but whoa, what about Biden
Posted By: sm on 2008-10-22
In Reply to: Al-Qaida endorses McCain! - Educated Voter
guaranteeing that we would have a "crisis" in the first 6 months of an Obama presidency -- as the enemy would definitely test him -- and as frosting on the cake, biden then saying, "it may not look like we will be handling it right", but "we will!" Good grief. If you care about the safety of Americans, you better vote McCain/Palin.
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Joe Biden-Hunter Biden..so much for change
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/08/hunter-biden-joe-biden-anthony-lotito.php
Whoa! So much for the
to the White House! Looks like they're in for a major a** whuppin' and they deserve it. Thanks, gt.
Whoa!!
"would much rather live in an environment of mutual respect, cooperation and tolerance, rather than taking the fearful, suspicious, paranoid, cold-blooded, hateful, exclusionary approach you and your buddies are promoting."
Whoa Nellie!!! Do you know the difference between legal and illegal???? I am all for LEGAL immigration. I would not thank anyone to come invade my home and demand their right to do so nor do I thank those coming into our country ILLEGALLY for doing the same thing.
As for Houston, once again I can't quite get a grip on your perspective. If you're happy in Sharpstown, more power to ya but most of the people I know who still live in Houston certainly don't share your view. If memory serves me correctly, didn't they close the 59 flea market because of high crime? As for Bellaire, it used to be a pretty elite neighborhood but I doubt it is now.
Thanks for the "education" anyway.
Whoa...(sm)
Don't put her in the "no faith" column. We don't want her either...LOL. We may not believe in God, but we do believe in decency.
LOL whoa
are you a flame or are you "for real"?
some of the biddies in this political section are a riot.
talk about low class and the rougher side of a sentence.
Whoa!
Who gets $6,000 back in EIC with no taxes taken out of their checks? How many kids do they have? I get EIC, but have taxes deducted. Also, if you make over a certain amount per year, the EIC goes down. One year I didn't even qualify because I made too much - Yes, being an MT was good once. I do admit the EIC should only be given to people that WORK! I don't understand how people get it with no job. Sorry, I need to go back and read the rest of your post now. Got a little side tracked with the EIC thing.
Whoa again!
I had no idea! Do you want to know something embarrassing? I didn't even know about earned income credit until my child was 10 years old. I was raised with such a Republican attitude I couldn't even give money back to myself!! GEEZ!! I would do my own taxes and didn't know I could claim it. Then one year I did Turbo Tax and was like WT&*&*&&!!!!! Be glad I'm not an accountant or doing your payroll!
Okay, I just IM'd my loser SIL and asked how much she got back. She said $6200. I'm ticked now. She buys groceries for her grandma once a week and pretends that is a real job. 
Forget everything else I have said tonight. Arrghhhh!!!
Whoa...hold on there.
This is/was a good board with some good folks. PERHAPS she just hadn't seen these posts.....maybe....hope that's the case.
Otherwise, I agree that it's probably time to boycott this board. I have long been aware of the definite bias of the powers that be. But I still hold out hope for fairness in the long run. And I was banned on the conservative board for calling someone stupid!!!! (which I shouldn't have, I admit).
Whoa and hold on!!!
First and foremost, please express my personal appreciation to your husband for his service to this country. By no means would I EVER ridicule a military person. They have served and DIED for the freedom we have and they continue to do so. I say the war in Iraq is ridiculous and that is my personal opinion. I think it was wrong from the getgo and I think it is WRONG to put our service men and woman in harm's way with many of them sacrificing their lives needlessly. There has never been peace in the middle east and there never will be (IMO) all the way back to biblical times.
Bush's "excuse" for the war was to capture or kill bin Laden wasn't it? So why has that not been done? Because, again in my opinion, the war is not against terrorism but about the wealthy oil barons.
AND, I pray for you and your husband. You too are making a great sacrifice and, again, your husband is serving his country and for that he deserves and gets from me the utmost respect whether or not I happen to agree with the politicians who sent him to war. May he be safe and soon return to you.
Whoa! Who said I am a Democrat?
I have been a registered independent since my state changed the law to allow independents to vote in the primary.
Whoa! No one said all cults are
I have no idea where you got that out of the previous posts. Not only is it not true, it doesn't even make sense. What was said was that, by definition, Christianity is a cult. No one ever said all cults are Christian.
Whoa there partner
Back up the train. Fox news isn't blaming illegal immigrants for swine flu. Did you get that spin from MSNBC? The swine flu did get started in Mexico so anyone traveling to and from Mexico, including illegals, are a potential threat of spreading the flu. That is common sense.
As for N. Korea.....regardless of whether they are going to test their missiles just for sh!t and giggles or so they can nuke someone.....a threat is a threat and there is no reason why the UN should apologize.
Whoa Nelly...
If I can't say something is right or wrong, according to God's word, how do I teach my children right from wrong? Oh, maybe that's why so many don't and their children experiment in sinful acts. Never mind.....LOL
Whoa, where did you learn math??
You cannot do your calculations based on the fact that everyone in the lower 48 and Hawaii would NOT vote for her!!
Whoa! Nice move there sm
In a below post you stated that Obama had voted against the new GI bill. I posted a website that would directly link you to the US Senate voting record for that bill which, by the way, does show a big Yea for Obama. Your response was "the facts, just the facts," and that people on this board are obsessed with that (I'm assuming the facts). And now you post some BS from Fox News? Unreal.
Whoa, wait just 1 minute s/m
My husband gets a pretty good retirement check each month so I would argue they didn't QUITE steal all the pension money.
whoa - hold on there - see message
I have been extremely busy these past couple weeks and hardly come here anymore, but I have read a lot of comments and take offense to this. I have seen plenty of intelligent conversations by both sides (and some no so intelligent - get it?). You seem to like to have divisions between one side and the other, and your comments will always be that the liberals are the "all knowing, intelligent ones" and then "them pubs". This country will never be united with thinking like that. Both sides have good and both sides have bad. But I'll bet a lot of people on this board are more in the middle and sick and tired of the elitist liberals and the uber-conservatives. Why can't people just have a good conversation without condescending messages like this?
Whoa there, kam....what pro life Republicans are you talking about?
I NEVER said I did not want to help those who genuinely need help. I already help to the tune of 30-35% of my wages off the top. What I said was it has to END somewhere and the government needs to learn to make do with what they have, like many American families have to do. Just imagine the amount of money with anywhere from 20-40% off the top of checks of all the workers in America...that is a LOT of money there, kam. If programs are prioritized that should be sufficient to take care of the most needy. What is wrong with asking the government to be fiscally responsible? Why is that so wrong in your eyes?
That is another argument I don't understand. Let's abort the kids just in case they might be abused later in life. Abused children don't come from just underprivileged homes. Abuse has nothing to do with socioeconomic circumstances, it has to do with the emotional makeup of the abuser. So I suppose next we should be looking at people who are "likely to abuse" and sterilize all of them?
I agree with fostering...why not fund it better than it is, instead of putting federal funds to aborting children? I would be all for that. The fostering system SHOULD pay those families more to take care of those children, and there is also abuse in the fostering system, they need to be vetted more carefully. Another better use for federal funds than to fund abortion. Fostering is a very worthy program, probably more than a LOT of them, and that is why the welfare system needs to be overhauled and not more money thrown at it. I don't understand why you have a problem with that.
Every life starts inside a woman's body, kam. Partial birth abortions are often much later in the pregnancy, and they actually turn the baby into breech so that the head is still inside the body and the baby's body is born first, so that it could not possibly take a breath, because it is so abhorent to people to think it would take a breath and THEN have it's skull collapsed and its brain literally sucked out of its head. That is murder, plain and simple, I don't care HOW you try to justify it. Why not give people the right to choose whether or not to raise an infant once it is here? They get overwhelmed, they drown it in the bathtub, or strap it in an infant seat and push the car off in a lake. You call THAT murder. Yet okay with abortion simply because the child has not left the mother's body yet.
And as to your last statement....how could you possibly know what Republicans do or do not do...there are faith-based facilities all over this country to help girls/women who decide against abortion. Funding to help with medical bills, support, placement of the children, or helping the mother if she elects to keep her child. We would rather funnel our money in that direction. Why is that SO wrong and in any way worse than your side wanting to fund abortion?
Whoa - hold on - Don't shoot the messenger
As that saying goes "Don't shoot the messenger". I was just passing on an article I thought was interesting. I have no idea if it was from a conservative or liberal view point. If I find another article that goes opposite will be happy to pass that on too. I'm for neither and probably won't even vote this fall because I don't want to have the responsibility if the "bad one" is picked that I would have contributed. Just thought this point of view was interesting.
BBC publishes anti-Obama article--whoa!
The BBC is very liberal, so this is quite shocking!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7700913.stm
Viewpoint: The case against Obama
Peter Wehner
Former deputy assistant to President Bush
If the polls hold, the American people will elect Barack Obama as their 44th president.
He is a man of prodigious political talents who exudes grace, equanimity and self-possession. He is unflappable, possesses a first-rate mind, and is capable of inspiring rhetoric.
And he would be a very bad choice for president.
On the most important issue he has confronted as a legislator, the surge of forces in Iraq, Senator Obama was a harsh critic.
His opposition to President Bush's new strategy was wrong.
Much worse is the fact that Obama continued to oppose the surge at every stage, even after it was obviously succeeding.
To this day, even as he finally concedes the surge has "succeeded beyond our wildest imagination," Obama insists his opposition to the surge was correct.
Senator Obama's view is that a defeat in Iraq would somehow help our efforts in Afghanistan.
Indeed, if Obama had had his way, all American combat troops would have been withdrawn from Iraq by March 2008, which would have led to civil war and genocide; an unprecedented victory for al-Qaeda and Islamic jihadists; and a boon to Iran.
This fact is, by itself, a shattering indictment to Obama's judgement, and in the area that is the most important responsibility of a president: his duties as commander-in-chief.
Extreme liberalism
I suspect, too, that Obama will, as his running mate has said, invite an international challenge early on.
Obama appears to be a man who dodges conflict and hard decisions; the result may be dangerous displays of indecision and weakness.
Beyond that is the fact that Senator Obama, while exuding a centrist style and employing soothing rhetoric, has amassed a record that places him on the extreme left end of our political spectrum, whether the subject is taxes, trade, healthcare, the size and role of the federal government, the federal courts, missile defence, or virtually any other policy area.
In fact, Senator Obama has been judged by the non-partisan National Journal as the most liberal member of the Senate.
His record as an Illinois state senator is, if anything, more troubling. He opposed legislation that would have prevented infanticide against children who had survived abortion attempts.
Senator Obama has presented himself as a post-partisan figure. Once again, however, his record belies his claim.
He is among the most reliably partisan voters the Democrats have.
He has not opposed the special interest groups of his party on a single important issue. And he has no impressive bipartisan achievements to his credit.
Senator Obama is, in short, an orthodox partisan, a man of left-leaning instinct who has - through the power of his rhetoric, head-snapping shifts in his position, and the attractiveness of his personality - won people over.
Race card
Even Senator Obama's claim of being a practitioner of a "new politics" is fraudulent.
Much of what Obama has presented about himself is a mirage - an impressive one for sure, but a mirage nonetheless
He has run ads about Senator McCain's position on healthcare, social security, immigration, and the Iraq war that are demonstrably false.
After saying he would never do such a thing, Obama and his supporters have employed the "race card" in a disturbing fashion - with Obama warning that key Republicans would use the fact that he's black against him, and later saying that George Bush and John McCain were going to try to frighten voters by saying Obama has "a funny name" and "doesn't look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills" (both claims are untrue).
And Senator Obama's intimate 20-year relationship with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright - an anti-American extremist - is troubling.
It reinforces the sense that much of what Obama has presented about himself is a mirage - an impressive one for sure, but a mirage nonetheless.
And even if you were inclined to believe that Senator Obama will govern as a centrist - a questionable claim, given his record - the Democratic Party will hold a commanding position in the House and Senate.
Speaker Pelosi and majority leader Reid and their committee chairmen - many of them partisan, ideological, and ruthless - will exert enormous pressure on Obama to move left.
From all we know about him, Senator Obama will not resist it or defy them. And that, in turn, will lead to overreach.
Which is why even though next Tuesday will be a difficult day for Republicans and conservatives, the wise ones will understand that our moment will come again, and perhaps sooner than we think.
Our task is to be ready.
VIEWPOINTS
Peter Wehner is a former deputy assistant to President George W Bush, and currently a senior fellow at the Washington-based Ethics and Public Policy Center. This is one of a series of comment and opinion pieces published on the BBC News website in the run-up to the US election.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/7700913.stm
Whoa, Bessie. Can't be anti-Semitic and Pro-Palestinian
at the same time. Let us not defy logic here. Semitic peoples is an ethnologic reference based on a language group, and incluced both Arabs and Hebrews/Jewish people. This is a tired tactic dragged out in desperation in an attempt to discredit by implying someone is a bigoted Jew-hater. NOT.
The term Israeli based on nationality and the term Zionist is based the political movement that seeks to establish a national homeland (echoes of Hitler) in Palestine. It is not even accurate to state anti-Israel unless followed by a qualifier. The sentiment expressed on this forum is anti-Zionist, straight up, no more, no less, no doubt. It is not about hating a race of people, it's all about hating a set of ideas.
Whoa, Bessie. Can't be anti-Semitic and Pro-Palestinian
at the same time. Let us not defy logic here. Semitic peoples is an ethnologic reference based on a language group, and incluced both Arabs and Hebrews/Jewish people. This is a tired tactic dragged out in desperation in an attempt to discredit by implying someone is a bigoted Jew-hater. NOT.
The term Israeli based on nationality and the term Zionist is based the political movement that seeks to establish a national homeland (echoes of Hitler) in Palestine. It is not even accurate to state anti-Israel unless followed by a qualifier. The sentiment expressed on this forum is anti-Zionist, straight up, no more, no less, no doubt. It is not about hating a race of people, it's all about hating a set of ideas.
Whoa, that is actually like a Christmas Present from the IRS, what an unheard of concept!!!....sm
True, you can do it yourself, the IRS just makes so daunting and intimidating with all those forms, and then you worry if you make another mistake, you will get another penalty.....Just those three letters together give most folk the heebie geebies.
Also, taling about not needing a service, most people do not know that you DO NOT need those miriad of services who will "talk down your credit bills" and renegotiate. Especially in these times, banks are very eager to get payment and work with you, most banks have a "hardship" department where you can talk to reps who can negotiate lower settlements, eliminate fees, figure out a very good payment plan without fees, etc. You can do it yourself without paying a debt relief service.
Go Obama/Biden! I don't like it and will VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN!
Obama has shown great judgment in the people who surround him. He picked a great VP choice, and his wife is impeccable as a helpmate and is a fantastic role model for the American children.
Biden
I think it is a good choice. Biden's a decent guy and fills in the foreign policy gap that Obama has. I think it was a tough spot for Obama to find a VP. He picks someone like Biden who is experienced and has military/foreign policy behind him and he gets criticized for being establishment and not keeping with his "change" message. He picks an outsider change person and he gets criticized for having no experience or military/foreign policy behind him. He picks Hillary and half the Democrats love him for it and get energized, while the other half of Democrats are angry at him and let down, and ALL of the Republicans are happy and energized to support their candidate whom to this point most have had a hard time getting excited about. It will be very interesting to see if McCain picks Romney or not. I think it would help him in some ways and really hurt him in others. I'm looking forward to the VP debate - Biden against anyone! Sure to be fun.
Joe Biden
So why no conversation on Joe Biden?
You mean like when Biden said...
Obama wasn't qualified for the job and now he is? LIke that kind of talking about both sides of mouth??
More on Biden...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/08/biden_familys_lobbyist_financi.html
did Biden just really say this
"reduce not just the interest but reduce the principle." Okay, so we worked out butts off for years to keep up with our mortgage on a house we could afford and they are going to basically going to give it to the people who didn't????? Why am I not in a Million dollar home that the government is going to give me 'cuz I can't pay for it?????
Thank you, Biden still out did her, tho...
and you would think with 36 yrs experience as a Senator he would know better, especially about the responsibilities of the VP.
Biden
I hope that anyone who hasn't seen this interview will click on the link and view it. Biden answered each of her questions fully and completely.
I personally believe that Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert will have a field day with this one! The questions reminded me of one of Colbert's "Better Know a District" segments. 
Biden
He was in Evansville, Indiana at 8:30 this morning.
Biden........
Biden has a lot of experience, especially in foreign policy, but as a speaker he is too impulsive and he seems to have a temper, sometimes.
But still a great choice as running mate for Obama.
Biden was right about this...
...VP Biden told CNN that former VP D*ck Cheney is "dead wrong" in denouncing the White House's national security policies.
"The last administration left us in a weaker posture than we've been any time since World War II: less regarded in the world, stretched more thinly than we ever have been in the past, two wars under way, virtually no respect in entire parts of the world."
Joe Biden knows what he is doing?
HA! That is a laugh!
That's Obama bin Biden
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what? said about biden by a white.
where do you get racism out of that?
My problem with Biden was
something I heard a few days ago about his being one of the first to tighten up on bankruptcy laws which might be fine except for the fact one son just out of law school just happened to be working for a credit card conglomerate.
Obama/Biden looking better and better.
I guess we're all human, but still.... 
if obama/biden
were for preemptive war, suspension of habeas corpus, torture, and no oversight of corporations resulting in Halliburton, Enron, and banking industry scandals, I would not consider voting for them, no matter how compelling their personal stories or charming they may be. That is why I vote democrat.
DO we want to examine Joe Biden's...
"the presidency does not lend itself to on-the-job training" to "Barack Obama is ready for the job." ? ALL politicians are going to have those "words out of their own mouths" contradicting "words out of their own mouths." It is the nature of the beast.
Biden prefaces his
remarks with his fondness for JMC as a person and honors his service. He does NOT think his policies are right for the country. Big difference.
Palin/Biden
I don't know, I heard Obama denounce bringing the kids into the politics and he seemed pretty forceful and pretty snarly himself. My opinion is the kids ought to be off limits but when the candidates (both of them) trot them out, that takes the "hands off" out of play for me. They can't have it both ways. If they really care about the kids, leave them out of the spotlight TOTALLY. Although I admit the little girl licking her hand and smoothing the baby's hair was pretty endearing..............BUT fairplay, don't show that and then say that it isn't fair to talk about the unwed daughter's pregnancy....so leave her off the camera, don't trot in the boyfriend to participate too. Ridiculous!
Biden was right, but, of course, now he suddenly
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Biden Caught In A Lie
Posted on September 4, 2008 by nuke
This really couldn’t have come at a worse time for Joe Biden. Speaking on Fox and Friends, Sen. Biden, the Democrat VP nominee denied reports from ABC news that if elected, he planned on pursuing criminal charges against the Bush Administration.
“That’s not true. I don’t know where that report’s coming from,” Biden told Fox & Friends.
Here you go Joe. See if this jogs your memory just a bit.
Poor old Joe. I expect the “Dump Biden” movement to pick up steam in the next few days.
h/t FreeRepublic
Biden and Clinton
Anyone else read the article where Biden says Hilary Clinton might have been a better choice as a VP than him? How true. Hilary doesn't scare me nearly as much as Obama does!
Joe Biden? LOL -the scariest of them all.
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Joe Biden and MBNA...
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDU4OTdhMTFhN2YwZTY3MmMzNGFhYzc3ODdhOTA0ZjQ=
Biden is good at saying what he
really means at times and then having to backtrack. Just like what he said about Obama's experience until he was picked #2 and now Obama is experienced. LOL. Or how about when Biden criticized an ad the Obama campaign released stating,"I thought that was terrible by the way" and "if I'd have had anything to do with it, we never would have done it." Now he is saying it is okay because McCain's campaign ads are just as bad and therefore McCain has no reason to complain about Obama's ads. LOL!
I seriously wonder what Obama was thinking when he picked Biden. I bet they cringe every time he is interviewed.
Biden is much worse. I think the guy has
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Obama + Biden....sm
oreos with no milk....
less than nothing there
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