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Post from main board ie Michael Moore movie Sicko

Posted By: Passin by on 2007-07-02
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I have NO desire to see this movie, and I believe that it is just perpetuating and promoting what is going on in this county  -- I recently suffered a broken leg and went to THE "county hospital, i.e., Jackson Memorial, in Miami/Dade County  -- the ONLY reason that I even went there was because of the fact that my significant other did not understand that with my insurance through CHAMPUS that I could be seen at any or all hospitals in the Miami area  -- as a side note, the ONLY time that I have been "turned down" is at a Kaiser facility as far as being seen as a CHAMPUS patient.


CHAMPUS is the major insurance carrier that serves our military and their familes once the service member is honorably discharged, retires from active duty or dies in active combat or retired. 


What I endured at Jackson was little short of HORRENDOUS and I believe that if any of us were to be seen at a major medical facility, we would soon find this out.


Jackson Memorial is 1500 beds  -- I was initially seen in their "Extreme Care" section  -- I got there at 11:30 a.m. and was finally out of there at 11:30 p.m.  In the meantime, I walked down to their radiology department because the ignoramous P.A. did not put me in a wheelchair or crutches after I told him that the ankle area had been bruised for a week  even after I wrapped it, Epsom salts, ice packs etc  -- guess their attitude was "oh well"  -- sure enough, it was a fracture  -- they lost my records and with my second appointment it was from approximately 9:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. to be seen in their "Trauma Clinic"  -- no docs, just residents,but tell you what, if you are of Hispanic descent, or poor  -- BOY do you get preferential treatment  -- needless to say, I am still in pain, with swelling, can't wear a shoe after the cast being off a week, and cannot get results  -- I called the ER a bit ago and told them that I was going to be seen at a real hospital and that they could take their treatment and stick it


Bottom line is that patient care has TRULY gone down the toilet, whether it be a nurse, doctor or ANY kind of healthcare professional.


 




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??Next Michael Moore movie
Perhaps we need to get the attention of Michael Moore to come to our defense.  A sequel to Sicko - regarding the outsourcing of our medical records to other countries - I'll contact him, will you?
Michael Moore

Unfairenheit 9/11The lies of Michael Moore.




MichaelMoore: Trying to have it three ways
One of the many problems with the American left, and indeed of the American left, has been its image and self-image as something rather too solemn, mirthless, herbivorous, dull, monochrome, righteous, and boring. How many times, in my old days at The Nation magazine, did I hear wistful and semienvious ruminations? Where was the radical Firing Line show? Who will be our Rush Limbaugh? I used privately to hope that the emphasis, if the comrades ever got around to it, would be on the first of those and not the second. But the meetings themselves were so mind-numbing and lugubrious that I thought the danger of success on either front was infinitely slight.


Nonetheless, it seems that an answer to this long-felt need is finally beginning to emerge. I exempt AL Franken's unintentionally funny Air America network, to which I gave a couple of interviews in its early days. There, one could hear the reassuring noise of collapsing scenery and tripped-over wires and be reminded once again that correct politics and smooth media presentation are not even distant cousins. With Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, however, an entirely new note has been struck. Here we glimpse a possible fusion between the turgid routines of MoveOn.org and the filmic standards, if not exactly the filmic skills, of Sergei Eisenstein or Leni Riefenstahl.


To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery.





I like Michael Moore, but health care SM
in Cuba has declined and it's certainly not great. Don't believe everything you see.

It used to be fair, before the embargo, but it's now third world. What you saw was planned in advance.
I avoid Michael Moore and his "documentaries" whenever possible, BUT
I will watch this movie, I promise.

I don't believe Mr. Moore's beaming portrayal of the European and Canadian health care systems is completely accurate. I have a number of Canadian friends who have described the system as chaotic and overwhelmingly dangerous and dysfunctional. The wait lists for some routine or non-emergency procedures can be literally months long.

I'm an RN and have worked with Canadian nurses who said they crossed the border because they can't earn a competitive wage in their own country. One of my patients (a Canadian now living in the US) had the misfortune of having a heart attack while visiting relatives in BC, and by his own account he had to lie on a gurney in the hallway of the ER for 48 hours while receiving only intermittent treatment. My girlfriend told me pregnant women there don't get epidurals during labor because there is never time or an anesthesiologist available to administer them.

None of this excuses the health care crisis in the United States, but it should cause us to question whether adopting a national plan is truly the answer to our problems. I just know I don't want Canada to be our model.
Anybody see the movie Sicko yet? Important movie!
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SICKO-the movie
Has anyone ever seen the movie SICKO?  It is made by Michale Moore, who does all those documentary films.  I usually don't like him, but if you watch this movie it will make you made.  It made me cry.  It is a movie about our nation's health care.  It like totally blew me away and made me angry about the health care in this country.  My company does offer health care, but even if I can make the line count to get it I still have to pay about $150 plus if I need medicine they may or may not cover it.  It shows that plan about universal healthcare, which I thought was a bad thing, actually is very good.  People in Canada, England, and France pay absolutely nothing.  IN fact if I break my arm in Paris the hospital won't even charge me and I would be an American.  WATCH THIS MOVIE!!!
Main board, gab board, company, etc, just like here,
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She put up an ad on the Main Board, too.

I just saw it on the main board. Maybe it was moved.
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This 1st posted on Main Board & OP said she did
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It got moved to Main Board I think. NM
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Gab board is for non-MT subjects. Please use Main

Please use Main board for discussions regarding MT issues, software, etc. 


 


Thank you


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Just now happened to me. I posted on the main board about it.

I have Norton AV and it called it a "browser exploit" and said the security risk was high.  I have not had this happen before and I would like to know why it is happening now.  It bothers me that this site is under new owners and all of sudden my AV software is detecing security risks when it never did before.


This post will probably be deleted now, but I need to know what is going on.  My PC just crashed a couple of weeks ago due to some corrupted files.  My PC guy, was able to salvage some of my files, but I lost almost everything!  I want to know if that has anything to do with this!


Your post just proved Moore's point
....which is that even those of us who think we have a good health care plan are getting suboptimal care because the doctors have become the slaves of the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.  It's not that way in most other industrialized countries and it doesn't have to be that way here.  It is actually possible to run an efficient health care system where everybody gets treated well, quickly, and fairly without facing bankruptcy in the process. Go see the movie and do a little investigation on your own and you'll see this.  I think you'll find yourself agreeing with more him more than disagreeing with him if you do.
Someone on main board I think, recommended angel food network, which (sm)
I have been familiar with in the past. You might want to check that out as a way to save a lot of money on your food bill.
tv show/movie board
Do any of you feel we could use a TV show/movie board? 
your post reminds me of the Jim Carey movie

Might want to post on your State Board and see
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Trying to post on Gab board to LinK - I think (sm)
Finally watched "Reefer."  Graphic wasn't the word.  EEK!  I'm all caught up now and waiting for Tuesday night. 
I'm going to post on the liberal board
You are totally correct. I'd like to post something to your reply, but want to post on the liberal board. I don't want anyone to get offended here, so will post there.
I know this will get moved to the Gab board, but for some reason I cannot post there and I SM

I really need some opinions.  So when it get's moved, please follow it over.


My son's school called me this morning to tell me that they have not yet received my son's transcripts from his the private school he attended last year.  The secretary at the new school tells me that she when she faxed her request for the records along with my signed release, the school only sent her my son's shot record and any other medical history they had on him and that was it.  They provided no explanation whatsoever.  When she called the old school, she was told that I have an outstanding tuition balance and they refuse to release his records until the balance is paid.


 


Regardless of whether or not I owe them money, can they legally do this?  I have tried to research this to no avail.  All I have found out is a court case in Louisiana where a judge ruled that a private school can refuse to release a student's records to the student's parents if they have not paid tuition, but that legally the school cannot keep the student's records from the student.  Wouldn't this be what the school is doing?  I am not the one requesting copies of my son's records, it is the public school district in which my son is a student that has requested the records.  I simply signed the release forms and gave them my son's proper identifying information, i.e. social security # and birth date so that the school district would be able to obtain his records.


 


I am very angry.  This private school and I have not seen eye to eye for quite some time on a number of different issues.  My son attended there only at the behest of my father-in-law who is a member of the church that owns the school.  My father-in-law offered to pay half the tuition if I let my son go there.  I agreed because it was a small private school and I felt that my son would benefit from the small class sizes and the "Christian" values.  However, over the  four years my son attended that school, I found that these values weren't so "Christian" after all.


 


I had trouble with the school "losing" my tuition payments a few times.  I am not the only parent that had this trouble.  A number of parents received collection calls saying we were behind on our tuition payments and that we needed to pay immediately or our children would not be allowed to attend; only to find that when I presented the school with a copy of my canceled check, the payments were simply not written down in the ledger and were called a "common bookkeeping error."  This happened on more than one occasion and I have contacted my former bank in search of the tuition payment they claim is missing now that has caused them to withhold my son's records.  There were also rumors of embezzelment within the church that owns the school.  Apparently the Pastor embesseled some money from the church to invest in real estate "for the church" and when the IRS starting sniffing around, there was a fall guy that the church refused to press charges on, and a number of church board members were given high paying, useless jobs at the school as a "thank you for keeping your mouths closed."  There are four principles and two superintendents at the school.  This is a school that has maybe 100 students total counting all students, K through 12th grade.  Why on earth do they need that many principles and superintendents?


 


So you see, there are some shady things going on in that school and I have to wonder if this isn't just another ploy to extort more money from me.  Which brings me back to my initial question, can they legally do this?  Even if I truly did owe them money, can they withhold my son's records from a public school district who requires those records in order to make sure my son is placed in the appropriate classes?  Should I contact a lawyer?


 


I am sooooooo mad right now, I can't even see straight! 


the post is on the prayer board, with my reply :)
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There is an autoimmune board - see directly above your post. nm
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When you post a vent on public board, must be
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catching up on reading the board and had to post

In response to the hub-bub about the illegal residents of our country and their lack of interest in learning to speak English - Just a few days ago, my kids got off the school bus and came running in the door in a panic.  One picks up the phone and starts dialing like crazy while the other proceeds to tell me what was going on.


A girl who lives up the road has severe asthma.  While she was on the bus, she started having an asthma attack and her inhaler was empty.  The kids were all trying to tell the bus driver that there was a problem and that the girl needed help. 


Turns out they had a substitute bus driver that day.  This guy speaks very little English and was yelling at the kids over and over again, "Must Go.  Must Go," and continued with his route, completely ignoring the fact that there was an obvious medical emergency on board his bus.


So my kids could not reach the girls parents by phone (busy) and since she still had a long, uphill walk after her bus stop, it was 7 degrees out (not helpful for an asthma attack,) and was in distress when my kids got off the bus,  we hopped in the car and went to get her to take her home. 


By the time we got to her, she was white as a ghost, purple lips, and about ready to pass out.  Her brother was practically dragging her.  Got her in the car and took her to her house where her dad met us. 


Makes me wonder how can a school employee NOT speak or at least understand English well enough to be able to handle situations like this?  What if she had lost consciousness on the bus or worse.  Sounds to me like he would have continued on with his route and maybe done something about it after he got back to the bus garage? 


Post on Weight Loss board. nm

Does this post not belong on the political board?
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Can someone remind me how to post a picture to this board? Thanks - nm
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No, west coasters shouldn't have to wait to come to this board. Again, do not post
If you feel that you must post, post something in the subject line that there is spoiler information on the inside of the post then make your post inside so those who don't want to know will know not to open your post.
link for Mental Health Board inside post

http://forum.mtstars.com/misc/b/8.html


it's located right here above our posts and under the words GAB BOARD


I did last year and promptly told to post on religion board.
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Thought I saw a post like yours on the political board regarding grape research
America cannot take care of all the needy in the world, even if they gave the "grape research" money to them. Keep off your soapbox because you are yelling. I know several who use the welfare system. I give to no one on the streets. I don't care what kind of sign they are holding up, will work for ..... I rescue animals and help our 4 legged friends. That is about as charitable as I get.
Critics hate the movie, but love her. Movie way too contrived, but so
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Dudley Moore had......sm
a disease called progressive supranuclear palsy. It manifests in much the same way as dementia or Alzheimer's and is often misdiagnosed as Alzheimer's because of the behavorial changes. The disease also produces slowed movements of the body which are often confused with Parkinson's.
sicko
Not to me either - MM is a sicko himself and I wouldn't believe anything he says.  Did you see where he went with this?  Definitely not to a reliable source, so why bother to watch?  Definitely don't want to see it or anything else he spews.  I thought of putting an icon on here, but there is no icon that is gagging, so I'm out of luck.  ! 
Might I add that FOX news, who hates Moore..nm

When Sicko came out in Cannes France over a month ago, it was FOX NEWS (who really dislike Moore since Fahrenheit 911 movie) who FIRST commended Moore's SICKO film........FOX NEWS!!!!!!


 


Re: SICKO - smsg

   So has anyone seen the movie "Sicko" yet?  Did you like it?  Hate it?  Find out anything new you didn't know about the health care industry?  Do you think it'll open the public's eyes a little bit?  Any particular part youy considered really shocking, etc.?


 


did anybody that saw SiCKO feel
France, Great Britan, Canada or Cuba even?  Our system is barbaric here.  I was amazed those Americans could walk into a CUBAN hospital and get such excellent care.  Everyone says it is impossible here to have health care like they do but the answer is simple- stop providing money for needless wars and there will be money for the country's citizens.  I really think the whole go into debt for your education theory is true...they don't WANT us to get ahead.  Once again, Michael Moore is a genius.
The whole story is just sicko.......sm
I am not going to watch either, it makes me nauseous; they are all lunatics, including BW.
Lately she is so interested in sexual stuff, she makes herself ridiculous.
yes yes yes...agree 100%...dudley moore had SO MUCH fun with that film! nm
sure do miss him... "gonna see what we can find today"? well, maybe i'll look for that old vhs tape and play it again...=)
pot/kettle/black.....Moore is FAR from idiocy!!

Definition of IDIOT:  A person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25


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nope, Michael Moore certainly does not quality for your terminology of *idiot* - that probably would be you.


 


Sicko to nurse a kid until they go to school,
poor kid.....
Re: SICKO, the healthcare mess, etc.

Interesting video on YouTube - this guy says it simply & eloquently.  He wants people to send him videos on the subject - anyone out there in MT with a PC-cam could certainly get the word out on the offshoring-of-medical-records to a HUGE audience in this way.  Here's a link to the video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8NDs4YuLXE


Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher are still married
I say go for it. You only live once. I think that only you know for sure if it's something that you want to pursue. Good luck with whatever you decide.
I saw SiCKO yesterday - it's a LAUGH-OUT-LOUD

very very eye-opening and it's truly laugh-out-loud funny, not terribly *political* in the sense that 911 movie was.....but REALLY really funny, interesting, and eye opening to say the least - best 2 hours I've had of late......


oh, it was 4:30 in the afternoon and the theater was full - I was surprised actually...and full of people of all ages, denominations, cultures, red state-blue state, et al.....all having an interest in what is going on here regarding healthcare. 


TRULY not to be missed by all except children (who would get bored)!! 


Leave your politics at home and go see Moore's best yet.....this is a human issue.......this particular movie.....


Poor fella...he must've just seen Sicko.
It's sure how I felt after watching that....
prayer for you; also, you may want to post on Prayer board
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Adult photos are legal. FBI stepped in because the sicko had pics of a minor.
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exactly! and the main reason why a certain--sm
someone does not want the war to end yet...too much money in it for him. blah!
I think the main idea
was to provide a separate area so that they would not be using the sinks. Would you rather have that?

And with the appalling handling of our taxpayers' money in Iraq not to mention pretty much everywhere else, are you really going to focus on footh baths? And how do you figure foot baths are at the expense of our country's safety???

And btw, people ARE allowed to put up nativity scenes at Christmas, as long as other faiths are represented too.

I am wondering if it is just that this is a Muslim thing that is bugging you or is it all faiths? If this was something to do with the Christian faith I wonder if anyone would even notice it.