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True to their newest stand, right wing blogger smears family of murdered soldier.
Predictably, falling right in line with Tony Snow and his *2,500 is a number* statement on June 15, followed one day later by the fiercely *patriotic* Rush *I'dLoveToServeMyCountryButCan'tBecauseOfThisPimpleOnMyButt* Limbaugh, reminding them that aborted fetuses are more important than murdered American soldiers (as was posted on the *other* board on June 16), all the while publicly declaring that all liberals who post on this board don't care about our troops. *Profound* indeed.
http://www.prospect.org/horsesmouth/2006/06/post_134.html#002858
The Horse's Mouth
A blog about the reporting of politics -- and the politics of reporting. By Greg Sargent
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WINGNUT JOHN HINDERAKER SMEARS DEAD SOLDIER'S UNCLE. A couple of minutes ago I came across this Associated Press story saying that the uncle of Kristian Menchaca -- one of the U.S. soldiers who was missing and is now said to be dead -- criticized the United States for Menchaca's disappearance and death. My first thought was to do a post asking how long it would take before the wingnuts started smearing the grief-stricken uncle.
Alas, I'm too late. Over at Powerline Blog, John Hinderaker has already cranked up the slime machine and let fly:
In a sick coda, Menchaca's uncle, Ken MacKenzie, appeared on the Today show and recited weirdly inapplicable Democratic Party talking points in relation to his own nephew's death...No shame.
I've asked this before, but what is it about the relatives of people killed by terrorists that these wingnuts hate so much? Recall that Ann Coulter smeared the widows of 9/11 victims and that many righty bloggers smeared the father of Nick Berg, who was beheaded in Iraq. Their sin, of course, was that they criticized America and George Bush.
Let me put this as clearly as I can: To the likes of Hinderaker, the pain of those who lost loved ones to this war only matters to the extent that the bereaved allow their grief to be used to prop up the war effort and Bush himself. If the bereaved relatives don't allow their grief to be used in this fashion, their sacrifice and loss no longer matter a whit -- they're not to be pitied or empathized with, but scorned and humiliated as brutally as possible. Despicable.
--Greg Sargent
Yeah, TOTALLY unbiased. whooeee... Can't stand this shrew!
That's an Iraqi soldier - not US soldier.
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letter from a soldier
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, if you are given this story DO NOT REENLIST!
From: aaronb
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:42 PM
To: soldiers@michaelmoore.com
Subject: army con artist
Mr. Moore,
I would like to start by saying that I think what you are doing for the troops is probably the most supportive thing any one human being could do during this troubled time. I would like to tell you my story, and I hope that it can help other soldiers in my position.
I am a specialist in the US Army, I have served four years on active duty, and I am separating from the service later this month. Earlier this year my wife and I had a baby girl. Unfortunately, she was diagnosed with cystic fibrosis, which is a genetic disease which affects the lungs. Her life expectancy is about 30 years old. When she was born she required surgery which kept her in the hospital for about a month. As you can probably imagine, this was quite expensive. I wasn't worried about paying for it because I assumed military insurance (TRICARE) would cover it. I went along with that assumption for the next few months, but about 2 weeks before I was scheduled to ETS, I made a routine trip to the tricare office at the base hospital. When I arrived there and showed them an outstanding bill from the hospital where my daughter had the surgery, which showed an outstanding balance of 127,000 dollars, I was informed that that bill must be paid by me personally because I was required to pay 20% of any medical bill from any hospital or clinic not in the military system. When I asked the clerk what my options were for payment, she informed me that I either pay the bill in full, or reenlist and the bill would be paid for by the army. I couldn't believe what I was hearing, so I left the office without saying another word, went home, and called the 1 800 number for tricare. The representative assured me that the clerks statements were entirely false and that my insurance policy had a catastrophic cap of 1000 dollars. While I have no proof, I believe that the clerk from the office at the hospital (who was a civilian) was receiving some type of payment to try and con soldiers with exceptional family members into reenlisting. I am considering obtaining legal counsel on this matter, but I doubt I have a case. I just wanted to write this to make sure it never happens to anyone else. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, if you are given this story DO NOT REENLIST! Contact the tricare hotline before doing anything based on what you are told. I hope that this has not happened to anyone else, but I fear that is not true.
Thank you for your help,
A soldier for peace
At least one soldier doesn't
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June 06, 2006
Lieutenant defies Army over ‘illegal’ war
By William Cole
The Honolulu Advertiser
In one of the first known cases of its kind, an Army officer from Honolulu is expected to refuse to go to Iraq this month with his unit, citing what he calls the “illegal” and “immoral” basis of the war, his father confirmed.
The officer, 1st Lt. Ehren K. Watada, 28, son of former state campaign spending commission executive director Bob Watada, is believed to be one of the first military officers to publicly take steps to refuse his deployment orders.
“My son has a great deal of courage, and clearly understands what is right, and what is wrong,” Bob Watada said yesterday. “He’s choosing to do the right thing, which is a hard course.”
Watada declined further comment until a news conference planned for 11 a.m. tomorrow at the state Capitol. His son is with a Stryker unit out of Fort Lewis, Wash., and is expected to participate by teleconference.
Jeff Paterson, a former Kaneohe Bay Marine who refused to board a transport in 1990 heading to the Gulf War and now works as an anti-war activist with the organization Not In Our Name, said a second news conference will be held in Tacoma, Wash.
On a Web site Paterson said was created by friends and family, the “Lt.” is quoted as saying: “I refuse to be silent any longer. I refuse to watch families torn apart, while the President tells us to ‘stay the course.’ ... I refuse to be party to an illegal and immoral war against people who did nothing to deserve our aggression. I wanted to be there for my fellow troops. But the best way was not to help drop artillery and cause more death and destruction. It is to help oppose this war and end it so that all soldiers can come home.”
Ehren Watada apparently sought in January to resign his commission, and later asked again and was denied.
Watada, who is not seeking conscientious objector status, but rather has moral objections to the Iraq war, faces the possibility of a court-martial, dishonorable discharge and several years in prison if he refuses the war orders.
According to the GI Rights Hotline, a conscientious objector has a deeply held moral, ethical or religious belief that it is wrong to kill another human being in war.
Some service members discover that opposition after joining the military, and are discharged, the organization said.
Watada doesn’t qualify as a conscientious objector because he does not oppose all wars.
Watada graduated from Hawaii Pacific University in 2003, joined the Army shortly after, went to Officer Candidate School, and incurred a three-year obligation.
The Hawaii man is with the 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry, at Fort Lewis. The unit is part of a larger 3,600-soldier Stryker brigade combat team similar to a unit being developed in Hawaii with about 300 eight-wheeled armored vehicles.
The Fort Lewis brigade is heading to Mosul in northern Iraq, and the soldiers are expected to leave this month and into July.
At a farewell ceremony on Friday, I Corps and Fort Lewis commander Lt. Gen. James Dubik, a former Schofield Barracks commander, said that of 299 million people in the United States, only 2.3 million serve in uniform to defend the nation, the Olympian newspaper reported.
“Less than 1 percent of the nation is carrying 100 percent of the burden of this war,” Dubik said.
But in a sign of increased opposition to the three-year-old Iraq war, anti-war activists demonstrated at the Port of Olympia after Stryker vehicles drove there for shipment, the Olympian reported.
Police used pepper spray on about 100 activists, and 22 people were arrested in one of the more volatile confrontations, the newspaper said.
Paterson, 38, who in 1990 alleged that the Gulf War was about profits and oil in the Middle East and sat down on the tarmac at Kaneohe Bay instead of boarding a transport, said he’s not sure of the number of Iraq or Afghanistan war objectors.
Cases that resulted in court-martial include a Navy sailor sentenced to three months of hard labor for refusing to board a ship headed to the Persian Gulf, a specialist in the National Guard given 120 days in a stand against fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a soldier sentenced to 15 months for refusing to deploy to Iraq a second time.
Robert Arakaki, the 83-year-old president of the 100th Infantry Battalion Veterans group, who saw combat in Italy in 1945, yesterday said Watada “owes the country a lot.”
There “should be some kind of good explanation” for why Watada wants out, he said, and Arakaki takes issue with claims of an immoral and illegal war.
“Who determines what is legal or illegal? Him or our government? Not him,” Arakaki said.
Retired Navy Cmdr. Jack Miller, past president of the Hawaii chapter of the Military Officers Association of America, said “there’s always been the problem of following orders. This time is no different.”
“Being a Vietnam veteran, we went through this,” said Miller, 72. “The rest of the load had to be shared by those willing to follow orders and serve their country.”
Dependable, loyal officers are needed, and “if one doesn’t fit that qualification, a bad apple will contaminate the barrel. He (Watada) should be punished in some way,” Miller said. “You don’t want someone over there in Iraq who’s not going to willingly follow orders. That’s dangerous.”
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Letter from a soldier
Here is an email I received from my cousin. Thought it interesting enough to put up here. It is a letter written by a soldier in Afghanistan.
Hello everyone,
As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to “The War Zone”. I wanted to share with you what happened.
He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.
As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General.
As he finished, the vehicles took him to the Clam Shell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.
So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.
I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheer leaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States. I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.
If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.
In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier
American by birth
MARINE by the grace of God
Semper Fi
Tell it to the soldier's - see message
I'm posting what THEY say. This is their viewpoint. If you want to believe it is pointless you go tell them. Maybe people should fly over there and say "hey there soldier, what your doing is pointless". Meanwhile they can shout slurs at them like they did to the Vietnam war veterans when they came home. Why don't you tell the people who are fighting to help others (and there are many soldiers who believe in the cause they are fighting for) - you tell them they mean nothing.
How much more insulting can you be towards our soldiers who fight for freedom. The freedoms that many Americans take for granted. It seems people have such little regard for the people who put their lives on the line every day to help other countries and help the world be safer so we don't have a mass build up of more terrorist coming to this country and other countries. Tell it to them not me.
God bless this soldier............sm
and others just like him who have and are sacrificing so much.
When a soldier comes home...
Paste this link or follow the link at the bottom of the post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKdTUcZLSXw
Soldier's voicemail from Iraq
Hey all, just have a second today but I've been listening to the voicemails and reading the letters from a NG soldier in Iraq and I thought anyone who's interested might like to do the same - this is from a website a friend of the soldier has set up. For some reason it's just really grabbed me. I pray every day for this guy and his unit.
If you like you can listen to his voicemails (one of which was in response to Rove's speech the other day):
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Two more voicemails from Leonard
Bloged in Voicemail by leonard Saturday June 25, 2005
Today, 6/26/05, at 3:30am PST, Leonard left these two recordings. Note his comments on Karl Rove’s latest comments regarding “liberals” aiding “terrorists.” This is a “liberal” that is proud to be one, and he is strapping on armor every day to defend an occupation that was based off a lie. This is one “liberal” taking bullets for this administration.
Click here for the first voicemail today.
Click here for the second voicemail today.
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I'm sure the links won't work here but I post the particular date and note so you can find the messages directly on the website:
http://leonardclark.com/blog/
If you have some time give a listen to what he has to say! I have other friends and family in Iraq myself, but they are not allowed to say much in letters and E-mails and assume that all of it is being read and censored (they don't really mind this, in some cases it is understandable) - but Leonard calls directly and doesn't know how much longer they'll let him do so before they hush him up. IMHO, worth listening to him.
Again happy 4th to all.
Hey, Bush..soldier wants to ask you a few questions
Hey Bush: Specialist Young Would Also Like to Speak With You...
U.S. Army Specialist Tomas Young has some questions for George W. Bush. He's never met with the Commander-in-Chief who sent him into Sadr City, Iraq in a canvass covered truck during a massive uprising in that city on April 4, 2004. The same city on the same day that Cindy Sheehan's son Casey was killed.
Tomas was lucky. He was only paralyzed from the chest down. Amongst other things he'd like to ask of Bush, is why he won't allow funding for stem cell research which might eventually restore the spine that he lost in Bush's War. A spine which apparently Bush has never had.
Tomas and his new wife Bree (also pictured), came to Crawford from Kansas City on their honeymoon to stand in support of Cindy Sheehan.
I never met a soldier who didn't want a package.
Bringing them home does not enter into this. Yet AGAIN you cannot stop your political agenda long enough to think of just the troops. I know now it is impossible. We all want them home. ALL OF US. It's just that some us would like to make their lives as easy as possible while they are away, and SOME OF US WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
Well....buck up little soldier. I think the financial...
well being of the country trumps your party. Oh wait...what am I thinking.
Saw this on a blog, written by a soldier....sm
Apparently written in response to negative posts regarding our country, the election, the republicans, etc. I felt this soldier's viewpoint is very, very important.
I will tell you about America!! I have been a soldier. I have seen American men and women of all RACES and religions that courageously and proudly serve their country. Many of them made the ultimate sacrifice for their country with their lives. I read these comments putting down what these finest of Americans have done It makes me really ANGRY. These people that put our country down have NO appreciation of the freedoms that they have because of the sacrifice of these military heroes!!
I know that in America we have problems and although it has taken along time to fix many of these problems, we still FIX things. That is what Americans do. There have been racial problems but in 1862 there was slavery .A Christian republican president (Lincoln) issued the Emancipation Proclamation that ended the slavery and set our country on the road to racial equality. We are not entirely there yet but we have come a long way. It would have been impossible in years past for a black man like Obama to make 4million dollars a year not to mention actually run for president.
The capitalist system that he is trying to destroy has been really good to him.
I have been around the world and I have seen “civilized” socialist European countries that have a 6o% tax rate on the working class in order to “spread the wealth” and few personal freedoms. I have seen third world countries where one in three babies die due to water born disease. I have also seen American Christian organizations voluntarily drilling wells to help these people survive. I have seen Americans risking their lives to provide medical assistance to people that have no access.
When that enormous tsunami hit Indonesia, Who was there first??? America was there first. American Marines put down their weapons and began digging the out survivors as well as those who didn’t survive. Americans set up water purification units to provide safe drinking water, setting up field hospitals aiding the injured, setting up temporary housing for these victims and food services for the victims. America was there FIRST!!
I have seen countries where the middle class live in filthy squalor, with open sewers and trash in the streets, living under oppressive totalitarian regimes. I have seen communists that plunder, murder, rape and torture the very people that they are supposedly “liberating”.
You people who want to believe that America is so bad really don’t have a realistic view of the world. NOWHERE in the world do people have a higher standard of living due to our capitalist free market system. NOWHERE in the world do people have the personal rights that we have in America. NOBODY in the world puts so much effort in to helping other people, even some that are not very friendly to us. NOBODY matches our humanitarian worldwide efforts. Why do you think that so many people want to get to America????
You people that put America down should really open your eyes and take a good honest look at the rest of the world. You should also question the anti-American rantings of people like Mr. Ayers, Mr. Wright and those associated with them. If these people had spouted this stuff in 90% of
other countries, they would have been thrown in prison or would have wound up in an unmarked shallow grave somewhere. Instead Mr. Wright lives in a 1.2 million dollar home and Mr. Ayers is a professor in a prestigious university.
Again, only in AMERICA…..
WAKE UP AMERICA……WAKE UP!!!!
Try Googling Winter Soldier.
There's a whole other world just waiting for you to discover it that lays just beyond the horizon of the US mainstream media.
Thanks for splaining that to me. I wasn't aware of the soldier
killing fellow soldiers. The sign was disrespectful. But, if you think counterposting disrespect for disrespect solves anything go for it. Just proves both people were/are dead wrong.
This is like, he hit me, well he hit me too. HEHE.
The sicko who shot the army soldier
and murdered him justifies himself by saying it was not a murder; it was a justified killing....... Our liberal media has been so hush hush about the murder of this solider, maybe they think they same thing!! They sure have talked about the baby murderer's murder til I'm sick to death of hearing it!!!
Too bad Obama thought discussing the tiller murder was more important than mentioning a soldier's murder in THIS country due to a sicko islamic convert within our own country.... speaks volumes to me...
The sicko who shot the army soldier
and murdered him justifies himself by saying it was not a murder; it was a justified killing....... Our liberal media has been so hush hush about the murder of this solider, maybe they think they same thing!! They sure have talked about the baby murderer's murder til I'm sick to death of hearing it!!!
Too bad Obama thought discussing the tiller murder was more important than mentioning a soldier's murder in THIS country due to a sicko islamic convert within our own country.... speaks volumes to me...
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've said before that you're leaving, but you and your goons can't sta
We lost the first soldier from our small town here in Alabama this week, sm
and there was an article in yesterday's paper about a reverand who was going to protest at the ceremony, but due to community outrange I think this has been halted.
Say it ain't so....Family Upset Over Soldier's Body Arriving As Freight..sm
I hope this family is able to effect a change in this. This would be something worth quitting your job and marching for change. I'm heartbroken reading of the audacity of the military to ship a fallen soldier as freight. This has to be a mistake. Pinch me I'm dreaming...Democrat. 
Family Upset Over Soldier's Body Arriving As Freight
Bodies Sent To Families On Commercial Airliners
POSTED: 4:46 pm PST December 9, 2005
UPDATED: 10:19 am PST December 12, 2005
SAN DIEGO -- There's controversy over how the military is transporting the bodies of service members killed overseas, 10News reported.
A local family said fallen soldiers and Marines deserve better and that one would think our war heroes are being transported with dignity, care and respect. It said one would think upon arrival in their hometowns they are greeted with honor. But unfortunately, the family said that is just not the case.
Dead heroes are supposed to come home with their coffins draped with the American flag -- greeted by a color guard.
But in reality, many are arriving as freight on commercial airliners -- stuffed in the belly of a plane with suitcases and other cargo.
John Holley and his wife, Stacey, were stunned when they found out the body of their only child, Matthew John Holley, who died in Iraq last month, would be arriving at Lindbergh Field as freight.
Matthew was a medic with the 101st Airborne unit and died on Nov. 15.
When someone dies in combat, they need to give them due respect they deserve for (the) sacrifice they made, said John Holley.
John and Stacey Holley, who were both in the Army, made some calls, and with the help of U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, Matthew was greeted with honor and respect.
Our familiarity with military protocol and things of that sort allowed us to kind of put our foot down -- we're not sure other parents have that same knowledge, said Stacey Holley.
The Holleys now want to make sure every fallen hero gets the proper welcome.
The bodies of dead service members arrive at Dover Air Force Base.
From that point, they are sent to their families on commercial airliners.
Reporters from 10News called the Defense Department for an explanation. A representative said she did not know why this is happening.
Previous Story:
AWOL soldier surrenders and refusing to go back to Iraq. sm
He is from my neck of the woods.
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/awol-soldier-surrenders-after-19-months/20060901041609990017?ncid=NWS00010000000001
I'm not proud of it
just trying to use your formulas for determining aid to people which translates into dollar signs. You really can't have a beef with Bush, because he's throwing as much or more. I don't think throwing more and more money is going to solve the poverty woes of this country which are mostly rooted in moral deprivation. Money will never be able to fix moral deprivation.
I never said I was proud.
Bush has made mistakes. I will not disagree with that at all. However, you cannot solely blame him for this economic crisis when there are so many things that factor into this and it includes many other people besides G.W. Bush and I'm frankly more concerned about the solution to these problems and not who to point to for blame because I don't have that many fingers to point blame to all who were involved in this.
Very proud indeed!
Yes, I'm proud to have roots in Israel.
Whoopdie-doo if your heart bleeds for Palestinians. They brought it all on themselves, and they're still bringing it on.
You have a very short-sighted view of history. My history goes back thousands and thousands of years.
Your seems to begin whenever it suits your purpose.
Palestinians are SQUATTERS! Just because you only recognize history after the Muslim INVASION does not give your Palestian pals claim to the land. This isn't a matter of 'finders keepers.'
And, who blasted the first rockets after the cease fire, braniac? They came from Hamas! From Palestians! So if you want that river to stop running red, maybe you should work on knocking some sense into the Hamas terrorist leaders.
You have every right to be proud of your son.......sm
It is very apparent he is proud of his country.
All I can say is Hollywood would be proud...
Quite an acting job. I call it *cheerleading.* Trying to push people into an emotional frenzy. There are many that think pushing someone into an emotional frenzy will get them to make a decision for the Lord. Trouble is, that just confuses people and when the emotion wears off the *cheerleaders* are gone, the person who has made the *decision* is confused, does not know why all the emotion left and begin to question, and have no place to turn. I personally believe the choice for God is not made in the heat of an emotional moment but in a moment of quiet, clear clarity built on a solid base of faith. I do not mean to cast aspersions on anyone's choice of faith. It is just easier to get through the every day if you have that quiet, strong knowledge of faith and not expect to slide through life on an emotional freight train. That does not mean I do not have my emotional moments, because I do; usually associated with music because that is one of the ways God speaks to my heart. However, those who make an emotional decision not based on faith and knowledge of God's word get disenchanted when the *cheerleaders* are gone. That is why counselors are present at the Grahams' gatherings, so that people can talk quietly with someone and understand their decision before it is made. That way they have something concrete to hold onto when the emotion goes away. Just my two cents worth.
God bless!
Proud to be an American
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BJjKCBbI2s  Cat
Nasty and proud of it.....obviously. And...
definitely not someone who should be calling someone else ignorant. But, since your opinion means les than nothing to me...knock yourself out.
You seemed pretty proud yourself
Like the other poster said, own up or take cover. Defend your candidate's views and positions or bash, slam ad slur to an audience of 1.
I bet you have. Your mother must be so proud. nm
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Great. Be proud. I'm not saying...sm
Not to be, and I'm not saying she hasn't accomplished anything. But that doesn't make her qualified to be the VP. Her resume is tissue-paper thin, and the McCain camp trying to inflate it is starting to backfire. The whole thing is just ill-advised. Pure pandering on McCain's part.
That's what I meant above when I said some women are taking her nomination too personally, like this is our one and only chance to ever have a woman in the White House, and there will never be another! LOL
It will happen, and when it does, I want a woman who is qualified, not a woman who, IMO, is blinded by ambition and is being *used* as a shill by right wing MEN. This is no great thing to be proud of for woman. Don't fall for it.
Are you proud of Bush's
"accomplishments?" You keep defending him. If he hadn't given those big tax cuts to the wealthy in the first place and hadn't started an unnecessary war in Iraq, we wouldn't be in this big financial mess. You don't cut taxes in a time of war...oh...unless you're a pub. They always seem to have it backwards. Everything they do is the opposite of what should be done. I'm sick of it and can't wait for a fresh start. It'll take time, but after Obama gets elected, he'll turn this country around.
Did she not say she was not proud to be American...
until now with her husband running for president. I think that says a lot. And since you don't know one thing about me either, do not go making assumptions my race, nationality, religion, my political affiliation, my attitudes, intelligence or anything else
I'm proud of Arkansas s/m
Arkansans, typically Republicans, kicked Mike Huckabee to the curb and elected a Democrat, Mike Beebe. He's straightened out the mess.
http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article.aspx?aID=109551.54928.121696
I am proud that RW is being allowed to
been convicted and knows in HIS heart to be right without fear. I hope there has been no compromise or deal in the background made and I do not believe RW is of this character. I am afraid that you are right, the people who elected Obama will not be listening to what RW will have to say because they do not know who he will be talking to. I know this is just something for you and a lot of others to just laugh off, but one of the saddest days of this election was the day the Billy Graham Ministry resigned as as pastor/counselor to the the president since serving in that capacity since Eisenhower. They resigned just a few days after Nov 4.
So right, I am not proud of our country either but
nothing to do with O.
Proud to be an American again
Hooray for Obama. He has given America back its hopes and dreams...
why in the WORLD are you proud of this???
you are PROUD of this spending bill? you are PROUD that your children, grandchildren, great grandchildren are going to bear the burden of this disgusting act of social programs that are thrown in to further the dems agenda? i dont know how they have a conscience passing such a thing. During the election campaign didn't Obama speak in disgust about Bush's spending?? and he turns around and whips out the BIGGEST SPENDING BILL EVER!!!
i feel sorry for you for backing your party just because you belong to it.
If this was truly to help the economy this much money wouldn't be needed.
our country is in BIG trouble but wants a quick fix. something needs to be done, but THIS?
this is too much
and it is very scary
wake up!!!
You must be so proud of your research
I'll stick by my kool-aid comment, however, that was not in this post and I'm sick of people calling me ignorant because I believed both countries were in the middle east. These wars have been going on for so long I'm sick of it all.
As for reality I have a pretty good grip on it. You know for a fact there are people who voted for Obama just because he's black! That's reality sista. I know because my brother and his friends boasted on how they didn't know his policies and they didn't care. He's black, we're black so therefore we have to vote for him because he's black. Sorry you don't like to face reality. How about the people interviewed that said that if Obama was president they wouldn't mind Sarah Palin as VP. Oh yeah, those people really understand Obama's policies. How about the people who were told McCains plan and they said yeah, that's why I'm voting for Obama, those plans there you just said. How about the thousands and thousands of people who kept boasting about if Obama gets in office that our troops will be coming home from the middle east.
I'm in touch with reality here, you are not!
And for your information. I did not attack anyone who replied to my post here but plenty attacked me for my beliefs and questions.
WEll then, be proud of your friend's son! nm
When you say Wounded Knee is nothing to be proud of....
You primarily mean the original Wounded Knee, right?
Ignorant and proud of it. Loser.
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What amazes me is you are proud of this behavior.
Which is another huge reason not to put one of you in the white house.
I agree completely. He should be proud of his...
accomplishments. However, that being said...I most assuredly do NOT think he is the right man for the Presidency.
Becuase he's proud to be black
He always talks about being biracial. Loves his grandparents and mother (white) and is proud of his heritage even though he never talks about the black side of his family. I wonder why that is?
another gracious winner....you should be so proud....
start clawing upward right now and you should reach the bottom of the barrel in a light year or two.
You almost sound proud of your ignorance.
You have not got the slightest idea what you are talking about. Not surprising, given the pervasive lies and distortion in US mainstream media. This is not a right of a left affliction, it's across the board. All you have to do is read coverage of the situation from outside the US to find out just how much propaganda has been shoved down your throat all you life on this issue.
Do you know anything at all about how the state Israel came into being? It's a new kid on the block, having been there a mere 60 years. Look at this map.
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/ww2timeline/palestine2.html
Do you see anything on it that says Israel anywhere? Do you know how long the Palestinians lived there before the creation of Israel? Have any idea what the British Mandate did? How about the UN Partition Plan? Ever hear of it? Know anything about occupation? Historical interference from Western powers?
Palestine (Gaza, West Bank, Golan) is an occupied territory. They are not allowed to control their own destiny. People who have been living in these kinds of conditions tend to rebel and reject their oppressors. That would be Israel, bankrolled by the US.
It would be a waste of time to try to discuss this issue with someone who has clearly stated they have no capacity to conceive of the human suffering which has been imposed by our support of Israel and could care less about wholesale murder.
I would, however, like to pass a few links along regarding your question about the tax dollars (truly laughable you seem to be unaware of this).
http://www.rense.com/general41/trill.htm
Study in 2003 estimates cost to US since 1949 of $3 trillion.
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/November_2008/0811010.html
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. Nifty little table of accountable direct aid. Please notice language under the table indicating the additional costs not included in the table.
That should keep you pretty busy. After all, I wouldn't want to overwhelm you with too much reality all at once.
Wait. Here's one more.
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1222181
Seems that some folks in the US DO care about the humanitarian crisis. December 30, US pledges $85 million in aid to Palestinian refugees in Gaza, West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria...a drop in the bucket.
You almost sound proud of your ignorance.
You have not got the slightest idea what you are talking about. Not surprising, given the pervasive lies and distortion in US mainstream media. This is not a right of a left affliction, it's across the board. All you have to do is read coverage of the situation from outside the US to find out just how much propaganda has been shoved down your throat all you life on this issue.
Do you know anything at all about how the state Israel came into being? It's a new kid on the block, having been there a mere 60 years. Look at this map.
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/ww2timeline/palestine2.html
Do you see anything on it that says Israel anywhere? Do you know how long the Palestinians lived there before the creation of Israel? Have any idea what the British Mandate did? How about the UN Partition Plan? Ever hear of it? Know anything about occupation? Historical interference from Western powers?
Palestine (Gaza, West Bank, Golan) is an occupied territory. They are not allowed to control their own destiny. People who have been living in these kinds of conditions tend to rebel and reject their oppressors. That would be Israel, bankrolled by the US.
It would be a waste of time to try to discuss this issue with someone who has clearly stated they have no capacity to conceive of the human suffering which has been imposed by our support of Israel and could care less about wholesale murder.
I would, however, like to pass a few links along regarding your question about the tax dollars (truly laughable you seem to be unaware of this).
http://www.rense.com/general41/trill.htm
Study in 2003 estimates cost to US since 1949 of $3 trillion.
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/November_2008/0811010.html
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. Nifty little table of accountable direct aid. Please notice language under the table indicating the additional costs not included in the table.
That should keep you pretty busy. After all, I wouldn't want to overwhelm you with too much reality all at once.
Wait. Here's one more.
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1222181
Seems that some folks in the US DO care about the humanitarian crisis. December 30, US pledges $85 million in aid to Palestinian refugees in Gaza, West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria...a drop in the bucket.
So NOT proud of the country. O's "change" just
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I was never so proud to be an American as I was today when I saw that on TV.
And then I came here. 
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