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Yes, yes!... BOMBS are no solution, WORDS are..nm

Posted By: aw on 2008-11-05
In Reply to: EXACTLY. Hopefully US imperialism will stop now - me

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WORDS ARE BETTER THAN BOMBS !..nm
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oh, REALLY? So snipers or bombs taking out
In many ways, Christianity is even worse than Islam. And it's disgusting to see the US has been so thoroughly infested with it.
GOP blanket bombs on Chicago's dem civic leaders

Right-wing rants that cite email sources are suspect at best.  Google any one heading included in yesterday's post and discover links to the "common sense" of the Getting' After Left show and a barrage of right-wing blogs.  Surprise, surprise. 


BODY COUNT 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate


Despite being the 3rd largest US city, Chicago's murder rate ranks 20th behind much less populous cities Baltimore MD, Newark NJ, St. Louis MO, Oakland CA, Cincinnati OH, Buffalo NY, Kansas City MO, Miami FL, Pittsburg PA,  and Cleveland OH.  Guess who is ranked #21 (same general category)?  That would be McC's hometown of Phoenix Arizona.  Chicago has experienced an overall decline in crime since the 1990s.


http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/


You seem to be equating Iraq fatalities to murder.  I agree.  On that Iraq body count figure, since you are talking civilians in Chicago, it is only fair to include those folks in your first six months of 2008 figure.  In 2008, the average daily violent occupation-related loss of life via suicide attacks, vehicle bombs, gunfire and executions is 27 x 182.5 days in first six months = 4,927 + you 221 = 5148.  While we are at it, may as well throw out that total civilian body count in Iraq, the very most conservative documented count being 88,373, or World Trade Center x30.   


"COMBAT ZONE"


Naturally, no reliable data is available on this claim, it being a subjective pronouncement that seeks to pontificate.


STATE PENSION FUND


Here we see the smear leap from the Chicago to the state level...an apples to oranges, smoke and mirrors maneuver the GOP attack machine thought they might slip by unattentive readers.  OK.  Let's go there.  As recently as February of this year, we find the following:  http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/02/25/daily29.html


Center on Budget and Policy and Priorities:  McCain's red state:  Arizona Budget Deficit Worst in the Country.  Follow link for all the fascinating details.     


http://www.cbpp.org/1-15-08sfp.htm  Info updated 08/05/08


For starters, state budget deficits are ranked in terms of shortfall percentages.


In the US, 29 states face budget shortfalls totaling 48 billion in 2009.  Notice how similar this 29-state total is to the amount in the GOP smear that claimed a $44 BILLION dollar deficit IL pension plan funds.   Arizona's shortfall percentage = 17.8%, now in second place behind the nations most populous state, California.  Illinois' shortfall percentage = 6.6%, making AZ's budget deficit nearly 3 times that of IL.  So, if we hold dems (and by pub logic, O) responsible for Chicago, then who, pray tell is responsible for Arizona, the political culture from which JM comes from? 


COUNTY SALES TAX


To suggest that any party's local (especially municipal or county) tax schemes would be reproduced on a national level is downright ridiculous.  Tax structures are entirely different and wildly varied from state to state.  Speaking of states, I came across this link http://www.fairtaxation.org/facts/sales_tax_rank.php which shows the Arizona sales tax rate ranks higher (#10) at 7.8% than Illinois at 7.6%. 


CHICAGO SCHOOLS WORST IN NATION


I bit hard to address this second subjective pronouncement that seeks to pontificate.  In terms of WHAT exactly is it the worst?  They are certainly not an uneducated bunch of folks: 


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a80Zfbu_.k4g&refer=us  University of Chicago has produced 82 Nobel prize winners and 10 Nobel Prize winners in economics, more than any university in the US.  The John Bates Clark Medal, bestowed every two years, recognizes the nation's most outstanding economist under 40.  U of Chicago has produced more than any other US institution, 6 out of the 31 recipients.  Seems like those Chicago economists are sort of, well....exceptional. 


I really could go on and on about Chicago's booming economy but I am out of time here.  Maybe later then. 


 


UN: Israel's use of cluster bombs in Lebanon completely immoral
UN denounces Israel cluster bombs
The UN's humanitarian chief has accused Israel of completely immoral use of cluster bombs in Lebanon.

UN clearance experts had so far found 100,000 unexploded cluster bomblets at 359 separate sites, Jan Egeland said.

Israel has repeated its previous insistence that munitions it uses in conflict comply with international law.

Earlier, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert rebuffed UN chief Kofi Annan's calls for a swift end to Israel's air and sea blockade of Lebanon.


After talks with Mr Annan, Mr Olmert said the siege would only be lifted once the ceasefire terms were fully implemented.

This included the release of two Israeli soldiers whose capture by Hezbollah militants sparked the conflict.

But a Lebanese Hezbollah cabinet minister said there would be no unconditional release of the soldiers - the pair would only be freed as a result of a prisoner exchange with Israel.







Every day, people are maimed, wounded and killed by these weapons - it shouldn't have happened
Jan Egeland
UN humanitarian chief


UN efforts to rid Lebanon of cluster bombs have been under way since the conflict ended. Earlier estimates from UN experts had suggested a total of about 100 cluster bomb sites.

Mr Egeland described the fresh statistics as shocking new information.

What's shocking and completely immoral is: 90% of the cluster bomb strikes occurred in the last 72 hours of the conflict, when we knew there would be a resolution, he said.

The UN ceasefire resolution which ended the month-long conflict between Israel and Hezbollah was agreed by the Security Council on Friday, 11 August, and came into effect on Monday, 14 August.


 

Mr Egeland added: Cluster bombs have affected large areas - lots of homes, lots of farmland. They will be with us for many months, possibly years.


Every day, people are maimed, wounded and killed by these weapons. It shouldn't have happened.

Mr Egeland said his information had come from the UN Mine Action Co-ordination Centre, which had undertaken assessments of nearly 85% of the bombed areas in Lebanon.

Earlier this week the US state department launched an inquiry into whether Israel misused US-made cluster bombs in Lebanon during the conflict.

A senior White House official told the BBC that the investigation would focus on whether US-made weapons were used against non-military targets.

Blockade defended

At their talks in Jerusalem, Mr Annan and Mr Olmert discussed the deployment of UN troops in Lebanon as well as the continuing blockade.

The UN chief said he hoped Israel would withdraw from southern Lebanon once 5,000 UN peacekeepers were on the ground in the coming days and weeks.

The BBC's Jill McGivering, in Jerusalem, said Mr Annan and Mr Olmert emerged from their meeting with little sign of the gap between them having narrowed.







Ehud Olmert rebuffed Kofi Annan's call
Olmert and Annan


Mr Annan's Jerusalem talks followed a visit to Lebanon as part of a regional tour aimed at bolstering the truce between Israel and Hezbollah.

After his talks in Israel, Mr Annan flew to the West Bank for talks with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

At a joint press conference in Ramallah, Mr Annan said that more than 200 Palestinians had been killed since the end of June, and the violence had to stop.

Mr Annan has now arrived in Jordan for talks with King Abdullah II, after which he is expected to proceed to Syria.



Those types of words are unnecessary and actually ARE racist words. sm
Those types of phrases are offensive and are intended to be offensive. This election should not be about race. If it is about race for you, then you are probably one of the ignorant people using those words. Very rude!!
You're right....words are just words...so are Obama's...
...and don't/won't mean anything to many people, myself included.

He is no MLK.

It is a historic moment, of that I have no doubt. And yes, he has come far.

However, one still needs to have strength of character to back the words up for true meaning, and he is sadly lacking in that area.


I have the solution.
Imagine this:  Throughout America's communities, we could build many buildings.  We could place crosses or other religious symbols on these buildings in order to distinguish them from other buildings. 

 

People could gather at these buildings once a week or so -- let's say Sunday, for example -- and one person could teach intelligent design to both children and adults and anyone who expresses an interest in learning this subject.

 

We could call these buildings churches.

 

Please pass this on to everyone you know.  I believe it's an idea whose time has come.

Well, of course that is your solution. sm
And again, millions in Iraq who worked alongside coalition forces, will die. But that's okay, just as long as we are out.  Just like Vietnam.  You resent having to come up with a solution for terrorism?  That sure says a lot about the left, doesn't it? 
So what is your solution?
Or do you not believe there is a problem and the government should stay out of it?
So what is your solution?
??
I might have a solution for this.
How about we give the "legal" children to legal American adults who have been wanting to adopt and have not been able to, then ship the "illegal" parents back to their own country.

Win win situation for the children and the people who have been trying to adopt a child for years. The only ones not happy would be the ones trying to use their children as pawns to stay here illegally, but then again....they're illegal, who cares what they think.

Just my two cents.
the link solution
When I checked the links, you had them all correct except for the " that somehow is added to the url. when you click the link from this page it looks like this
http://iwilltryit.com/fixed1.htm"

Just remove the " at the end of the URL in the address bar, so that it looks like this
http://iwilltryit.com/fixed1.htm

In fact if you take off the " on all the links they will all work
Israel solution

Move the state of Israel to Virginia, Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson can fight over the honor, and see how much y'all love Israel then.


My solution is to get out, period, now.
and I resent having to come up with a solution to a problem that I did not create, an idea that I found ridiculous, that I opposed, that I petitioned, attended rallies with those blood-thirsty Quakers against, and wrote letters to editors, senators, congressmen about. There is nothing to be gained in Iraq.
Part of the solution would be to put someone else
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Here's the simple solution:

an email I received yesterday....


 


This was an article from the St. Petersburg Times Newspaper on Sunday.  The Business Section asked readers for ideas on "How Would You Fix the Economy?"  I thought this was the BEST idea....I think this guy nailed it!

Dear Mr. President,
 
Patriotic retirement:
 
There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force - pay them $1 million apiece severance - no tax - with the following stipulations that they must do:
 
1) They must leave their jobs...... Forty million job openings - Unemployment fixed.
 
2) They must buy NEW American cars....... Forty million cars ordered -Auto Industry fixed.

3) They must either buy a house/pay off their mortgage ..... - Housing Crisis fixed.
 
Can't get any easier than that!  Way cheaper than the cost of what's going on now!


Perfect solution........... sm
Send the illegals back to their home countries with a politician under each arm!

I agree that amnesty is a bad idea. With the millions upon millios we now spend for healthcare, housing, and other benefits for illegals, the rising tide of illegals that will likely come with this amnesty will only dig us all further into debt. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting a little tired of paying taxes to cover illegals' medical bills and pay for their food when I can't afford insurance for myself and have to scrimp on the food bill because there just is not enough money to go around after I pay taxes.
Well....the solution to your problem is
simple.  If TechSupport is too smart for ya....don't read.  You people can't just leave certain people alone.  Instead of ignoring someone you don't like or someone you don't agree with...or in this case....someone who uses too big of words for you.....instead of just skipping it you have to make fun, call names, and tell them they are stupid for talking too complicated for ya.  Seriously....grow up and if the conversation is too complicated for you....just take a little time out to calm yourself and just skip the next post.  You might take some pills for your headache as well.  Sheesh.
Again, what is your solution to get information out
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My solution is to get a different president!
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Not a simple solution...
There's literally no simple action that can be taken with respect to offshoring - that train has left the station and it isn't coming back.

This is a global economy and we not only buy goods and services from other countries, we sell ours to them as well. Any adverse action will have an opposite adverse consequence of some kind - either direct or indirect.

Directly, a foreign government can restrict your exports to them, or impose excise taxes. They can restrict American companies from doing business altogether.

And there are indirect consequences. If the people in another country lose income as a result of some action we take, we restrict the market in that country for our goods and services. What that means is a powerful argument against restricting trade. The best we can hope for is to try to ensure that the playing field is as level as possible - and even achieving that has been extremely difficult.

When we imagine that there are simple solutions to complex problems, and then blame the government for not applying these imaginary solutions, we're living in a fanasy world and foreclosing the demand for whatever realistic actions we might actually be able to take - because they're never simple, and they're not going to be as satisfactory as we always imagine our simple solutions would be.
iwilltryit.com link solution
http://iwilltryit.com
Worried about a recession?? Here's the solution s/m

With Recession Looming, Bush Tells America To ‘Go Shopping More’


Today, President Bush held a news conference where he discussed the “way forward” for the economy in 2007. Renowned Morgan Stanley economist Steven Roach says the the “odds of the U.S. economy tipping into recession are about 40 to 45 per cent.” New York Times columnist Paul Krugman notes that “the odds are very good — maybe 2 to 1,” that the U.S. will teeter toward a recession in 2007. Bush’s solution? “Go shopping more.”


Simple solution, DON'T LISTEN TO
HER! Your know you are not going to vote for her, so why punish yourself?
My solution to carmaker crisis

SUGGESTED SOLUTION TO CARMAKER'S CRISIS, AS WELL AS SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES


Maybe I've gone off the deep end - but I'm so sick of hearing about the big 3 bailout requests I've come up with a serious suggestion to help them.


I think its environmentally, morally, and financially irresponsible for the government to give tax breaks to those who buy NEW cars (much less bail out the manufacturers). The majority can't afford them anyway (or can't guarantee they'll have a job to make payments on them tomorrow), and we already have enough cars! Backyards and junk yards are full of cars because we can't get parts for them! How many economy cars that were good on gas are sitting in junkyards - because we don't have the parts to keep 'em on the road?


Why can't we get parts? The greedy corporate suits in Detroit figured if we couldn't get them, we'd be forced to buy new cars whether we wanted to or not! So they won't make them. I guess their plan didn't work, because when we bought new cars, we bought them from someone else.


I believe replacement parts manufacturing can be profitable - as the few little companies that make replacement parts for classic cars can prove. It might not restore the bonus of every deprived CEO in Detroit, but it could save quite a few line jobs. There is no longer a big market for new cars - but there's a constantly growing market for replacement parts. Its better than continuing the denial that Detroit has been in for the last decade - clinging stubbornly to the myth that we LIKE what they make, that we WANT it, and that we can AFFORD it, and that every one of us pines away for shiny new giant gas-guzzler in our driveway. We like what they USED to make, the muscle cars, the economy cars, the cars that were our sentimental favorites back in the day, when cars didn't cost the price of a house, and lasted longer than the 5 year warranty! They still have the blueprints to make the parts for those models, as well as parts for later-model cars past their warranty. That's what we want, what we can afford - and the sheer volume of parts purchased would make them a profit as well as helping the little guy with bad credit survive. Not everyone can get a loan for a new car - or even a used one - but those that can't could probably come up with the price of a needed part


I propose we reduce the production of new cars drastically. Instead we revamp a large number of our factories to manufacture parts for the cars that already exist (if we really MUST bail out the big 3, let's insist they put the money toward this). Alternatively, we insist that for every new car they manufacture - they must manufacture a certain number of essential repair parts for their discontinued models (which, according to recent news - will be most of them). This creates jobs, renews the jobs at some of the small non-union subcontracting plants that had to close when told to stop making the parts, or at least saves the jobs of UAW workers who were making unwanted new cars. Let them close their dealerships - but keep the dealer repair shops open. We then give tax credits for anybody who takes classes on repair - this creates jobs, as more people would rather fix it versus junk it (and can certainly afford the part easier than a whole new car). We give tax credits to anyone who gets a non-running vehicle operational again, we give tax credits for anyone who opens a repair/refurbishment shop, we give tax credits to junk yards that reduce their scrap heaps. Much better than a tax credit encouraging people to take on even more debt for a new car!


If some of elderly vehicles are unsafe by today's standards, we could manufacture parts that make them safer and update them, depending on the needs of each model. Surely the powers that be could run a scan for every VIN and get the statistics for how many models of each are currently still on the road (just like they do when there's a safety recall), and decide from there on whatever issues need addressed.


We should also consider legislation that insurance companies stop totalling vehicles without proof that their repair will be more expensive than a new car. "What a car is worth" needs to be restructured - what is the environmental/financial impact of junking it worth - the cost of a new one? If an old paid-off car ran perfectly fine before the wreck - should it be totalled because the damages came to a couple bucks more than the Blue Book value? I really don't think so! In this economy, having a paid-off vehicle with the option of keeping minimal insurance on it is nearly priceless!


We found out during the last couple years that we really can't afford a brand new McMansion, and we don't actually need one either, and we're much better off with less house than our budget can stretch to cover. Many of us know the same thing about the brand new car, but we don't have a choice because we can't fix the old one, and can't trust that the used one we buy will have parts available for it when it breaks down. That needs to change. We need more cost-effective options and we WANT the choice of fixing what we already paid for, instead of being forced to buy ever-more expensive brand new ones again and again and stuffing the landfills indefinitely!


My solution also applies to large appliances. Our landfills are full of them! The manufacturers of refrigerators, washers/dryers, riding lawnmowers, etc. should be required to produce a set number of repair parts for their older models - instead of making commercials about a lady throwing her old one off a cliff simply because she's tired of it!


Do we really want to be a nation of salesmen and consumers? I think we'd have more pride, strength and better ability to make it through these hard times if we replaced our salesmen with repairmen, blind consuming with sensible choices, and learn to one-up the Joneses with how much we saved from the landfill instead of how much we spent. Let's stop planned obsolescence and let the companies that refuse to give up the practice go belly up! They deserve it - they are trashing the environment as well as ripping off their customers - deliberately manufacturing products to break down in a couple years is just morally wrong. Lets make if fashionable to preserve and restore instead of consume and discard! I hope I'm not the only one that's tired of this - so is anybody with me on this? If you're in favor spread the idea! Discuss this with everybody!


The Solution to the Budget Deficit


by: Dean Baker, t r u t h o u t | Perspective




Peter

Peter Peterson. (Photo: Reuters)




    Peter Peterson is coming to get your Social Security and Medicare. Peterson was the commerce secretary in the Nixon administration. He then went on to make billions of dollars as one of the top executives at the Blackstone Group, a private equity fund. Mr. Peterson is known as one of the top beneficiaries of the fund managers' tax break, through which he personally pocketed tens of millions of dollars.


    Mr. Peterson has been using his Wall Street wealth to attack these social insurance programs for decades, but he recently stepped up his efforts. Last year, he spent $1 billion to endow the Peter G. Peterson Foundation to further his efforts.


    In politics, it's not easy to counter the impact of $1 billion. In addition to its money, the Peterson crew enjoys the support of many important news outlets, most importantly The Washington Post, which pushes his line on both its editorial and news pages.


    In fact, The Post even went so far as to identify Peterson's foundation by its boilerplate, an organization that "advocates for federal fiscal responsibility," instead of telling readers of its political leanings, the normal mode of identification for such organizations. (The Center for Economic and Policy Research was established "to promote democratic debate on the most important economic and social issues that affect people's lives.")


    While the Peterson crew may have the money and the support of the media, the rest of us can rely on logic and ridicule to counter the attack. In this spirit, we have the Peter G. Peterson Intergenerational Fairness Tax Credit. (Mr. Peterson is apparently fond of having things named after him. In addition to his new Peter G. Peterson Foundation, he also has a think tank named after him, the Peter G. Peterson Institute for International Economics.)


    The Peterson tax credit would essentially take the Peterson crew at their word. They claim that they are worried that huge tax burdens will leave future generations worse off than the generations that preceded them.


    This isn't true. There is no plausible scenario, short of war or environmental disaster, that would leave future generations worse off than their parents or grandparents. But we don't have to argue with the billionaire; let's just give future generations the option to trade places with their parents or grandparents who made out so well.


    This is where the tax credit comes in. The tax credit would allow an individual to trade her after-tax income for the after-tax income that someone born 20 or 40 years sooner would have earned at the same age. For example, if someone born in 1990 believes in 2020 that their grandparents got a better deal, they would simply check off the year 1940, and they would have their taxes adjusted so that they would have the same after-tax income of a person born in 1940, when they were also age 30.


    Of course, the young ones would end up big losers in this story. Real wages, on average, will be more than 50 percent higher in 2020 than they were in 1970. Even if tax rates were, on average, 5 percentage points higher, workers in 2020 will still have after-tax wages that are more than 40 percent higher than their counterparts in 1970.


    This means that anyone who chose to take advantage of the intergenerational equity tax credit would end up as a big loser. That is why it can help solve the deficit problem. If people check off the tax credit, they will pay more in taxes and, therefore, increase government revenue.


    It might be hard to convince large numbers of people to voluntarily pay more in taxes. This is where the Peterson Foundation comes in. They are spending huge amounts of money trying to convince young people that they are being ripped off by their parents and grandparents. They are even promoting front groups of young people to advance this effort.


    With his billion dollars, Peterson could convince a huge number of gullible young people to tax advantage of the intergenerational equity tax credit. Insofar as he is successful in this effort, he can help to generate billions of dollars that can be used for items like health care, preschool education, and other pressing needs.


    So, let's join efforts with Mr. Peterson and encourage his followers to take advantage of the Peter G. Peterson Intergenerational Fairness Tax Credit. There is a word for taking money from willfully ignorant young people who would deny their parents and grandparents the Social Security and Medicare benefits they need to survive: justice.


And your solution to the economic crisis is???? (nm)
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I didn't say it was a perfect solution....... sm
just a solution and as with any solution there are exceptions. The elderly by and large are eligible for this program provided their income falls within a certain limit, as are prenant or nursing women, postpartum women up to a certain point, children under the age of 6, among others. This program is already in place, so what might be more appropriate is to save the food stamp program for the disabled, the low-income working class and the elderly and revamp the screening process for food stamps that would weed out those who currently abuse the system because it is easier to get a hand out than a hand up. Maybe even make job retraining programs a stipulation of receiving food stamps and make food stamps work in conjunction with the commodities program in certain instances.

Here is a link to the commodities program. There is a page listing the foods available now and it does appear that there is more variety than before, but still limited to basic nutritional foods.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fdd/
He has no solution but blow MORE money?
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I heard this solution and thought it was interesting
Someone proposed that instead of bailing them out, you give 3.5 million to each American citizen. You let them tank (which they should and deserve), and those Americans who now have 3.5 million dollars can spend it in the economy, save it whatever way they want (back into the banking industry, etc), and the economy would build back up. Of course don't know all the details, just heard that and thought it was a pretty good solution and I can bet you all Americans would say yes to that plan.
I did post a solution at the top...looked good to me...
but if you reward the bad behavior that got us here, and leave the same foxes in charge of the henhouse with absolutely NO remorse for where they put this country...maybe you are ready to excuse them. I'm not. does not mean we can't move forward with a solution. But I am not cutting them any slack. Do I blame them? Yes I blame them. They nearly killed the economy and are about to cost me several billion dollars. You do whatever fits you best. I think SOMEONE in this should lose their job!!
Not THE solution, but perhaps one of many? sorry I put an idea out there for discussion, didn't
and sorry if my post ended up with yours, that happens, and I am not here to insult anyone. I do believe in my stance and my idea, have many reasons for it, thought that for once an issue on here could be discussed without personal attacks, if you read my first posts, there is no content other than the proposed idea; I was insulted and attacked for no reason, had the AUDACITY to defend myself and what I am trying to do with my life, my OWN life, and as usual it has turned ugly and it is almost impossible to figure out the original thread....oh well, back to work.
Great solution. Skip healthcare for the parents.
Because it is great for kids to be motherless and fatherless?  Right.  I actually do not have any health insurance, and since I put my kids first (who are covered btw), that is okay for now, but should I really have to do without?  I agree tax refunds would be good for people who pay health insurance, but I think a better solution would be for government to force the health insurance companies to offer more affordable, straight-forward plans.  WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO AGAINST FREE OR AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE FOR KIDS WHO DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE WHAT INCOME LEVEL/INTELLIGENCE LEVEL THEIR PARENTS ARE.  I am a broken record here.  I don't care what argument you give me, I will still believe that government should cover all kids, just like it already covers all poor people.  Does a poor adult deserve better healthcare than a middle-income child?  No, of course not, but God forbid someone raise your taxes (even though they will continue to rise regardless) to fund health care for kids.
Bailout is Not the Solution, Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S27yitK32ds  Thank you for speaking Rep. Marcy Kaptur!  D-Ohio


No doubt this is a centrist Democrat.  Being Republican, I didn't even know if any centrists were left now that they've been hijacked by moveon, who has openly bragged about owning the Dems.


Anyway, this is really something. 


Incidentally, the Dems had enough votes to pass this thing day one.  They know better than to do that and end up being responsible.  This is why we're subjected to this dog & pony show by them now. 


And to think, they are not only working on a filibuster-proof election and an Obama presidency.  Can y'all afford this tax ticket?  I know I can't.


So you solution is to throw the kids of the great unwashed under the bus?
Wow. I'm glad your not my mom.
why then does Netanyahu till now NOT accept the 2-state solution?...nm
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Nothing but words hon, and we know how Obama's words
nm
Just a few words
For you to even think something like that shows you have it in your brain.  I would never post some of the derogatory posts you and your friends from the conservative board have posted to me and to others.  Does it bother you that much that I post strong opinions and refuse to be cowed by nasty responses?  I have thick skin and I can roll with the punches.  Seems to me every time I post you and your friends just have to respond, no matter what I post.  By you responding so forcefully shows you are threatened by my ideology and the bigger picture, the liberal/democratic ideology.  Be happy with your beliefs and espouse them but stop attacking people for their beliefs..In other words, chill out..you will do your heart a favor.  This is a free country, my opinions are mine and I will continue to have them.  Nothing you say will change my beliefs..so dont waste your time trying..I also must say, if you want to talk about people sounding like lunatics, re-read some of the conservative posts.  A few profess to never attack or call names, yeah right, there is so much back biting and name calling on that board..but hey, its fair game when you are dealing with politics.  they are all just words, nothing more.  My bigger quest is to help turn this country around to the country I knew and loved through grass roots politics, belonging to the local democratic party and making sure the right ones get in mid year elections and in three years.  This is just a politics board, LOL, nothing that gets my blood pressure elevated, that is for sure..The majority of Americans feel we are headed down the wrong track and our priorities are wrong.  The latest poll shows the people losing faith and trust in Bush and his credibility is going down.  The majority think Iraq was a mistake and worry that attacking Iraq made us less secure and more prone to attacks.  Seems to me my opinions and those of most that post on the liberal board (save for the few conservatives who post here to attack and disrupt) are in the mainstream of American thought, fears and concerns. Now, I would hope the attacks will stop, as I will not respond to them anymore.  If you want to debate, post the debate and Im sure many will join in but no one wants to be part of a board where crazy accusations such as you and yours have been posting about me keep getting posted.
Yes, among other words. NM

These were your words.

Still on this board!!!  Tell me how what you said below is the same as:


As far as Iraq, of course, you twisted that all out of context.  Lurker asked if I would go to Iraq to help rebuild and I said yes, if I could I would, but please don't tell the truth and continue to twist because you are twisted.


Yes, I will join. I was there once, I will go again. No problem at all. NM





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Posted By: MT on 2005-08-24,
In Reply to: Ridiculous...I think not - Lurker


There are no words, only
thoughts and prayers. I am so very sorry.
HER words (yet again):

Yes, I will join. I was there once, I will go again. No problem at all.


Not *would* join.... WILL JOIN.  WILL GO AGAIN.  WILL, WILL, WILL, WILL, WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Those who believe in telling the truth can easily see the distortion.


The key words are

*announced* and *Bin Laden.*


Clinton announced to AMERICANS that he was specifically targeting Bin Laden.  Remember him?  HE was the guy responsible for 9/11, and HE is the guy that Bush ignored to instead invade Iraq.


Clinton wasn't targeting average Americans who are trying to pay off their J. C. Penney bills, and Clinton never used intimidating tactics towards American citizens.


Bush doesn't know how to do anything BUT use secrets, intimidation and fear tactics.


Words
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said I would choose to have an abortion, or choose to end life (which to me, are still 2 different things). I said that I believe in choice.
I have two words for you. SM
Walid Shoebat.  I am willing to bet he knows way more than your professor about the Middle East and he doesn't agree with either one of you.
Wow! In her own words no less. I do not want any
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Two words
There is a word spelled choose and a word spelled chose. They certainly are confused a lot these days.

Choose is present tense and chose is past tense. They are pronounced differently.

I'm not picking on the poster; just making a general observation about a term many people misuse.
what a way with words . . .

guffaw.


 


WOW, you use BIG words, just like O!
I am so happy for you!
In their own words

Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis


I'd love to know why I should have to bail out anyone.  If my husband and I overextended ourselves and spent like drunken sailors we'd have nobody to blame but ourselves.  So in that same concept we should turn to someone and essentially hand the bill for it over to him/her?


Also, as a Texan, we'll now be on the hook for billions (per the radio) from Ike.  My husband and I don't HAVE a billion here, a billion there.  They throw around million, billion, and trillion like it's petty cash!


In your own words. sm
The middle class disappears...money at the very top, and that's it. The middle class and the lower class become the same. Can you not see that is what has happened already in America?