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Moderate Muslims

Posted By: stereotyping on 2009-02-04
In Reply to: War on terror -- - MT in PA

The majority of the Middle Eastern people are moderate and not anti-American. And Obama is winning more and more over.
Only the terrorists are anti-American.
You have to study history, update yourself and do not put everybody into the same pot and stereotyping.


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Moderate Muslims are not terrorists.
I find it interesting that you twisted President Obama's words from "winning over moderate Muslims" to "winning over terrorists." How very "pro-American" of you!
I am talking about moderate muslims
in the Middle and Far East, not about Muslims who live here in the US!
The Muslims who are in the Middle East have been won over by OBAMA.
Moderate Muslims aren't the terrorists...(sm)

He's pointing out the distinction between the two instead of labeling all Muslims as terrorists and pi$$ing off the whole middle east like the Bush admin did, and like you just did with your post.


Moderate muslims by definition have already been "won over." So what exactly is

Obama's strategy here? 


A moderate muslim is a muslim who is willing to coexist peacefully with people of other faiths and who are comfortable with the democracy of the U.S.  So you see, they don't need to be "won over."  To the fundamentalist muslim, a moderate muslim is a sell out who has watered down their faith.


Basically what Obama is doing is elevating himself to the benevolent peacemaker, declaring he is going to choose is words wisely and have us all believe that he alone can win over the "moderate muslims" when in fact it means absolutely nothing.  This just more Obama posturing for the media.  The funamentalist muslims (the ones that need to be won over) will never be won over because in their own mindsent they are holding true to their Islam teachings.


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I went to a very moderate Baptist church as a ....sm
child and teenager, and no drinking alcohol or dancing was allowed whatsoever.
JM credibility on moderate inclusive bipartisan
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The moderate Islamists, that is the general population
condemn the actions of the fundamentalists and radicals, they do not agree with them, as those backfired on them.

These wars have nothing to do with religion, they are all political wars.
We welcome extremists...as long as you're extremely moderate! : )
Oh, gosh. I cracked myself up.
Muslims take over
They will take over soon enough.  This country will be part of the European union, which is the same thing as socialism.  They will all burn in Hades with knashing of teeth.  Obama is the antichrist.
Muslims
Muslims do not worship our God, the ones our forefathers worshipped, the God referred to in "one nation under God" in our pledge of allegiance. They don't believe the Bible. That's why it is seen as a false religion. I'm not the OP...just saying that's why most people see Muslim as not a good thing.
Not all Muslims
in the Middle and Far East are terrorists.
You are also stereotyping.
Sure O's blood drained from his face!
But the Iranian people did not launch this missile. You are again talking about terrorists, not moderates.

I think we all know we are not talking about all Muslims. SM

Your attempt to characterize and our concerns as being against all Muslims is typical but wrong.  In the instance that the radical Islamics use jihad, it most certainly means Holy war.  Can we focus on that certain faction of Islamics instead of broadening the scope of things to a realm we are not addressing? 


Christians do that, not Muslims.
You state regarding Obama...He's linked with Ahmedinejad and therefore if he gets elected they will have an open invitation to come and get us and turn everyone into a muslim.

The last time I checked, it was the Christians who were trying to make everyone accept Jesus Christ as their savior and convert to them Christianity. Personally, I have never heard of Muslims trying to force anyone to believe as they do.
Yes, during a time when all NON-MUSLIMS
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Mccain wants to win over the Muslims too -
http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081010/NEWS0302/81010015/-1/rss01

Read paragraph 7 - they both want those votes - not just Obama.
"all Muslims"???
case in point.

No more valid than if someone were to say "all Christians."

There are Christians who are truly loving, inclusive people, and there are narrow, exclusionary, fringe extremists about whom Jesus would never stop puking.

I think you should take another look at Colin Powell's interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_NMZv6Vfh8&feature=user

Exactly. Just like not all Muslims are terrorists. nm
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I am sure that we all know that not all Muslims are terrorists.
Why is that anyone who does not support Obama is automatically a bigot who hates everyone who is not a white Christian? And then I am called narrow minded--interesting!
It's more how Muslims view us
They see any non-Muslim as an infidel. THAT is the problem.

Why do you single out Muslims?
I quote from your post:

'If you go back in history, the Muslim religion has ALWAYS been a religion of violence and this has been going on since the Crusades and before.'

Who slaughtered whom during the Crusades?

Who slaughtered the Palestinians in Gaza in the year of 2008?

And there are hundreds of other examples.

So we have to pacify Muslims so much
that our own president cannot comment on how horrible it was for a soldier to be gunned down just because he was going to Cairo in a couple of days?  Pathetic.  Just because he is trying to kiss butt here....doesn't mean that he should throw our own Americans under the bus like that.  This a man who was going to fight for our country and was gunned down and our president said nothing about it.  That in itself is a shame.  It just goes to show that Obama is more interested in making pals with Muslims than he is about the people willing to fight and die for our own country.  Pretty sad really.
I prefer Muslims to Christians!
I find the Muslims I know to be well educated, polite, family oriented, and very gentle people. I cannot say the same for the Christians I have met. This is based on my own personal experience, so there is no need for flaming from the right-wing Christian fanatics.
Relgious Freaks? Do you mean Muslims?
Or is it only OK to bash Christians in America?

The number of abortions due to rape is so minescule compared to the massive quantities by women who are just too plain lazy or stupid to get themselves on birth control, it's a total joke. Add into that, the inordinate number of women who cry 'rape' when they actually just got wasted and laid, and there's a whole lot of unnecessary suffering going on.

Here's a compromise - I'll support morning-after pills for rape victims - and you support SELF-CONTROL. Sadly, in America these days, self-control is as foreign an idea as thrift and personal responsibility.
that's great Muslims believe Jesus was a
messenger etc. etc. But Jesus was not a "messenger" he was the Holy, SINLESS, son of God sent to this earth to die for ALL that they may have salvation for all who believe. He his alive and on the throne. The Muslim "god" is dead and in the grave. Christianity is the only faith where the God is not in the grave but is alive forever.
Why wouldn't I love Muslims?
Muslim is just a name..... it's those that have believed in a hateful murderous cult that I don't agree with. Christ says to love even my enemies, so I will. If you understood that, you would understand that is because there is always that hope that they will change their thoughts and ways and turn to Christ and away from all their hate. But, of course, that's hard to do when they have been taught since early childhood for hours on end to hate everyone that isn't them. And for that, I would certainly think prayer for them is more important than ever!

On the other hand, that doesn't mean we roll over and let those that hate us and wish us harm attack our country and not expect retribution. Is that your belief? There are many fighting for this country that do not consider themselves religious at all; they just know wrong and hate when they see it....

too bad you don't!
Christians are just as evil as Muslims.
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Uh, really???? Cuz these Muslims seem to think jihad means Holy War. SM

I mean, they are actually saying that is what it means, so maybe you better go and educate them!  Oh those silly Muslim terrorist guys don't even know what jihad means!








Somalia Islamic militants call for jihad





By MOHAMED OLAD HASSAN, Associated Press WriterSat Dec 23, 8:55 AM ET



Somalia's Islamic militants Saturday called on foreign Muslim fighters to join their holy war against Ethiopian troops after days of fighting killed hundreds of people and threatened to engulf this volatile region.


Muslims are brothers and help each other, Sheik Yusuf Indahaadde, national security chairman for the Council of Islamic Courts, said in the capital, Mogadishu. We have a right to call our brothers and sisters to help us in this holy war, he said.


The Islamic forces have declared they want to bring the country under Quranic rule and vowed to drive out troops from neighboring Ethiopia, a largely Christian nation that is providing military support to Somalia's U.N.-backed government. Ethiopia denies its forces are fighting, saying it has sent only military trainers.


The clashes could mean a major conflict in the Horn of Africa. Ethiopia, which has one of the largest armies in the region, and its bitter rival, Eritrea, could use Somalia as the ground for a proxy war. While Ethiopia backs the internationally recognized government, Eritrea backs the Islamic movement.


In Kismayo, a strategic seaport captured from the government by Islamic militia in September, residents saw several foreign Arab fighters disembarking from ships this week.


Hundreds of people have been killed since fighting broke out Tuesday. Sporadic gunfire and shelling could be heard Friday around Baidoa, the government's only stronghold, although fighting appeared to taper off. But four Ethiopian attack helicopters and about 20 tanks were seen headed for battle, witnesses and a government official said.


Thousands of Somalis have fled their homes as troops loyal to the two-year-old interim administration fought Islamic fighters who had advanced on Baidoa, about 140 miles northwest of Mogadishu. Islamic militiamen control Mogadishu along with most of southern Somalia.


Special forces who are highly trained in guerrilla warfare are now ready to attack Ethiopians, wherever they are in Somalia, Sheik Ibrahim Shukri Abuu-Zeynab, a spokesman for the Islamic movement, told The Associated Press.


He also said the Islamists late Friday peacefully captured the Ethiopian border town of Tiyeglow, which is believed to be a main entry point for troops from the neighboring nation.


Somali Prime Minister Ali Mohamed Gedi vowed Saturday that his government will defend the people it is responsible for and Somali sovereignty. He called on the Islamic fighters to return to negotiations.


They will be responsible for any consequences that may result from rejecting our call, he said.


Government officials said more than 600 Islamic fighters had been killed during four days of clashes. Islamic militiamen said they had killed around 400 Ethiopians and government fighters. Neither claim could be independently confirmed.


U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan called on both sides to cease the hostilities immediately and to resume the peace talks, his spokesman, Stephane Dujarric, said in a statement released late Friday.


Somalia has not had an effective government since warlords overthrew longtime dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991, plunging the country into chaos.


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The point is, these Muslims say a Jihad is a Holy War. SM

I just wanted to point that out.  I just don't think in these times that they mean it any other way, no matter what the other definitions are.


do Muslims not pay taxes? they are part of our country - like it or not...
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I am not clear, why do you hate/fear muslims?
history shows us many atrocities have been done in the name of people's 'religions' so what makes muslims the target...I see just as much intolerance and hatred right here, in church. ?
Maybe because the Christians taught the Muslims how to be ruthless...
murderers during the Crusades? Good enough reason for me.