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Russian Professor of Economics Believes U.S. Will Split into Six States

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From Russian news

From Pravda -


"Barack Obama may just win his place in history as the greatest con man of all time," the author said. "A hundred million people believed him and spent 600 million dollars to get him 'elected' to the highest office in America, without ever knowing if he is or is not eligible to even run as an American citizen. It is either amazing that he will pull it off or it is amazing that so many millions of people believed him."


An example - UW professor still under attack for beliefs.sm
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/local/index.php?ntid=90930&ntpid=1
Did you ever see the Arab professor speak about this? sm
It might help you to have an Arab point of view. All of you are making a huge mistake by not knowing the enemy and allowing yourself to be swept away by politics. This is so much bigger than politics.  Many of you have lost any objectivity and reality that you ever had to turn all your attention and your focus on hating Bush. 
And this woman is a professor of psychology. sm
It's a scary world we live in.  
We do. I know a Russian exchange student. Do
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Another Rope-A-Dope Opportunity for Russian President Medvedev

Quite apart from Obama already having been sucker-punched diplomatically by Putin and Medvedev (but apparently having learned nothing from it), and having absolutely no confidence that the Russians will be honest brokers anyway, I hope Obama leaves us enough nukes to deal with Iran and North Korea - and whatever rogue countries they sell their missiles to.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/31/russia-agree-start-talks-seek-reduce-nuclear-arms/


It has never been a winning strategy to deal with regimes like these from a position of reduced strength.  Never.  Ever.


 


 


I have no doubt, we have a split
board. Someone loves arguments and has a heck of a lot of time on her hands. She is never here all at one time, if you watch closely. Uses one moniker to try to sound decent, and multiple others to incite arguing. Let's try ignoring and maybe it will go away.
Not to split hairs,

which you KNOW I would never do.  But having just completed my tax return, I remember seeing stuff about ensuring 'voluntary compliance' and still I feel very legally compelled to go along with it.  Voluntary compliance means they don't send a goon to each and every taxpayer's house to make them file at gunpoint, but that does not make it a willing compliance. 


Hi, I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you.


Arabs Split Over Saddam





Arabs Split Over Saddam

Wednesday, October 19, 2005








CAIRO, Egypt  — Across the Arab world, some watched intently as Saddam Hussein (search) went on trial Wednesday for crimes against Iraqis but others seemed not to care — a sign the former Iraqi leader still divides this region two years after his fall.


The region's influential satellite television networks, Al-Jazeera (search) and Al-Arabiya (search), carried nonstop coverage starting hours before the trial began. Pan-Arab dailies like al-Hayat also splashed the opening day on their front pages.


But Saudi Arabia's Arabic language-daily Al-Watan used the headline: Saddam's Trial: No one cares and added: The curtains have opened, the cast is ready and the audience is busy with other issues ... Even if we concede that the majority of Iraqis hate Saddam, they also hate how things have developed.


Yet in Kuwait, which Saddam invaded in 1990, feelings in support of the trial ran strong.


We have been waiting for this trial for a long time — not only us, but the Iraqi people and Iranian people as well. We say this is the end of every oppressor, said Omar Al-Murad, a 43-year-old architect.


Many Palestinians also watched closely, but with the opposite view.


Weal Naser, a 42-year-old Palestinian owner of a Gaza vegetable shop, said Palestinians can never forget Saddam's past support for their cause. At the start of the Palestinian uprising against Israel, Saddam paid $15,000 to families of Palestinian suicide bombers, later raising it to $25,000.


He supported the martyrs' families and he helped many students in Palestine or during their studies in Iraq, he said.


Saddam is paying now the price for being a hero, for saying 'No' to America and to (President) Bush, Naser said.


If the world wants justice, as they claim, they should bring Bush and (Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon to trial before Saddam.


Palestinian taxi driver Saed Souror, 32, was more ambivalent about Saddam but equally critical of the trial.


I am not a Saddam supporter, but I am against this trial because it came upon American orders, Souror said. If Saddam was a murderer, what can we call the American acts there?


Egypt's state-owned press chose to mostly ignore the trial, with a few carrying small stories inside but none putting it on the front page.


Jordan's media reported on Saddam's trial but provided no independent commentary or analysis, apparently to avoid stirring public anger already high because of opposition to the U.S. invasion.


A columnist in respected pan-Arab newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat said the trial has lost much of its meaning because of the bloody insurgency that now attacks Iraqis daily. Some of the worst terror attacks are blamed on al-Qaida in Iraq, led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.


It should have been held when Iraqis' memory was full of images of humiliation and that of tens of thousands of the victims and handicapped of the wars, Lebanese columnist Samir Attallah wrote.


Instead, he added: Al-Zarqawi has erased from the minds and hearts all the past horrors. Innocent Iraqis used to die in prison and in their homes, now the occupation resistance is killing the Iraqi innocents and their children in the streets.


In Dubai, the Gulf News paper said in an editorial that not just Saddam, but Iraq itself is on trial, to see whether its new government can rise to the occasion and give Saddam a fair hearing.


Anything less will be a permanent scar upon Iraq and its future, the paper said.


You better hope he does split the vote...
because that is the ONLY way Billary will get elected.

And oh...by the way...if Ron Paul IS elected and Republicans get back a majority in COngress....your little gravy train is going to derail big time.

One can only hope.
And if one wants to split a rather large hair....
Barry from Chicago must be a war monger too because he said we belonged in Afghanistan, has always said so, and has expanded our operations there. Soooo....I guess that makes him a war monger too? Or Iraq is the only war that counts in the war monger equation...?
Republicans split with Bush on ports...sm
Republicans Split With Bush on Ports

White House Vows to Brief Lawmakers On Deal With Firm Run by Arab State

By Jim VandeHei and Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, February 23, 2006; Page A01

Faced with an unprecedented Republican revolt over national security, the White House disclosed yesterday that President Bush was unaware of a Middle Eastern company's planned takeover of operations at six U.S. seaports until recent days and promised to brief members of Congress more fully on the pending deal.

One day after threatening to veto any attempt by Congress to scuttle the controversial $6.8 billion deal, Bush sounded a more conciliatory tone by saying lawmakers should have been given more details about a state-owned company in the United Arab Emirates purchasing some terminal operations in Baltimore and five other U.S. cities.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/22/AR2006022201609.html?referrer=email


Economics 101...

http://ca.youtube.com/user/weneedmccain


This video explains Obama's economic policies better than I can...


Economics is where it's at.
The subject needs to be changed back to the economy from the anger-tapping, fear-mongering hate fest the McCain camp seems stuck in lately. I think that denial and dismay (not understanding) does keep people from "going there," but this dialog has to start someplace.

In strictly political terms, concepts (some old, some new) such as regulation/deregulation, corporate greed/corruption, anti-trust initiatives vs laissez faire economics, shrinking/disappearing middle class, free trade market conditions/jobs outsourcing and the like come into play. On a more cultural level, consumption economics/consumerism, class disparities in terms of education, healthcare, income, wealth distribution, class and race, isolationist international policies and practices and imperialist perceptions (both national and international) are of issue as well.

Ultimately, it boils down to how we see ourselves now and in the future in terms of national identity. Who are we now? Who do we want to be? How far have we strayed from the founding fathers' ideals. Does it matter? Where do we go from here? What do we want our future to look like. What kind of a world do we want our children and their children to inherit?
I watch Daily Show & O'Reilly and split the difference! NM
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You need to understand economics
When McCain talks tax cuts for corporations you people go ballistic. You obviously don't understand the principles behind this, while on the other hand, Obama wants to tax the snot out of them and us.

Corporations have left this country because they can go to other countries that don't tax the snot out of them and they hire THEIR workers. Duh! Get a clue! They even get exempt from taxes in countries that are taking your jobs. Well it doesn't take an expert to figure out you go where you don't pay taxes and can hire people who are forcing unions and junk down your throat, thereby hiring more people.

Obama's taxing the crap out of everybody will continue to PUSH corporations overseas and if you think there aren't any jobs now, you just wait. You'll be lucky to find a hamburger joint that will hire you. Obama wants to tax tax tax EVERYBODY, corporations and you, to pay for all his social programs. Do you not understand what socialism is. Maybe you do and just do not care that you and your country are being sold down the river. Yes, spreading the wealth does necessarily mean enriching some at the expense of others.....that is what socialism is! National wealth is where you are deceived...that would be called government wealth, bigger government, bigger government wealth. You won't be seeing a penny of it.

If you had any clue what it is to run a business, you would be singing a different tune. The companies that have stayed here are being taxed to death already to the point they have to let people go. Those hard-working, bill-paying, nose to the grindstone folks better get a clue because they will be doing not only more of the same, but seeing less money for their hard work on Obama's plan.

Who the heck do you think pays for all the welfare roll now? Mostly the wealthy. Use some common sense, please. The more you make, the more you are taxed. It obviously bears repeating......have you ever seen a poor person giving you a job?

I am amazed at those bitter people who seem to think those that have done very well financially for themselves should be treated and ostricized as if they are bad people, loathsome individuals. Why? Just because you don't have it? If yo did, you would be singing a different tune and would be bothered by someone thinking they had the right to your money to give to those who already live off you free. I don't want the control of national wealth in more hands.

It may not sound great to hear, but you want more money in the hands of people who already don't know how to watch their dollars or how to save? I don't!!
Why do I want to give them more. Those in need do get a lot of help in this community. They get fed very well, their children get clothed very well, they get free healthcare, free everything. None of them are going hungry but I can guarantee you if you keep falling for this Obama "pie in the sky" attitude, you will be hurting big time.

If people would quit living beyond their means and learn to save their money for a rainy day, they wouldn't have so much to gripe about in the first place and all this credit garbage wouldn't be happening. Lets not hold any individuals responsible for any of this....just the hated rich.

I don't want to pay a mortage for anyone who had no business buying a house in the first place or a car or anything else on credit. They knew they couldn't afford it and still didn't care. Now they want to be given more handouts. Not on my dime.

I will help anyone who has fallen on hard times through no fault of their own but do not tell me I have to pay for those greedy people who don't have a clue about saving. All that want is to spend spend spend and then cry "foul" when they don't have it anymore.




Trickle down economics
didn't work under Reagan and it won't work under McCain.  Ever consider water doesn't run uphill?
Economics I can understand

Finally - someone who can describe what's going on/happening that I can understand.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djgH9wA-JSU


 


 


 


You really don't understand economics, do you?

The poster is correct. I don't know why you insist on living in a dream world. I used to respect your comments but I see you really don't understand how supply and emand and/or government really works.


You think everything is a joke. Well, are you going to be laughing when taxes are so high you have a choice to eat or pay taxes?


Are you going to laugh when the country is broke (whopps - that has already happened) and they can't even guarantee FDIC backing for any money you have in the back or IRAs?


Are you going to laugh when other countries commit terrorist attacks on our country; i.e., N. Korea, Iran, etc.?


Are you going to laugh when this country finally crosses into fascism whereas you will seriously have no rights?


Keep laughing BB. The joke will be on you sooner or later, as the country slowly goes down the tubes unless you start boning up on the reality happening right under your nose and start fighting against it.


 


only want to talk economics part of this - nm
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Economics 101: Capitalism vs. Socialism

There are many different ideas or systems of how an economy should be run. The two most common are capitalism and socialism. They are very different in how they view who runs the economy. Most economies have ideas from both systems, but tend to be more of one than the other.


Capitalism is the economic system based on private or corporate ownership of, production and distribution of goods. It has always existed to some extent in all civilizations but was written about formally by Adam Smith in his book "The Wealth of Nations" in 1776. Capitalists favor a system of free enterprise which means the government should not interfere in the economy - that the laws of supply and demand will make sure that the ecnomy runs most efficiently in meeting people's needs. Capitalism is characterized by competition in which there is rivalry in supplying or getting an economic service or good. Sellers compete with other sellers, and buyers with other buyers. The buyers seek the best possible deal in purchasing goods and the sellers look to make the best possible sale allowing them the most profit.


Socialism is an economic theory or idea that states that the government or the state should be in charge of economic planning, production and distribution of goods. This contrasts with capitalism where free markets predonimate and property is privately owned. Socielism tends to favor cooperation whereas capitalism is characterized by competition.


The theories of socialism first arose in the late eighteenth century in response to the Industrial Revolution where factory owners were becoming wealthy and the workers impoverished. Thus, workers wanted a greater share in the wealth that factories were making. Later a form of socialism called communism sprang up based on the writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Communism advocates class struggle and revolution to establish a society of cooperation with strong government control. Communism predominated in the former Soviet Union and much of Eastern Europe at one time. Today it predominates in China and Cuba, but its influence has lessened.


http://www.mcwdn.org/ECONOMICS/CapSoc.html


Our economy is related to world economics
which IS part of foreign policy.  Geez, can't get your head around that?
This statement shows ignorance of basic economics
You are misinformed to such an extent that it makes you unable to recognize your own best interests. If you candidate wins, look for your profession to decline by leaps and bounds, if it survives at all.
Well, we all know the old "trickle-down economics" of the past admnistrations has not worked,
ever more greed, and then the removal of the banking regulations really set up the rest of the debacle. The President is fighting a GOLIATH here when it comes to all the problems he has INHERITED, we should pray for his wisdom, strength, and security, and at least he is acknowledging short-falls and problems, trying to reach out to both parties, and trying to ACCOMPLISH something real and LASTING for this country, all Bush could do was give checques away, which was supposed to be a quick "shot in the arm" the for economy, but he did not open his eyes to see that when middle to low income families are living in debth and cannot pay for anything, that they are going to pay bill and save some of their money, not go out and buy more cars, TVs, other big ticket items, as he thought. Good solid work programs was what put the country back on its feet back during the Great Depression, it is not a "quick" fix, but a lsting one that reaches into multi levels of the ecomony, the worker, small businesses, etc. Lets's PLEASE give the President a chance beyond his first week!
If he believes what you just said, then no
The Federal Reserve IS the reason for this problem and has been the same problem each and every time this country has seen economic downfall, all because of banks and reserves. Please take the time to watch this and it will help you understand.......this is a wake up call for why government SHOULD NOT EVER be this big

Have you EVER known the government to do anything worthwhile with your money, and now this????

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-466210540567002553





If he believes that, then YUP.... his is
... that the U.S. is turning into an armpit. Makes me wonder which other country in the world will eventually take us over. (If anyone would even WANT TO, that is.)
So anyone that believes in God does not have
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Uh huh. Like anyone here believes you -
And yes, you ARE wasting your time here.
LOL! She believes she can do anything ugly she wants because she

wraps herself up in the Bible and Jesus is her *special friend* and just gives her a wink and a nod every time she does something heinous.  At least that's what she herself said in a post not long ago.  (Aggressive denial by her to follow, I'm sure, like she lies about everything else.)


It's obvious that none of these people have Jesus in their hearts because there's no room for love and peace and truth in those jaded, hateful, dishonest, angry people.  I wonder if they even have a hint of how laughable they really are!  LOL! 


Okay...if he really believes this "stuff" why does he not...
lead by example and conserve...he lives in a house the size of a small town in some countries. He uses more electricity than 4 or 5 households. I don't know what he drives, but I do know that every time he flies coast to coast he puts more emissions in the atmosphere than someone driving a HUMMER for TWO YEARS. And he does that how many times a month??? Geez. I am sure you mean well, but...if he is really so interested in saving this beautiful planet...he should be the FIRST to conserve. THis is his job now. It is all about the money.
I realize that not everyone believes the same

And sorry to offend you but in fact the poster is a fanatic, in my opinion.


Also, it's not a FACT that Palin is a fanatic; she is a Christian.  You call her a fanatic, your opinion.


Well, I happen to be one who believes
God has a sense of humor.  After all He created us didn't He?  Yeah, I "profess" to be a Christian but I take a pretty dim view of self-righteous "Christians" who question other's opinions and thoughts that don't fit into their definition of "Christian."  Christian = "one who follows Christ" or tries to in my case.  I am not perfect but I'm not the one to tell you that you "profess" to be a Christian.  Maybe you are,  maybe you aren't, I don't know.
Don't give a fig who believes it or not.
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He believes in abortion. NM below
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but I'm sure the vast majority believes
that life begins at conception, however, I know I'm not going to change your mind, so I'll leave it at that.
Half of U.S. still believes Iraq had WMD
Half of U.S. still believes Iraq had WMD

By CHARLES J. HANLEY, AP Special Correspondent Sun Aug 6, 7:43 PM ET

Do you believe in Iraqi WMD? Did
Saddam Hussein's government have weapons of mass destruction in 2003?


Half of America apparently still thinks so, a new poll finds, and experts see a raft of reasons why: a drumbeat of voices from talk radio to die-hard bloggers to the Oval Office, a surprise headline here or there, a rallying around a partisan flag, and a growing need for people, in their own minds, to justify the war in
Iraq.

People tend to become independent of reality in these circumstances, says opinion analyst Steven Kull.

The reality in this case is that after a 16-month, $900-million-plus investigation, the U.S. weapons hunters known as the Iraq Survey Group declared that Iraq had dismantled its chemical, biological and nuclear arms programs in 1991 under U.N. oversight. That finding in 2004 reaffirmed the work of U.N. inspectors who in 2002-03 found no trace of banned arsenals in Iraq.

Despite this, a Harris Poll released July 21 found that a full 50 percent of U.S. respondents — up from 36 percent last year — said they believe Iraq did have the forbidden arms when U.S. troops invaded in March 2003, an attack whose stated purpose was elimination of supposed WMD. Other polls also have found an enduring American faith in the WMD story.

I'm flabbergasted, said Michael Massing, a media critic whose writings dissected the largely unquestioning U.S. news reporting on the Bush administration's shaky WMD claims in 2002-03.

This finding just has to cause despair among those of us who hope for an informed public able to draw reasonable conclusions based on evidence, Massing said.
I don't see where anyone believes Bush has done no wrong
It's the fact that several of us don't believe he is the cause of all the suffering in the world like many of you here do. Some of us are not blinded by Bush hatred nor are we Bush loyalists to the point where we think he's done everything right. I believe several of the *crashers* on this board have said that, but you refused to either read the body of their posts or believe what they say.
Oops! Don't say Amen - not everyone believes the same!
=)
She used the quote because she believes the words....
This Pegler fellow used it when Harry Truman was elected: When Truman came into the Presidency, Pegler welcomed him "We grow good people in our towns, with honesty, sincerity and dignity." But earlier, Pegler had told his readers the man from Missouri was someone to watch out for "This Truman", he wrote, when Harry was nominated for Vice President "is thin-lipped, a hater, and not above offering you his hand to yank you off balance and work you over with a chair leg, a pool cue or something out of his pocket."

Sounds like politics to me. However, the sentiments are true. We DO grow good people in our towns, with honesty, sincerity and dignity.
The poster probably believes what Hollywood says
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Well anyone who believes that garbage deserves
And the greatest majority of those come with NO NAME....false names, names they can't even identify the source. Wanna guess where they really are coming from?
Maybe Senator Obama believes in following the

"First Admendment" to the Constitution of the United States.


My sister believes this stuff
My sister's church tells her this stuff to scare her and get her tithe. Let me tell you in the 80s she was no saint. It makes me feel bad for her that her church makes her so afraid and discourages her from thinking for herself.
Michael Steele..Does he even know what he believes? (sm)
Michael "Zelig" Steele


In 1983, Woody Allen made the mockumentary film Zelig about a man who longs for approval so badly that he changes to fit the people who are surrounding him. The movie may as well have been written about Michael Steele, who continues to tie himself in knots as part of his effort to reach out to moderates.


Steele already has been ridiculed by all sides of the political spectrum for blasting Rush Limbaugh on CNN only to apologize when he received blowback. But now, via Matt Lewis, I see he told GQ that he believes abortion is an individual choice. Here's the portion of the interview:



How much of your pro-life stance, for you, is informed not just by your Catholic faith but by the fact that you were adopted?


Oh, a lot. Absolutely. I see the power of life in that—I mean, and the power of choice! The thing to keep in mind about it… Uh, you know, I think as a country we get off on these misguided conversations that throw around terms that really misrepresent truth.


Explain that.
The choice issue cuts two ways. You can choose life, or you can choose abortion. You know, my mother chose life. So, you know, I think the power of the argument of choice boils down to stating a case for one or the other.


Are you saying you think women have the right to choose abortion?
Yeah. I mean, again, I think that’s an individual choice.


You do?
Yeah. Absolutely.


So basically, in an effort to seem more inclusive, Steele tried to appropriate the language of the left by saying life is a choice, but then he allowed himself to be backed into a corner in which he said that women have the right to choose abortion -- by definition, a pro-choice postion. Perhaps realizing what he had just said, Steele then tried to add nuance to his point:



Are you saying you don’t want to overturn Roe v. Wade?
I think Roe v. Wade—as a legal matter, Roe v. Wade was a wrongly decided matter.


Okay, but if you overturn Roe v. Wade, how do women have the choice you just said they should have?
The states should make that choice. That’s what the choice is. The individual choice rests in the states. Let them decide.


Do pro-choicers have a place in the Republican Party?
Absolutely!


So, after getting boxed in, he suddenly shifts from "individual choice" meaning "women have the right to choose an abortion" to it meaning that states have an "individual choice" about whether or not to permit women to exercise choice. Liz Mair, charitably, thinks that Steele was trying to express the pro-choice, anti-Roe, position but that he just was clumsy about it. Even if that were the case, however, it wouldn't be consistent with other recent statements he made on the subject.  


In December, when he was under fire during the RNC race for being a member of Christine Todd Whitman's moderate Republican Leadership Council, he portrayed himself as emphatically pro-life to CBN's David Brody, barbing, "I was a monk for goodness sakes ok?" Appearing on Fox News Sunday after his election to serve as RNC chair, Steele declared, "I'm a pro-life Roman Catholic conservative, always have been."


In a debate moderated by Tim Russert during the 2006 U.S. Senate race in Maryland, Steele was all over the place on Roe. Check out the following exchange:



MR. RUSSERT: Would, would you encourage — would you hope the U.S. Supreme Court overturns Roe vs. Wade?


LT. GOV. STEELE: I think that that’s a matter that’s going to rightly belong to the courts to decide ultimately whether or not that, that issue should be addressed. The, the Court has taken a position, which I agree, stare decisis, which means that the law is as it is and, and so this is a matter that’s ultimately going to be adjudicated at the states. We’re seeing that. The states are beginning to decide for themselves on, on this and a host of other issues. And the Supreme Court would ultimately decide that.


MR. RUSSERT: But you hope that the Court keeps Roe v. Wade in place?


LT. GOV. STEELE: I think the Court will evaluate the law as society progresses, as the Court is supposed to do.


MR. RUSSERT: But what’s your position? Do you want them to sustain it or overturn it?


LT. GOV. STEELE: Well, I think, I think, I think Roe vs. Wade, Roe vs. Wade is a, is a matter that


should’ve been left to the states to decide, ultimately. But it, it is where it is today, and the courts will ultimately decide whether or not this, this gets addressed by the states, goes back to the states in some form or they overturn it outright.


MR. RUSSERT: Is is your desire to keep it in place?


LT. GOV. STEELE: My desire is that we follow what stare decisis is at this point, yes.


Huh?


The problem with Steele's defenders is that they like the idea of Steele -- i.e., the idea that Steele is going to reach out to moderates. But the reality of Steele is quite different. He is proving himself to be a shape shifter who is trying to please everybody, but in the end delivering a completely muddled message. Ultimately no pro-choice independent or Democrat is going to be more inclined to become a Republican as a result of that GQ interview, because Steele comes off like a bumbling clown who is trying to have it both ways. The mere fact that we have to have a whole debate over what he means demonstrates that he's doing a terrible job at communicating. And lest we forget, communication was supposed to be his strong suit.


http://spectator.org/blog/2009/03/11/michael-zelig-steele


Obama truly believes he is "the one". McCain would
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I am interested why any of us should know his personal reasons for EVERYTHING he believes in? sm
It does seem that President Obama is now under a microscope and every tiny minute aspect of his life, any beliefs he holds, are scrutinize for a NEFARIOUS HIDDEN MEANING? yes, perhaps it is a religious belief, I have a close girlfriend who was born Catholic and has been a Jehovah Witness for several years, but is that wrong? The focus of their lives, their spending, etc., is around Our Savior and they minimize celebrations of self, as I understand. Would that be bad or evil in some way? I have been silently reading this board since the primaries first started, and it seems that ever since Mr. Obama became a frontrunner, candidate, and finally president, people are picking apart EVERY SINGLE area of his life. Why? Would anyone want to live under this scrutiny? Why not just pray for him he has a HUGE job ahead of him that I personally would never want, judge him by his policies, his intentions for this country, the way he represents our country, for his proposals and hard work, but not his personal beliefs which should be private, as my religion is to me. What's next, analyzing his favorite color for hidden meaning? I am really praying hard for a successful and safe presidency.
Palin believes teaching abstinence only is the thing to do - nm
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What makes you think that everyone who believes in Jesus grew up in the church?
I most definitely did not, and it is an absolute MIRACLE that I even came to the Lord. My parents are as far from Christ as can be. I literally came to Christ "kicking and screaming". I did not want to believe in him. Mostly because I did not want to have to follow HIS rules. But I am here, and I am saved, and I thank God that I am! It is the best thing to ever happen to my SOUL.


And half the country believes this....good grief....nm

From point #1: "Anyone who believes otherwise is a tin-foil hat fringe conspiracist."
Ah, those pinko lefty Presbyterians!!! They hate America,are unpatriotic, traitorous, out-of-touch, terrorists....did I forget anything?

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20060814&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=608140369&SectionCat=&Template=printart



Monday, August 14, 2006

9/11 book from church publishing house causes uproar
Author claims U.S. orchestrated attacks
By Peter Smith
psmith@courier-journal.com
The Courier-Journal


By Peter Smith
psmith@courier-journal.com
The Courier-Journal



The official publishing house of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) has printed a new book about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that has outraged conservatives in the church and elsewhere.

The book, Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11, written by David Ray Griffin, a professor emeritus at Claremont School of Theology in California, accuses the Bush administration of carrying out the attacks as a pretext for expanding America's demonic imperial power.

Griffin argues, among other things, that the World Trade Center towers collapsed because of secretly planted explosives -- he quotes eyewitnesses who claim that's what it looked and sounded like -- and not because airliners crashed into the buildings, causing fires.

Writers on conservative Presbyterian Web sites have been responding by saying officials of the Louisville-based denomination are out of touch with members and by calling for a boycott of Presbyterian Publishing Corp.

The corporation funds itself from book sales and has editorial independence in deciding what to publish, although its board is elected by the denomination's legislative General Assembly.

But as word of the book spreads, some Presbyterians lament that it comes as the 2.3 million-member denomination struggles with financial troubles, declining membership and a controversial General Assembly vote to open the door to ordaining gays.

It is sad that at this time in the life of our denomination, yet another silly and inflammatory step would be taken by the church's bureaucracy, said the Rev. Michael Walker, executive director of Presbyterians for Renewal, a conservative group based in Louisville.

The Rev. Parker Williamson of the North Carolina-based Presbyterian Lay Committee asked how these wild accusations make it through the editorial process.

Davis Perkins, president of the publishing company, said the book's stances are not those of the corporation or of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.).

But in recent written statements, he defended the decision to publish the book, saying it is not an off-the-wall polemic but rather a considered work with 49 pages of extensive scholarly notes.

Perkins said Griffin's claims will not be universally accepted by his readers, but the arguments supporting those claims merit careful consideration by serious-minded Christians and Americans concerned with truth and the meaning of their faith.

The publisher would not say how many of the 7,500 copies of the book have been sold since its publication last month.

The book was published under the corporation's prestigious Westminster John Knox imprint, which produces works on theology and popular spirituality from a range of scholars, including liberal and evangelical Christians and also Jews. It also produces popular works such as The Gospel According to The Simpsons.

But Perkins said such works haven't stirred controversy over whether they reflect the church's official position.

Publishing a range of views is what academic/trade publishers do, he said. The corporation publishes specifically Presbyterian works under a separate imprint, Geneva Press.

Griffin is part of a wider movement whose books and Web sites challenge the official version of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001. Similar claims by University of Wisconsin-Madison instructor Kevin Barrett have brought calls for him to be fired.

In his book, Griffin claims that the U.S. military could have intercepted the four hijacked jets if it had wanted to and that the hijacker accused of slamming an airliner into the Pentagon lacked the flying skills to do so.

Griffin calls on Christians to oppose the Bush administration's foreign policy, just as ancient Christians opposed the Roman Empire. He said that although he doesn't believe in literal evil spirits, such empires have demonic power to do great harm.

Our first allegiance must be to God, he writes. … If we believe that our political and military leaders are acting on the basis of policies that are diametrically opposed to divine purposes, it is incumbent upon us to say so.

Griffin is a member of another Protestant denomination, the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). The Presbyterian Publishing Corp. has published several of his books on theology.

Griffin said in an interview last week that for the first year and a half after Sept. 11, he believed the attacks simply were carried out by Arab terrorists angry about American foreign policy. I didn't think … even the Bush administration would do such a thing, he said.

But skeptics of the widely accepted accounts convinced him that the attacks were an inside job used to justify the administration's expansion of military powers and the adoption of the doctrine of pre-emptive war, the basis of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Griffin has written two previous books on this theme under different publishers. The third book seeks to rally church groups into challenging the official accounts.

Griffin said he's heard the recent criticisms from Presbyterians but not from anybody who's actually read the book.

It's remarkable how certain people can be that this idea is wrong, he said.

Reporter Peter Smith can be reached at (502) 582-4469.

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