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Anyone who can make bread for 35 cents/loaf is a wizard in my book, deenibeeni! nm

Posted By: TechSupport on 2009-03-24
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Half a loaf of bread better than none
My husband (who is union) and I have talked about this and he definitely said he would take pay cut in order to keep his job if need be.
Woman make 72 cents for every $1 a man does so of course, sm
Couple that with the enormous numbers of men who don't pay child support and you have a real mess.

Did YOU marry thinking you'd get divorced and have kids to raise alone with little or no financial help? I didn't.
You could use them to make Monkey Bread. sm

You stack and layer them in a tube pan, let them rise as normal.  Then take a mixture of melted butter, cinnamon, white and brown sugar and poor over the bread.  Bake at 400 for about 40-45 minutes.  Delicious for breakfast!


Eat your bread crust and it will make your hair curly! nm
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I still get a couple loaf pans of it every year at butchering time

DH doesn't touch it but I love it. I grew up on it too.


I also grew up on Spam. Mom had a stove that had a pull out griddle above the oven and she would put spam and egss on there for a Tuesday night supper.


I have 2 cans of Spam in my pantry now. The ingredients state: Pork with ham, mechanically separated chicken, water , salt, modified potato starch, sugar, hickory smoke flavoring (I have the hickory smoke flavor), and sodiu nitrite. Opps. There's that bad word-sodium nitrite.


 


Tessier's Surgical 'Word Book, old but good. And the Quick Look Drug Book and Saunders
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Wizard of Oz
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Sweepstakes Wizard
Has anyone tried this or know anyone that uses it?  I signed up and now wondering if it's a scam. 
Sweepstakes Wizard

I saw a post on here from someone asking about this website a couple of weeks ago.  I joined too.  Has anyone found out if this is a scam?  Thanks.


Sweepstake Wizard
I believe this to be a scam.  I never received any information about the contests I was supposedly entered into.  I was unable to reach them by phone but was successful by email.  "Hans" responded and was supposed to get back to me.  This was several weeks ago.  I do not expect to hear from him.  I was concerned about the "automatic renewal"  and wanted them to know that I was not interested.  If this shows up on my credit card again I will deny the charge and have my bank investigate.  I am to be renewed in August.  Someone contacted me asking about Hans and I never got a chance to respond and deleted that person's email in error.
Deenibeeni, you are right on sm
and the question is...why do you have creditors that have to be paid before you can eat? Is it his high spending habits that got you into this mess? He is starving you because why...you don't make the same money he does??? Toro poo poo!

Email me...we'll find you a better job at the very least. We need to talk and I won't harp on you, I only want to help. I'll pay for the call if you send the number and tell me when you are safe to talk.
Is this a play on words from Auntie Em from Wizard of Oz?
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love wizard of oz stuff; dorothy and tin man. nm
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Deenibeeni: This you should know as an MT regarding tonsils!
Tonsils have a very important function in the immune defence before they get infected.

When they get grossly infected, they do more harm than good and are removed.

Did nobody tell you this?
Why deenibeeni is so stubborn
*****Because I'm never going to say that child abuse is okay, that's why.

"The majority (of physicians) is pro-circumcision."

*****It is a very slim margin, in this study anyway: 54%, and (notably) most performed by male physicians. Now there's some food for thought.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/101/6/e5

There are males out there who are not so particularly keen about 'cleanliness' and this poses a danger to their female partners.

***This is disgusting. First, what is a woman doing with a man whose personal hygiene is so marginal that she risks disease by sleeping with him?? Simply grotesque.

Do you get it?

*****I get that you think surgery should be used in lieu of education, which is ridiculous.

Some do not even know that they should 'pull back' the foreskin etc.......

***Then give the guy either a Darwin award or some education.

Maybe you should draft a notice to be stuck on each shower..'how to.....'

***It's actually not a bad idea, & would probably spare more than a few infants.

Why are you so stubborn?

****see above.

You should think it over and say
'I screwed up...'

*****I think this sentiment should be reserved for anyone who has ever had their baby boy circumcised.

dear deenibeeni..you are misinformed
Circumcision is, as you mentioned in your above post, very hygenic. By removing the foreskin, a buildup of smegma is prevented. This is the main reason why circumcision is done. It should be actually done right in the first week after birth, because it is least painful when done early. It is done under anesthesia.

Genital mutilation done on women is not only 'cutting off the labia, it includes the removal of the clitoris, the part of the female body that causes foremost orgasm for a woman, causing her to become frigid.

This procedure is still done in some fundamental Muslim countries, but soon it will be forbidden, because this IS abuse.

dear deenibeeni, tell your 'wisdom' to
physicians, the majority is pro-circumcision.

There are males out there who are not so particularly keen about 'cleanliness' and this poses a danger to their female partners. Do you get it?
Some do not even know that they should 'pull back' the foreskin etc.......

Maybe you should draft a notice to be stuck on each shower..'how to.....'

Why are you so stubborn?
You should think it over and say
'I screwed up...'




Hadn't thought about that - thanks, deenibeeni! nm
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I read this book also. Wonderful book.

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Agree with you deenibeeni - we've been conditioned to believe that its good
There's also the issue of consent. Its an irreversable procedure - what if your son missed having a foreskin? I've read about men having wished that their parents didn't make that decision for them. I don't see a difference between male and female circumcision; its just that we've been conditioned to believe that male circumcision is good. Its just as barbaric and cruel.
just my 2 cents
I was raised in the south. I can tell you right now that if I had told my parents not to hit me, it would not have been pretty. I raised my children in the same manner. I fully believe that children should be spanked, on the bottom, in order to press home vital issues. I have raised 2 children, boy and a girl, both now 21. My son was a handful and then some. My daughter learned the limits and basically stuck to them. My son got mixed up with the wrong crowd and that was what changed his attitude. When you love your children, you will do whatever it takes, even if it means spanking when society says "not spanking, time out". Although, if you have not been spanking all along, starting at 14 might not be the best course of action, as it will just make him more angry. One thing I tried, when my son had to serve early morning detention for not obeying the rules, I made him walk to school (8 miles one way). I told him that his bad behavior was not going to change our family routine. (I did follow him in the care, he did not know). Believe, me he did not do this but twice. This even worked as a behavior modifier with the teachers. One made a comment to him about 8 miles was a long way to walk and he straightened right up. Have enough strength in yourself to do what society may say is wrong or mean if it means saving your child.
my 2 cents
My opinion is that you should just move on. I know you were offended and I feel that no one should have to put up with things like that. You have to just think about it from a retail point of view... I have worked retail before and sometimes associates make small talk with customers about returns...products ect.. because that is their job.. This guy might have been just trying to be nice and SAID THE WRONG THING TO YOU! Maybe it just slipped out. I believe you need to give people the benefit of the doubt... He did apologize and felt bad over it.. I think you scared this guy into THINKING about what he says before he opens his mouth!!
My 2 cents.......
In this case I would say the breed and size definitely matter. These are two dogs that were bred to do a lot of damage. My mom has a chow and he is very sweet but I could see, if he felt threatened, that he might tear another dog's head off.

I had this situation with a neighbor and we walked our dogs up and down the street, letting them see each other every day for a while. We didn't stop to talk to each other for a few days, then would stop across the street from one another and talk. Neither one of our dogs showed aggression towards the other, just more curious than anything, but mine was a lab and hers a large terrier mix. If one starts growling it would be best to jerk their leash to stop the behavior without saying a word and keep doing this when and if that behavior shows back up....every time without fail, no matter how much. If you act nervous, your dog probably will too. But again, if both dogs are very docile and laid back, it might go very well. But once you put one dog in another's house, there are territorial issues and your dog and your neighbor's will have every right to feel territorial and a fight might ensure whereas there wouldn't be one outdoors. This will definitely take time to overcome. Good luck!
My 2 cents (sm)
I've read most of the answers to your post, and I agree, you need to let this go.  However, if it helps, take your  last sentence and "use" that.  He has made you a better person.  Use that to begin anew.  Good luck to you.  There is someone out there worthy of you, trust me, there is.
41 cents
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41 cents, but.....
You can buy Forever Stamps for 41 cents which will not go up in the future. It helps.
my 2 cents
I don't really thing that hearing Merry Christmas sends so many people reeling, it is just the few that do not like it make so much more noise than everyone else!

Our small town has always had a nativity display at the courthouse/city hall. This year, ONE person in a 35,000 person town complained that it violated their rights to have to drive by and see a "religious" display every day. They were offended that it was just a religious display and not a true "holiday display".

So our mayor got very creative. He had someone create a Frosty the Snowman, Santa and Rudolph out of plywood, painted them, and then placed them next to the manger. Santa is holding baby Jesus!

I don't understand why people get offended by other people who do not believe like they do. I really think it is just a power trip, because this event proved that ONE person can change a whole town!!

Merry Christmas all, and if you don't celebrate Christmas, then happy holidays!
My 2 cents.........
Money is not the only thing he is lying to you about and you probably know it. Just what those things are, I don't know, but when a spouse lies and hides money, it is only a symptom of a lot of other things he/she is doing behind your back. That is why they become so defensive and try to turn the tables as if you are being ridiculous and just making up stuff. You know you're not going crazy.....you're a very angry fed up lady and for good reason. You know in your heart you have let this man belittle your feelings and make you feel less than a person. That's what they do to make themselves feel better about what they're doing.

My husband made very good money and for years, he always dropped off his check (when there wasn't direct deposit) for me to deposit, pay the bills. I knew where it all was and what was where. After several years of marriage, I realized he wasn't bringing his check home but stoppng himself at the bank and depositing it. Didn't think much of it at the time, even though I asked him why he had changed. He just suddenly had an extra moment at work or had to run an errand, when all the years before, he never had time to go to the bank, needed me to do it. Starting then, he didn't even bring his check stubs home after years of leaving them in the same place. When I asked what was going on, he became very defensive and told me I didn't need to know everything about "his" money and what he did with "his" money. Told me his boss keeps hundreds of dollars at a time in his wallet and he didn't trust his wife with keeping the checkbook.... she always overdrafted, messed up stuff, etc. Well, since I had been doing all that stuff for years with never a problem, I knew it wasn't because I was doing a poor job. He always insisted I do it because he just didn't have the time. His job was high profile and many hours, so I just didn't mind. I asked him did he want to keep hundreds of dollars in his wallet, did that make him feel like a man? I didn't understand his point. He just said if he wanted to, he should be able to. I never EVER told him what to do with money. We always kept everything in the open, joint accounts, etc. So, as time went by and he became angrier when I asked why he wouldn't bring his check stubs home, I loaded up the children and left. He was the type who thought I would do nothing and he was shocked as h*ll when I did.

The emotional turmoil that puts in your mind is simply not worth it. No answers from him, being told we don't have the money, when I knew full well we did and I would do without while he was out there blowing it on just stupid stuff. One day I had to use his car to take our child to school, let down the visor, and there was around 1600 dollars. That's all she wrote. I didn't believe for a minute he was having an affair. I just realized I was living with a very hateful man who didn't give a rat's butt about my feelings.

It's a simple as this, it really is. When a spouse starts lying about money in your household, there is a problem. In this case, you said your husband has been lying and doing this all along. I can't imagine how you must feel from day to day. Quite frankly, I just realized my husband just was screwed up and I sure was not going to go down with him and told him if he suddenly felt the need to hide his money to make him feel like a big shot, he could explain to the judge where he hid it when child support and alimony time came around.

Please give yourself some peace of mind. I know you are concerned about your children, but believe me, if they don't sense it right now, they will know daddy is doing something wrong towards mom sooner or later. It will affect them down the road one way or another.

I have to tell you counseling just does not work for that kind of man. You will have to play hard ball. He will never open his eyes otherwise and be prepared that he may himself live in denial about his problem forever.....do you really want to go down that path with him? When the kids are gone, you're still stuck with those feelings or lack thereof.
My 2 cents.

If you really want to teach her responsibility, have her make TIMELY payments to you, just as she would if she had to take out a loan (although I wouldn't charge her interest). Have her pay for her own insurance bill and gas, although if she is running errands for you, you could work out a deal for gas--one tank a week for example. If she's too busy to have an outside job, I would come up with some type of home job for her (washing all vehicles, cleaning out the attic, etc.) so that she understands the car comes with a price tag.


my 2 cents
My kids aren't old enough for their own cars yet but here's what my parents did with me and I think it was a pretty good deal:

I worked parttime to pay for my own gas and most of my insurance. My parents picked up the rest and since the car was paid off they just gave it to me. Also if there were any "upgrades" I wanted I had to pay for it myself. I was a decent student but in no way compared to your daughter.

My hubby and I have already decided that when our oldest turns 16 we will buy him a car (older & cashola, of course) and what he will be responsible for depends on his grades and extracurricular activities. If he's on the same level as your daughter, I see no problem picking just about all her expenses. Perhaps give a weekly allowance for gas. If she has a way to earn money (i.e. babysitting) then perhaps start with just minor expenses, adding on more as she can afford it and still keep up her activities/grades.
Just my 2 cents...

There were occassions that I remember when our church was in deep financial trouble - both times it was because of a pastor that people didn't care for, so attendance was low, which equalled low offerings.  However, we still had to pay the salary of said pastors, as well as heating oil and electricity at the church, payroll for other employees and payroll taxes, church upkeep, etc.  Our treasurer would come to council meetings and say - I can't pay the bills, and he even stopped taking a salary at one point.  If we would've added property taxes on top of that mess, I know we would've had to close the doors.  Thankfully, God is good and we are in much better shape now.  I'm now the treasurer and I never forget what we've gone through in previous years because I know how quickly things can turn around. 


Sorry so long winded, but I don't see it as a black and white - yes churches should pay taxes issue.  It's a big gray area with a lot of varibles.  Just my opinion.


My 2 cents
Seems like you are caught between a rock and a hard place, so to speak. But, I would be very cautious about pointing fingers towards someone because they make racial remarks or act different. This boy may very well have come from a family where they don't want him associating with blacks, and unfortunately, he may have adopted those feelings, but that doesn't make him a killer. In my community, lots of racial remarks are made at schools all the time, so if teachers turned everyone in, the majority of the school would be locked up. City schools are majority black, county schools are majority white. Most racial remarks are made by the black children, calling each other the "n" word, not to mention lots of other filthy things. Blacks and whites call each other names, often harmless friendly banter, but that's how it is. I understand your small community situation, but that could also be a horrible thing for that child to have to live down and accusing him unfairly could push him into even more bad feelings.... I'm sorry you are in this situation. Maybe talk to your son and ask him to not discuss this in school or with his friends anymore. Talk to his school and ask them what are they doing as a precaution today and for days to come.....hopefully, they are taking other measures as well.
Just my 2 cents
The school should have immediately informed you that they provided medical attention to your son (yep, ice pack = medical attention). If they called the other mother then they should have called you. In my experience (I have 6 kids) talking to the other mother will do no good, when the child is at school, it is the SCHOOLS responsibility to see this doesn't happen. You should make it known that in the future you expect a phone call from them, or they can expect one from your attorney, and if they cannot control the child in the classroom, either that child, or yours, should be moved to another part of the class, or a different class altogether. Ask yourself, how would you handle this had she stabbed him in the eye? Next time she might.
My 2 cents

IMHO, the school officials should be ashamed of themselves for not contacting you immediately!!   Somehow, I would expect more sensitive treatment from a Catholic private school, too. 


I truly believe that, if my son had stabbed another child with a pencil, the school would likely have called the police and charges of assault and battery may have been filed, right there on the spot, no matter what the age.  That little girl is mighty lucky.


In our public school district, a 2nd grader was suspended for 3 days because he remarked to the teacher that she was "pretty."  No physical harm was done.  My point is, if a child can deserve such a punishment for innocently complimenting a teacher, regardless of whether or not it constitutes "sexual harrassment", the incident with the pencil stab wound should not go unpunished, and, as the parents of the victim, you should make it clear that you do not intend to gloss over it like just a routine event in the day of a school child.  It seems to me that it is to the benefit of your child to make as big a deal of this as you need to.  If you do little to nothing, what message does that relay to your child--that he is not important enough to defend in this case?  That his rights are less important than those of the girl?  That girls should be allowed to beat up on boys with little to no punishment?  Your own son's self-esteem is at stake here.  While it is good to teach him the golden rule, it is also good to teach him to assertively stand up for his rights.


My son is a BIG, husky boy.  Things like this happened to him during his public school years.  All he had to do was look sideways at someone, and I would be called; but when someone hurt him, the school didn't want to "bother mom and dad at work."  What an excuse.  I started documenting everything in written form, even sent faxes.  The school hated that I put everything in writing, but I believe they respected us or, at least, pretended to respect us, and my son experienced fewer problems with verbal and physical abuse from other students after that.


Best to you.


Here is my 2 cents sm
First off CLEAN YOUR DRYER VENT. Not only is this costing you money, it is a significant fire hazard!!!! I have had mine done at my old house and they pulled out 40 lbs of lint. My clothes dried in FAR less time.

Second, if you are worried about germs, especially E. coli, you use the dryer. The dirtiest place in your house is the inside of your washer, think about it. The heat of the dryer kills bacteria left from mixing the all those items of clothing from different family members. The sun and wind, while nice, don't do much to kill bacteria.

Third, you would need to check in your area, but if you have natural gas available, it can be cheaper to have a gas dryer. At my old house, the power company gave me $50 for putting a gas dryer and another $50 for putting in a gas range. You would need to ask if they have something like that running to help defer the cost of putting in and buying a new appliance.

Alternatively, you can hang your stuff out to dry and run in the dryer, on hot for 10 to 15 minutes to soft things back up and kill some of the bacteria from drying outside. It will soften up T shirts and towels for you as well, but it will save money.

Look into making your own laundry detergent and dryer sheets for less money. While you are at it, look up what you can cut with your dishwasher powder to extend it and save money.
My 2 cents
I am honestly not putting any blame on you here. I am just going to briefly tell you my experience. I went through something similar with my son around the same age and he was right. I was yelling and fussing over the simplest things. I didn't realize it until he called me on it, and then I asked him to calmly point it out each time I was doing it. Things got much better shortly after that. I really like the calender idea. I am not saying you are doing anything wrong, but you have a lot of extra stress on you right now and may not realize how you are reacting.

BTW, sometimes divorce is the answer. I am not divorced but my parents are and it was for the best.
RE: My 2 cents
I posted that before I read this post. Glad you had that talk with him. My son is much older now and the only thing we can't talk about is politics. LOL!
My two cents
It's a sad day when people think of children as "belongings" rather than human beings. Whether or not they are actually his own children one only knows. Debbie Rowe can can say anything she wants now that Michael is dead but she really should watch out what she says if she cares at all for them. I never followed the story of her, so I don't know whether she was paid for her services or if she is raising them or what. I don't know anything about her and I don't even know what she looks like. But if she cares anything about children she should be careful what she says because my opinion is that these children know Michael Jackson as their father.

MJ I believe had a very troubled and disturbed soul and am glad he is finally lifted from the confines of physical life and hope he is at peace now. I got tired of the media blitz after the first 2 hours of the solid media circus. All those who criticized him and judged him when he was alive are now acting as though they were his best friends and they actually cared about him when he was alive.

Whether or not these children are of flesh and blood or adopted they are still his children and he raised them their entire life. I think if it comes out that they were not his legally it would be devastating to them. I also wonder how much Debbie Rowe is now getting paid for her interviews. Could be a motivating factor I would say.
My 2 cents, FWIW
I learned a long time ago that if I went to Church for the people, I'd always get hurt. If I went for my relationship with Deity, I'd avoid much of the drama that exists in these sorts of environments. And it does exist in ALL religious environments.

Concentrate on SPIRITUALITY rather than RELIGIOSITY, and it can really help one to have a lighter heart. I hope this helps.
Does anyone have a bread machine?

If so, would you recommend getting one and which brand is good? 


Bread Machine
Hi - I love bread!  I have a Hitachi that is old and works great.  I am antsy to get a new one though and think I will get a Zojirushi - they are the best I know of.  I mostly use mine to mix dough and then I proof it outside the machine (I proof in my dehydrator, you just take out the shelves and set it on low and shortly thereafter all the rising is finished - I use a big dehydrator from Excalibur so a lot of bread can fit in there!  Yummy bread.  It also saves a lot of money because bread is now about 2.50 a loaf or more for good bread, but mine is better and is way cheaper!  I got one for my daughter and got her the one she wanted (a Panasonic), which is half the price of a Zo and she thinks works just as well.  Just get one with the bigger size insert so you can make big bread if you want (you can always make it smaller, just by using the small recipe size if you just mix in your machine and get one that has a setting for adding in add-ins (like raisins or nuts or whatever).  Those are the important things in bread.  Go to King Arthur Flour website and check out the bread!  It is the best place to buy ingredients that you might not find in your own town if you live in a small one.  Now I am hungry for bread from all this and think I will go put some Portugese Sweet Bread in there for later! Good luck with your bread!  Maybe we could quit transcribing and open a bakery!  That might be fun!   
bread recipes
Would the kind lady who posted her bread recipes please reply to me, even if it is my private e-mail address,  with the recipes that she had for 4 loaves of bread.  My hard drive crashed and even though I copied the recipe  to my word expander, I was not able to print it out.
Bread at Sams
I know this isn't latte, but my husband and I found a certain organic wheat bread at Sam's Club that we absolutely loved. It was 4 loaves in a bag for around 5 bucks....great price and great bread. It was fresh bread, so 15 minutes in the oven and it was ready!!!! They discontinued it and I called them. The marketing guy said he knew exactly what I was talking about because he and his wife loved it also, but the numbers showed it wasn't selling as well, so they placed it in different places in the store locally, but it still didn't sell well, so they discontinued it. I can't imagine that because every time I went in, there were tons of empty boxes I had to move around to get to the new ones. Did they tell you it wasn't selling well?
Homemade Bread

I'd like to start making my own bread. I can only tolerate easy recipes and not too time consuming. Is making your own bread easy, moderate or difficult? if it's easy, do you have any tried and true recipes?


Should I buy a bread machine? What can you tell me about bread machines and their ability to pop out good tasting bread, also, with bread machines, do you have to use a pre bought packet or can you stick your own ingredients in there and bake?


Homemade bread
Well, I'm old-fashioned. I've never used a bread machine in my life. But I do make four loaves of bread at least every week and my family can't live without it (I say in all modesty). I've won blue ribbons at the County Fair for it. This is how I do it - This may seem very long and involved, but it's because I'm trying to describe it really thoroughly. Don't let the length of the instructions put you off. Do try it!

The initial makinag and kneading of the dough only takes about twenty minutes - the rest is waiting time, mostly.

I start with dry yeast, one package in a half a cup of hot tap water, stir it up and let it sit for 5-10 minutes. While it's sitting, I put three cups of hot water in a big mixing bowl with two teaspoons of salt, two tablespoons of sugar, and a quarter stick of margarine (or butter if you prefer). I heat that in the microwave for three minutes.

Then I add two cups of flour to the ater/salt/sugar/ butter and stir it up. You'll need a strong spoon because it'll get pretty thick later on. I have a favorite wooden spoon that I use. Once that's mixed in (it doesn't have to be completely smooth) add the yeast, then add another half cup of hot water to rinse the rest of the yeast out of the cup and into the dough. Stir that up, and then start adding your flour. I start with a total of ten cups, usually get close to twelve. You can do that all at once or two cups at a time. After it gets too hard to stir, it's time to put some of the last two cups of flour on the table and dump the dough mixture out onto the table. Then comes the fun, especially if you're stressed. Start kneading the dough, adding more flour when it gets sticky. Depending on how humid it is, you may need another cup or two cups. I usually add about half a cup at a time gradually each time it gets sticky. If you put in too much all at once, it may turn out too heavy. At eleven or twelve cups, you will hit the point when your hands don't stick to the dough anymore. Then just knead it for another several minutes until it's smooth "as a baby's bottom" was how I was taught.

Then I wash out the bowl and dry it with a clean dish towel, spray the inside with cooking spray, put the dough in, then thoroughly wet the towel (not dripping, but don't wring it out all the way either), and cover the bowel. That'll keep the dough from drying out while it's rising. Set in in a warm place to rise. In the summer I set it on my stove with the light on over it. In the winter, I'll put a pan of warm water in the oven on the bottom shelf and put the bowl on the top shelf.

Let it rise to double its original size, about an hour. Can be more. Dough is very forgiving if you let it rise too much. Then fold it in on itself, recover it and let it rise again. I usually let it rise at least two or three times. The more often you let it rise, the lighter it will be.

After the last rising, I spray my four loaf pans with cooking spray, then take the dough out, put in on the table and divide it into four parts with a large knife. Then, fold it in and under to form a loaf and put it in the loaf pan. Set that to rise to double. At about 45 minutes, start preheating the oven to 375 degrees. When the dough is the height you want (it will rise a little more in the oven), stick it in the oven for 30 minutes. It should be golden brown on top when it's done. Take the loaves out of the pans immediately and put them on a cooling rack so moisture doesn't accumulate under them.

The family will attack the first loaf of bread immediately, be forewarned! The other three, when they are almost cool, put them in regular bread bags you have saved from store-bought bread. I freeze mine, because this has no preservatives and does get stale quickly. It's best eaten within a day or two of making it or thawing it. That's never a problem in my house.

I hope you try it. It's a great feeling, getting all the accolades from your family and friends. PS - if you're lactose intolerant, like me, there are no milk products in it. I never eat store-bought bread anymore. It also makes the best toast in the world, and French toast?!? Wonderful!
homemade bread
She's absoloutely correct! I love making my own bread. My kids are gone now, so I don't make as much, but give it away. It doesn't last long if it sticks around here and there is such a good feeling when you've done it yourself. No preservatives and junk included. That being said, I do have a bread machine as well, have rarely used it, but when I do, it does a gresat job and I can make more types of bread because I can just throw everything in and let the machine do the rest. It really does turn out good and I am freed up to do other stuff, like work!!
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Thanks for sharing your recipe. I lost my bread book in a flood here in Florida when there was 8 inches of water in my house and my recipes were on the bottom shelf of my cabinet (among other recipes) and have not made any bread since. My mother bought me an "earthenware bowl" that she paid a lot for to rise the dough which retains the temperature. I only have 3 loaf pans but will buy another. I bought a breadmaker machine but did not use it much. I used it for rye bread which is hard to knead because it is more coarse. My family loved my bread and I pretty much loved to have my hands in that dough. I know it is somewhat exhausting, but I find it almost therapeutic and stress reducing. I am going to try your recipe.
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When you say you put yeast in hot water, do you mean just warm water??  I thought hot water would make the yeast not work. 
Never could get the bread machines
to work really well using fresh ingredients, the boxed mixes worked good but are more expensive than a loaf of bread. I have a few recipes for the oven that turn out great though.
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The bread came out just "okay" with King Arthur Flour, it was a great experience though and I can't wait to get to the market to get the actual "bread flour;" hopefully will be within a few days. We have a Christmas Tree Shop in the next town and will try to get there to get the flour cheaper. We are also close to (excuse this) Wal-Mart. The aroma alone was great and I was amazed at how it kneaded itself, etc., as this is the part I was dreading when making bread. The Oster does it all for $59 with a $10 coupon good next week at Kohl's. I can't say it was that good this a.m., I did cut a thin slice and toasted it. Our Golden Retriever was salivating but we're watching his diet. I will be looking for bargains and enjoying having the aroma in the house. We have cold winters in NE so the smell of bread and crock pot meal or mac and cheese is a good thing! I feel like Martha! (I could pack on the pounds with this.) The crust was crunchy and the inside well cooked. I may try pizza dough in it one night as well. I could become addicted to this experimenting with bread over $4 to $7 a loaf around here. Thanks for the input.
I have a bread machine but....

how do you bake without using the pan they provide? I have an Oster and the pan has the mixer built right in.