attack the messenger
Posted By: Flambe on 2008-09-05
In Reply to: about Media Matters.... - sam
Here we go again - Rove's tactic of personal attacks on those who bring forth damaging information. Media matters states inaccuracies of the press on both sides. They back their statements up with proof and facts. You can argue they are "left" "right" "middle" or "ovoid" but they still present information and back it up with verifiable facts.
Complete Discussion Below:  marks the location of current message within thread
The messages you are viewing
are archived/old.
To view latest messages and participate in discussions, select
the boards given in left menu
Other related messages found in our database
Libs always attack messenger instead of message.
They forget that this is not Bush’s porkfest, it’s Obama’s, all trillion of it, and yes, there will be more.
They don’t want to be educated on the Bush tax cuts. Tax revenues increased between 2003-2007.
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8792/11-2007-MBR.htm
Go to the 'Receipts' table. This is a table showing how tax revenues increased between 2005-2007.
But I guess Democrats would say Dick Cheney sneaked into the CBO and changed the numbers.
How is it that Liberals claim to be able to read our minds? I would try to read a Liberal’s Mind, but I don’t like short stories, comic books, or things written in crayon. LMAO! HIC!"
Have you read Attack the Messenger by Craig Crawford...sm
He was on Fox and Friends today talking about the press and politics and I'm wondering if this is a good book?
Why do you feel the desperate need to attack, attack, attack....
what IS it about Obama that inspires this kind of thing? I guess you don't get it when someone is being facetious do you? Read the whole thread...including the part about celestial choirs, which was said by one of Obama's supporters.
The smoke machines and strobe lights was definitely a joke, one can only hope they would not do something so ridiculous but who knows....Britney Spears' set designer designed that set.
So much for no celebrity status. LOL.
Messenger, yes................. sm
Savior, no. Muslims acknowledge that Jesus existed but do not acknowledge His divinity and that He came for ALL people (yes, the Muslims as well if they would turn to Him).
No need to slay the messenger.
and believe you me, I was being pretty restrained, considering how much there was to report that I did not share.
Now that your cheap shot is behind you, suppose you try a more intelligent, thoughtful response to the comparison. Do you seriously equate a single, solitary affair with a life-long partner to serial sexually predatory behaviors?
DON'T SHOT THE MESSENGER
It could be a joke, but I do trust Huffingtonpost. It is also posted on other parts of the net. For him to do so (pardon Bin Laden), probably means nothing to anyone except "Bush" since Bin Laden has not been captured and is not a U.S. citizen. You can search it yourself and form your own opinion: "Bush Pardon's Osama Bin Laden" or you can copy and paste the link below.
I don't put anything past Bush and nothing he does surprises me. I'm embarassed that I voted for him. After stating that he gets a "briefing" every day, on Larry King when asked, if we ever came close to capturing Bin Laden, his reply was "I don't know......I really don't know." First of all, you should know, and if you don't know, you don't say I don't know. You can discuss the gallant attempts by our military to capture him, the sacrifice they gave of themselves to capture him, etc. LAME DUCK -- BYE!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-rees/breaking-bush-pardons-osa_b_159272.html
So don't shoot the messenger.
Of course, disease is a choice and I know many doctors who believe the same way. We can prevent diabetes, heart disease, cancer and many other diseases simply by making changes in our diet and lifestyle. We may not realize the choices we made contributed to it, but nonetheless, we can be healthy if we work at it. Unborn babies have to rely on their mothers to stay healthy. None of us really know the damage we may do to our unborn by ingesting things we "consider to be healthy. I'll let you make your own deductions of what that may be instead of inciting you to anger, based on what this country perceives as "health food." I don't really care for the way you present yourself either but I wouldn't make a judgement call based on the way you do it. My baby sister died from CF in 1959. It is a lung disease. Now that I know much more than I did back then, I realize what may have caused her death and yes, my mother (bless her heart) unknowingly could have probably prevented it. There is more info now but most people simply refuse to believe it can be as simple as it seems. I do believe it.
Is shoot the messenger the new mantra here.
You have no idea what my politics are. Do you know who Richard Cohen is? He is a very far left liberal columnist and he thought it was over the line. See, this is why no one, from anywhere, can have a discussion with people on this board. If someone doesn't agree with you, they are a *neocon* whatever the heck that is. I find that mindset disturbing. You are not worth arguing with. All you can do is label. Pathetic.
Slaying the messenger in this manner
perfectly illustrates the point this poster has made with such concise eloquence.
And you're very good at shooting the messenger.
It wouldn't matter what I posted here. You've already made up your mind that you hate me, and that's all there is to it. I could come in tomorrow and say I think Bush is the best president we've ever had, but you'd still attack me personally.
If you look at every single thread I have started here, I have never ONCE personally attacked a poster. I have always attacked an administration that is incompetent, dishonest and downright dangerous. The responses I have received have been attacks directed personally at me. Yet, when I respond in kind to those attacks, I'm crucified. If you're going to start the personal stuff, be prepared to get some of it right back at you.
If you disagree, why can't you discuss the reason you disagree? Why must you and the others always personally attack a poster? Must be because you simply can't defend your position, which is understandable.
I hope you have a very nice day. It would be very nice to have an intelligent, legitimate debate with you someday, one directed at the issues and not at a poster you have decided to hate.
Whoa - hold on - Don't shoot the messenger
As that saying goes "Don't shoot the messenger". I was just passing on an article I thought was interesting. I have no idea if it was from a conservative or liberal view point. If I find another article that goes opposite will be happy to pass that on too. I'm for neither and probably won't even vote this fall because I don't want to have the responsibility if the "bad one" is picked that I would have contributed. Just thought this point of view was interesting.
attack once again
I am not bitter, I am not hateful. I know what is good for the country and it isnt what is in Washington, DC right now. The proof is there by the way this country is going to hell in a handbasket. I want this country to turn around and become the country I grew up with, the country I was once proud to be a part of. Im fighting to turn the craziness around for future generations and the way to do it is to speak and debate and let the people know there is another way to run this country other than what we have right now. You are the one who is getting so hot headed and attacking me and calling me vile, hateful, etc. Im just debating and stating my political stance and putting the blame where it belongs..on this administration. When something is wrong, I say so. I do not give my respect blindly. The administration, whether republican or democrat, earns my respect and this administration has not earned my trust, loyalty or respect. The 1990s were a great time, we had a surplus, no major terrorist war going on, no terrorist breeding ground of our own making as we now have, Saddam was contained and his people at least had electricity, jobs, food, a stable life, we had low unemployment. The 1980s were a great time too. The reality now is we are in a terrible situation in this country and we are not respected around the world. We really have no friends that will help us in Iraq, the ones that are there are pulling out..Italy in 09/2005 and now the talking heads are stating the British might just put pressure on Blair to start pulling out. We are in a situation of this administrations doing and Im not willing to just sit quietly and let the powers that be continue to drive us deeper and deeper into world wide insanity.
why must you ALWAYS attack?
How does it feel, MT? How does it feel to be painted in the same picture as terrorists? Not too nice, hun? Well, that is how I felt when you said I would chain myself to the gates at the WH and blow myself up (not exact words), when you grouped me in with terrorists. You have a big habit of calling people insane, crazy, lunatic and this makes me wonder if your sanity is intact as when others post, they do not attack personally but you always do. If the poster does not agree with you or posts something that you do not like, they are labeled insane or other not so nice words. Cant you debate without attacking?
You have done nothing but attack
every single poster on this board. You are rude, crude, obnoxious, insulting and totally intolerant. I realize these are considered compliments in your narrow-minded circles, but most reasonable Americans don't care for people who behave as you insist on behaving.
How's it feel to be treated the way you treat others?
Nuff said.
once again a mad dog attack by the right
You dont think rationally. Where on this board did anyone state Bush caused the hurricane? Just fling your hate towards the liberals and your baseless arguments. First of all, Bush isnt doing anything to help the victims of the hurricane, the workers are, the police, fire fighters, government workers, etc.
Attack?
This is a bit of a quandry. Again, you feel the need to label me. What if I am none of those things? I have never attacked, used a harsh word, made an accusation, nor called a name on this board. I HAVE made observations based on what I see. I am not sure how you conduct discourse with people in your life outside of this board, but I would like to assume that others are allowed their own set of values and facts without being labeled and without specious statements being made against them.
to attack, I would have to
consider you a threat. Unfortunately, I just find your repetitive posts mind-numbingly feeble. You look up a word on Google like socialist, read the two-line definition and then post it over and over and over. You have no depth of knowledge on any of the subjects discussed here and so your posts are absolutely worthless. It is like having to tolerate a homely little first-grader at a book club discussing Shakesphere. You think you are cute and smart, but the adults loathe you.
Only the ones who continually attack and lie.
You're disturbed because I proved (yet again) that she's a liar, but you're not disturbed that she maliciously attacks each and every single poster who dares to even THINK about disagreeing with her?
Tells me pretty much all I need to know about you. 
If you like liars and bullies, go back to the Conservative boad.
May God help us all if we get another terror attack.
This president has ignored every single thing ever suggested to him, even as it regards terrorism. I wonder what the terrorists will be planning for us in the future and how much information and knowledge they've learned from this about our weak spots. They must see American frustration with Bush's incompetence, and they must really be enjoying that. This is AMERICA. We're supposed to have our act together.
I don't see this as an attack and obviously neither did Lurker. sm
Please look to your own back yard.
It was not meant as an attack, I
that it might not be the wisest idea to go to a *liberal* board and call yourself something that runs counter to their belief system, and then expect to be treated like a long-lost son.
Further, I said the Democrats frustrate me to no end, and it is precisely for the very reasons you stated. They were too afraid of being branded as **unpatriotic** and **unsupportive of the troops**, blah,blah,blah. In their defense, however, sometimes they simply have not had the votes to over ride the president's agenda. Thank goodness for people like Murtha.
I apologize if you felt I was attacking you, as I think we have found some common ground. I think the other thing that happens is that sometimes words, if not chosen extra carefully, can come off sounding what they are not.
see...that's the thing. It's your right to attack if you want....
and I defend that right. But your way of handling opposition is akin to jack-booted thugs and arm-twisting. If that is the way you choose to voice your opposition, more power to you. Don't understand it, but don't have to. It is certainly your right. Whatever floats your boat.
I don't care how much you attack me....
go ahead. Apparently that is what gets your ticker going. Knock yourself out.
If you can't refute, attack.........nm
nm
If you can't refute, attack. lol. nm
nm
When you can't refute, you attack. lol. nm
nm
Again, you can't refute, so you attack....
which reflects more negatively on you than on me.
Your posts provide no useful information...you employ the Alinsky method, if you don't know anything about the subject you just attack. If you knew anything about socialism, about black liberation theology, had bothered to read Obama's agenda and still concluded he was not a socialist you are so far in denial a backhoe could not dig you out.
Actually, it is Shakespeare. Perhaps you would be better served to pay more attention to the homely first-grader...you adult, you. lol.
Sounded like an attack to me. And in the..
grand scheme of things, why is it important to you that I admit I am something I am not??
ACK! HEART ATTACK!
Did someone just apologize on this board?!?!??!
By golly I think we are gettin somewhere! Maybe we ain't all rurnt!
(South Georgia :-D )
You people who attack
Sarah Palin for her lack of experience just kill me here. You discredit all the experience she has by saying that being governor means nothing when previous presidents were governors prior to their presidency. She has run a state and has done a successful job at it and yet you Obama supports refuse to see that. You feel more compelled to discuss her clothes or how she should stay home with the kids instead of running for office. Which is a horribly sexist thing to say.
You refuse to see anything positive she has done in her career and cry that she lacks experience and yet you are so blind to see that Barrack Obama has very little experience himself. He has climbed the ladder through the help of various radicals and crooks. Obama has all these associations with radicals and racists people and you see nothing wrong with that? He has requested more spending for earmarks and pork in 4 years than John McCain has during his whole career. Obama wants to spend more of OUR money.
Government has really messed things up. Why do we want bigger government when government has already failed us? Yet here we are putting our trust in a man who has questionable associations just because he promises change.....change that he can't possibly deliver on and if he does......there goes the country. He wants more government spending, higher taxes, and bigger government.
I'm sorry but I want smaller government, less government spending, and don't raise taxes during a recession.
Or another terror attack. Or a
biological attack. Or a flu pandemic. Lots of scenarios available for his use. 
I share your fears 100%.
You must mean a terrorIST attack, because sm
We are attacked by people who call themselves terrorists. Unless of course, you have terror attacks like some people have panic attacks.
A financial attack?
Tell that to the thousands who lost their lives or their loved ones that day. Wow, how cold can you be?
Cyber attack has hit
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/11/20/pentagon-cyber-siege-unprecedented-attack/
The Pentagon has suffered from a cyber attack so alarming that it has taken the unprecedented step of banning the use of external hardware devices, such as flash drives and DVD's, FOX News has learned.
The attack came in the form of a global virus or worm that is spreading rapidly throughout a number of military networks.
"We have detected a global virus for which there has been alerts, and we have seen some of this on our networks," a Pentagon official told FOX News. "We are now taking steps to mitigate the virus."
The official could not reveal the source of the attack because that information remains classified.
"Daily there are millions of scans of the GIG, but for security reasons we don't discuss the number of actual intrusions or attempts, or discuss specific measures commanders in the field may be taking to protect and defend our networks," the department said in an official statement.
Military computers are often referred to as part of the Global Information Grid, or GIG, a system composed of 17 million computers, many of which house classified or sensitive information.
FOX News obtained a copy of one memo sent out last week to an Army division within the Pentagon warning of the cyber attack.
"Due to the presence of commercial malware, CDR USSTRATCOM has banned the use of removable media (thumb drives, CDRs/DVDRs, floppy disks) on all DoD networks and computers effective immediately."
how was that a personal attack?
telling you you aren't better than everyone? At least I'm not callng people mentally challenged. yes i know that wasn't you, you are the friend that just laughs along with the bully...
and if you wanna point fingers about me not responding the way you think I should have, i dont see you responding to the person giving their opinion on what trickle up means...
give it a rest it's freaking Christmas time
you obviously HAVE to have the last word so i'll let you have it. pretty pathetic that you spend your time trying to cut other people down... is that also a personal attack?
Right. Where they can plot again to attack us.
nm
It was more of an attack of the protestors by the
xx
No one seriously questions that the attack on
Actually, I'm embarassed that our notion of "torture" is so wimpy. "You can put a caterpillar in his cell, but you must inform him that it is not a stinging caterpillar". PUHLEEZE.
What is pathetic is you liberals calling any of this torture - which you are doing purely to make political points, pure and simple. How people like Jews who survived the Holocaust and who have really been tortured must laugh at your quaint ideas!
"Oooh - they gave a prisoner a nasty look! Oooh - they spoke loudly to a prisoner! Oooh - they piped bad music into their cells! Oooh - they burned the prisoner's toast! Oooh - they didn't fluff the prisoner's pillows! Oooh - they opened the prisoner's mail! Oooh - they didn't give the prisoner a second helping of Beef Wellington!"
You people make me sick, and it makes me sick to think that, thanks to Obama, what AL Qaida actually knows is that our notion of torture amounts to nothing more painful than making them watch old episodes of "I Love Lucy" (with a doctor in attendance, of course, in case the prisoner faints from boredom).
I just hope we can all survive it and that the next attack isn't
smallpox, because after 4 years, we STILL don't have enough vaccines to protect Americans. That's something that should have been a priority, but you're right. He doesn't care how many people die under his watch. He said so himself regarding his legacy: He'll be dead.
I'm sure not celebrating what he does. All I can do is hold my breath for the next 3 years and hope he can do no further HARM of a permanent nature.
I wonder how many American deaths he's going to be responsible for through neglect and obsession with Iraq before the end of 2008.
And yes, I'm angry because I think we're morally STUCK in Iraq. Bush broke it, and we will all be fixing it for generations to come.
Better than a yellow dog attack by a liberal. SM
And if you would look, Cindy Sheehan and Robert Kennedy Jr. said it.
How about stepping out of attack mode for just one sec. sm
You can't even put aside your Bush hatred. You use it to decry a human diaster just a few days old. I picture you perched on the edge of your DE-VAN, head thrust forward, scanning the channels for stories you can plug into the DU, get the info, and post it here. PEOPLE ARE DYING, SUFFERING. What is WRONG with you!!!!
lets debate, not attack
Do I, really? I only attack when I am attacked and anyone looking over the posts, archives and all, will see that..Post something to debate and I will debate, however, dont start throwing insults during the debate if it isnt going your way..which has happened..I can remember a debate on Global Warming..We debated, as soon as it was looking good towards my opinion, I was told I knew nothing, I was stupid, etc..You want a debate..lets do it..I belonged to the debate club of my college, I love debates..Come on..introduce something to debate on and I will debate you, as I bet so will other liberals..Lets debate and stop attacking..attacks gets us no where, debates just might open a few eyes..
You consider *it would be so nice if you weren't here* an attack? sm
Wow.
An example of your attack.. See below where I posted an editorial
w
That's the problem, they can't attack Fitzgerald...sm
I liked when one of the reports suggested that he would be seen as a political hack and he responded *to which party?* I think it's good that this not be a politically motivated special prosecutor just one who wants justice. I like Fitzgerald I think with his attitude and integrity he would make an awesome president!!!
Her true reason is to attack.
She made that abundantly clear in her post. I'm just ignoring her from now on. She's not worth the hassle. 
I think he is bracing himself for the attack dogs first.sm
Like everyone else, he knows what the consequences are for speaking out. I'm sure the MSM have a smear campaign planned if he does.
An example - UW professor still under attack for beliefs.sm
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/local/index.php?ntid=90930&ntpid=1
This post was not an attack against Bush...sm
Even though WE were the slow on the draw, and I think the pres needs to work on that.
Your response was not so typical (well maybe) because I don't see where Bush is getting bashed here, but if you feel you must bring that up he should be working on a Crisis Intervention Task Force - a group who can think fast and make sound, quick decisions in times of crisis involving American Citizens.
Quite frankly, the media is being VERY unfair to the people who were trapped in Lebanon calling them whiners, ingrates, etc. When they speak they are not singling out people who complained (which I don't care if they complained, and why should you?), they speak as if the whole group was ingrateful, complained, and deserved to stay in the middle of a war zone.
Why don't watch the clip in the link above? You might get a different perspective yourself.
Their best defense is an ad hominem attack against us. sm
That's the most I will say. I don't want them running to the moderator. 
What I said was hardly a personal attack, Fern. sm
It was an observation. I think I know who you are, hiding there behind all those forest nicknames.
|
