Haven't you heard? Freedom of religion isn't for...SM
Posted By: ChristianMT on 2008-04-27
In Reply to: Regarding prayer thread below (sm) - Give me a break!!!
Christians. It's for everyone else. Sure a Muslim can pray in this country anytime they want, heck you can worship satan himself or practice witchcraft, but a be a Christian and actually admit you are one, let alone pray or read your Bible in public... come on, are you serious? You know every Christian has a secret agenda. We're just proselytizing little brainwashed fools. We're not just praying quietly to ourselves -- we are praying God will send a lightening bolt and strike all the unbelievers. We Christians aren't just placing our Bibles on our desks to read during our breaks -- we HOPE to beat someone over the head with it at some point during the day.
Freedom of religion has been twisted by the liberal spin doctors. It only applies to to those who think like them.... ironic isn't it?
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them." -- Lenny Bruce
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i beg to differ. I wish i had freedom FROM religion
I get treated by a leper because I am athiest.
That's what I LOVE about America. Freedom of Religion, speech, etc. But sm
I have to say, if you are an atheist (I am a Christian, BTW), where is your moral "compass" (sorry for the pun) I was an atheist for many, many years (3/4 of my life spent without God or religion). In that time I was: Suicidal, desperate, a liar, a phony, had no direction in life, a slander and just about everything else worldly you could think of. I was selfish..must I go on?
Then, when I hit rock bottom I had no where to look but up. He was there (God). He placed me upon a rock and I've never looked back or down since. I can honestly say I no longer lie or think bad thoughts about other people. I have a clear direction for my life. I do follow Biblical principles and obey His laws. I have a moral compass and a value system I am so proud of. As an atheist there was no right or wrong in my life. Since I didn't fear God I did basically whatever I felt was good or right, even believe in abortion. I am being totally transparent with you, from one ex-atheist to another atheist.
How do you explain a radical life change such as myself? Where do you draw your line of morality from? God says abortion is wrong and so it's wrong. God says a gay lifestyle is an abomination, and so it is. Don't get mad at me, It's in His Word. He said it. Not me.
Anyways, I think that there is much to be said about living a good Christian lifestyle and following its beliefs. My life is in clear order now instead of chaos. I have a life-long goal - to make it to heaven and take those whom I love with me.
What a sad, sad life I led before God. Wow. Like the old saying goes, "I never want to go back to my old life." Good luck to you.
I haven't heard this? sm
I know she "surrendered" to the police on the DUI charge in May. She wasn't officially arrested until after she finished rehab. I haven't heard about her in jail right now.
Haven't heard of that but
you might want to have thyroid and ferritin checked. I actually went to a derm doc for same thing, and he said it's been his experience that a lot of women with hair problem have low ferritin. Mine was borderline-low, so started taking vitamin with a a little iron in it. I probably haven't been getting enough iron in diet and stopped taking iron many years ago. But I think mine is probably a combination of things, since I'm a lot older than you and all the menopause things figured in there too. My GYN PA, before the derm doc, basically said yeah, you're old with no estrogen left, think back to when your hair was in its best shape. Yeah, I remember that when I was pregnant, but kind of patronizing attitude there with no help. Yeah, I know I'm old, okay? 
I haven't heard about that one!
I like him too, though didn't care for him in daddy daycare. I go more for his action packed, manly movies. What movie is it? I'll have to find a trailer. :)
Pierce Brosnan is my #1 but not sure if I want to see him in the musical. I'm afraid it might ruin him for me.
haven't heard......fill me in...
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Haven't heard that, supposed to still be together
Tonight is the *after the final rose* show so guess we'll see how they act.
About a week ago I did read that Tessa apparently blurted out that she was the winner while drinking with friends. Don't they get sued for that or something? : )
That's what I was afraid of. I haven't heard of anything either. sm
Unfortunately, I decided not to call the parent as I kept thinking about our earlier conversation when I called her about her child slapping my son. She had every excuse in the book why she could not come get her child. I was insistent this child was going home because of her behavior and ended up giving in and saying she could stay based on all the excuses her mom gave me. If I was called and told my child had slapped someone at a vistor's house or anywhere for that matter, it wouldn't take me more than 5 minutes to get there and get my child. I'll just have to chalk this up to like mother, like child.
I haven't heard everything about the case
It is so so tragic. All I think about is don't people know how many familes there are who are dying (well dying is a poor choice of words but can't think of another word) to have children (like me). So many couples cannot have children. If the mothers/parents can't handle them then why don't they bring them somewhere so they don't do something horrible like this. I do believe the rat-fink mother definitely did this. Intentional or not I have no idea unless I hear more. But I don't think that really matters whether it was intentional or not. You would think a person in their right mind at some point of doing the act they did say to themselves what in the world am I doing. I don't care if you panic or not. Rush that child to an ER and then take it from there. If she can't handle having kids have family or friends or anyone take them.
I think her actions are speaking loudly. I do believe she did it and she thought she was going to get away with it. I think she thought she wouldn't be found. I'm not a parent but I do believe that parents know where their kids are every hour of the day. To not report something for a month???? I also believe the grandparents new because the grandmother told the police it smelled like a dead body. Usually if something stinks really bad people will say something like "it smelled like something died in here" or "it smells like a dead rat". Not "it smelled like a dead body". What would she know what a dead body smelled like". So with those comments I believe the grandparents knew and tried to help cover it it.
It's just a real mess and very tragic.
I haven't heard from her since that email
I'm thinking that either she has given up OR has finally realized how ridiculously out of line she was and is too embarassed to say anything else. I would hope that my second thought is the correct one. Either way, I don't think we'll be hearing from her again, at least not for a loooooong time, which is 100% fine with us. We don't need that kind of unecessary drama in our lives, especially after all of the outrageous and false personal attacks she made at both of us. The one that really made my blood boil is when she said that we are financially irresposible and tend to get in over our heads, which is downright untrue! Frankly, both my husband and I are great at budgeting our money, pay our bills, and still manage to have enough left over for things we want, and I think there may be a tad bit of jealsouly from her in that respect. She is the one who is always getting in over her head. She has 2 sons who are almost 30 and she has always had to pay almost all of their bills because they refuse to work and want to do nothing but sit around and be lazy all day and night. Oh well. We have other friends who are actually "normal!" :)
Oh, gee, get a freakin life! Haven't you ever heard of something
called IMAGINATION! You sound just like the mother on Miracle on 34th Street. Life is hard enough, why not let your kids have fun in the believing in Santa?
I haven't heard anymore about this-maybe they were stopped
They came here to PA to protest a soldier's funeral this winter. The only thing they hadn't planned on was the fact that the town where the funeral was held was so small, there was one main street in and out...and that was blocked by the Harley riders and others, so they didn't get in.
Now there's a word I haven't heard in ages....... sm
scrapple!
Used to love it fried up for breakfast with eggs and biscuits.
Haven't you heard? We're in a recession and/or depression?
so, why would there be a raise in benefits if there is no inflation?
Freedom first and most important
My husband has only danced with me ONCE during our entire (more than two-decade) marriage and that was under extreme pressure from his buddies (we were out with a group of friends, mostly couples).
I lost my identity for a long time but after YEARS of marriage I am starting to get it back. Baby steps, but little by little...
Freedom of Speech--What has happened to it? sm
According to the first amendment of our constitution, everyone has the right to speak freely. This was a *personal* blog and not on school property. As mentioned before, could perhaps speak to the parents and let the parents decide punishment, but I do not believe the school should have the right to suspend a child for voicing his/her *opinion*. If the child said that to the teacher's face, that would be different. A blog is really no different than writing a diary or perhaps even a book. Just because it is on line and available for everyone to see, does not change her right to say what she said. It is just an opinion and everybody is entitled to one. I would be more upset with the person who printed it out and showed it to the school teacher. Who made that person a *blod monitor*??? just my opinion -- entitled to it, just like every one else.
LOVE the freedom from other humans, but
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the world isn't losing freedom of speech...
Just the Christians! Talk about anything except God, Jesus, Church, etc., and we're gonna pay and pay dearly for it, I am afraid! 
My freedom what I dinna realise was quite so nice until later.
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You misinterpret what freedom of speech means.
It means you are free to speak against the government on public property without fear of retribution.
You don't have a right to slam others and a blog is on private intellectual property, and probably not even that girl's own private website.
You can have your own opinions but you don't have a right to just throw them about carelessly and harm the reputation of others.
Puhleez, everyone has freedom except for Christian, white, heterosexuals.
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A shame this place is so catty. But that is freedom of speech for you.
People come here to be supported, but need to realize there are all kinds of opinions out there. When you place yourself on a public forum to be supported expect to be bashed. That is the way of the world unfortunately. Just learn to try to see who wants to help and who wants to hurt. All kinds of agendas here. Your instincts will tell you who is real and who are the trolls. To all who are well-meaning here and look for support,or provide constructive criticism hang in there. Just filter out the bad and take away from it what you will.
I've heard of tops and also heard it is a good group.
Tell them it is against your religion.
That has worked for me and have had some say, really? I just refuse, simple for me.
As far as I know, it sounds like her religion....
is Penecostal. I believe that the women in that religion wears skirts at all times. Jehovah's Witnesses do not wear skirts all the time, only when attending congregation meetings and when out in their ministry that they do.
I feel very sorry for the OP because it sounds like her & hubby are good friends to the couple. It is true that divorce hurts everyone....what's worse is that marriage can sometimes hurt everyone too.
In a case like this, it is better to just be supportive to both parties and try not to take sides, hopefully they will iron things out.
This is not religion, this is MYTH.
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No MT, no politics, no religion. Anything else is ok.
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I am not trying to be disrespectful but her religion- sm
is/was her business. If I was on my deathbed the last thing I would want do discuss with my relatives would be if I had accepted Jesus into my heart, etc. I really hate it that new "christians" feel it is there mission in life to "save" everybody and feel they have to convert everybody and save them from themselves. My dad has recently refound religion and it is causing lots of strife in our family which is very non-religious. No one wants to be with him because his is constantly nagging us to go to church with him, to convert, etc. He blamed it on my mom (who is dead) as the reason why he did not return to the church sooner - horsepucky as Colonel Potter would say-- once she died he was re-born 3 months later. I am not baptist, nor do I go to church, nor do my kids. They know about Jesus and God though, but I don't feel the need or desire to go to church every Sunday and hand them over 10% of our gross income which in our case would almost pay for a second house. You should not be worrying about your grandmother's salvation, worry about yourself and stop trying to save the world. I am sure she is where she wanted to be and her spirit will live on in your heart and memories.
That's the Muslim Religion
Haven't you seen or heard how they treat their women, especially with all the stuff happening in the Middle East now. They are the ruler of the family and the women must cow-tow [sic] to them.
IOW, women are second class citizens in their world just like it used to be in the U.S. before Susan B. Anthony and others. If you daughter wants to be independent, there is no way it will happen being married to him. I wouldn't even bother telling the parents since they are getting a divorce, BUT MAKE SURE you get a restraining order on him or else it may get very dangerous.
I don't mean to scare you, but please be careful.
woodchucks & religion
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could wood? Gotta smile....As for the posts about religion, let the Christians be.... It matters not whether you're Baptsit, Jewish, Budhist, Christian, Hindu, Catholic, AME Zion, 7th day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, atheists...There's a lot more people here in the US with diverse backgrounds and beliefs....That's what makes this country so great...freedom of speech and the freedom to practice the religion of your choice Lighten up.
This is too much! I was just over on the Religion board and sm
someone posted a link to Alan Jackson's How Great Thou Art. It was an amazing tribute. Then another slow song came on after that and I came over here while letting the music play in the background. I was doing fine until I read about the 10 y.o. getting fitted for dentures. I am bawling my eyes out over here! I have a sweet, precious, well-behaved 10 year old son. I can't imagine. I just can't. O God, help us.
I am not turning this to a religion argument- sm
I prefer not to have my child taught at a church school for personal reasons. The school they were attending squeezed in church teachings as it is, though they were not a church school, and I was not thrilled with that either. Some teachers did it more than others. As for find a teacher that "really cares" only being at a church affiliated school, that is quite a broad statement to make. At the private school my kids had been attending, the teaches were paid 25% less than what the teachers made at the public school level, which could mean 3 things, the teacher really cared and wanted a small class size to teach, (2) wanted kids that were less troublesome to teach and better behaved (3) the teacher was inadequate and could not get hired in a public school (which was the case for a few teachers where my kids were). ---There are a lot of angles to look at when considering private school religion is one of them, tuition, quality of the teachers, certification, the school board, the parent organization, the involvment expects --ours was extreme involvement which is good and bad (burnout)--I am much happier now with the kids in public school, and my 8-y/o is now actually being taught by a qualified computer teacher and not some old lady who knew nothing about computers or computer programs trying to make a few extra bucks having the kids make designs and pictures on the computer (they had a new computer teacher every year as they'd quit every year). There are pros and cons to every school, you got to find out what you want to deal with.
yep, religion and landowners.....I agree! sm
The Crusaders - yep, I remember it well. Also, I divorced a man who later on became born again and now we cannot have ONE conversation without him bringing that aspect of life into the convo.
Really bothers me too........geesh.
there are *weird psychos* in EVERY religion...
I so respect everyone's religion but I am appalled by religious fanatics...the ones who go wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy overboard and I think misinpret Bibles.......taking things to the EXTREME.....
fanatics, extremists - nope, cannot deal with them....and shouldn't have to but I notice each religion has so many different levels and sects - it's almost like different religions within each separate religion....I get some of that....but not all of it....
*scratches head quizzically* because I'm a live and let live type of person and so it's difficult to understand why EVERYONE doesn't let everyone live and let live.....
Not the right term to use here. Amen against religion?nm
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I also know of one religion that helps out community
they actually pay back some in taxes to communities where there is a volunteer fire department, etc., precisely because they benefit from such services.
No, it is an inferance and any teaching of religion -sm
should be done by the parents. I had my kids in private school up until 2 years ago, took them out for several reasons, one being that many of the teachers were teaching about God and making them pray before every meal (snack and lunch). I was paying $12K a year for my kids not to be in a church school, as this was not a religious school (or at least not supposed to be). I could have sent them to many, many cheaper schools in the area but they were all church affiliated. Some of us don't want our kids to be taught by others. I explain all the different religions to my kids, but don't want some outsider to teach their beliefs to my child. It is not their business to teach religion, if they want to do that then become a minister and run a church.
But, shouldn't this be on the RELIGION Board?? nm
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Are you rejecting religion and the Bible or God?
I have problems myself with organized religion; however, I have personal proof of life after death, which leads me to believe in a Creator. Just curious about where you're coming from.
I know the catholic religion has guidelines
that my religion, Methodist, don't have as I have relatives that have converted so they can get married. I think in my cousin's case, he did not want to jump through all those hoops and was thinking about getting married by a methodist preacher. That priest told them that if they do that, but then his wife-to-be would loose her place in the church, meaning she could still go but she could not, participate in ceremonies, make decisions for the church etc., because she would not be considered married and living in sin.
Anyway, I think your dd and future SIL should get a 2nd opinion from another priest. But, you should remember too that this is their battle. If they are big enough to get married, they are big enough to fight their own battles. If they truly want to be married than they will and this is pretty much small potatoes.
Sounds like a conservative religion. Mennonite
perhaps? They are less conservative than Amish, but very conservative - skirts and meeting in homes being my only clues. But that said - normally any conservative "religion" also does not approve of divorce no matter what - save adultery. And I have heard that some conservative "reconstructionist" groups do not even support divorce under those circumstances either - sounds like the wife is playing some games. Very sad, and I'm sorry for you folks, too. Divorce hurts everyone.
take your bible thumping to the religion board.
Another good example of a CARNAL "Christian" calling people pathetic and nauseating, a fine example of "love thy neighbor as thyself." LOL
Didn't say you couldn't talk about religion
She just said to take it to the Christianity Boards and keep it off the Gab Board. I had no problem with it, but the we're not in charge, the modertor/adminstrator is.
Isn't it illegal to fire someone for observing their own religion? nm
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Also try reading about comparative religion and myth - sm
I recommend The Power of Myth (book and series of specials on PBS) with Joseph Campbell. Interesting stuff. The search for the meaning of life is world-wide and Christianity is certainly not the only belief system out there, nor organized religion in general for that matter!
Religion is not the only means to spirituality or vice versa (SM)
They certainly do exist together for many people, but they do exist exclusive of each other for others. An atheist can be the most spiritual person on the block over his or her religious peers. Spirituality is a concept that is different for each person. It is what makes a person feel they are at the right place at the right time, like they are at peace, or whatever someone decides for themself is their truth.
Think outside the box!
Yes, but Indian's from India are not Muslim. They are of the Hindu religion. sm
they also believe in reincarnation and not the Koran.
They do treat women as a much lower class, though.
Doesn't matter what religion they are, the Indians treat
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I did last year and promptly told to post on religion board.
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Heads up! The Gab board is for general discussion not to include MT, Religion, or Politics.
This was put into place when we very first set up the Gab board. We have a Christianity, Conservatives, and Liberals forum that you can post on. But, let me be clear. I do not condone trashing of anyone's religious preference and neither should you. I expect posts on any of these forums to be respectful (that does NOT mean we are censoring, there IS a difference). This is NOT open for debate. These are the rules. If you can't respect them, you don't need to post here.
why do people go door to door to talk about their religion?
arent they settitng themselves up for confrontatoin?
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