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I don't follow your reasoning...because there are a lot of

Posted By: Observer on 2007-02-06
In Reply to: Do unto others - ExMQMT

gays you think God made them that way? Years ago, sex before marriage was unheard of, but so many people over the years have done it openly now it is accepted. The Bible speaks frankly against it. Same with adultery. The Bible speaks frankly against it. People still do it. And it is still wrong. The Bible speaks against homosexuality. People still do it, it is still wrong. More people kill and steal nowadays. Does that make it right? There are more serial killers today than 20 years ago. Does that make it okay? I believe you are rationalizing. Why would God call something an abomination and then make people that way? That is like saying people are thieves because God made them that way...people are killers because God made them that way...sorry, we will have to agree to disagree big time on that kind of reasoning.


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    Follow the yellow brick road....follow....
    the yellow brick road. The great and powerful O will take care care of you. Watch out for those flying monkeys he is surrounding himself with tho....LOL. You folks kill me. This is ALL on you. You gave him the power. Remember that....
    So, by that reasoning....
    how many Americans would be excluded from this club? 
    There's no reasoning with them when they

    Reasoning? Not here.
    Aside from the fact that I find it distateful and unhelpful to rehearse pure policy disputes over presidential appointments, it is "terrible" reasoning to derive objections to Ogden's presumptive policies as Deputy AG from a brief he submitted on behalf of a client.


    Reasoning........... sm
    The man is not family-oriented in the instance that he argued FOR p*rnography and that schools and libraries should not be allowed to filter such filth from their users. I don't know about you, but I sure don't want my kid to be able to surf p*rn sites while at school or at the public library. I don't need any reason beyond that to oppose the appointment of David Ogden to DAG, and frankly I am shocked and disappointed in anyone who feels otherwise.
    There is no reasoning with anyone who would
    unbelievable...
    By your own reasoning............... sm
    MT companies should take their business back into the confines of their headquarters and stop employing people at home. Going by your barometer, our work would make our homes a business.

    You can bet if that were to ever happen, this board would become a ghosttown and there would be a lot of unhappy MTs.
    with unsound reasoning
    her reasoning was unsound as well - dear
    Obama's reasoning for not
    having his hand over his heart is that he said they were not saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag when that picture was taken.  He said that the Star-Spangled Banner was being played or sung and states he was not raised to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.....only when you pledge to the flag.  That was his reason.  I know his grandparents lived in Hawaii and he spent some years living in Indonesia living with his muslim step father, but even so........I've always been taught to put my hand over my heart during the national anthem as well as during the pledge.  Maybe he truly wasn't taught to do that, but given all the experiene he claims to have in government, you would think he would hold the national anthem dear to his heart and put his hand over his heart like everyone else on that stage did during the Star-Spangled Banner.  Take it as you will.
    Don't confuse them with reasoning.

    You've given REASONS why you're glad Bush is out and Obama is in.


    They don't understand REASON and common sense.  It's something scary and foreign to them.  So they call it cult worship.  This very thinking is something that will get Obama killed, and when it does, each of these morons on this board will have blood on their hands.


    Nobody can reason with these people.  I'm personally tired of visiting this board and being brought down by all the UN-American posts I see. 


    I'm interested in having a better life.  All visiting this board does is show me enormous ignorance concentrated into one little site.  There are other sites where people make sense.


    This site is starting to become too toxic and hazardous to my health.  I'll check back in a month or so, and if no common decency has returned, then there's no point in my coming back here any more.



    Here is my stance and my reasoning

    for what I said above.  Government shouldn't have 80% of AIG.  They should have let AIG fall on its face.  They shouldn't have given them money in the first place. 


    Here is a little blurp I've copied:  I will provide the link below.


    On March 5, New York Fed officials forwarded to the Treasury Department a summary of AIG’s bonus and retention payment issues, including details of the retention program for officials of the Financial Products. This information included that $165 million in payments were expected that very month, as well as the fact that the contracts were in place in the first quarter of 2008, and so not covered by the limitations in the stimulus bill as articulated by an amendment to the stimulus bill offered by Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn.


    As ABC News' Capitol Hill Correspondent Jonathan Karl reported, in February, the Senate unanimously approved an amendment restricting bonuses over $100,000 at any company receiving federal bailout funds, but during the closed-door House and Senate negotiations the provision was stripped out and replaced with a measure by Dodd exempting bonuses agreed to prior to the passage of the stimulus bill on February 11, 2009.


     


    You can read the whole article at this link:  http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/03/obama-adminis-1.html


    So this basically shows that these bonuses were pushed through by Dodd and so the government had its hand in giving out these bonuses and now they are going to turn around and take that away.  It is a contract.  I understand that AIG got butt loads of money from the government.....which was wrong in the first place.....but don't you see how scary it is for our government to have this kind of control and power.  To give and take away at the drop of a hat.  To null and void a contract that someone in government (Dodd) pushed through to make happen and then they turn around and want to tax it to death or just take it from them. 


    Why in the he!! did Dodd get this slipped in there in the first place?  that is the real question.  This wouldn't even be an issue.  Dodd slips this in because he received the highest amount of money from AIG.  So of course he wanted to pay back the hand that fed him...so to speak.  And guess who had the second highest amount of contributions from AIG.....Barrack Obama.....   So Dodd slips this through and allows a loophole for the AIG execs to get their big ars bonuses and now that it has gone public and people are furious......now government wants to take control and make them give the money back.  Isn't it the governments fault in the first place....first for bailing them out and then for letting this loophole slip by to pay back AIG for contributions to campaigns. 


    This is why our government sucks.  They don't care about Americans.  All they care about is getting money back to the groups, etc. who contributed money to their campaign.  That is why we can't get away from wasteful spending and earmarks.


    Sp be it, but your line of reasoning is skewed

    What if a sex offender was running loose in your neighborhood.  What if he had raped a child 10 years ago, went to jail with a slap on the wrist (like what happens these days), and got out in ten years.  He shows up in your neighborhood, and you see him out on his porch everyday when the school bus arrives and leaves.  Not only is he leering at the school kids he's making outrageous comments on a daily basis.  Would you say, *Oh, he went to prison.  He did his time.  Hopefully, he's rehabilited.  Yes, he's a little strange and outrageous, but so far, as far as we know, he's not touched a kid again so we need to leave him alone.*


    Would you trust this guy?  Especially if you then found out he has a *rape room* in his house?  What if his sons were running around the neighborhood reeking havoc and doing the same things but in a more merciless way and you found out they were going to inherit his house when he died?


    Well, this correlates very well with Saddam.  Almost too closely in fact.  Like many of you say here on a daily basis, the world is our neighborhood, and in many neighborhoods there are bullies, and they don't quit being bullies until you take them out.  It's just the way the world works.


    Here's my reasoning on stem cell research
    It's not been made illegal, it's simply not funded with federal money, i.e. taxpayers money.  The pendulum has swung so far to the other side.  There are lots of people who have serious objections to abortions and also stem cell research, because of their objection to using live embryos.  People who want abortions have them paid for by people who don't believe in them.  That's unfair.  So, let the private market do the stem cell research and leave the taxpayers out of it.  If you feel very strongly about it, donate your own money to those doing it in the private market.
    Gotta love the reasoning of these pirates

    'Killing our boys was aggression.'   I guess you're just supposed to pay them the money and let them keep pirating.  Nobody was ever supposed to fight back. 


    And, as they have threatened to 'deal harshly' with any US or French sailors they capture in the future, is there any reason why now we should not simply hunt down and blast each and every one of them out of the water?  None that I can think of.  I think they just declared war on us. 


    You are so right, question everything, it is the blind condemnation and deafness to reasoning that i
    nm
    you aren't reasoning out issues, you are being downright rude, crude, and nasty. nm
    nm
    I don't follow you? nm
    .
    Then it would follow that .........sm
    conservatives not idjits since we cannot see that Obama is a natural born citizen! 
    And no actually, if you follow the thread SM
    I was posting to American Woman.
    Hope you follow him
    /
    Here is a follow up to the first story... sm
    http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=448&z=56
    And you wonder why those people follow
    xx
    You don't follow the board much, do you?
    This has been discussed way below


    You sound terribly misinformed.
    Like I said, weak enough to follow
    "
    you need to follow your posts a little better

     I didn't refer to the word "aspire" in my post and neither did the "the big bad"


    Find somewhere else to troll.


    If you are not able to follow my thread,
    at least try to follow your own. I was replying to your right-from-wrong post where, in an attempt to avoid the points I had made about Israel, you stated I had listed all of Palestinian atrocities. My reply followed consecutive order.

    The first item on the list you were trying to attribute to them began with occupation. Since you made the blanket, all-encompassing statement that I had just listed ALL of their atrocities, I began my reply with occupation and followed point-by-point with responses to the other listed items. You would probably have a vague understanding of that if you actually engaged in debating substance rather than simple vollies of empty, vacuous put-downs and denials.
    Follow up to Tammy (Tom)
    Okay Clarence Thomas!! You would have made a good house person back in the day. Ever heard of the word "Tom," as in Uncle Tom??
    Hey there follow Oregonian
    We may be heading up closer your way. Nothing down here in GP. No hopes for a future here but we hear further north it is better. Hoping within a couple weeks we're out of here.
    That's what happens when you follow blindly....
    you go in circles. By the way, wagon has only one "g." And quite frankly, all conservatives are not "pubs." The last election cycle should prove that convincingly...if you can look away from the blinding light that is your leader long enough to have an independent thought...key word here being independent. You might want to wait and see what JTBB has to say before you answer. :-) Blah blah about sums it up...lol.
    I do not follow the 'party' system. sm
    Consider myself true conservative (not Republican or a religious zealot), libertarian. Colbert shoved the truth in the face of power, media & government. Somebody needs to do it. The mainstream media does not have the guts to really put the truth in Bush's face. They are afraid of him, just like the rest of the world and America. Definitely something wrong with that.
    May I suggest that you follow your own *instruction...*
    and read a book before YOU spout off.

    The National Socialist German Workers Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (help·info), or NSDAP, commonly known as the Nazi Party), was a political party in Germany between 1919 and 1945. It was known as the German Workers Party (DAP) before the name was changed in 1920.

    The party's leader, Adolf Hitler, was appointed Chancellor of Germany by president Hindenburg in 1933. Hitler rapidly established a totalitarian regime known as the Third Reich, under which the party gained almost unlimited power.

    THAT is what happens when an entire nation is tied to the government for every need...a check, health care, education, and on and on and on. Then they have you, my friend, and that is when socialism turns into totalitarian dictatorship. It happened in Cuba. It happened in Venezuela. It happened in Germany. It happened in Italy under Mussolini. So, I would suggest, my friend, that YOU do your research before attacking someone else.

    Socialism refers to a broad array of doctrines or political movements that visualize a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community[1] for the purposes of increasing social and economic equality and cooperation. This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state. As an economic system, socialism is often characterized by socialized (state or community) ownership of the means of production.

    The modern socialist movement had its origin largely in the working class movement of the late-19th century. In this period, the term "socialism" was first used in connection with European social critics who criticized capitalism and private property. For Karl Marx, who helped establish and define the modern socialist movement, socialism would be the socioeconomic system that arises after the proletarian revolution where the means of production are owned collectively. This society would then progress into communism.

    A diverse array of doctrines and movements have been referred to as "socialist." Since the 19th century, socialists have not agreed on a common doctrine or program. The various adherents of socialist movements are split into differing and sometimes opposing branches, particularly between reformist socialists and communists.

    Since the 19th century, socialists have differed in their vision of socialism as a system of economic organization. Some socialists have championed the complete nationalization of the means of production, while social democrats have proposed selective nationalization of key industries within the framework of mixed economies. Stalinists, including those inspired by the Soviet model of economic development, have advocated the creation of centrally planned economies directed by a state that owns all the means of production. Others, including self-titled Communists in Yugoslavia and Hungary in the 1970s and 1980s, Chinese Communists since the reform era, and some Western economists, have proposed various forms of market socialism, attempting to reconcile the presumed advantages of cooperative or state ownership of the means of production with letting market forces, rather than central planners, guide production and exchange.[2] Anarcho-syndicalists, Luxemburgists (such as those in the Socialist Party USA) and some elements of the U.S. New Left favor decentralized collective ownership in the form of cooperatives or workers' councils. Others may advocate different arrangements.

    NO THANKS.
    For those who follow foreign politics...
    I just heard on NPR that Gary Kasparov has been arrested in Russia during a marching and protest of Russia's voting practice.  This is NOT good.  Putin is a very dangerous individual who has been funding the middle east conflict and selling weapons to those who really shouldn't have them.  Kasparov is a potential light at the end of the tunnel for a more democratic and liberal Russian state.  I am afraid for him.
    Doubt they will follow your suggestion.
    nm
    And a follow up question for McPain,
    WHICH country do you put first?  (Heeheehee (McPain laughing) with his teeth all out there with that queer little grin.)
    You both are absolutely right. Sheep(le) will follow each
    other right over the cliff and we are heading that way quickly. If it was happening in another country people here would wonder why the citizens are so dense; not here, they just hear the mantra of change, hope and promises (that cannot be kept) and are so addicted the first time they hear it they don't take the time to educate themselves about the possible ramifications until it is too late.
    Follow the link, oh lazy one.
    You can see the Senate requistions for yourself. Barack's name is there there, along with the amount doled out, what the money is going toward, and WHO THE MONEY IS GOING TO. Doesn't take a braniac to copy and paste a recipient's name in and Google their relationship wtih Barack.

    And I notice you didn't offer a link with any rebuttal informationl. Typical. "Ladies and gentlemen, I have 'investigated' this and the allegations are 'pure garbage.' What a joke. How much did YOU get from that corrupt dolt?

    Sweep, sweep, sweep. The Dems shove ANOTHER Obama dirty little secret under the rug.
    Just NOT smart enough to NOT follow the sheeps
    __
    Perhaps you should follow your own advice (last line)
    nm
    What you meant was don't follow links that
    //
    Try to follow the thread. OP said he/she was bored....
    and felt compelled to post that he/she was bored. I merely said it was boring to read posts about people complaining that they are bored. If you are bored by my posts, don't read them. Simple fix.
    follow up to the free part -
    This information came from Obama's website. It says that people will have to do community service in exchange for that $4000 they are given for school and the free part means that $4000 would pay for a community college - nowhere does he say that a university education would be free.

    Higher Education
    Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit: Obama and Biden will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax Credit. This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most students. Recipients of the credit will be required to conduct 100 hours of community service.

    Simplify the Application Process for Financial Aid: Obama and Biden will streamline the financial aid process by eliminating the current federal financial aid application and enabling families to apply simply by checking a box on their tax form, authorizing their tax information to be used, and eliminating the need for a separate application.

    Sorry Lauren but I couldn't follow that (sm)
    You are not born into being a Christian. Being born to Christian parents does not make you a Christian until you convert, that is not true. You are not a Christian until you make a conscious decision to be one.
    I was just saying to follow the lead of your hero
    he lost but he is moving past it, unlike the RRs on this board
    You did not follow who I was responding to!!!! YOU READ IT
    dip
    It's about time and other states should follow
    Still is beyond me why all people who fall in love cannot marry the person they love because of their gender. I always think, what's next, you can't marry someone of a different race. It is beyond me why people dictate who can and cannot marry based on their religious beliefs. It should not even be a topic up for discussion. You want to marry someone then you should be allowed the same rights anyone else is. Talk about de-humanizing someone because of who they love.
    More states need to follow suit
    x
    Would much rather intelligently question than blindly follow. NM

    I follow the Old Testament and those rules aren't too
    NM
    Try to follow this logic. I support Obama. Therefore,
    his platform and every single speech he ever gave, was and never will be MY issue. It is yours. MY issue is with the hypocrisy of Joe the unlicensed, the way he misrepresented his intentions to buy the business (seems to have completely forgotten that by now), misrepresented his income, the income of the business in question and the innocent bystander routine that you so strongly defend. Contrary to popular belief, it seems, ignorance IS NOT BLISS here. His cover was blown and you can't stop crying foul because the underlying agenda is out in the open.

    Beyond that, McCain has lifted up JTP and is using him to further misrepresent his alleged concern for the middle class (a phrase which he has yet to utter in any speech) which is clearly the case, given his 24-year record of voting and his 90% undying devotion to the "commonly shared philosophy" with the shrub.
    Pathetic are people who would follow this phony.
    nm
    Oh boy. WAKE UP. Follow the link before you post.
    Both bills referred to here involve Equal/Fair pay remendies for WOMEN, not Congress.