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I live in Michigan....and yes, we are in a recession. sm

Posted By: MT and worn out on 2008-06-18
In Reply to: recession/depression - MT

Regardless of what the drive-by media says, we are in a full-fledged recession. Our governor even signed legislation giving big breaks to movie companies who come to Michigan to film their movies. Well that might be alright for the east side of the state, but that doesn't help us on the west side of the state. Electrolux and Bissell to name a few were only the tip of the iceberg. Our schools are going south in a handbasket also. Things just don't look good for Michigan. Especially now that gas is over $4 a gallon. I am predicting $5 by the end of the month, first part of July and any tourism dollars that would be spent here by out of state people or traveling locals, will now be kept at home. Michigan needs help, but then don't we all.


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I live in Michigan and it gets COLD!!!. Not as cold as Wyoming, but I swear, sometimes....lol.

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In my office upstairs, I have an old heat lamp from our turtle tank that has a clamp type base and I have that clamped to the shelf over my keyboard. I have it aimed so it hits my hands and helps keep them warm. I figure if it works for our turtle, it will work for me. LOL.

We dress in layers too, even the 12 yo son. DH has some problems as he is diabetic, but Eddie Bauer Ragg wool socks are worth every penny you pay for them.

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recession
I agree with you.  We live the same way, no CC and no car payments.  My husband is disabled and he helps me and we have a 25 daughter still at home who buys the food.  We can honestly say that God does provide for us.  We're not rich, but the recession is not really hurting us that much, other than we don't like the increase in gas and food, but so far, so good, we have some savings.  We do give regular our tithes to the church, 10% as was in the O.T. and God blesses us.  If more people followed these Bible principles, they would do better.
Not just gas prices, but the recession sure will.
We are staying home this year and saving every dime we can. Our fed and state refunds went right into savings, and our "stimulus" rebate will too.
Recession/depression
I think we are at a "stuck" point, where it could shoot up or fall down into a rescession. I hope to God, it shoots up. I heard gas isn't coming down til after the first of the year (2009)
recession/depression
I think Michigan is already in a recession.  It is just sickening to see all the homes that have been foreclosed.  Everytime you watch the news or read a paper it is just more people losing their jobs.  I don't know how much more people here can take.  Hopefully things pick up soon!
Recession Explained

THE CURRENT GLOBAL ECONOMIC CRISIS EXPLAINED
 
Adam is the proprietor of a fast food restaurant in New York. Sales are low and, in order to increase them, he comes up with a plan to allow his customers to eat now and pay later. He keeps track of the meals consumed on a ledger.  


Word gets around and as a result increasing numbers of customers flock to restaurant. The suppliers are delighted and are very willing to sell more and more raw materials for the meals he prepares. Adam shows them his ledger of receivables and they extend him credit.


A young and dynamic customer service consultant at the local bank recognizes these customer debts as valuable future assets and gives Adam a credit line and then increases Adams' borrowing limit.


Taking advantage of his customers' freedom from immediate payment constraints, Adam jacks up the prices of his Burgers and Shakes. Customers dont mind as they are not required to pay on the spot. Sales volume increases massively; Banks and suppliers lend more; Adam opens more outlets. He sees no reason for undue concern since he has the debts of the customers as collateral.


At the bank's corporate headquarters, expert bankers recognize Adams' customer loans as assets and transform these customer assets into BONDS. These negotiable instruments are given exotic names such as FISHNCHIPSBOND, DOUBLEBACONBOND, BEEFBURRITOBOND AND CHOCOLATESHAKEBOND. These securities are then listed on the Stock Exchange and traded on markets worldwide. No one really understands what the names mean and how the securities are guaranteed but, nevertheless, as their prices continuously climb, the securities become top-selling items.


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Adam is really screwed now. He cannot fulfill his loan obligations and therefore claims bankruptcy. All Bonds drop in price by between 80 to 95%.


The suppliers of Adam, having granted generous payment due dates and having invested in the securities are faced with similar problems. The meat supplier defaults on payment to the sheep and cattle supplier and claims bankruptcy. The Cheese supplier is taken over by a competitor; Adam lays off the cook and staff.. Bankruptcies soar, unemployment mushrooms.


The bank that lent the money in the first place is set to collapse. It is saved by the Government following dramatic round-the-clock consultations by leaders from the governing political parties with Adam commuting back and forth in his Executive jet and Mercedes 500SEL, brokering the deal.


The funds required to save the economic collapse are obtained by a tax levied on the citizens, most of whom do not eat Burgers or Shakes.
 
UNDERSTOOD?


MI's been in it's own one-state recession for years
All forgotten here.  Rumor has it MI was once a super-power, but not in my life-time.  Boarded up, gravitti-ridden, poverty-stricken.  Highest in unemployment, top-ten in foreclosures, top-ten in high gas prices.  Our warted governor certainly is not spending our tax dollars wisely.  My only salvation has been to not get in over my head.  I drive a $700 car and bought my house for 13K.  Gotta love the clean beaches, too.
POLL: Are we headed for a recession/depression?
Do you think we are headed there or already there.  Some people have told me they think it is going to get really bad like during the great depression.  opinions?
Haven't you heard? We're in a recession and/or depression?

so, why would there be a raise in benefits if there is no inflation?


Well, up here in Michigan
It is sooo cold, better today though. And luckily very sunny! IT's a real winter here after several years of "fake" winters!
I'm from Michigan and s/m

I have 6 in my home, 2 teens, 2 younger (7&8), 2 adults.  I spend minimum of $150 a week on food, probably closer to $200.  I do plan my meals out for the week prior to going.  I really need to get back to my couponing days!  I will do it religiously for months and then fade out when I don't have time to do it.  When I do couponing, I spend about the same, but get a lot more food for my buck. 


This also includes cat food, cat liter and dog food (little dog), cleaning supplies.


1.59 here in SE Michigan nm
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In Michigan we have . . .
Saunder's hot fudge ice cream sundaes (and other yummy stuff), Vernor's ginger ale, Faygo soda (mostly fruit flavors), Stroh's beer and ice cream, Better Made potatoe chips, and Velvet peanut butter.
I don't know about PA, but in Michigan.....
First off....document, document, document. Then call your local housing inspector. Tell him your sad tale of woe. They will come out and look and see if you have a valid complaint. A place I once lived in had BIG, BLACK BUG!!! Really big ones...The housing people made the landlord spray and eliminate the problem. THey were water bugs of some sort.

If that does not work, see if you have something like a Landlord/Tenent Association. They advocate for the renter against people such as your slumlord.

Depending on your income, try your local Legal Aid society. They are lawyers who help based on your income. Sliding scale at its best.

What I did was send MY slumlord (a management company) a certified, return receipt requested letter informing him that until he brought my apartment up to city housing standards, I was not going to pay my rent. But I made sure that I opened a savings account to keep the rent money in so he didn't think I was doing this because I did not want to pay my rent. Things eventually got fixed, but I had to go to the landlord directly to get my deposit back.

How PA works, I don't know, but I am sure you must have something similar.

Good luck.
Only 10 here in west Michigan.
Windchill is -15 though. And snowing to beat the band to boot.
Michigan passed it and I support it.
I think anyone who is seriously ill should have whatever is available to help ease their pain.  I know it helps with nausea of chemotherapy too.  I think it should be decriminalized.  People are killed every day by drunk driving or those who go into violent rages or blackouts.  Most pot smokers will only get enraged if you try to take away their Dorito's! 
20 here on the west side of Michigan. nm
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perspective: 10 below in Michigan -- hate it!!

there's no preparing for this.  for us, 39 degrees is a heat wave. 


just get all the supplies you could need and stay in.  the dog and three cats have cabin fever.  i have to go out and shovel -- just shoot me!!!  kid has a temp of 103.  this is so harsh.  beyond words... stay warm.


 


XanaX, I'm with you. West Michigan here and -5 at 3:15 pm. nm
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Michigan, Saw them in Detroit at Olympia
It WAS NOT a reunion tour . . . I'm really old.  LOL
originally Michigan now living in the sm
south. you brought up the other things I was thinking when I posted about Vernors. Saunders hot fudge, Faygo, Stroh's ice cream (use to have a Stroh's ice cream shop by the house back in the 70s when in high school) and those wonderful Better Made potato chips!!!!!!!! Hubby was just in Michigan two weeks ago and brought back a bag. Nothing like em!!!!!!

What part of MI are you from? I am from the Pontiac Waterford area, born and raised!
Southwest Michigan, not much shake, but noticeable.
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Southeast Michigan (Ann Arbor Area)
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In Michigan they will issue an arrest warrant
If you don't show up for jury duty, they will issue a warrant.  Wondering where the case was that a rapist was released due to juror not showing up?  Something doesn't sound quite right there.
Today in Michigan it's a balmy 6 degrees with -18 wind chill
With those kind of temperatures, today thermostat is on 70 and that's comfortable.  But I have on sweat pants, a sweatshirt, and warm wooly socks.  Usually it's at 68 and 62 at night.
19 degrees in west Michigan right now. -8 wind chill. BRRRR..nm
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The department you deal with in Michigan for things like this is called "Friend of the Court".
You need to get in touch with your version of this in your state and tell them what is going on and file a form for re-do the visitation agreement. You may even have to see your original divorce attorney. We went through this with my husband's ex-wife and he filed papers to amend the visitation and what they call an "in pro per" form. Which basically is a DIY form. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but you need to get started now to get your ducks in a row.

Have you thought about talking to somebody at the local VA office in your state or city? Those guys are a wealth of information.

Good luck to you.
I do live in Arkansas - my parents live up in Branson so I'm in Missouri quite often!
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Calling all you animal lovers - live and let live or intervene? - sm

I have a dilemma.  I am an animal lover and have something I cannot come to a conclusion about.  At a restaurant where I eat lunch every Friday with a friend of mine, I have noticed a young male kitty hanging around outside looking for food.  This past week he ran up to my friend and rubbed her legs and quietly meowed.  I purposely did not try to pet him because I knew I would get attached and ignored him.  Well, ever since then I find myself thinking about him and wanting to rescue him.  Meanwhile, I already have 4 inside cats (2 rescues, 2 Maine Coons) and hubby really does not want another cat in the house because a few years ago I promised we would  never have more than 4 (had up to 5 at one point previously).  I actually have a huge screened deck he could stay on indefinitely because I do not believe in letting cats run loose for their own safety.  I could provide plenty of food, a warm place to sleep, and veterinary care.  At some point I would even probably work him into our household, but I just cannot do it at the moment.  Just not sure I would be doing right by that kitty because I am sure he would be upset and confused for a good while as to where he was and what was going on, but is that better than being hungry and cold?  I know there are lots of animal lovers out there.  What does everyone think?? 


I'm a live-and-let-live person but had to draw the line

after I found HUGE holes in the walkway between my house and barn.  I thought they were just little mice stealing grain, but then I spotted one and it was a HONKIN RAT!  My poor olderly cat was out there with me at the time and saw it, and he hissed at it and ran away! 


I asked for advice on what to do at a local agricultural board, because I have other animals and didn't want to use poison and conventional traps weren't working.  They advised putting a large pale of water out with some seeds floating in it, figuring the rats would go for the seeds and end up drowning.  That was a no-go because the water just froze up solid.  I wound up reluctantly going with Decon because I just can't have my house destroyed.  I haven't had seen any more rats or evidence of them stealing grain, so I'm guessing they have died.  The guy at the grain store promised me the rats would not die in the building and stink the joint up, rather they would crawl off and die outside.  I don't know if I believe that, as it is still winter here and decomposition would be holding off until it warms up.  We'll see, but at least the destruction has been halted.


Good luck and I too say have no mercy, because you just don't need them destroying hour house or causing a spark chewing wires and burnin' the place down.  It is war!   


  (How un-PC is this emoticon?!)


 


Make them live outside? This is so funny! Ours live outside, where they WANT to be. sm
Not all dogs want to be in "indoor" dogs, mind you. They have plenty of space to run around and play, fenced, and if they are brought in during bad weather they whine at the back door to go back out! So before you comment on outside dogs, you really need to get your facts straight. Seriously. Not all dogs are made or want to be inside all of the time.
Where do you live?? I live in Atlanta
and have been to the symphony here and definitely no hats- you can never go wrong with black dress/slacks. I like to dress a little more for this but the rules are definitely not prim and proper here.
I come from the old school, but live and let live - sm
Well, I tried "cohabitating" with a boyfriend when I was 22. We dated for a year, and 3 weeks after we moved in together, he went back to his ex-wife. Never again. I've been married 18 years now to the same guy. Guess I lucked out.

I don't think it's right to do in a biblical sense (even felt that way when I moved in with a guy but my young hormones took over my common sense) but it's sad more people aren't married, they choose to just live together without a great commitment. Then again, as my atty (he lives at the end of our street so I see him often when walking the dogs) always says, his father told him it should be $5,000 for a marriage license and free to get divorced.

As far as the children are concerned, well, I think you should be married before you have children but again, live and let live. I just don't like seeing children have to grow up without the other parent if it can be helped.

The NFL network recently interviewed a former NFL player, Warren Sapp. He was asked why we have so many jerks in the NFL like Terrell Owens, Adam Pacman Jones, etc. He said they all shared a common factor - no father or father figure in their lives growing up. He said to look at players who are humble and don't cause trouble - they are the product of a 2 parent household. It's sad to me because it's commonplace now, not the exception to rule, which I think it should be. I graduated high school in 1985 and even back then, a girl in school who got pregnant got sent away "to live with her aunt for a little while". It was a shame to be pregnant and unmarried but it's a sign of the times.

I sometimes wish I could have grown up in the 50s instead of 70s. :-)
You have? Where do you live??? lol
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that would be everywhere, not just where I live. nm
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don't know where U live but where I live the 80+ y/o.

I know plenty of 80+ y/o people where I live (and I'm 25 years behind them...kinda sorta)....who are MORE active than many I know much younger.  I see them going to the airports to jaunt around Paris/Spain, or just several times a year flying cross country to spend holidays with families, etc, etc.  So if you see 80+ as *old* or *very old* - think again.  It's an individual basis kind of thing, in my mind - OH AND BY THE WAY, none of the people I speak of have had plastic surgery of any kind and look FABULOUS!.........GOD BLESS 'EM!!!!  Good genes - genetics -


I you live in the
Pittsburgh area I know where you can find someone.  Elsewhere..no clue.  It is an avenue worth pursuing though.
How can you live with him?!
Honestly, you say you can't live without him, but yet he is mean and horrible! And think of what this is doing to your kids while you stay! The effects of living with an alcoholic may not be so apparent on the outside of your children, but believe my they are hurting! Been there, done that!

Advice: Get out now for you and the sake of your kids. My father was an alcoholic and still is to this day. After 15 years of marriage to him, my mother finally left and took us kids. Best thing she could have done for herself and for us! It was rough at first, but looking back I am glad she did it. She proved to me she was a strong woman and what a great example that you did not have to put up with the abuse from another person. My brother and I to this day have minimal communication with him. Well, at least I do. My brother has written him off!

Resources: A good lawyer and counseling for you and your kids.

I wish you all the best!
Not sure where you live........but
You're wrong. In this state, the teachers are not that well compensated, just the administration. THey do pay out of pocket for resources that they have put in for and supposed to have available that is determined by the school system, but supplies have not come in and they have to go out with their own money and order this stuff. They don't get answers from adminstration but still have to make sure they have the supplies ordered by the school system to teach the kids. The amount of work they do here is from 7 in the morning until 5 in the afternoon....no, they cannot leave when they want to. Most work all summer, either tutoring or summer school, or find summer jobs elsewhere just to make ends meet. I suppose it depends on the state one lives in, but here no teacher is retiring with 80K a year pension.
Others ought to live by this
My mother told us sticks and stones may break your bones but names will never hurt you. To try getting back at something so minute is the reason today why people are in such a rage. Another thing she told me- consider the source. Enough said.
I also live in AL - try these -
Caladiums and hostas would do really well for leaf color. Bleeding heart is so pretty as well! Happy planting! :-)
Who'd want to live there? Yuk.
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Do you live so far out in the
sticks you don’t have people called BABYSITTERS? Glad you had such a good time.
I live in MID TN too.
Has been a mess with the heat and humidity!!!!
I don't see it here where I live
Unless it's being hidden, all my friends have been married for years with no cheating issues. I don't know of any divorced couples in my circle of friends and/or acquaintenances. My parents have been married close to 50 years and I've been married for 16, no cheating here. Not saying it doesn't happen, because I certaily know that it does, but it's just not that way here.(Again, maybe it's hidden or maybe I do live in that bubble).
Can she come live with me
I'd love it if someone else did my laundry. To me she's just being a grandmother, but then again, I'm not there and can't see everything she does. I'd be happy she was so involved and that your daughter has a grandmother. So many of my daughter's friends don't.