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I just hope we can all survive it and that the next attack isn't

Posted By: a bio attack with on 2005-07-08
In Reply to: Shrub - vt

smallpox, because after 4 years, we STILL don't have enough vaccines to protect Americans.  That's something that should have been a priority, but you're right.  He doesn't care how many people die under his watch.  He said so himself regarding his legacy:  He'll be dead. 


I'm sure not celebrating what he does.  All I can do is hold my breath for the next 3 years and hope he can do no further HARM of a permanent nature.


I wonder how many American deaths he's going to be responsible for through neglect and obsession with Iraq before the end of 2008.


And yes, I'm angry because I think we're morally STUCK in Iraq.  Bush broke it, and we will all be fixing it for generations to come.


 




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    There's metal walls in the thing too.  I hadn't thought of it but I bet it is a fall out shelter.  We also have a storm cellar that is said to have been here since the Civil War.  This underground contraption is a little far from the house to be a storm cellar.  Anyhow, I'm kinda glad it's here.  We may have use for it.


    Yep, it's a good idea to pick that buckshot out of squirrels.LOL  Haven't had squirrel in years but I recall it was tasty.  Deer are pleniful too.  Saw 3 yesterday in a 6 mile stretch that had been hit by cars.


     


    I think the country can survive

    if this debate is postponed as elections are in November.  However, our economic crisis is happening RIGHT NOW and if something isn't done soon.....God help us all. 


    IF they survive in their own country.... sm
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    Can the Democratic Party Survive
    http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/s/shore/2005/shore022805.htm
    If we survived BUSH, we can survive anything!
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    15 Companies That Might Not Survive 2009

    Who's next?


    With consumers shutting their wallets and corporate revenues plunging, the business landscape may start to resemble a graveyard in 2009. Household names like Circuit City and Linens 'n Things have already perished. And chances are, those bankruptcies were just an early warning sign of a much broader epidemic.


    Moody's Investors Service, for instance, predicts that the default rate on corporate bonds - which foretells bankruptcies - will be three times higher in 2009 than in 2008, and 15 times higher than in 2007. That could equate to 25 significant bankruptcies per month.


    We examined ratings from Moody's and data from other sources to develop a short list of potential victims that ought to be familiar to most consumers. Many of these firms are in industries directly hit by the slowdown in consumer spending, such as retail, automotive, housing and entertainment.


    But there are other common threads. Most of these firms have limited cash for a rainy day, and a lot of debt, with large interest payments due over the next year. In ordinary times, it might not be so hard to refinance loans, or get new ones, to help keep the cash flowing. But in an acute credit crunch it's a different story, and at companies where sales are down and going lower, skittish lenders may refuse to grant any more credit. It's a terrible time to be cash-poor.


    That's why Moody's assigns most of these firms its lowest rating for short-term liquidity. And all the firms on this list have long-term debt that Moody's rates Caa or lower, which means the borrower is considered at least a "very high" credit risk.


    Once a company defaults on its debt, or fails to make a payment, the next step is usually a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing. Some firms continue to operate while in Chapter 11, retaining many of their employees. Those firms often shed debt, restructure, and emerge from bankruptcy as healthier companies.


    But it takes fresh financing to do that, and with money scarce, more bankrupt firms than usual are likely to liquidate - like Circuit City. That's why corporate failures are likely to be a major drag on the economy in 2009: In a liquidation, the entire workforce often gets axed, with little or no severance. That will only add to unemployment, which could hit 9 or even 10 percent by the end of the year.


    It's possible that none of the firms on this list will liquidate, or even declare Chapter 11. Some may come up with unexpected revenue or creative financing that helps avert bankruptcy, while others could be purchased in whole or in part by creditors or other investors. But one way or another, the following 15 firms will probably look a lot different a year from now than they do today:


    Rite Aid. (Ticker symbol: RAD; about 100,000 employees; 1-year stock-price decline: 92%). This drugstore chain tried to boost its performance by acquiring competitors Brooks and Eckerd in 2007. But there have been some nasty side effects, like a huge debt load that makes it the most leveraged drugstore chain in the U.S., according to Zacks Equity Research. That big retail investment came just as megadiscounter Wal-Mart was starting to sell prescription drugs, and consumers were starting to cut bank on spending. Management has twice lowered its outlook for 2009. Prognosis: Mounting losses, with no turnaround in sight.


    Claire's Stores. (Privately owned; about 18,000 employees.) Leon Black's once-renowned private-equity firm, the Apollo Group, paid $3.1 billion for this trendy teen-focused accessory store in 2007, when buyout funds were bulging. But cash flow has been negative for much of the past year and analysts believe Claire's is close to defaulting on its debt. A horrible retail outlook for 2009 offers no relief, suggesting Claire's could follow Linens 'n Things - another Apollo purchase - and declare Chapter 11, possibly shuttering all of its 3,000-plus stores.


    Chrysler. (Privately owned; about 55,000 employees). It's never a good sign when management insists the company is not going out of business, which is what CEO Bob Nardelli has been doing lately. Of the three Detroit automakers, Chrysler is the most endangered, with a product portfolio that's overreliant on gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs and almost totally devoid of compelling small cars. A recent deal with Fiat seems dubious, since the Italian automaker doesn't have to pony up any money, and Chrysler desperately needs cash. The company is quickly burning through $4 billion in government bailout money, and with car sales down 40 percent from recent peaks, Chrysler may be the weakling that can't cut it in tough times.


    Dollar Thrifty Automotive Group. (DTG; about 7,000 employees; stock down 95%). This car-rental company is a small player compared to Enterprise, Hertz, and Avis Budget. It's also more reliant on leisure travelers, and therefore more susceptible to a downturn as consumers cut spending. Dollar Thrifty is also closely tied to Chrysler, which supplies 80 percent of its fleet. Moody's predicts that if Chrysler declares Chapter 11, Dollar Thrifty would suffer deeply as well.


    Realogy Corp. (Privately owned; about 13,000 employees). It's the biggest real-estate brokerage firm in the country, but that's a bad thing when there are double-digit declines in both sales and prices, as there were in 2009. Realogy, which includes the Coldwell Banker, ERA, and Sotheby's franchises, also carries a high debt load, dating to its purchase by the Apollo Group in 2007 - the very moment when the housing market was starting to invert from a soaring ride into a sickening nosedive. Realogy has been trying to refinance much of its debt, prompting lawsuits. One deal was denied by a judge in December, reducing the firm's already tight wiggle room.


    Station Casinos. (Privately owned, about 14,000 employees). Las Vegas has already been creamed by a biblical real-estate bust, and now it may face the loss of its home-grown gambling joints, too. Station - which runs 15 casinos off the strip that cater to locals - recently failed to make a key interest payment, which is often one of the last steps before a Chapter 11 filing. For once, the house seems likely to lose.


    Loehmann's Capital Corp. (Privately owned; about 1,500 employees). This clothing chain has the right formula for lean times, offering women's clothing at discount prices. But the consumer pullback is hitting just about every retailer, and Loehmann's has a lot less cash to ride out a drought than competitors like Nordstrom Rack and TJ Maxx. If Loehmann's doesn't get additional financing in 2009 - a dicey proposition, given skyrocketing unemployment and plunging spending - the chain could run out of cash.


    Sbarro. (Privately owned; about 5,500 employees). It's not the pizza that's the problem. Many of this chain's 1,100 storefronts are in malls, which is a double whammy: Traffic is down, since consumers have put away their wallets. Sbarro can't really boost revenue by adding a breakfast or late-night menu, like other chains have done. And competitors like Domino's and Pizza Hut have less debt and stronger cash flow, which could intensify pressure on Sbarro as key debt payments come due in 2009.


    Six Flags. (SIX; about 30,000 employees; stock down 84%). This theme-park operator has been losing money for several years, and selling off properties to try to pay down debt and get back into the black. But the ride may end prematurely. Moody's expects cash flow to be negative in 2009, and if consumers aren't spending during the peak summer season, that could imperil the company's ability to pay debts coming due later this year and in 2010.


    Blockbuster. (BBI; about 60,000 employees; stock down 57%). The video-rental chain has burned cash while trying to figure out how to maximize fees without alienating customers. Its operating income has started to improve just as consumers are cutting back, even on movies. Video stores in general are under pressure as they compete with cable and Internet operators offering the same titles. A key test of Blockbuster's viability will come when two credit lines expire in August. One possible outcome, according to Valueline, is that investors take the company private and then go public again when market conditions are better.


    Krispy Kreme. (KKD; about 4,000 employees; stock down 50%). The donuts might be good, but Krispy Kreme overestimated Americans' appetite - and that's saying something. This chain overexpanded during the donut heyday of the 1990s - taking on a lot of debt - and now requires high volumes to meet expenses and interest payments. The company has cut costs and closed underperforming stores, but still hasn't earned an operating profit in three years. And now that consumers are cutting back on everything, such improvements may fail to offset top-line declines, leading Krispy Kreme to seek some kind of relief from lenders over the next year.


    Landry's Restaurants. (LNY; about 17,000 employees; stock down 66%). This restaurant chain, which operates Chart House, Rainforest Café, and other eateries, needs $400 million in new financing to finalize a buyout deal dating to last June. If lenders come through, the company should have enough cash to ride out the recession. But at least two banks have already balked, leading to downgrades of the company's debt and the prospect of a cash-flow crunch.


    Sirius Satellite Radio. (SIRI - parent company; about 1,000 employees; stock down 96%). The music rocks, but satellite radio has yet to be profitable, and huge contracts for performers like Howard Stern are looking unsustainable. Sirius is one of two satellite-radio services owned by parent company Sirius XM, which was formed when Sirius and XM merged last year. So far, the merger hasn't generated the savings needed to make the company profitable, and Moody's thinks there's a "high likelihood" that Sirius will fail to repay or refinance its debt in 2009. One outcome could be a takeover, at distressed prices, by other firms active in the satellite business.


    Trump Entertainment Resorts Holdings. (TRMP; about 9,500 employees; stock down 94%). The casino company made famous by The Donald has received several extensions on interest payments, while it tries to sell at least one of its Atlantic City properties and pay down a stack of debt. But with casino buyers scarce, competition circling, and gamblers nursing their losses from the recession, Trump Entertainment may face long odds of skirting bankruptcy.


    BearingPoint. (BGPT; about 16,000 employees; stock down 21%). This Virginia-based consulting firm, spun out of KPMG in 2001, is struggling to solve its own operating problems. The firm has consistently lost money, revenue has been falling, and management stopped issuing earnings guidance in 2008. Stable government contracts generate about 30 percent of the firm's business, but the firm may sell other divisions to help pay off debt. With a key interest payment due in April, management needs to hustle - or devise its own exit strategy.


     


    The pubs will not survive if they continue to . . . .
    let the Evangelicals control them! 
    If this nation is to survive, it is no longer US VERSUS THEM, we have to find a way to .....sm
    stand united, and when our representatives are proposing or propositioning or supporing something that is NOT supported by the PEOPLE, their constituents, then we have to make calls, write letters, fax, vote, ect. I believe this two party system is doomed and that it is antiquated, there is such an ideological wall between the two parties that nothing will get done with all the finger pointing, blaming, etc. The American people are wise enough to know what is good for them, what works for them (and I mean a majority of us, not "chosen few" of Wall Street, lobbyists, oil interests, etc)., the representatives have to come back to the people. So sick of the blame game and insults, if we love this country and "the American way of life" we had all better band together, work together, LISTEN to each other's fears and needs, and concentrate on now and THE FUTURE, the long-haul. Just my humble opinion, this is all getting old and tired, and such a waste of time and energy. Instead of insulting on this board, perhaps we can spend time getting in touch with our representatives' offices, and perhaps getting a broader base of support for the Independent Party (isn't independce what we are all about?) IMHO
    she isnt the OP, I am
    and how do you know that it is a lie?  Besides that article did not say that he IS just like Hitler.  The man was comparing some of Os ideas to that of some of Hitlers programs that he started up upon gaining power.  And there is NO lie in that.  It is just like the bailout, these are socialists principles, the gov buying stock in banks and owning some of our major corporations, is this a lie too?
    Someone is looking ridiculous and it isnt me
    Face to face?  What is this a threat, LOL?  Sweetie, I would tell you face to face any day what my ideology is, what my priorities are and whatever else you deem is necessary to discuss with me.  You wouldnt **let** me call you sweetie face to face?  I think you truly need to step back and take a deep breath..You are looking ridiculous.
    Isnt that just nauseating? SM

    These people who support McCAin and his whacko side show Palin just make me so ill.  Its like they just crawled out of their backwoods society to make an appearance because for once in their life they have something brought to the table that you dont even need smarts to talk about... Racism.  It doesn't take a genius to be a racist....  These people are so shallow and closed minded.  Racism to me is nauseating.  It is something I just cannot even stomach....  In the same way I cannot stomach Hitler. 


    And the whole issue of patriotism....  America is all about multiculture.  Americans come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and ethnicity...  YOu want to talk patriotism....  Then maybe you should support your "Native Americans."  If you want patriotism, then look no further than the purebreed americans.....  I mean if you are going to take it back to its roots.  Otherwise, get used to the fact that we are not all the same and get off your high horse, you stupid old white folk!!!!


    And if I have to hear one more time about how Obama is going to be "Taxing us" I could just scream.  He wont be taxing me.  I for sure do not make over 250K a year.  And for people who are concerned about "businesses" being taxed and not able to hire people.....  When was the last time you encountered a company that cared about their employees anyway...  They have been taking advantage of their employees for years.... Cutting benefits, not keeping up with pay increases, outsources rather than hire you anyway. 


    Well enought ranting for me....  All I can say is God Bless Obama!!!!!  And if he doesn't win, we are all in for some deep doo-doo.


    It isnt that simple. What you do is the same as
    nm
    too bad HE isnt president!
    Why can't we see that this stimulus is going to bring us down?
    Isnt the fall just great?
    Isnt this time of the year great?  My favorite holiday is Halloween.  Cant wait!  It has been in the 40's overnight this past week, so nice.  Now if we just could have some rain.
    Sad, isnt it? America did not become successful
    nm
    can you not read? My name isnt Chele
    lets get it straight here before you start droning on and on.
    Unemployment isnt even down to the Carter
    nm
    Isnt he terrible? I tried watching too and he comes
    nm
    karma is a b___h, isnt it, Bush?
    My parents were wise people and totally non predjudiced, non bigoted..They screwed up in many ways, but they did not pass judgment on the color of someones skin or how rich or poor someone was..and they taught me what goes around comes around..you put good into the world, you will get good back, you put bad, it will come back to you..I honesty have to say, at times it has been hard believing that cause it takes so darn long, IMO, for retribution to take place, for right to come around, however, in my life I have always seen the **bad ones** get theirs, over time it happens..karma works..I am now seeing karma once again.  Bush for five and one half years has torn our country down, has divided it's people, has pushed away the world and in turn we have lost respect throughout the world, has waged a war on innocent people..he is getting his now, his karma has come..I sit back and watch it all and am thankful to the powers that be..
    Oh geez..isnt that called *Heaven* ?
    Oh geez, me  neither, Libby, me neither..but probably not in my life time.
    At least she isnt fighting the court by refusing
    nm
    No "witchhunt", just truth. Disturbing, isnt it?
    nm
    Isnt it pitiful? Talk about stolen election!. I am in
    nm
    the moral majority spoke in CA but that isnt good enough
    They banned it, voted against it.  The state of CA spoke but the gays are not happy with that and have to march.  They will push and push till they get their way. Whether it is against God or not.  what a shame. 
    Good question.-and it ISNT fair. Notice how Obama
    nm
    Good for Joe! I hope so. And I hope he sues...
    the governor of the state of Ohio from now to next week. He should. They BIG time violated his civil rights. If this situation was reversed and he was a Dem who had asked McCain a question and a state had had him investigated, the ACLU would be all over this like ugly on an ape. Liberals only care about other liberals...they could care LESS what happens to conservatives. But yeah, they are all about civil liberties. Geez. Pull the other leg awhile.
    attack once again
    I am not bitter, I am not hateful.  I know what is good for the country and it isnt what is in Washington, DC right now.  The proof is there by the way this country is going to hell in a handbasket.  I want this country to turn around and become the country I grew up with, the country I was once proud to be a part of.  Im fighting to turn the craziness around for future generations and the way to do it is to speak and debate and let the people know there is another way to run this country other than what we have right now.  You are the one who is getting so hot headed and attacking me and calling me vile, hateful, etc.  Im just debating and stating my political stance and putting the blame where it belongs..on this administration.  When something is wrong, I say so.  I do not give my respect blindly.  The administration, whether republican or democrat, earns my respect and this administration has not earned my trust, loyalty or respect.  The 1990s were a great time, we had a surplus, no major terrorist war going on, no terrorist breeding ground of our own making as we now have, Saddam was contained and his people at least had electricity, jobs, food, a stable life, we had low unemployment.  The 1980s were a great time too.  The reality now is we are in a terrible situation in this country and we are not respected around the world.  We really have no friends that will help us in Iraq, the ones that are there are pulling out..Italy in 09/2005 and now the talking heads are stating the British might just put pressure on Blair to start pulling out.  We are in a situation of this administrations doing and Im not willing to just sit quietly and let the powers that be continue to drive us deeper and deeper into world wide insanity.
    why must you ALWAYS attack?
    How does it feel, MT?  How does it feel to be painted in the same picture as terrorists?  Not too nice, hun?  Well, that is how I felt when you said I would chain myself to the gates at the WH and blow myself up (not exact words), when you grouped me in with terrorists.  You have a big habit of calling people insane, crazy, lunatic and this makes me wonder if your sanity is intact as when others post, they do not attack personally but you always do.  If the poster does not agree with you or posts something that you do not like, they are labeled insane or other not so nice words.  Cant you debate without attacking? 
    You have done nothing but attack

    every single poster on this board.  You are rude, crude, obnoxious, insulting and totally intolerant.  I realize these are considered compliments in your narrow-minded circles, but most reasonable Americans don't care for people who behave as you insist on behaving.


    How's it feel to be treated the way you treat others?


    Nuff said.


    once again a mad dog attack by the right
    You dont think rationally.  Where on this board did anyone state Bush caused the hurricane?  Just fling your hate towards the liberals and your baseless arguments.  First of all, Bush isnt doing anything to help the victims of the hurricane, the workers are, the police, fire fighters, government workers, etc.
    Attack?
    This is a bit of a quandry. Again, you feel the need to label me. What if I am none of those things? I have never attacked, used a harsh word, made an accusation, nor called a name on this board. I HAVE made observations based on what I see. I am not sure how you conduct discourse with people in your life outside of this board, but I would like to assume that others are allowed their own set of values and facts without being labeled and without specious statements being made against them.
    to attack, I would have to

    consider you a threat.  Unfortunately, I just find your repetitive posts mind-numbingly feeble.  You look up a word on Google like socialist, read the two-line definition and then post it over and over and over.  You have no depth of knowledge on any of the subjects discussed here and so your posts are absolutely worthless.  It is like having to tolerate a homely little first-grader at a book club discussing Shakesphere.  You think you are cute and smart, but the adults loathe you.


     


    Only the ones who continually attack and lie.

    You're disturbed because I proved (yet again) that she's a liar, but you're not disturbed that she maliciously attacks each and every single poster who dares to even THINK about disagreeing with her?


    Tells me pretty much all I need to know about you. 


    If you like liars and bullies, go back to the Conservative boad.


    May God help us all if we get another terror attack.

    This president has ignored every single thing ever suggested to him, even as it regards terrorism.  I wonder what the terrorists will be planning for us in the future and how much information and knowledge they've learned from this about our weak spots.  They must see American frustration with Bush's incompetence, and they must really be enjoying that.  This is AMERICA.  We're supposed to have our act together.


    I don't see this as an attack and obviously neither did Lurker. sm
    Please look to your own back yard. 
    It was not meant as an attack, I
    that it might not be the wisest idea to go to a *liberal* board and call yourself something that runs counter to their belief system, and then expect to be treated like a long-lost son.

    Further, I said the Democrats frustrate me to no end, and it is precisely for the very reasons you stated. They were too afraid of being branded as **unpatriotic** and **unsupportive of the troops**, blah,blah,blah. In their defense, however, sometimes they simply have not had the votes to over ride the president's agenda. Thank goodness for people like Murtha.

    I apologize if you felt I was attacking you, as I think we have found some common ground. I think the other thing that happens is that sometimes words, if not chosen extra carefully, can come off sounding what they are not.
    see...that's the thing. It's your right to attack if you want....
    and I defend that right. But your way of handling opposition is akin to jack-booted thugs and arm-twisting. If that is the way you choose to voice your opposition, more power to you. Don't understand it, but don't have to. It is certainly your right. Whatever floats your boat.
    I don't care how much you attack me....
    go ahead. Apparently that is what gets your ticker going. Knock yourself out.
    attack the messenger

    Here we go again - Rove's tactic of personal attacks on those who bring forth damaging information. Media matters states inaccuracies of the press on both sides.  They back their statements up with proof and facts.  You can argue they are "left" "right" "middle" or "ovoid" but they still present information and back it up with verifiable facts.


     


    If you can't refute, attack.........nm
    nm
    If you can't refute, attack. lol. nm
    nm
    When you can't refute, you attack. lol. nm
    nm
    Again, you can't refute, so you attack....
    which reflects more negatively on you than on me.

    Your posts provide no useful information...you employ the Alinsky method, if you don't know anything about the subject you just attack. If you knew anything about socialism, about black liberation theology, had bothered to read Obama's agenda and still concluded he was not a socialist you are so far in denial a backhoe could not dig you out.

    Actually, it is Shakespeare. Perhaps you would be better served to pay more attention to the homely first-grader...you adult, you. lol.
    Sounded like an attack to me. And in the..
    grand scheme of things, why is it important to you that I admit I am something I am not??
    ACK! HEART ATTACK!
    Did someone just apologize on this board?!?!??!


    By golly I think we are gettin somewhere! Maybe we ain't all rurnt!

    (South Georgia :-D )
    You people who attack

    Sarah Palin for her lack of experience just kill me here.  You discredit all the experience she has by saying that being governor means nothing when previous presidents were governors prior to their presidency.  She has run a state and has done a successful job at it and yet you Obama supports refuse to see that.  You feel more compelled to discuss her clothes or how she should stay home with the kids instead of running for office.  Which is a horribly sexist thing to say. 


    You refuse to see anything positive she has done in her career and cry that she lacks experience and yet you are so blind to see that Barrack Obama has very little experience himself.  He has climbed the ladder through the help of various radicals and crooks.  Obama has all these associations with radicals and racists people and you see nothing wrong with that?  He has requested more spending for earmarks and pork in 4 years than John McCain has during his whole career.  Obama wants to spend more of OUR money. 


    Government has really messed things up.  Why do we want bigger government when government has already failed us?  Yet here we are putting our trust in a man who has questionable associations just because he promises change.....change that he can't possibly deliver on and if he does......there goes the country.  He wants more government spending, higher taxes, and bigger government. 


    I'm sorry but I want smaller government, less government spending, and don't raise taxes during a recession.


    Or another terror attack. Or a

    biological attack.  Or a flu pandemic.  Lots of scenarios available for his use. 


    I share your fears 100%.


    You must mean a terrorIST attack, because sm
    We are attacked by people who call themselves terrorists. Unless of course, you have terror attacks like some people have panic attacks.
    A financial attack?
    Tell that to the thousands who lost their lives or their loved ones that day. Wow, how cold can you be?