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I like Michael Moore, but health care SM

Posted By: nnnnn on 2008-01-26
In Reply to: did anybody that saw SiCKO feel - like we are a third world country compared to

in Cuba has declined and it's certainly not great. Don't believe everything you see.

It used to be fair, before the embargo, but it's now third world. What you saw was planned in advance.


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Michael Moore

Unfairenheit 9/11The lies of Michael Moore.




MichaelMoore: Trying to have it three ways
One of the many problems with the American left, and indeed of the American left, has been its image and self-image as something rather too solemn, mirthless, herbivorous, dull, monochrome, righteous, and boring. How many times, in my old days at The Nation magazine, did I hear wistful and semienvious ruminations? Where was the radical Firing Line show? Who will be our Rush Limbaugh? I used privately to hope that the emphasis, if the comrades ever got around to it, would be on the first of those and not the second. But the meetings themselves were so mind-numbing and lugubrious that I thought the danger of success on either front was infinitely slight.


Nonetheless, it seems that an answer to this long-felt need is finally beginning to emerge. I exempt AL Franken's unintentionally funny Air America network, to which I gave a couple of interviews in its early days. There, one could hear the reassuring noise of collapsing scenery and tripped-over wires and be reminded once again that correct politics and smooth media presentation are not even distant cousins. With Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, however, an entirely new note has been struck. Here we glimpse a possible fusion between the turgid routines of MoveOn.org and the filmic standards, if not exactly the filmic skills, of Sergei Eisenstein or Leni Riefenstahl.


To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery.





??Next Michael Moore movie
Perhaps we need to get the attention of Michael Moore to come to our defense.  A sequel to Sicko - regarding the outsourcing of our medical records to other countries - I'll contact him, will you?
I avoid Michael Moore and his "documentaries" whenever possible, BUT
I will watch this movie, I promise.

I don't believe Mr. Moore's beaming portrayal of the European and Canadian health care systems is completely accurate. I have a number of Canadian friends who have described the system as chaotic and overwhelmingly dangerous and dysfunctional. The wait lists for some routine or non-emergency procedures can be literally months long.

I'm an RN and have worked with Canadian nurses who said they crossed the border because they can't earn a competitive wage in their own country. One of my patients (a Canadian now living in the US) had the misfortune of having a heart attack while visiting relatives in BC, and by his own account he had to lie on a gurney in the hallway of the ER for 48 hours while receiving only intermittent treatment. My girlfriend told me pregnant women there don't get epidurals during labor because there is never time or an anesthesiologist available to administer them.

None of this excuses the health care crisis in the United States, but it should cause us to question whether adopting a national plan is truly the answer to our problems. I just know I don't want Canada to be our model.
Post from main board ie Michael Moore movie Sicko

I have NO desire to see this movie, and I believe that it is just perpetuating and promoting what is going on in this county  -- I recently suffered a broken leg and went to THE "county hospital, i.e., Jackson Memorial, in Miami/Dade County  -- the ONLY reason that I even went there was because of the fact that my significant other did not understand that with my insurance through CHAMPUS that I could be seen at any or all hospitals in the Miami area  -- as a side note, the ONLY time that I have been "turned down" is at a Kaiser facility as far as being seen as a CHAMPUS patient.


CHAMPUS is the major insurance carrier that serves our military and their familes once the service member is honorably discharged, retires from active duty or dies in active combat or retired. 


What I endured at Jackson was little short of HORRENDOUS and I believe that if any of us were to be seen at a major medical facility, we would soon find this out.


Jackson Memorial is 1500 beds  -- I was initially seen in their "Extreme Care" section  -- I got there at 11:30 a.m. and was finally out of there at 11:30 p.m.  In the meantime, I walked down to their radiology department because the ignoramous P.A. did not put me in a wheelchair or crutches after I told him that the ankle area had been bruised for a week  even after I wrapped it, Epsom salts, ice packs etc  -- guess their attitude was "oh well"  -- sure enough, it was a fracture  -- they lost my records and with my second appointment it was from approximately 9:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. to be seen in their "Trauma Clinic"  -- no docs, just residents,but tell you what, if you are of Hispanic descent, or poor  -- BOY do you get preferential treatment  -- needless to say, I am still in pain, with swelling, can't wear a shoe after the cast being off a week, and cannot get results  -- I called the ER a bit ago and told them that I was going to be seen at a real hospital and that they could take their treatment and stick it


Bottom line is that patient care has TRULY gone down the toilet, whether it be a nurse, doctor or ANY kind of healthcare professional.


 


Why did you get a dog when you cannot pay for health care
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Then you ARE able to pay for health care for her. You are not
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You pay for health care. This isnt what I mean. I mean ppl who
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Health care is important, but..

Dr C will be the new health care CZAR
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Dear God! And no one wants universal health care in the US because that would be, like
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We need DOCTORS in charge of our health care,
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EXACTLY and that's why your health care premiums are so high
I think I do more obese/morbidly obese patient reports than not
Pertaining to health care in Cuba, which poster
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well maybe if health care providers weren't flooded
you wouldn't have such a long wait time and wouldn't need more doctors. I would hope the government would crack down on such things like smoking and fast food if it took over the health care industry.
vent - Personal appearance of health care staff
My mother was recently in our local hospital for a short stay and when I was visiting, I was shocked at the unkempt appearance of some of the nurses. For example, one nurse had long, messy, straggly hair that IMO would have looked much nicer washed AND pulled back out of the way. I mean I was just shocked that they were allowed to be so unkempt looking in a hospital setting! Just venting. . . . maybe I'm just getting old, I dunno. It seems to me standards have really fallen.
Dudley Moore had......sm
a disease called progressive supranuclear palsy. It manifests in much the same way as dementia or Alzheimer's and is often misdiagnosed as Alzheimer's because of the behavorial changes. The disease also produces slowed movements of the body which are often confused with Parkinson's.
Might I add that FOX news, who hates Moore..nm

When Sicko came out in Cannes France over a month ago, it was FOX NEWS (who really dislike Moore since Fahrenheit 911 movie) who FIRST commended Moore's SICKO film........FOX NEWS!!!!!!


 


yes yes yes...agree 100%...dudley moore had SO MUCH fun with that film! nm
sure do miss him... "gonna see what we can find today"? well, maybe i'll look for that old vhs tape and play it again...=)
Your post just proved Moore's point
....which is that even those of us who think we have a good health care plan are getting suboptimal care because the doctors have become the slaves of the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.  It's not that way in most other industrialized countries and it doesn't have to be that way here.  It is actually possible to run an efficient health care system where everybody gets treated well, quickly, and fairly without facing bankruptcy in the process. Go see the movie and do a little investigation on your own and you'll see this.  I think you'll find yourself agreeing with more him more than disagreeing with him if you do.
pot/kettle/black.....Moore is FAR from idiocy!!

Definition of IDIOT:  A person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25


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nope, Michael Moore certainly does not quality for your terminology of *idiot* - that probably would be you.


 


I don't care about your things, and can't imagine anyone would care about mine.
Whether it's my eating quirks or my sexual preferences, I have no need to divulge that stuff here.
It's NOT that interesting (mine OR yours!) and nobody cares.
Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher are still married
I say go for it. You only live once. I think that only you know for sure if it's something that you want to pursue. Good luck with whatever you decide.
Yes - Michael or Yuli. nm
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Michael Jackson ....
I saw the same thing and then heard the reports that he had no pulse and was not breathing once the paramedics got to him.  I have been scanning between the big networks, CNN, HLN and Fox and they all say that his situation is "grave."  I changed over to a local channel that, ABC, and they are reporting that he has died. 
So Mr. Hitchens dislikes God and Michael
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Michael Vicks ... I wish I could treat him the same. sm

I'm sorry but I am writing letters to every single sponsor of his and to the NFL and the Falcons. 


If I could, I would treat him the same way he has allowed those poor dogs to be treated. 



Speaking of Michael Vick, did you see...sm
How many of those dogs were rehabilitated and rehomed? Some are living on a sanctuary. Really. There were a few who could not be rehabilitated though and had to be put down but a lot weren't and are great dogs now. I just wanted to add that since speaking of Michael Vick. I know it probably won't make a difference to you but I didn't know if you knew some actually were rehabilitated.
BTW, I am adamantly against fighting pit bulls. That is abuse pure and simple.
Michael Jackson has died (sm)
All the major news shows reporting that he died of cardiac arrest. 
She's beginning to remind me of Michael Jackson....sm
someone crying out for help but no one getting through to them. Of course Michael would alienate or fire anyone that told him he was crazy. Sad thing for Brittney is that this bizarre behavior will hurt her in her custody attempt for the kids, and if she's that mentally unstable she shouldn't have the kids.
Michael Vick pleds GUILTY to
dogfighting charges and will be sentenced December 10th.  He is having a news conference at about 11:30 a.m. EST.  There are people that are supporting him.  How can anyone condone what he has done.  There were supporters at the court house in Virginia who were clapping and singing and saying that they LOVED HIM.  OMG.  He better get time in jail or I have lost all faith in the court system for CELEBS.  He did the crime now he must pay the time.  I do not care what color he is.  He did a horrible thing and should not get away with it. 
Michael Vick getting his way past dues
Whoopi does not seem to know that all southerns are not into dog fighting (ridiculous) but grand jury in Virginia bringing their own charges against Vick for the dog fighting. Just heard on Fox channel. Good for them! Says he could get up to 10 years- hope for that also. What a rotten excuse for a person.
Michael Jackson -Do you think he faked his death?
I just saw his "last picture"  This man was darker skinned -- different nose, completely.  Not the person we've been seeing on TV.  The medical stuff doesn't add up either -- from what I'm reading/hearing with time frames.  Sort of makes one think this was all staged -- he has done it before--staged photos.  Did you see the "body" coming off the HC?  They dropped the gurney and part of it bounced up.  Wouldn't the body not have been stiff by that time?????
Michael Jackson -Do you think he faked his death?
I just saw his "last picture"  This man was darker skinned -- different nose, completely.  Not the person we've been seeing on TV.  The medical stuff doesn't add up either -- from what I'm reading/hearing with time frames.  Sort of makes one think this was all staged -- he has done it before--staged photos.  Did you see the "body" coming off the HC?  They dropped the gurney and part of it bounced up.  Wouldn't the body not have been stiff by that time?????
Michael Jackson -Do you think he faked his death?
I just saw his "last picture"  This man was darker skinned -- different nose, completely.  Not the person we've been seeing on TV.  The medical stuff doesn't add up either -- from what I'm reading/hearing with time frames.  Sort of makes one think this was all staged -- he has done it before--staged photos.  Did you see the "body" coming off the HC?  They dropped the gurney and part of it bounced up.  Wouldn't the body not have been stiff by that time?????
Amanda, now with DR coming out that Michael was not the father
do you still think they look mixed? Oh, I would guess you would say yes as to not backtrack on your comments yesterday. You were so emphatic about how mixed folks could look this way, that way, etc, before the news broke last night about Debbie Rowe saying Michael was not the father of the 2 children. In MJ's case, might be different but when my brother died and my mother tried to push for trust for his children, her grandchildren, she was told by courts she had no say. Being as he was the star he was, might be different case here. I heard later these were not the first statements from her about the paternity of the children, she had said this previously.
boxing announcer Michael Buffer!!! I could listen to him ALL DAY!!! (nm)
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Adam Sandler, Michael Jordan, The Rock (sm)
How's that for variety? LOL!
Forgot to mention I was waiting to see Michael Flatley and SM
after I picked the pan up he came on!  That dance almost made the carpet deal with it!
Oh, my dog is Michael Jordan. I swear she's part deer!

We just moved to the country, but when we lived in town, she jumped the fence I don't know how many times.  When she wants in the house, it's not enough to simply scratch on the door, she has to jump six feet in the air and basically throw herself into the door. 


I just get so frustrated.  I was at friends house who has a golden retriever and they have a little bell hanging from their back doorknob and when their dog wants out, he simple rings the bell and same thing on the outside of the door too.  I was incredulous.  How did they get their dog to do that?!?!?! 


Just heard, Michael Jackson had heart attack?
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Just a sad, sad day. Two pop culture icons die - Farrah and Michael Jackson.

I grew up with Michael Jackson.  Used to watch the Jackson 5 cartoons in the 70s when I was a little kid.  Then bought his first solo album, Off the Wall.  Was watching the Apollo special when he moonwalked for the first time on stage.  Bought Thriller as a teenager in the 80s and was just a huge, big-haired fan.  It's like a part of my childhood just died.


And who can forget Farrah?  I loved Charlie's Angels.  Remember when she came back to acting after Charlie's Angels in the Burning Bed?  Who knew she was more than just a sex symbol on a poster?!?!?!  She fought such a courageous battle against her cancer. 


BREAKING NEWS- Debbie Rowe says Michael is NOT
the father of her children. She has now given an interview today and this is the latest on this. It has been on Fox News tonight. Remember about the talk below where I said needed DNA for those kids?? Guess I might have been right when I said did not ever think they belonged to MJ.
Michael's and other craft/sewing stores have kits to make
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Michael's craft stores offers all kinds of Sat. classes. Or check
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I've given books of stamps, too. New dishtowels. Gift certs to Michael's if
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Do you stencil? Walmart and Michael's locally sell stencils and the dabber brushes.
It is not hard.  I did a design of ivy and then glazed over it (suggestions on type to use from Lowe's) and then found a shower curtain that had the same ivy, material with ivy and light flowers to trim out some towels.  Looks pretty darn nice, if I do say so myself. 
My dad's health...sm
He has stage IV cancer and has been told his current chemo regimen is his last shot.
Health Insurance
Does anyone know where I can get family coverage?  I live in NY and I am taking an IC position.  Thanks
Health insurance, so not sure.
My copay is the normal amount though, so it may not be too expensive. Our more expensive drugs will have a higher copay. You might see if your doctor has samples, just to see if it will work for you.
Age 56, good health; 5' 8" 137-140 lbs.
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This is w/o health insurance either - sm
though ours is cheap (but very, very good). We only pay $140 a month for 4 of us. Of course just about every few months (if not every) something unexpected crops up too, car repair, etc.