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"income redistribution" is just a fancy term for

Posted By: STEALING to me. "Robin Hood Obama". nm on 2008-09-09
In Reply to: How can he deny that? - mt

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Redistribution (sm)
Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

against wealth redistribution

I am fatigued with more and more of my paycheck going to the stockholders of the company I work for.  My benefits are being taken away, my line count has been "adjusted" several times in the last 10 years to make more profit for the stockholders. Meanwhile, the suits are given astronomical salaries and golden parachutes. 


Second issue.  It is very important to remember that the 3 remaining judges on the Supreme Court who are not conservative will be leaving very soon.  The pres who appoints their replacements will be impacting the nation for the next 30 to 40 years or so.  Think about it.   Can you imagine your 15-year-old granddaughter or great-granddaughter being forced to give birth to a horribly deformed baby because she made a  mistake?  Roe v Wade WILL be overturned if McCain is elected.  The court will be totally pro-corporate interests if mcCain is elected.  This is a much getter consequence that is not getting enough consideration amidst all the slogan throwing.


 


 


I don't really think a redistribution of the wealth
is the answer and don't necessarily agree with it either. What I would like to see though are these corporations, and individuals, that don't fairly pay taxes start paying what they are supposed to. They hide their money in off-shore accounts and redistribute it so they don't have to pay so much. I know that this happens, I started out in accounting in college and we had big long discussions about this. But I didn't have to have a class to know that this happens.
Too bad that redistribution of wealth
won't benefit most of us.....it will benefit the low income people who want to mooch off of the government.  Besides, I still says that the middle class is fair game to Obama.  He will raise our taxes too....you just wait.
Redistribution of wealth...
"Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed. Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the hom eless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application."


Redistribution of Wealth

Redistribution of wealth is happening as I write this, except that it's all going to make greedy rich people richer.  Up to a trillion dollars now (and probably growing in the future), the Wall Street crooks are still earning their bonuses.


Why is it okay to redistribute the wealth to the WEALTHIEST while punishing people who are working hard and HONESTLY, just trying to feed their families?


The middle class has been diminishing in this country for a long time now, and it's almost extinct.  I'll never understand why people support rewarding those who are dishonest.


Redistribution of wealth...another way of saying
reparations, just not as blatant.
Redistribution of YOUR Wealth
Obama and Congress will let the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010. That will cost each of us MTs about $1,200 or so a year. He is proposing 3 new separte payroll taxes (new separate deductions) including his own bill now in Congress to "fight WORLD hunger." Sounds nice, but I would rather fight hunger at my house. If you think you are going to get a bunch of free stuff in return for all these new taxes, think again - that stuff will all evaporate after the election but the tax increases will remain, just like with Clinton. I heard last night that 57% of Americans think Republicans now control Congress - and these morons vote - scary.
He is already promising redistribution of wealth and he ...
doesn't even have the job yet. That is not a lie. He has campaign commercials about it and he is Barack Obama and he approved that message. Have you read anything about his voting history and the people he has associated with most of his adult life? Of course he is socialist. Way left socialist.

I never said Democrats were socialists. I did say Hillary Clinton was one, and Obama is to the left of her on that particular issue.

You think calling someone a socialist is name calling?
Exactly. It is income redistribution, even though he denies it...
and that does not work. Stirring up class warfare does not work. And that $200,000 puts small businesses' necks on the block. Because many S corporations and other small businesses pay the personal tax, not the business tax. He will effectively kill them and jobs will be lost and even MORE people added to the lower bracket. Do people really not see the socialist implications here?
Over generalization....socialism is redistribution
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About all that redistribution of wealth silliness
That would be $1200 to nearly every Alaskan in addition to their already existing $2000 annual rebate. In a nutshell, Palin levied a windfall profit tax against oil companies, then will pay a portion of the revenues out as bonus checks to residents.

One might even suggest that, since Alaska has no state income tax, this was a almost straight redistribution of wealth using higher taxes on the oil companies to redistribute wealth to individuals. It's almost...socialist. Go Gov. Palin!!!
Correct. The *redistribution of wealth* is just that...

those who have gotten their piece of the American Dream are forced to give to those who can't/don't/won't achieve their own American Dream. We are on the way sheeple, wake up and do research, don't take leftist talking points as truth.


I think not. both related to redistribution of wealth...nm

An argument for redistribution of wealth

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/numbers/revenue.cfm


FY 2007


Total tax revenues for FY 2007 are composed of:


1.     Individual income tax                  45%. 


Included in individual income tax category are capital gains taxes, which make up between 4% and 7% of individual income tax revenues and between 2% and 3% of total tax revenues within this category.


2.     Payroll taxes                               35%


Social insurance (Social Security).  Funds used to pay for Federal Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance, Unemployment Insurance, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, Medicare/Medicaid, State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)


Supplemental Security Income (SSI).   Individual's share of this is 17.5%.  


3.     Corporate Income Tax                 15%


4.     Excise Tax                                    3%. 


Essentially a consumer tax on alcohol, cigarettes and gas. 


5.     "Other"                                          2%


 


So, individuals' share of total tax revenues amounts to approximately 65.5%, employers 17.5% and corporations 15% plus the mysterious "other" of 2%.    


 


If you go to the above link and scroll down about halfway, you will find a nifty little chart that shows how much the share corporations paid into total tax revenues has diminshed since 1950.  For example, an early 50s spike on the graph show corporations' share to be approximately 30+%...TWICE AS MUCH AS IT IS NOW.   


 


A couple of other points of interest: 


http://www.sba.gov/ADVO/laws/statement07_0309.html


"…tax compliance costs employers with less than 20 employees a total of $1304 per employee as compared to employers with 500 or more employees which incur $780 per employee to comply with Federal taxes.(6) Put another way, small entities pay 40% more for tax compliance than employers with 500 or more employees.


 


http://www.cbpp.org/8-9-05bud.htm


Center on Budget and Policy Priorities – How Robust was 2001-2007 Economic Expansion?  Figures 1 and 2 will indicate the following information:


 


Based on the 7 economic indicators, Bush years turned in below average growth percentages in every single indicator except for one….CORPORATE PROFITS.  The biggest losers….employment (JOBS) and wages and salaries (PAYCHECKS).   To make this dry economic data a little bit spicier, 2 comparisons have been shown…Bush years against Post WWII averages and Bush years as compared to the 90s decade.  I have run averages on the trough and peak growth comparison data depicted in Figure 2 to come up with the following overall percentages.  Pay special attention to the last 3 items. 


 


1.     Gross Domestic Product (GDP) down 31% from Post WWII average and down 12.85% from the 90s


2.     Consumption down 23.45% from Post WWII average and down 6.25% from the 90s   


3.     Non-residential fixed investment down 40% from Post WWII average and down 58% from the 90s 


4.     Net worth down 16.25% from Post WWII average and down 20.1% from the 90s 


5.     Wages and salaries (PAYCHECKS) down a whopping 55.6% from Post WWII average and down an impressive 40.55% from the 90s


6.     Employment (JOBS) down an amazing 68.65% from Post WWII average and down an impressive 46.65% from the 90s


7.     Corporate profits up 200% above post WWII average and up 126% from the 90s.    


                                  


From where I sit, there is clearly something wrong with this picture.  I will be voting for the candidate who shares this view and plans to restore a more balanced, equitable and FAIR distribution of wealth.  This is not about shifting bucks from one person to another.  This is about corporations whose butts are being bailed out right and left by us Joe Shmoes shouldering more fiscal responsibility toward their shareholders AND toward John Q. Public.  


What pat of redistribution of wealth do you not understand?
THAT is socialism and THAT is what he wants to do. Said so himself. Remember spreading the wealth? C'mon. Admit it. He's a socialist. Fair tax cuts go to EVERYONE. Not the rich to redistribute to those who do not even PAY taxes. THAT is socialism.
He's not lying about redistribution of wealth...
unfortunately. He is wholly committed to that one.
Obama's redistribution of wealth
I challenge all of you who are making such a big deal about Obama's plan for "redistribution of wealth" to do a little research.  Then come back and talk about it.  It's a matter of where the distribution is to go.  Republicans want it to go to the top i.e. Reagan's "trickle down economics"  and the institution of the earned income tax credit goes to him as well.  Tell me, who has benefited?  Maybe it's about time we go back to trickle up economics....sorta like FDR's "chicken in every pot."  Ya thank????
Spread the wealth, redistribution of income...that is the big O's
plan...AKA I'll give to those who don't deserve it by taking it from those who have worked hard to get it. O wants to take the hard earned money from many Americans and then HE will decide who he gives it to. Sounds a bit like socialism to me. Just where is he going to get the money for all the programs he wants to GIVE to us?  Oh, and remember the words of Biden, it's patriotic to pay taxes. So what does that make the 40% of Americans who DON'T pay taxes?
Redistribution of wealth American style.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/numbers/revenue.cfm


Total tax revenues for FY 2007 are composed of:


1.     Individual income tax 45% of tax revenues.  Included in individual income tax category are capital gains taxes, which make up between 4% and 7% of individual income tax revenues and between 2% and 3% of total tax revenues within this category.


2.     Payroll taxes 35% of tax revenues.  Social insurance (Social Security).  Funds used to pay for Federal old age, survivors, disability insurance, unemployment insurance, temporary assistance to needed families, Medicare/Medicaid, State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) and Supplemental Security Income (SSI).  Employee's share of this is 17.5%.


3.     Corporate Income Tax 15% of total tax revenues. 


4.     Excise Tax 3% of total tax revenues.  Essentially a consumer tax on alcohol, cigarettes and gas.


5.     "Other"  2%


So, individuals' share of total tax revenues amounts to approximately 65.5%, employers 17.5% and corporations 15% plus the mysterious "other" of 2%.    If you go to the above link and scroll down about halfway, you will find a nifty little chart that shows how much the share corporations paid into total tax revenues has diminshed since 1950.  For example, an early 50s spike on the graph show corporations' share to be approximately 30+%...TWICE AS MUCH AS IT IS NOW.


http://www.sba.gov/ADVO/laws/statement07_0309.html


"…tax compliance costs employers with less than 20 employees a total of $1304 per employee as compared to employers with 500 or more employees which incur $780 per employee to comply with Federal taxes.  Small entities pay 40% more for tax compliance than employers with 500 or more employees.


http://www.cbpp.org/8-9-05bud.htm


Center on Budget and Policy Priorities – How Robust was 2001-2007 Economic Expansion?  Figures 1 and 2 will indicate the following information:  Based on the 7 economic indicators, Bush years turned in below average growth percentages in every single indicator except for one….CORPORATE PROFITS.  The biggest losers….employment (JOBS) and wages and salaries (PAYCHECKS).   To make this dry economic data a little bit spicier, 2 comparisons have been shown…Bush years against Post WWII averages and Bush years as compared to the 90s decade.  I have run averages on the trough and peak growth comparison data depicted in Figure 2 to come up with the following overall percentages.  Pay special attention to the last 3 items.


1.     Gross Domestic Product (GDP) down 31% from Post WWII average and down 12.85% from the 90s


2.     Consumption down 23.45% from Post WWII average and down 6.25% from the 90s


3.     Non-residential fixed investment down 40% from Post WWII average and down 58% from the 90s 


4.     Net worth down 16.25% from Post WWII average and down 20.1% from the 90s 


5.     Wages and salaries (PAYCHECKS) down a whopping 55.6% from Post WWII average and down an impressive 40.55% from the 90s


6.     Employment (JOBS) down an amazing 68.65% from Post WWII average and down an impressive 46.65% from the 90s


7.     Corporate profits up 200% above post WWII average and up 126% from the 90s. 


From where I sit, there is clearly something wrong with this picture.  I will be voting for the candidate who shares this view and plans to restore a more balanced, equitable and FAIR distribution of wealth.  This is not about shifting bucks from one person to another.  This is about corporations whose butts are being bailed out right and left by us Joe Shmoes shouldering more fiscal responsibility toward their shareholders AND toward John Q. Public.


Redistribution of wealth is a basic socialism tenet...
and it is part of his platform. He leans very hard in the direction of government run health care...alnother socialism tenet. He used and taught the Alinsky method of organizing...hard left Marxist theory. Not overgeneralization. He went to a church preaching black liberation theology for 20 years....major Marxist overtones and "economic parity" part of that theology. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, chances are it's a duck. And if you look at his associations throughout his career...common thread there. And for me, that is concerning. And yet another reason I am not voting for him. He is no change from any of the hard left liberals before him, except in one key area...he is harder left than any of them, if you look only at his voting record. He's not the guy for the job as far as I am concerned.
Does corporate welfare qualify as wealth redistribution
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Obama talking about redistribution of wealth in 2001...

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/26/obama-in-2001-how-to-bring-about-redistributive-change/


Before discounting this because it is on a conservative site....the You Tube tape is there...you can hear "O" in his own words.


Hope is not a dirty word....redistribution of wealth is,
in my books. Have you looked at the church he belonged to for 20 years? Divisive is a MILD way to describe it. He has no interest in uniting us. He has interest in forcing his view of how society should run down all our throats. I do not call that bringing unity. His whole life has been influenced by Marxists. That is how he wants to "unify" us. I am sure Cubans heard these same stories from Che Guevara and loved him just as much. And look how it turned out for them. Not great, not even the way Che wanted. He was off to Bolivia when he found out it wasn't going the way he hoped. The next socalist always thinks he will get it "right." And you know what? Those who do not learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them...I just hope America is not the next failed socialist state. There is MY "HOPE."
I don't like to use that term.

to be referred to as that either, but then again if she's referring to herself as a pitbull, then maybe she does. 


 


First or second term

I wonder when they will make Obama's birthday a national holiday.


 


What term would you prefer? I am sure you have
nm
still doubtful he will win a second term.

That he'll only have 1 term....
If 2 terms equals 8 minutes, 1 term equals 4.
Late term...(sm)
If the infant is able to survive outside the womb, then it would fall on the physician to do whatever possible to save that life (even if that includes refusing to do an abortion), just like any other.  I don't think you'll find too many docs who will actually do abortions that late because it's increasingly dangerous for the mother.  I think most clinics only go up to about 15 or 16 weeks anyway.  I do think that if you are going to have an abortion it should be done in a timely manner anyway for the mother's health.  I also believe that if the mother's life is in danger from the pregnancy, a late-term abortion may be necessary.  And then there's the money.  I wonder how many people have to opt for late-term abortions because it takes them that long to get the money for the abortion.  Yet another reason to add in abortion to family planning services.
We can't wait until the end of his term as you put it

People are underwater every day and more following. Trying to pass a budget before it's necessary is just another way of spending money and has nothing to do to help the economy, especially with the thousands of earmarks in it. The congress and senate are still on the so-called honeymoon and O thinks everything will go smooth for the first 100 days.


Well, it's not. It's not better than when Bush was office. The house and senate are still fighting and nothing O says helps. Of course, NP and her threats don't help. Bipartisanship my foot! NP wants to take over and she's doing a very good job of being "acting  president."


 


The term 'fundamentalist'

has acquired a negative interpretation.  But all it really means is adherence to the fundamentals of any given religion.  Militance and intolerance are implied in the term Islamism.  These are not just ''fundamentalist Muslims' but a whole step beyond that.


He did not start that term FYI!

He was quoting what others had nicknamed the man already.  You just can't let crazy people be crazy people, can you?  Instead you have to pick some conservative leaning person to blame everything on.  The man who shot Tiller is to blame for this...no one else.


Or how about this....if Tiller had never aborted so many fetuses late term for questionable reasons, other than the mother's health, he never would have been under investigation and he would never have been publically exposed.  So whose fault is this really?  I personally feel that if Tiller had stayed within the guidelines on this, he never would have made nation wide news in the first place.


However, regardless of his actions and whether or not I find them to be disgusting, he still should not have been gunned down.  The man who killed him is a crazy wacko.  No one told him to do it.  He took it upon himself to do it.  He is to blame for his actions....not Bill O'Reilly.  So how about you stop the spin, stop the blame game, and actually make people take responsibility for their own actions.


That is a big problem with our country today.  Too many people pointing the finger at others and not enough people admitting their own faults and taking blame for what they have done.  Much easier to point the finger and blame someone else.


The term *Christian Right* was given our by liberals
so, giving us the defination of Christian right is condeming us for the title your group gave us.
In 35 years, I have never known of an ectopic going to term. nm

You are still misusing the term Neocon. sm
Not that you will stop, but it is irritating.
That was in his Illinois senate term...
this one was in the US Senate. Yeah, he shows up for the important votes like against the Infant Born Alive Act...twice...and now we find out FOR the bridge to nowhere and AGAINST Katrina victims. Still makes me question his judgments and his priorities. Sorry, that is the way I see it.
Christian was actually a derogatory term
used to describe the followers of Christ. Christian means "little Christ" because TRUE Christians are supposed to strive to be like Jesus.

We are to beware of false prophets and those who go around claiming to be Christians. You will know them by the fruit that they bear. Jesus told the parable of the wheat and the tares. It is hard to discern them by looking at them, but in the end the tares will be cast into the fire. The tares are those who say "I am a Christian" but then go about killing, plundering, etc. You are not a true Christian if you do these things. The wheat are the Christians who strive to be like Christ. Although they fail everyday, they get up and try again. When they sin they ask forgiveness and try their darnest not to do it again. When we mess up we feel conviction and that leads us to ask for forgiveness. No true Christian will go out and sin without guilt or remorse. That is like slapping God in the face.

I am a Southern Baptist. Anything taught at our church comes straight from the Bible. We look at all verses IN CONTEXT. My pastor won't even paraphrase! We believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. We strive to do everything that is commanded of us by Christ. No, we do not follow OT rules, because when Christ came he brought a new law. When Peter was in Goppa he was told by God that all animals were fit for eating, therefore we are not required to not eat certain foods any longer. We are not required to offer sacrifice anymore since Christ was the ultimate sacrifice.

One of the biggest commandments Jesus gave us was The Great Commission - to go and tell the world of what He did and the saving grace of the cross. We are to care for "widows and orphans" and to help those in need. We are to love our neighbor, but we are to use the Word to rebuke and teach GENTLY. If another Christian is out of line, we are to remind them of what Christ told us. We are not to judge the sinner, as we are also sinners. But we are to hate the sin, and we are to worn others of the sins they commit. Why? Because that sin SEPARATES them from God and in the end will cause them to spend eternity in he11.

I believe on Judgment Day there will be many people who say "I did not know!" and Christ will say "you heard so many times and refused to believe!"

It's amazing at the ease of which people can be saved yet they refuse to accept it. Jesus did all the work for us. All that is required is to accept that He did that and give Him the glory for saving you.

If you are a parent with older children, I'm sure you remember a time when your child was a teen and the closeness you had when they were younger seemed to disappear. Hopefully as they got older you again became close. That is what God wants with us. He wants a close, personal relationship with each one of us. But because of our sin that cannot be achieved without accepting Christ. Christ is the tie between us and God.


it is a term that Michael Savage came up with. But then he may not be the only one. sm
Michael Savage uses the term in talking about people who follow in a group blindly, just like sheep in a flock. He uses it a lot when referring to people who don't think for themselves and just follow the crowd along repeating what the crowd wants them to. And he uses it as a bipartisan term.
SOS, justice lifetime term. nm
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I'd say at least wait until his term BEGINS. nm
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No, necessary evil is just a term used to excuse
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Does it really matter in the long term.......... sm
who is blamed if this goes into effect? It will still negatively impact healthcare for all Americans, but more especially those who are elderly and have multiple comorbid conditions or anyone whom the government deems "terminal." Again, we have an instance of the government taking over an area in which they have no expertise. What's next?
Ever heard of the term "full of it"
You most certainly are forcing your prayers and viewpoints on us. When my son comes home upset because the "church lady" came to his school and got all of his classmates rounded up to pray and be "saved" and then go out to the church van for cookies and juice, but only after they've "given their life to christ, blah, blah, blah". YES YOU ARE CRAMMING YOUR RELIGIOUS VIEWPOINTS DOWN OUR THROATS. When he said we don't believe in that and all his classmates and friends made fun of him and laughed and the "church lady" not saying anything like "that's not nice to do" or "that's not what Jesus would do". Making fun of children so that they will pray and get juice and cookies just like their friends did, and now showing up at their school to pray regularly. When I called the office of the Principal and asked what was going on he said, "oh that's Mrs. --- from our local church, she comes to pray with the kids who aren't getting it at home. Then told me if he doesn't want to join in he can sit in the classroom while the others are out getting refreshments. When the teachers in the lunch room have all her students stand in a circle holding hands saying a prayer before they eat. When your church lady roams the stores and corners us in the produce section and says to us "do I know you, you both look familiar", and we say no, and she says "have you given your life to christ" and we don't answer and she grabs our hands and says let me pray with you, and then holds on while she prays out loud, and us not wanting to be rude just stand there and look around at the other customers watching us. Then we continue on shopping and we see her heading down the bread isle and she walks up to another couple and says to them "do I know you, you both look familiar to me", and they guy looks like he wants to escape and the girl doesn't want to be rude and there goes the church lady grabbing their hands and praying. Yeah, I would say you are forcing your religion and prayers on us and our children.

But you know what. Gay people are not forcing you to have a gay relationship. So what if a homosexual teacher is at the school teaching about the different lifestyles. If you don't agree with it, then talk to your kids and tell them what your viewpoints and feelings are. It's no different than having a black teacher talking about Martin Luther King, or a Hispanic teacher talking about some way of life in Mexico. I'd rather have a homosexual teacher anyday teaching my kids and have them come home and ask questions with me and my husband rather than some church goers coming in to force my children into praying, and telling them they are going to go to he!! if they don't change their ways and join their "club" - a perverted practice in itself.

So what if our kids have a day of silence. It is an act to protest the name-calling, bullying and harrassment of lesbian and gay students and their supporters. If your against that I guess you are all for harrassing and calling gays and lesbians names (which reading your posts below I understand you think that is an okay behavior). For Martin Luther King you get a whole day off. For Jesus Christ you get a whole week off. So what if there is a day of silence.

There is no double standard. The word God is used in our schools and all over the place. This lie that you can't even mutter the word God in school without getting expelled is complete rubbish. It's just not true. I go to the schools and see the kids praying together on the bleachers, before sports games, in the hallways, ALL the time. Kids in the hallways talking about what they did in church, etc, etc. I can't even go to my quilt guild without the clique of "church goers" talking about church and sunday school and what they learned. Then in the next breath they make snippy and nasty remarks about other people they don't like. One girl left the meeting crying (they said something about they don't think they would like her husband very much to which she replied well good thing your not married to him then because I love him). Then she picked up her stuff and left. Then they looked at each other and said what's her problem. I looked at them and said "Do they teach you in your church and sunday school how to be rude and hurt other's feelings like you just did?" I walked out and haven't been back.

You know, a gay teacher is not going to turn your child gay, but the church people coming to our schools to covert and pray with the students, and getting caught in every store I got to telling me if I don't go to their church I'm a sinner and I'm on the path to he!! is totally different. And it's always the haters of gays people that always use that as an excuse "oh you can't utter the word god or you'll be hauled off to prison". Sheesh! I'd say nice try but its just complete and utter lies.
Ever heard of the term "full of it"
You most certainly are forcing your prayers and viewpoints on us. When my son comes home upset because the "church lady" came to his school and got all of his classmates rounded up to pray and be "saved" and then go out to the church van for cookies and juice, but only after they've "given their life to christ, blah, blah, blah". YES YOU ARE CRAMMING YOUR RELIGIOUS VIEWPOINTS DOWN OUR THROATS. When he said we don't believe in that and all his classmates and friends made fun of him and laughed and the "church lady" not saying anything like "that's not nice to do" or "that's not what Jesus would do". Making fun of children so that they will pray and get juice and cookies just like their friends did, and now showing up at their school to pray regularly. When I called the office of the Principal and asked what was going on he said, "oh that's Mrs. --- from our local church, she comes to pray with the kids who aren't getting it at home. Then told me if he doesn't want to join in he can sit in the classroom while the others are out getting refreshments. When the teachers in the lunch room have all her students stand in a circle holding hands saying a prayer before they eat. When your church lady roams the stores and corners us in the produce section and says to us "do I know you, you both look familiar", and we say no, and she says "have you given your life to christ" and we don't answer and she grabs our hands and says let me pray with you, and then holds on while she prays out loud, and us not wanting to be rude just stand there and look around at the other customers watching us. Then we continue on shopping and we see her heading down the bread isle and she walks up to another couple and says to them "do I know you, you both look familiar to me", and they guy looks like he wants to escape and the girl doesn't want to be rude and there goes the church lady grabbing their hands and praying. Yeah, I would say you are forcing your religion and prayers on us and our children.

But you know what. Gay people are not forcing you to have a gay relationship. So what if a homosexual teacher is at the school teaching about the different lifestyles. If you don't agree with it, then talk to your kids and tell them what your viewpoints and feelings are. It's no different than having a black teacher talking about Martin Luther King, or a Hispanic teacher talking about some way of life in Mexico. I'd rather have a homosexual teacher anyday teaching my kids and have them come home and ask questions with me and my husband rather than some church goers coming in to force my children into praying, and telling them they are going to go to he!! if they don't change their ways and join their "club" - a perverted practice in itself.

So what if our kids have a day of silence. It is an act to protest the name-calling, bullying and harrassment of lesbian and gay students and their supporters. If your against that I guess you are all for harrassing and calling gays and lesbians names (which reading your posts below I understand you think that is an okay behavior). For Martin Luther King you get a whole day off. For Jesus Christ you get a whole week off. So what if there is a day of silence.

There is no double standard. The word God is used in our schools and all over the place. This lie that you can't even mutter the word God in school without getting expelled is complete rubbish. It's just not true. I go to the schools and see the kids praying together on the bleachers, before sports games, in the hallways, ALL the time. Kids in the hallways talking about what they did in church, etc, etc. I can't even go to my quilt guild without the clique of "church goers" talking about church and sunday school and what they learned. Then in the next breath they make snippy and nasty remarks about other people they don't like. One girl left the meeting crying (they said something about they don't think they would like her husband very much to which she replied well good thing your not married to him then because I love him). Then she picked up her stuff and left. Then they looked at each other and said what's her problem. I looked at them and said "Do they teach you in your church and sunday school how to be rude and hurt other's feelings like you just did?" I walked out and haven't been back.

You know, a gay teacher is not going to turn your child gay, but the church people coming to our schools to covert and pray with the students, and getting caught in every store I got to telling me if I don't go to their church I'm a sinner and I'm on the path to he!! is totally different. And it's always the haters of gays people that always use that as an excuse "oh you can't utter the word god or you'll be hauled off to prison". Sheesh! I'd say nice try but its just complete and utter lies. My @sscream is right!
"Feminist" is a very outdated term.

The term *Islamist* was coined
There are no moderate Islamists, just as there are no moderate KKK members or moderate Black Panthers. However, there are moderate Muslims.
I used the term "lynch" loosely
meaning they would be "up in arms."
forget one term, wouldn't you like to see him sm
impeached and thrown out along with Biden and Pelosi too?
34 major scandals during bush's first term

 


 


34 Major Scandals during Bush's first term:

 


 

Child Rapist Gets 60 Day Jail Term
Please contact the governor of Vermont to let him know that his is WRONG.  See link below for his contact information.

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January 7, 2006



By: So Cal Lawyer at 3:04 pm

Wcax reports:



Vermont Judge Edward Cashman is coming under fire for handing out a light sentence to a child rapist.The judge says did it because he no longer believes in punishment and he wants to speed the rapist’s entry into a rehabilitation program.


Judge Cashman’s short sentence for an admitted child molester triggered immediate public and political reaction with some lawmakers saying he should leave the bench.


Judge Edward Cashman’s light sentence was the talk of the town. Wednesday he sentenced child rapist Mark Hulett to 60 days in jail. Hulett admitted he raped a little girl countless times when she was between 7 and 10 years old.


As a reminder, in California you can access the online Megan’s Law database of sex offenders here and find out what sex offenders have registered in your neighborhood.