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You are so right, question everything, it is the blind condemnation and deafness to reasoning that i

Posted By: Cyndiee on 2009-03-01
In Reply to: The American people should always question motives of the government... - Zville MT

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My point is that it was not a condemnation of Bush. sm
Nothing more, nothing less.
So, by that reasoning....
how many Americans would be excluded from this club? 
There's no reasoning with them when they

Reasoning? Not here.
Aside from the fact that I find it distateful and unhelpful to rehearse pure policy disputes over presidential appointments, it is "terrible" reasoning to derive objections to Ogden's presumptive policies as Deputy AG from a brief he submitted on behalf of a client.


Reasoning........... sm
The man is not family-oriented in the instance that he argued FOR p*rnography and that schools and libraries should not be allowed to filter such filth from their users. I don't know about you, but I sure don't want my kid to be able to surf p*rn sites while at school or at the public library. I don't need any reason beyond that to oppose the appointment of David Ogden to DAG, and frankly I am shocked and disappointed in anyone who feels otherwise.
There is no reasoning with anyone who would
unbelievable...
By your own reasoning............... sm
MT companies should take their business back into the confines of their headquarters and stop employing people at home. Going by your barometer, our work would make our homes a business.

You can bet if that were to ever happen, this board would become a ghosttown and there would be a lot of unhappy MTs.
I don't follow your reasoning...because there are a lot of
gays you think God made them that way? Years ago, sex before marriage was unheard of, but so many people over the years have done it openly now it is accepted. The Bible speaks frankly against it. Same with adultery. The Bible speaks frankly against it. People still do it. And it is still wrong. The Bible speaks against homosexuality. People still do it, it is still wrong. More people kill and steal nowadays. Does that make it right? There are more serial killers today than 20 years ago. Does that make it okay? I believe you are rationalizing. Why would God call something an abomination and then make people that way? That is like saying people are thieves because God made them that way...people are killers because God made them that way...sorry, we will have to agree to disagree big time on that kind of reasoning.
with unsound reasoning
her reasoning was unsound as well - dear
Obama's reasoning for not
having his hand over his heart is that he said they were not saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag when that picture was taken.  He said that the Star-Spangled Banner was being played or sung and states he was not raised to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.....only when you pledge to the flag.  That was his reason.  I know his grandparents lived in Hawaii and he spent some years living in Indonesia living with his muslim step father, but even so........I've always been taught to put my hand over my heart during the national anthem as well as during the pledge.  Maybe he truly wasn't taught to do that, but given all the experiene he claims to have in government, you would think he would hold the national anthem dear to his heart and put his hand over his heart like everyone else on that stage did during the Star-Spangled Banner.  Take it as you will.
Don't confuse them with reasoning.

You've given REASONS why you're glad Bush is out and Obama is in.


They don't understand REASON and common sense.  It's something scary and foreign to them.  So they call it cult worship.  This very thinking is something that will get Obama killed, and when it does, each of these morons on this board will have blood on their hands.


Nobody can reason with these people.  I'm personally tired of visiting this board and being brought down by all the UN-American posts I see. 


I'm interested in having a better life.  All visiting this board does is show me enormous ignorance concentrated into one little site.  There are other sites where people make sense.


This site is starting to become too toxic and hazardous to my health.  I'll check back in a month or so, and if no common decency has returned, then there's no point in my coming back here any more.



Here is my stance and my reasoning

for what I said above.  Government shouldn't have 80% of AIG.  They should have let AIG fall on its face.  They shouldn't have given them money in the first place. 


Here is a little blurp I've copied:  I will provide the link below.


On March 5, New York Fed officials forwarded to the Treasury Department a summary of AIG’s bonus and retention payment issues, including details of the retention program for officials of the Financial Products. This information included that $165 million in payments were expected that very month, as well as the fact that the contracts were in place in the first quarter of 2008, and so not covered by the limitations in the stimulus bill as articulated by an amendment to the stimulus bill offered by Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn.


As ABC News' Capitol Hill Correspondent Jonathan Karl reported, in February, the Senate unanimously approved an amendment restricting bonuses over $100,000 at any company receiving federal bailout funds, but during the closed-door House and Senate negotiations the provision was stripped out and replaced with a measure by Dodd exempting bonuses agreed to prior to the passage of the stimulus bill on February 11, 2009.


 


You can read the whole article at this link:  http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/03/obama-adminis-1.html


So this basically shows that these bonuses were pushed through by Dodd and so the government had its hand in giving out these bonuses and now they are going to turn around and take that away.  It is a contract.  I understand that AIG got butt loads of money from the government.....which was wrong in the first place.....but don't you see how scary it is for our government to have this kind of control and power.  To give and take away at the drop of a hat.  To null and void a contract that someone in government (Dodd) pushed through to make happen and then they turn around and want to tax it to death or just take it from them. 


Why in the he!! did Dodd get this slipped in there in the first place?  that is the real question.  This wouldn't even be an issue.  Dodd slips this in because he received the highest amount of money from AIG.  So of course he wanted to pay back the hand that fed him...so to speak.  And guess who had the second highest amount of contributions from AIG.....Barrack Obama.....   So Dodd slips this through and allows a loophole for the AIG execs to get their big ars bonuses and now that it has gone public and people are furious......now government wants to take control and make them give the money back.  Isn't it the governments fault in the first place....first for bailing them out and then for letting this loophole slip by to pay back AIG for contributions to campaigns. 


This is why our government sucks.  They don't care about Americans.  All they care about is getting money back to the groups, etc. who contributed money to their campaign.  That is why we can't get away from wasteful spending and earmarks.


Sp be it, but your line of reasoning is skewed

What if a sex offender was running loose in your neighborhood.  What if he had raped a child 10 years ago, went to jail with a slap on the wrist (like what happens these days), and got out in ten years.  He shows up in your neighborhood, and you see him out on his porch everyday when the school bus arrives and leaves.  Not only is he leering at the school kids he's making outrageous comments on a daily basis.  Would you say, *Oh, he went to prison.  He did his time.  Hopefully, he's rehabilited.  Yes, he's a little strange and outrageous, but so far, as far as we know, he's not touched a kid again so we need to leave him alone.*


Would you trust this guy?  Especially if you then found out he has a *rape room* in his house?  What if his sons were running around the neighborhood reeking havoc and doing the same things but in a more merciless way and you found out they were going to inherit his house when he died?


Well, this correlates very well with Saddam.  Almost too closely in fact.  Like many of you say here on a daily basis, the world is our neighborhood, and in many neighborhoods there are bullies, and they don't quit being bullies until you take them out.  It's just the way the world works.


Here's my reasoning on stem cell research
It's not been made illegal, it's simply not funded with federal money, i.e. taxpayers money.  The pendulum has swung so far to the other side.  There are lots of people who have serious objections to abortions and also stem cell research, because of their objection to using live embryos.  People who want abortions have them paid for by people who don't believe in them.  That's unfair.  So, let the private market do the stem cell research and leave the taxpayers out of it.  If you feel very strongly about it, donate your own money to those doing it in the private market.
Gotta love the reasoning of these pirates

'Killing our boys was aggression.'   I guess you're just supposed to pay them the money and let them keep pirating.  Nobody was ever supposed to fight back. 


And, as they have threatened to 'deal harshly' with any US or French sailors they capture in the future, is there any reason why now we should not simply hunt down and blast each and every one of them out of the water?  None that I can think of.  I think they just declared war on us. 


you aren't reasoning out issues, you are being downright rude, crude, and nasty. nm
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We are blind.

We have become so successful that we have gotten a bit big for our britches here.  Until 9/11, we thought nothing would happen on our own shores.  Other countries hate us.  When we declared war in Iraq, almost everyone turned their backs on us.  Yet we continue to ship American jobs out of the country.  We continue to buy food and products from other countries that may not have the best regulations.  Here we have people's medical histories on our computer screens and the same information could very easily end up on someones computer screen in India to be typed.  The outsourcing of transcription, in my opinion, is one of the dumbest things we have ever done.  We are so arrogant that we often don't stop to see the big picture.


I love our country and I'm proud to be an American, but I am rather disappointed in how things are going in our country.  We are in deep crap here and I hope and pray that we will get some people in Washington who have a brain and can change things for the best....granted....nothing can be a quick fix and I can't imagine things changing for a few years at least.  I want a good change though.  I won't vote for change just because it is different.  What is the point of change if that change doesn't help in the long run?


You are so blind!

All you want to do is sit around and complain about things and point at one political party for the blame.  You list issues like the war, economy, etc.....and yet when someone actually responds with information, you simply ignore it and say it is nonsense.  What is nonsense is the fact that you never rebuttable with anything of significance.  For once, post something of substance.


I'm not blind.

He has addressed the issues that are important to me personally.


John McCain and his cronies, on the other hand, only recently discovered there IS a middle class in the USA, you know, the "whiners."


you are so blind nm

There are none so blind as......... sm
those who will not see.

Personally, and bash away if you want, I feel that Bush did as good of a job as he could have with the hand he was dealt. I daresay no one on this board could have done a better job. If you want to bash me for that, get out the hammer, but I will not get into a shouting match with anyone here. Last time I checked, this was a free country (how much longer I will be able to say that remains to be seen) and I am entitled to my opinions.

I particularly liked this passage from this article and feel it speaks volumes of the climate in America today, not just on a national front but right down to the smallest governmental divisions, like small towns and schools.

"Perhaps if Americans stopped being so divisive, and congressional leaders came together to work with the president on some of these problems, he would actually have had a fighting chance of solving them."
There Is None So Blind As He Who Will Not See
If you choose to live in ignorance, it's up to you.

Wallow in it for all I care. Apparently you enjoy your intellectural oblivion, like all the other obamazombies.

And, seriously, 'babycakes?'

What are you, 9? Does your mommy know you're on her computer, dearie?

There are non so blind as those who will not see.
Personally, I hope you guys keep this up indefinitely since (as some of the GOP leaders have pointed out) it undermines the party's credibility and makes them all look like a bunch of fools.
How blind.........
First of all, O'Reilly has never ever suggested the man deserved what he got or anything close. That has even been talked about on his show with others saying he never suggested violence against this man, so quit regurgitating garbage you hear on liberal hate mongering outlets.....

Let's remember 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'.... the man who killed Dr. Tiller should be prosecuted just like anyone else who takes another's life like that; however, keep in mind, Dr. Tiller has been murdering also by the thousands for many decades. He too was a murdered.

Why should O'Reilly be accountable for anything? Remember FREE SPEECH? He can say whatever he pleases just like the liberals who love to back abortionists.

"Are anti-choice groups celebrating today? An abortion doctor is dead so women won't have unwanted pregnancies!

I personally never celebrate anyone being murdered, even this man, even though I find it hard to understand how he could even step foot in a church knowing he murders the very lives God put here. Very hypocritical to say the least. But that is now between him and God...

Too bad you're so worried about the anti-choice groups you BELIEVE to be celebrating this man's death but you show no compassion at all for the babies he murdered for decades! Where's your concern for those children?

How about the war on terror including people like this doctor who slaughtered near-term babies for decades.. what exactly would you call him?

You are so narrow minded that you don't even get that there are many people who are against abortion that do not consider themselves religious.... you seem to be stuck on the term "religious" for some reason...

What do you call groups that push for murder of these unborn children? They're not TERRORISTS?!! What a hypocrit!
You are cold, blind to yourself and obviously
My question for you would be the same as the question the OP asked Sam. Who do you hate more? Blacks, the poor or Dems? Unless you are truly interested in knowing exactly what happened there and why people could not get out, I will not dignify your post with my time, much less my comments, other than to say that people there did not refuse to leave....they could not get out. 1863 people died in that city behind broken levies.

Here's one issue you might consider. Funding for the levies/US Corps of Engineers who are responsible for their maintenance…repeatedly cut to fund Iraq and tax cuts for the rich, despite repeated warnings of the need to shore up, maintain and/or replace them. The literature is out there for those who are interested. Let me say this much loud and clear. By no means is this the only factor. It is one of many. You show no real interest in understanding this and therefore, I have no real interest in debating with this kind of uninformed rhetoric.

I have lived on the Gulf Coast all my life. When Katrina happened, I was paying close attention. To blame the victims of this horror IS cold-blooded. You want to be that way, fine. No problem. But I will not stand by and be silent when I see this kind of stupidity. Whether you care or not, besides the 1863 who died there, there are refugees from Katrina in the 10s of thousands from the incompetence and failures of FEMA, withholding of federal emergency funds to the most heavily stricken areas, either deliberate or as a result a president who does not know how to read a map. Declaring emergencies is his job. At the very least, take a look at this map and tell me there isn't something wrong with this picture.

And by the way, this is not just about what happened during the storm or its immediate aftermath. This is also about failures that were NOT local leadership that occurred over and over and over again over months and years in the aftermath.
http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/637/1/
map
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/01/AR2005090102261.html
Bush Undercut New Orleans Flood Control
http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/blumenthal/2005/08/31/disaster_preparation/
No one can say they didn't see it coming

Blind faith.....
In a way it is. I have faith that God is there for me. That doesn't mean things are sugar and honey all the time, because they're definitely not.

Jesus ask of to just have the faith of a mustard seed. He is asking us to have no more faith than that of the size of a mustard seed, which is meniscule, and you will be surprised where that will take you. You know, we are asked to ask questions of God, to seek him, and ask Him to prove Himself. What better way for God to show us his love than to ask Him to prove himself?

You might just see great things happen in your life.


The only blind eye here was turned toward
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It is sad that people are that blind.
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not blind or ignorant
I was going to vote for O but found that I just cannot due to the abortion issue.  Do I like McCain.  NO.  So I am stuck.  But not everyone that doesnt vote for O is a racist or stupid or blind.  Just an FYI
Are you so blind as to what's happening in
this country that you truly still think McCain should've won? Do you not see what republicans do to our economy EVERY TIME? Are you enjoying this Bush Depression which is only just beginning? Our only hope is that Obama can at least slow it down, but Bush has already done the damage. Unemployment rates are soaring, homelessness is soaring, jobs are flying overseas with the blessing of republican corporate tax cuts and loopholes, the deficit is astronomical now, etc. etc. etc. The rich are getting richer & the middle class is getting poorer. It's a deja vu of the Reagan/Bush years. Get your head out of the sand & pay attention to what's happening economically to this country. I don't give a flying flip about this idiotic birth certificate argument or any of the other thousand fake issues Fox has invented to get it's viewers fired up. What I DO care about is the economy & Americans losing their jobs and homes because of republicanomics.
Plus PM Brown is going blind. nm
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Bush picks on the blind.sm

It was inadvertent, but still funny that he is such a dodo.  Was going to post the link on Wonkette, but there was a curse word on that page, and did not want the 3 Bush supporters over on the other board to get their undies in a knot.


http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Bush-Sunglasses.wmv


 


Blind loyalty, sad. You need to wake up.nm
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Apparently you turn a blind eye
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and turned a blind eye to all the rest
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So smug. So self assured. So blind to anyone's
With any luck, she lives on the Gulf coast in a low-lying mobile home park.
Sometimes I do too, and I don't turn a blind eye to the the "party"
and its mistakes and exactly why we are in the shape we are in. I do not check my principles nor my thinking at the door of the DNC as you apparently do. The Democrats lost any high ground they had when they denied having anything to do with this and blamed it entirely on Republicans. Totally lacking in integrity.

Maybe "sometimes" is the operative word here.
Yep, but you won't get the bunch of blind eyes on
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Turned a blind eye? Did you hear what
the "frightened senile old woman" had just called Louis Farrakhan's Messiah? Maybe next time Sen. McC will just let the crowd go, as O did this morning. After McC stood up like the man he is in front of his own, this morning when O was "acknowledging him," his someone from his own crown yelled "shoot him." I can assure you, you will not here a word of this on CNN or MSNBC and probably not anywhere else, but I heard it. O hesitated, smiled and kept kept on ranting. Now, when this happened at McC's rally, he was inciting riotous behavior and creating havoc, but O is calming his crowds. There is such a double standard in this election it is pathetic.
Then you're blind, deaf, and
pretty dumb seeing as there's a page full of whining about it further down.


I don't even know where YOU are coming from, no BLIND allegiance here at all.....sm
I would rather work hard for a solution, admit when I am wrong, and move on with things. Too much whining, crying, finger-pointing, name-calling....it is like a badly-controlled daycare center here most days. We have a huge problem that our kids and grandkids are going to inherit, I only said I would support my president and a country, so put your claws in and get a clue.
Obama deception......only the blind will not see!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7886780711843120756
Faith and blind loyalty are two different things
You are looking down your nose at people who differ in their beliefs than you. If we have convictions based on our faith (many faiths including Jewish, Christian/Catholic & Muslim consider Israel to be holy territory) then who are you to belittle what we see happening such as fulfilling of propehcy etc.? Just because you don't believe what is happening there has any Biblical/Koranic basis does not make us wrong or loony or whatever. Your statements basically made fun of people of faith, and I don't think that is very tolerant of you.
Color blind here and voting for Obama. However, sm
I heard on the news today that people saying they will not vote for him because he is a Muslim (he is not) because it it politically incorrect to say they will not vote for him because he is black. I think that no one on this board will admit to not voting for him because he is black, the Bradley effect is alive and well I think.
Bigotry is blind as you have so eloquently illustrated.
Canadians, progressive Americans, Pakistanis, the French, Saudis and a whole bunch of other folks understand that we now live in a global community. The internet has been a great equilizer...where anybody anywhere can weigh in and get the respect they deserve, even when they are "diffefrent" from us or when they disagree. The global community is a nice place to live. It's in the here and now, not mired in the past. Why don't you get with the program and try it out sometime? It beats the heck out of fear and hate.
Obiously. Dumb and blind to boot.
need some substance here....white matter gymnastics, intelligence, logic, coherehnce, pertinence. Bye-bye, dead thread deadhead.
sorry, he has not yet earned my respect and blind faith ..
I did not decide who to vote for until 3 days before the election.

This blind faith people are espousing for OBama scares me as much as SOME (not all) of OBama's ideas!

My biggest concern -- so many promises .. that always is a red flag to me.

We should by nature be hopeful but wary at the same time.

HE will have my undying blind faith and support once he earns it.

He has my respect for being in the office of president, and I will try to honor his wishes and comply with what he "changes" ...


I'm sure Hitler had blind faith followers - sm
I'll bet the folks who blindly followed Hitler thought he was above reproach, just like O's fanatics think he is 'the one.'

I'll bet if you said anything ill of Hitler, their young, charismatic, shining 'hope' you would have received just as much foulness as you get on this board if you say anything negative about O.

I doubt the people who fell so in love with Hitler knew, or cared to know, a whip about his true character, his true beliefs, or his true plans. Similarly, I've yet to see any eagerness on the part of O-followers to look past the bumper sticker and take a good, hard look at the man they have just stuck America with.

Of course, the latest Tom Cruise movie on the, unfortunately, unsuccessful plot to kill Hitler shows how well Germany's shining ray of hope and change played out.

You'd think the world would be too saavy to let that happen again.

Although, if you look at the world around us, it appears we never learn anything from history.
W puts money in blind trust It's been 8 yrs since
but claims he lost money in the meltdown.  Guess economics was/is not his strong suit.  This makes me wonder if his economic advisors were ever able to dumb down their reports enough for W to be able to understand them.  Just 6 more days, praise the Lord. 
Obama is robbing the taxplayer blind. So many
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Open your eyes that your blind hatred is consuming you. nm