do Muslims not pay taxes? they are part of our country - like it or not...
Posted By: Amanda on 2008-10-10
In Reply to: Smear tactics? - don't think so.......
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How is it in your part of the country......... sm
economically?
Since we are apparently all from very different parts of the country, I thought it might be interesting to see what the job picture and economic climate is in different parts of the country.
I live in East Texas in a very rural area. Nearest town is 20 miles away and has a population of about 36,000. We have not had the tremendous loss of jobs in this area, although there have been some. A poultry processing plant that is a major area employer has had 2 layoffs in the past year and there have been some store closings, 2 that I can think of. Wal-Mart and area restaurants, however, seem to be fairly unaffected. Folks are still shopping and eating out, although I myself have curtailed both of those activities to buying only the necessities (and I do mean necessities) and practically never eat out (although I did "treat" myself to a particular Chinese takeout that I had been craving for some time the other day.)
But he is part of the freedoms that symbolize this country
Whatdya wanna do? Have him shot? Muzzled? Yeah, it's unfortunate that he has said some of things he did.
It's just every time you mention him rather rabidly he gets more attention and more power. As I said, there are right-wing crazies or religious crazies I could rant about, but hey, they're not worth it.
I'm curious - what obviously god-forsaken part of the country
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Muslims take over
They will take over soon enough. This country will be part of the European union, which is the same thing as socialism. They will all burn in Hades with knashing of teeth. Obama is the antichrist.
Muslims
Muslims do not worship our God, the ones our forefathers worshipped, the God referred to in "one nation under God" in our pledge of allegiance. They don't believe the Bible. That's why it is seen as a false religion. I'm not the OP...just saying that's why most people see Muslim as not a good thing.
Not all Muslims
in the Middle and Far East are terrorists.
You are also stereotyping.
Sure O's blood drained from his face!
But the Iranian people did not launch this missile. You are again talking about terrorists, not moderates.
only part saved was the ignorant part
You can read the whole article. This quote was saved to show what she said that was so stupid.
No. I love the country side in Alabama...I'm a country girl...nm
I think we all know we are not talking about all Muslims. SM
Your attempt to characterize and our concerns as being against all Muslims is typical but wrong. In the instance that the radical Islamics use jihad, it most certainly means Holy war. Can we focus on that certain faction of Islamics instead of broadening the scope of things to a realm we are not addressing?
Christians do that, not Muslims.
You state regarding Obama...He's linked with Ahmedinejad and therefore if he gets elected they will have an open invitation to come and get us and turn everyone into a muslim.
The last time I checked, it was the Christians who were trying to make everyone accept Jesus Christ as their savior and convert to them Christianity. Personally, I have never heard of Muslims trying to force anyone to believe as they do.
Yes, during a time when all NON-MUSLIMS
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Mccain wants to win over the Muslims too -
http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081010/NEWS0302/81010015/-1/rss01
Read paragraph 7 - they both want those votes - not just Obama.
"all Muslims"???
case in point.
No more valid than if someone were to say "all Christians."
There are Christians who are truly loving, inclusive people, and there are narrow, exclusionary, fringe extremists about whom Jesus would never stop puking.
I think you should take another look at Colin Powell's interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_NMZv6Vfh8&feature=user
Exactly. Just like not all Muslims are terrorists. nm
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I am sure that we all know that not all Muslims are terrorists.
Why is that anyone who does not support Obama is automatically a bigot who hates everyone who is not a white Christian? And then I am called narrow minded--interesting!
It's more how Muslims view us
They see any non-Muslim as an infidel. THAT is the problem.
Moderate Muslims
The majority of the Middle Eastern people are moderate and not anti-American. And Obama is winning more and more over.
Only the terrorists are anti-American.
You have to study history, update yourself and do not put everybody into the same pot and stereotyping.
Why do you single out Muslims?
I quote from your post:
'If you go back in history, the Muslim religion has ALWAYS been a religion of violence and this has been going on since the Crusades and before.'
Who slaughtered whom during the Crusades?
Who slaughtered the Palestinians in Gaza in the year of 2008?
And there are hundreds of other examples.
So we have to pacify Muslims so much
that our own president cannot comment on how horrible it was for a soldier to be gunned down just because he was going to Cairo in a couple of days? Pathetic. Just because he is trying to kiss butt here....doesn't mean that he should throw our own Americans under the bus like that. This a man who was going to fight for our country and was gunned down and our president said nothing about it. That in itself is a shame. It just goes to show that Obama is more interested in making pals with Muslims than he is about the people willing to fight and die for our own country. Pretty sad really.
I prefer Muslims to Christians!
I find the Muslims I know to be well educated, polite, family oriented, and very gentle people. I cannot say the same for the Christians I have met. This is based on my own personal experience, so there is no need for flaming from the right-wing Christian fanatics.
Moderate Muslims are not terrorists.
I find it interesting that you twisted President Obama's words from "winning over moderate Muslims" to "winning over terrorists." How very "pro-American" of you!
I am talking about moderate muslims
in the Middle and Far East, not about Muslims who live here in the US!
The Muslims who are in the Middle East have been won over by OBAMA.
Relgious Freaks? Do you mean Muslims?
Or is it only OK to bash Christians in America?
The number of abortions due to rape is so minescule compared to the massive quantities by women who are just too plain lazy or stupid to get themselves on birth control, it's a total joke. Add into that, the inordinate number of women who cry 'rape' when they actually just got wasted and laid, and there's a whole lot of unnecessary suffering going on.
Here's a compromise - I'll support morning-after pills for rape victims - and you support SELF-CONTROL. Sadly, in America these days, self-control is as foreign an idea as thrift and personal responsibility.
that's great Muslims believe Jesus was a
messenger etc. etc. But Jesus was not a "messenger" he was the Holy, SINLESS, son of God sent to this earth to die for ALL that they may have salvation for all who believe. He his alive and on the throne. The Muslim "god" is dead and in the grave. Christianity is the only faith where the God is not in the grave but is alive forever.
Why wouldn't I love Muslims?
Muslim is just a name..... it's those that have believed in a hateful murderous cult that I don't agree with. Christ says to love even my enemies, so I will. If you understood that, you would understand that is because there is always that hope that they will change their thoughts and ways and turn to Christ and away from all their hate. But, of course, that's hard to do when they have been taught since early childhood for hours on end to hate everyone that isn't them. And for that, I would certainly think prayer for them is more important than ever!
On the other hand, that doesn't mean we roll over and let those that hate us and wish us harm attack our country and not expect retribution. Is that your belief? There are many fighting for this country that do not consider themselves religious at all; they just know wrong and hate when they see it....
too bad you don't!
Christians are just as evil as Muslims.
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Uh, really???? Cuz these Muslims seem to think jihad means Holy War. SM
I mean, they are actually saying that is what it means, so maybe you better go and educate them! Oh those silly Muslim terrorist guys don't even know what jihad means!
Somalia Islamic militants call for jihad
By MOHAMED OLAD HASSAN, Associated Press WriterSat Dec 23, 8:55 AM ET
Somalia's Islamic militants Saturday called on foreign Muslim fighters to join their holy war against Ethiopian troops after days of fighting killed hundreds of people and threatened to engulf this volatile region.
Muslims are brothers and help each other, Sheik Yusuf Indahaadde, national security chairman for the Council of Islamic Courts, said in the capital, Mogadishu. We have a right to call our brothers and sisters to help us in this holy war, he said.
The Islamic forces have declared they want to bring the country under Quranic rule and vowed to drive out troops from neighboring Ethiopia, a largely Christian nation that is providing military support to Somalia's U.N.-backed government. Ethiopia denies its forces are fighting, saying it has sent only military trainers.
The clashes could mean a major conflict in the Horn of Africa. Ethiopia, which has one of the largest armies in the region, and its bitter rival, Eritrea, could use Somalia as the ground for a proxy war. While Ethiopia backs the internationally recognized government, Eritrea backs the Islamic movement.
In Kismayo, a strategic seaport captured from the government by Islamic militia in September, residents saw several foreign Arab fighters disembarking from ships this week.
Hundreds of people have been killed since fighting broke out Tuesday. Sporadic gunfire and shelling could be heard Friday around Baidoa, the government's only stronghold, although fighting appeared to taper off. But four Ethiopian attack helicopters and about 20 tanks were seen headed for battle, witnesses and a government official said.
Thousands of Somalis have fled their homes as troops loyal to the two-year-old interim administration fought Islamic fighters who had advanced on Baidoa, about 140 miles northwest of Mogadishu. Islamic militiamen control Mogadishu along with most of southern Somalia.
Special forces who are highly trained in guerrilla warfare are now ready to attack Ethiopians, wherever they are in Somalia, Sheik Ibrahim Shukri Abuu-Zeynab, a spokesman for the Islamic movement, told The Associated Press.
He also said the Islamists late Friday peacefully captured the Ethiopian border town of Tiyeglow, which is believed to be a main entry point for troops from the neighboring nation.
Somali Prime Minister Ali Mohamed Gedi vowed Saturday that his government will defend the people it is responsible for and Somali sovereignty. He called on the Islamic fighters to return to negotiations.
They will be responsible for any consequences that may result from rejecting our call, he said.
Government officials said more than 600 Islamic fighters had been killed during four days of clashes. Islamic militiamen said they had killed around 400 Ethiopians and government fighters. Neither claim could be independently confirmed.
U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan called on both sides to cease the hostilities immediately and to resume the peace talks, his spokesman, Stephane Dujarric, said in a statement released late Friday.
Somalia has not had an effective government since warlords overthrew longtime dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991, plunging the country into chaos.
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The point is, these Muslims say a Jihad is a Holy War. SM
I just wanted to point that out. I just don't think in these times that they mean it any other way, no matter what the other definitions are.
I am not clear, why do you hate/fear muslims?
history shows us many atrocities have been done in the name of people's 'religions' so what makes muslims the target...I see just as much intolerance and hatred right here, in church. ?
Moderate Muslims aren't the terrorists...(sm)
He's pointing out the distinction between the two instead of labeling all Muslims as terrorists and pi$$ing off the whole middle east like the Bush admin did, and like you just did with your post.
Moderate muslims by definition have already been "won over." So what exactly is
Obama's strategy here?
A moderate muslim is a muslim who is willing to coexist peacefully with people of other faiths and who are comfortable with the democracy of the U.S. So you see, they don't need to be "won over." To the fundamentalist muslim, a moderate muslim is a sell out who has watered down their faith.
Basically what Obama is doing is elevating himself to the benevolent peacemaker, declaring he is going to choose is words wisely and have us all believe that he alone can win over the "moderate muslims" when in fact it means absolutely nothing. This just more Obama posturing for the media. The funamentalist muslims (the ones that need to be won over) will never be won over because in their own mindsent they are holding true to their Islam teachings.
Maybe because the Christians taught the Muslims how to be ruthless...
murderers during the Crusades? Good enough reason for me.
Yes killing this country - have you been out of the country the last 3 months or so
Don't you have a clue as to what is happening in America? Where have you been? Don't you listen to what is happening or are you still drinking the kool-aid. That time is over. Put the aid down and wake up. The country is being destroyed. These have been the worst 4 months in the history of bad presidents. Foreclosures are on the rise, unemployment is on the rise, 3+ trillion more in deficit and on the rise, companies shutting down, Clinton for SoS. Napolitano - one of the biggest tragedies to happen to America. The list goes on and on and on and on.
Dubya is not in office anymore. You think dubya "pulled the trigger", well the O keeps reloading it and continues to pull the trigger.
You won't pay more taxes
The fact of the matter is McCain's tax proposals are the same as Bushes - he wants to make the tax cuts for the rich PERMANENT. Therefore, the burden of taxes falls on the backs of the middle class. Yes, I worked for Children Services - by taking in foster children and adopting hard to place children the parents receive quite a few entitlements - that is true. (I'd rather work - I saw how hard it was to raise "damaged" children). I had a weekend foster child, as a single mother, with my own 2 children and custody of my neice and never applied for food stamps, medical care, etc. My husband took off and dodged state-to-state to avoid paying childsupport. How we managed, I guess it was just easier then. Obama's tax plan does not include YOU at your tax bracket - you will benefit from his plan - are you benefitting from Bush's? I know we aren't. I'm not asking for pity. 1 out of 3 people will get cancer. I paid for my disabiity insurance and I am still fighting for my benefits (they play games and lie to delay payments), so I will scrap aluminum and do whatever I have to in order to keep food on the table. I'm not lazy. I worked hard raising my children by myself, bought my own home and did not remarry until my kids were adults. I had to write to state representatives in order to get my insurance disability to MOVE. I have written my state representatives before when my ex-husband was dodging child support. I learned to lean Democrat while working at Children Services and also by all the things I learned in college. Those dem state reps helped me and even called me at work to ensure the Bureau of Support was doing their jobs. How can I argue with that? Please read the issues on both candidates and don't believe everything you hear on the news and read on this board. McCain's attack ads are lies and that's sad as we considered him when he ran against Bush. Now he is just another Bushie.
Taxes
mCcain gives back rich. Obama to give back to middle class. Simple as that. I have never attended any institute of higher lurnin so that makes me sure I am right. Too much knowledge a dangeris thingie.
More about taxes...
My personal taxes (single renter w/no dependents) WERE higher under Clinton, but there was only ONE reason for that: I was making a LOT MORE MONEY BACK THEN.
That's when my MT paycheck was at it's highest ever, about$40K per year. Since then, my income has gone down (thanks in large part to nobody in Bush's term in office doing diddly to stop the hemorrhage of our jobs out of the US & off to India, Pakistan, Philippines, etc.
And to make things worse, these same companies selling our livelihood down the river were getting REWARDED monetarily for doing so.
So now, I make half of what I made during the Clinton years. (About $20K/year, for doing about twice the work.) Retirement is now almost a virtual impossibility, thanks to the tanking of our stock-market-driven 401K not only after 9/11, but today as well.
I just hope, if we end up with 4-8 more years of this greed on Capital Hill, and throughout our nation's corporate world, that everyone gets used to paying for those who will have nothing. If I lose my job and/or health insurance, then I, too, will be contributing to the money-pit that hospital emergency rooms have become (and which is why they're closing one by one), because that's where I, too, will have to go for my medical care.
Taxes
McCain will raise taxes too. How else is he going to fund his wars? Not to mention Bushes bail out of his cronie Wall Streeters, never mind that those execs collected millions in bonuses before they ran the companies into the ground. We taxpayers are left to pick up the tab. If Obama sticks to his guns he won't raise taxes on MOST of us, certainly not me, as I don't come close to an income over $250,000 per year...wish I did, I'd be happy to fork over a few extra tax dollars.
taxes are taxes
you don;t get to chose where your money goes. Only United Way does that.
that would still be taxes... nm
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Even more taxes for us
So Obama plans to let the Bush tax cuts expire. That equates to more $ from our pockets, just in a different form. If that's not bad enough, see below--and Snopes is leftist, so they wouldn't publish this unless it were true. They probably cringed as they posted it. Y'all must be making some huge bucks at MQ to want even more $ taken out of your checks. If so, then why all the griping about lost wages? Can't have it both ways!
Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 12:00 PM
We could resolve this financial crisis by CLOSING the books on the fourteen listed programs..............WHERE IS THE CONGRESS???
Read this! It will open your eyes for sure!
Don't miss the Total at the bottom.
WONDER WHY YOU DON'T HEAR MUCH ABOUT THIS IN THE DEBATES. NONE OF THE
PEOPLE THAT RUN THE DEBATES (TV NEWORKS), WHO ASK THE QUESTIONS WILL
ALLOW THIS TYPE INFORMATION
TO GET OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS GO HIDE WHEN THESE QUESTIONS ARE
ASKED, WHY? WHAT COSTS MORE PER YEAR THAN THE IRAQ WAR?
Answer: Illegal Aliens Cause Massive Cuts For US Seniors. I hope the fo llowing 14 reasons
are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick
of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of the following facts:
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also,
as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin
12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants
In The United States'. http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
Total cost is a whooping... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!
If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message, but on the other hand, if it does raise the hair on
SEND THIS TO ALL YOU KNOW. THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES NEEDS TO
KNOW THIS INFORMATION, UNLESS THEY DON'T MIND SHARING THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY WITH
ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO DIDN'T PAY A DIME.
LET US SHOW OUR LEADERS IN WASHINGTON 'PEOPLE POWER' AND THE POWER OF THE INTERNET.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ARE REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT OR INDEPENDENT! KEEP IT GOING.
Taxes
Would I have a yearly capital gain of $250.000.--, I would GLADLY pay more taxes, actually only 3 percent more.
40% of that 95% DON'T pay taxes...
where is all the money coming from to pay for all of his programs?
Everyone has to pay taxes, sorry
That's the way it works in our society. It's been backwards for years with the rich getting all the breaks. If you make a lot, you pay more. What is wrong with that?
I doubt that YOU have to worry about it mtstar.
No, we don't need more taxes
but we're gonna get 'em anyway regardless of which one is elected. How else is that 700 bil bail-out gonna get paid back?
I pay taxes
and I need a break. I know plenty of others are in the same boat also. It's not like only rich people pay taxes. Come on now.
Many of those wealthy people have gotten there by taking advantage of lowly workers who can barely pay fundamental bills. How many times are people on this board bi+c#ing about working harder for less and our jobs going to other countries!
Have you tried to get a new job lately? Multiple rounds of testing and endless interviews to the point where you'd think you were trying to get a CEO position ... when in reality it pays barely over minium wage. pRIcEleSs!
Not all of us poor people aren't working hard or are blowing money on extravagance!
Taxes
Well, then, maybe you'll appreciate the tax break you will see under his administration.
Sin taxes.........sm
I understand the brewers' outrage, but "fair is fair." Smokers have been taxed out the wazoo on cigarettes and they are about to go up another $0.61 per pack as a means of paying for Medicaid. Personally, I don't think it is fair to tax any particular class of person based on their habits to fund government spending. What's next? A tax increase on knitting needles or perhaps scrapbook materials?
Regardless of where the taxes
come from (state or federal) they will still rise because of the cap and trade Obama wants to institute. IMO, still his fault because he said himself during his campaign that this would make energy costs skyrocket. He knows instituting cap and trade will raise costs for all consumers. Why do some people continually give Obama an excuse for everything. Nothing will ever be his fault. He is so perfect and wonderful and who cares if he does something that will end up raising prices on utilities, gas, groceries, etc. Not like are economy is suffering or anything or that people are barely getting by. But hey.....Obama is such a great guy...gosh darn it.
So maybe if we don't pay our taxes, the gov't. in
If so, count me in! This year the gov't. is probably only going to get a note from me saying to bill it to AIG. They can afford to pay my share.
Taxes......
Obama’s plan would raise fuel prices by 6% and power prices by 7% on average in 2012...
you think that ain't a tax? This is on the average U.S. citizen of which I assume you are one of? You don't mind paying more for your power so you can continue to work making less and less?
And that is just the beginning....
Taxes, foreclosures, the Dow...sm
Home sales and foreclosures are up!
I hope dems do raise taxes on the rich, the million dollar and up club. I am a supporter of the flat tax. 10% (or whatever number that makes sense) across the board. Even Bill Gates other mega millionares have said themselves that the tax breaks they have received of late are unneeded.
The Dow Industrial. Now, this to me is a joke! When you have a sister and friends lose their job due to factory downsizing. Two more factories completely move overseas for lower overhead costs leaving 500+ people with no jobs. Of course the companies' stock is doing good, but now I'll ask you what does that mean to regular Joes?
Unemployment. We are doing good on that. Most everyone who wants a job is able to find work in my city. May not pay much of anything, but there is work nonetheless.
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