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You are still misusing the term Neocon. sm

Posted By: Brunson on 2007-01-30
In Reply to: This really doesn't address my post - Teddy

Not that you will stop, but it is irritating.


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Most on the left misuse the term neocon. sm
I think they just like the sound of it, especially the *con* part. 
Agree, I may have been misusing that word
Why do you assume that I would not stop misusing the term?  You appear very jaded.  Actually I looked up the word neocon and the precise definition varies greatly according to the source.  Your group apparently does not identify with the commonly used definition.
Maybe because I told you that you were misusing it one other time. nm

Bye bye neocon

GET OFF THE LIBERAL BOARD, FOR PETE SAKE, GET OFF THE LIBERAL BOARD, WE DONT WANT YOU HERE.


Bye bye, neocon

Bye, bye, neocon..you have been told quite a few times to stay off the liberal board..IMHO save yourself from grief and angst..dont read this board, dont post on this board, dont come on this board..


Neocon.

 I always thought neocon mean the **new and improved version** the *reenergized*, the uber-conservative.


We are the ones who think what is causing so much of the problem is the attitude of the American left.  


The true conservative is not faint of heart, and we've still got a lot of fight left in us...for the the actual war and for the fight against the extreme leftists who have now unashamedly positioned themselves as a roadblock in the effort.


The above statements you made are what I was referring to about the maligning the left. These hawkiest of the hawks are backpeddaling which is a huge shock to me, but you think the problem is **the American left** who have **positioned themselves as a roadblock.**


I, on the other hand, think these guys mentioned in the article said they felt the administration was incompetent. Perleman said he still thought his own philosophy about spreading democracy and using a dominant military was the right way to go; he has just discovered that this administration can't do it. I believe he said, verbatim, it's a good idea but we have to throw it in the Can't Do drawer because it is over, at least for a generation. None of these guys mentioned the left as being part of the problem; they laid it squarely on the shoulders of this administration.


Yep, it's not hard to believe that the neocon
Limberger is a liar in the midst of all of his drama how can he keep a story straight?

He probably forgets half of it anyway, that's the drug effect.
One more thing, neocon

Furthermore, no one is asking you conservatives to leave the board because of **my tender feelings**..I only know these people through their posts, why would they ask you to leave because of me..What I post and my beliefs, I DEFEND THEM AND DO NOT ASK ANYONE ELSE TO **GANG UP WITH ME** against conservatives which is not like your ilk, who always gang up with your conservative cohorts on the liberal board against the liberals.  Whatever reason anyone on the liberal board asks you to leave is NOT BECAUSE OF GT..Maybe in your psyche it is easier to take, thinking..well, they only ask us to leave because of **GT's tender feelings**..Well, that is not the reason..I have never asked anyone on the liberal board to back me up or to ask you conservatives to leave..It is their opinions, beliefs and feelings and I have mine..When they ask you to leave they do so for their own reasons, NOT MINE.


Actually no, that isn't what Neocon means at all. sm

And I wasn't the one who wrote the things you are responding to, but here is a really good definition of Neocon and perhaps you can see why AG and I and others have stridently objected to being labeled Neocon in the past.  Though I have some Neocon friends and I admire most of their beliefs, I am no Neocon.  Neither, for that matter, is President Bush, who has been labeled a neocon ad nauseum on these boards.


From Chris Jones:


It would appear that you are unfamiliar with the history of the neo-conservative movement, a history which explains why some folks associate it with Jews and why the use of “neo-con” as a pejorative seems to some to smell of anti-Semitism.


The original “neo-conservatives” were a group of left-of-center intellectuals who became disillusioned with their liberal politics and became conservatives — mostly, but not exclusively, on foreign policy and national security issues. Many, but not all, of these intellectuals were Jewish, and the “center of gravity” of the nascent neo-conservative movement was Commentary magazine and its editors and writers. Prominent among the early neo-conservatives were Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz (who are Jewish) and Jeanne Kirkpatrick (who is (I think) a Gentile). Commentary magazine played the role in the neo-conservative movement that was played by National Review in the broader conservative intellectual movement of the 1960s and 1970s.


The contemporary conservative journalists Bill Kristol and John Podhoretz are the sons of the early neo-conservatives Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz.


The defining characteristic of neo-conservatism, properly so called, is a belief in a robustly activist foreign policy by people who were formerly left-of-center. The movement is associated with Jewish-ness because many of its early leading lights happened to be Jews; but Jewish-ness is accidental to the movement, not characteristic of it. To use “neo-con” as a sort of vaguely anti-Semitic slur is not only dishonorable, but a misuse of language. That doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen, though. 


Another cut and paste from a neocon rag

Boy, you are a slow learner.  You complain to another poster that the NY Times is liberal slanted yet you cut and paste from you right-wing neocon rags (I know you don't like the neocon label but too bad).  You make it appear this is your original thinking.  You post this stuff like it's your original writing and thinking but it's all cut and paste or right-wing propanda.  I think you get 1 star on this one but you get high marks for crazed and annoying persistence and perserveration.


You evidently don't know what a NeoCon is.
She is not one of them. Why do you think Bush & Cheney and other NeoCons are upset by this pick.

Is this what the democrat party has turned into...hateful, mean-spirited, sour, and jealous. Your comments are about the lowest I have seen in a long time.

The only thing I can think of is that you thought because Bush was such a horrible president and everyone hates him that Barack and Joe would just be able to waltz in and take over. Now the republicans have a good VP candidate and there is more and more discussions about how JM has just elevated his chances of winning. The more people are learning about her the more they are like her and all reports for both conservative and liberals are in agreement with one thing...this is an amazing lady and definitely qualified to become the first woman president in history.

You are just grasping at straws trying to invent things that are not true and just stir up trouble.

Your comments are so juvenile. I just say thank goodnes at least I'm not in grammar school anymore.
Neocon human shield
You are the one who is so PRO WAR, why dont you become a human shield and go to Iraq and help the unfortunate people we have destroyed and stop spouting your hate and baloney here.  Im anti war, 100% and anti Bush for sure..I hope Bush rots in hell along with his family because they could have talked some sense into him.  They all should go to Iraq if they believe so much in the *noble mission*..Oh, wait a minute, what is the mission?  WMD?, Nah, liberating Iraq and creating a Demcracy, nah, never gonna happen. 
Typical NeoCon spincrud
NOBODY KNOWS for a FACT what is causing climate change on earth. It's just as much propaganda to hear one side as the other on the matter. Not surprising however that NeoCons would find outrageous the fact that anyone might want to take some action to lessen the human impact on the planet in hopes of preserving some part of it for future generations. Oh, how EVIL! Oh, the dark awful motivations of people who want to CLEAN THE AIR and restore some balance to our atmosphere.

Besides that the article is ridiculously stupid. It harps on KILLER hurricanes. Oooh killer hurricanes are DECREASING DECREASING.

Interesting fact ANYONE can figure out for themselves: Hurricane ANDREW (note the first letter) struck on an August 29. First hurricane of the season that year. On August 29.

Note Katrina's first letter: K. That makes her the 11TH hurricane of this year. On August 29.

While the category 4's and 5's are rare, the instance for having them at all is VASTLY INCREASED WHEN THE NUMBER OF HURRICANES THAT COULD BECOME ONE ARE VASTLY INCREASED. Last year and this year both have shown an astonishing upsurge in the NUMBER of hurricanes were are experiencing per season. Since hurricanes are born in the hot air over the African desert, the fact that the desert is expanding by leaps and bounds due to an upward trend in temperatures in that region virtually guarantees we will be having more and more hurricanes that have a chance to develop into killers under just the right conditions.

Nobody knows if global warming is responsible for the expansion of the Sahara or the melting of the polar glaciers, or if the worldwide phenomenon is due to mankind's effects or is just a natural cycle we can't avert. WHO CARES. If some educated people believe they know a way we can HELP the situation why do NeoCons want to thwart them? Oh, right, because corporations might lose money. Our oil economy might burp. So, let's just pooh the world away why don't we. Let's make it a political game and let our arrogant pride hold out for the sake of nothing but holding out. That's the NeoCon game!
Another neocon lie. GT has repeatedly tried to debate

in an intelligent non-bashing manner, but you people can't stand that.


Just go to page #11 and see the posts on 7/20 and 7/21 where she took MT's abuse, let it roll off her back and tried to debate with her, watched as MT was close to having a seizure and then told her to chill. 


Reading the archives is interesting.  LOL.  Even see one where MT denies being a conservative and then says she'll never post here again.  


another ignorant post from a neocon

Your accusation that because Im liberal/democrat/anti war and so I smoke reefer shows your ignorance..PERIOD..I dont post in broad generalizations and I ask you to show me where I have..PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I HAVE POSTED IN BROAD GENERALIZATIONS OR LIES.  And, I once again ask you to show me the news reports of where there was a stench in the DC mall because of the anti war people or the anti war people in your town do not bathe and stink..Show me the stories..Waiting for the proof..sure hope you can post it, otherwise guess you are discredited and proven to be a liar (so what else is new, conservative=liar)..Guess you need to find another handle to post under the liberal board, LOL.  


Have you seen the neocon think tank's web page?sm
This is who supplies Bush with most of his ideas. Take a look at the PNAC's members list.
www.newamericancentury.org

Also, take a look at:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Their plan is for super power and extensive wars. Lebanon is simply a pretext to invading Iran,just like they used 911 to invade Afghanistan (but really wanted to attack Iraq not for WMD but for their energy resources). Doing a little more research you will also find the USA Patriot Act was written before 9-11.
And you demonstrate neocon policies.

Lying and attacking and personal insults.  You can't defend the issues because your theory is indefensible.


Again, this is the liberal board.  We're not here to please you.


From one post you figure someone is a neocon...
geez. Post a clip, so people can see the whole context of what was said. Then let them decide. After all the ripping of Sarah Palin, you seize on this? Walls shattering in your glass house there, friend.
Neocon, I think you are posting on the wrong board
GET OFF THE LIBERAL BOARD, FOOL..we dont want you here.
Coulter - Acerbic Neocon Banshee.sm
This woman has nerve calling anyone Godless when she supports an administration commiting genocide throughout the world. The 911 truth movement is getting stronger every day, so it does not surprise me she is attacking 911 widows. Her most priceless statement was, they ought to just take the money and shut up on MSNBC last night.
Pay close attention. The question was about pub/NeoCon
Do the conservatives have any clue about how to address these issues, other than run from them. This is a yes or no question.
Nice 2 C fascism is alive and well in NeoCon USA.
Keep this up and the only thing Obama will have to do to win the election is keep breathing.
Williams confronts neocon pundit Kristol.sm
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/16/kristol-williams/
NeoCon cult vision promotes more fear.
nm
Yeah, right. Creating a NeoCon parallel universe
nm
Careful! Some neocon troll might twist your post into a threat!!!

More delusions of grandeur from the NCFC (Neocon/femocon) fringe.
su
Luckily, your foul tricks won't work this time. Begone, NeoCon.
You guys have tried this before and the only reason it worked was because a) you had a fresh crop of victims every few months or so as the liberals you didn't like got banned from the board, and b) you know the ins and outs because you yourselves were posting under multiple names repeatedly for a very long time. Your favorite trick was always to accuse others of doing what you yourselves were constantly doing, and you vicously accused a lot of innocent people who had no idea what you were talking about. I believe the Bible calls this false witness. Not that you'd care.

The liberals don't have to resort to such deceit. They actually say something in their posts and they believe in what they say. They stand by their words.

It's the one-line slimers who post and run anonymously and try to pump themselves up to look like more than they are by posting under multiple names, agreeing with themselves - they have nothing better to do, no real thoughts to offer, and no real desire to communicate. Hence the anonymous posts they don't want to own. All they are about is tearing down and creating conflict - kind of like the administration they revere.

So don't try it, NeoCons - your habit of blaming others for the deceit you practice yourselves isn't going to fly anymore. You're busted.
I don't like to use that term.

to be referred to as that either, but then again if she's referring to herself as a pitbull, then maybe she does. 


 


First or second term

I wonder when they will make Obama's birthday a national holiday.


 


What term would you prefer? I am sure you have
nm
still doubtful he will win a second term.

That he'll only have 1 term....
If 2 terms equals 8 minutes, 1 term equals 4.
Late term...(sm)
If the infant is able to survive outside the womb, then it would fall on the physician to do whatever possible to save that life (even if that includes refusing to do an abortion), just like any other.  I don't think you'll find too many docs who will actually do abortions that late because it's increasingly dangerous for the mother.  I think most clinics only go up to about 15 or 16 weeks anyway.  I do think that if you are going to have an abortion it should be done in a timely manner anyway for the mother's health.  I also believe that if the mother's life is in danger from the pregnancy, a late-term abortion may be necessary.  And then there's the money.  I wonder how many people have to opt for late-term abortions because it takes them that long to get the money for the abortion.  Yet another reason to add in abortion to family planning services.
We can't wait until the end of his term as you put it

People are underwater every day and more following. Trying to pass a budget before it's necessary is just another way of spending money and has nothing to do to help the economy, especially with the thousands of earmarks in it. The congress and senate are still on the so-called honeymoon and O thinks everything will go smooth for the first 100 days.


Well, it's not. It's not better than when Bush was office. The house and senate are still fighting and nothing O says helps. Of course, NP and her threats don't help. Bipartisanship my foot! NP wants to take over and she's doing a very good job of being "acting  president."


 


The term 'fundamentalist'

has acquired a negative interpretation.  But all it really means is adherence to the fundamentals of any given religion.  Militance and intolerance are implied in the term Islamism.  These are not just ''fundamentalist Muslims' but a whole step beyond that.


He did not start that term FYI!

He was quoting what others had nicknamed the man already.  You just can't let crazy people be crazy people, can you?  Instead you have to pick some conservative leaning person to blame everything on.  The man who shot Tiller is to blame for this...no one else.


Or how about this....if Tiller had never aborted so many fetuses late term for questionable reasons, other than the mother's health, he never would have been under investigation and he would never have been publically exposed.  So whose fault is this really?  I personally feel that if Tiller had stayed within the guidelines on this, he never would have made nation wide news in the first place.


However, regardless of his actions and whether or not I find them to be disgusting, he still should not have been gunned down.  The man who killed him is a crazy wacko.  No one told him to do it.  He took it upon himself to do it.  He is to blame for his actions....not Bill O'Reilly.  So how about you stop the spin, stop the blame game, and actually make people take responsibility for their own actions.


That is a big problem with our country today.  Too many people pointing the finger at others and not enough people admitting their own faults and taking blame for what they have done.  Much easier to point the finger and blame someone else.


The term *Christian Right* was given our by liberals
so, giving us the defination of Christian right is condeming us for the title your group gave us.
In 35 years, I have never known of an ectopic going to term. nm

That was in his Illinois senate term...
this one was in the US Senate. Yeah, he shows up for the important votes like against the Infant Born Alive Act...twice...and now we find out FOR the bridge to nowhere and AGAINST Katrina victims. Still makes me question his judgments and his priorities. Sorry, that is the way I see it.
Christian was actually a derogatory term
used to describe the followers of Christ. Christian means "little Christ" because TRUE Christians are supposed to strive to be like Jesus.

We are to beware of false prophets and those who go around claiming to be Christians. You will know them by the fruit that they bear. Jesus told the parable of the wheat and the tares. It is hard to discern them by looking at them, but in the end the tares will be cast into the fire. The tares are those who say "I am a Christian" but then go about killing, plundering, etc. You are not a true Christian if you do these things. The wheat are the Christians who strive to be like Christ. Although they fail everyday, they get up and try again. When they sin they ask forgiveness and try their darnest not to do it again. When we mess up we feel conviction and that leads us to ask for forgiveness. No true Christian will go out and sin without guilt or remorse. That is like slapping God in the face.

I am a Southern Baptist. Anything taught at our church comes straight from the Bible. We look at all verses IN CONTEXT. My pastor won't even paraphrase! We believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. We strive to do everything that is commanded of us by Christ. No, we do not follow OT rules, because when Christ came he brought a new law. When Peter was in Goppa he was told by God that all animals were fit for eating, therefore we are not required to not eat certain foods any longer. We are not required to offer sacrifice anymore since Christ was the ultimate sacrifice.

One of the biggest commandments Jesus gave us was The Great Commission - to go and tell the world of what He did and the saving grace of the cross. We are to care for "widows and orphans" and to help those in need. We are to love our neighbor, but we are to use the Word to rebuke and teach GENTLY. If another Christian is out of line, we are to remind them of what Christ told us. We are not to judge the sinner, as we are also sinners. But we are to hate the sin, and we are to worn others of the sins they commit. Why? Because that sin SEPARATES them from God and in the end will cause them to spend eternity in he11.

I believe on Judgment Day there will be many people who say "I did not know!" and Christ will say "you heard so many times and refused to believe!"

It's amazing at the ease of which people can be saved yet they refuse to accept it. Jesus did all the work for us. All that is required is to accept that He did that and give Him the glory for saving you.

If you are a parent with older children, I'm sure you remember a time when your child was a teen and the closeness you had when they were younger seemed to disappear. Hopefully as they got older you again became close. That is what God wants with us. He wants a close, personal relationship with each one of us. But because of our sin that cannot be achieved without accepting Christ. Christ is the tie between us and God.


it is a term that Michael Savage came up with. But then he may not be the only one. sm
Michael Savage uses the term in talking about people who follow in a group blindly, just like sheep in a flock. He uses it a lot when referring to people who don't think for themselves and just follow the crowd along repeating what the crowd wants them to. And he uses it as a bipartisan term.
SOS, justice lifetime term. nm
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I'd say at least wait until his term BEGINS. nm
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No, necessary evil is just a term used to excuse
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Does it really matter in the long term.......... sm
who is blamed if this goes into effect? It will still negatively impact healthcare for all Americans, but more especially those who are elderly and have multiple comorbid conditions or anyone whom the government deems "terminal." Again, we have an instance of the government taking over an area in which they have no expertise. What's next?
Ever heard of the term "full of it"
You most certainly are forcing your prayers and viewpoints on us. When my son comes home upset because the "church lady" came to his school and got all of his classmates rounded up to pray and be "saved" and then go out to the church van for cookies and juice, but only after they've "given their life to christ, blah, blah, blah". YES YOU ARE CRAMMING YOUR RELIGIOUS VIEWPOINTS DOWN OUR THROATS. When he said we don't believe in that and all his classmates and friends made fun of him and laughed and the "church lady" not saying anything like "that's not nice to do" or "that's not what Jesus would do". Making fun of children so that they will pray and get juice and cookies just like their friends did, and now showing up at their school to pray regularly. When I called the office of the Principal and asked what was going on he said, "oh that's Mrs. --- from our local church, she comes to pray with the kids who aren't getting it at home. Then told me if he doesn't want to join in he can sit in the classroom while the others are out getting refreshments. When the teachers in the lunch room have all her students stand in a circle holding hands saying a prayer before they eat. When your church lady roams the stores and corners us in the produce section and says to us "do I know you, you both look familiar", and we say no, and she says "have you given your life to christ" and we don't answer and she grabs our hands and says let me pray with you, and then holds on while she prays out loud, and us not wanting to be rude just stand there and look around at the other customers watching us. Then we continue on shopping and we see her heading down the bread isle and she walks up to another couple and says to them "do I know you, you both look familiar to me", and they guy looks like he wants to escape and the girl doesn't want to be rude and there goes the church lady grabbing their hands and praying. Yeah, I would say you are forcing your religion and prayers on us and our children.

But you know what. Gay people are not forcing you to have a gay relationship. So what if a homosexual teacher is at the school teaching about the different lifestyles. If you don't agree with it, then talk to your kids and tell them what your viewpoints and feelings are. It's no different than having a black teacher talking about Martin Luther King, or a Hispanic teacher talking about some way of life in Mexico. I'd rather have a homosexual teacher anyday teaching my kids and have them come home and ask questions with me and my husband rather than some church goers coming in to force my children into praying, and telling them they are going to go to he!! if they don't change their ways and join their "club" - a perverted practice in itself.

So what if our kids have a day of silence. It is an act to protest the name-calling, bullying and harrassment of lesbian and gay students and their supporters. If your against that I guess you are all for harrassing and calling gays and lesbians names (which reading your posts below I understand you think that is an okay behavior). For Martin Luther King you get a whole day off. For Jesus Christ you get a whole week off. So what if there is a day of silence.

There is no double standard. The word God is used in our schools and all over the place. This lie that you can't even mutter the word God in school without getting expelled is complete rubbish. It's just not true. I go to the schools and see the kids praying together on the bleachers, before sports games, in the hallways, ALL the time. Kids in the hallways talking about what they did in church, etc, etc. I can't even go to my quilt guild without the clique of "church goers" talking about church and sunday school and what they learned. Then in the next breath they make snippy and nasty remarks about other people they don't like. One girl left the meeting crying (they said something about they don't think they would like her husband very much to which she replied well good thing your not married to him then because I love him). Then she picked up her stuff and left. Then they looked at each other and said what's her problem. I looked at them and said "Do they teach you in your church and sunday school how to be rude and hurt other's feelings like you just did?" I walked out and haven't been back.

You know, a gay teacher is not going to turn your child gay, but the church people coming to our schools to covert and pray with the students, and getting caught in every store I got to telling me if I don't go to their church I'm a sinner and I'm on the path to he!! is totally different. And it's always the haters of gays people that always use that as an excuse "oh you can't utter the word god or you'll be hauled off to prison". Sheesh! I'd say nice try but its just complete and utter lies.
Ever heard of the term "full of it"
You most certainly are forcing your prayers and viewpoints on us. When my son comes home upset because the "church lady" came to his school and got all of his classmates rounded up to pray and be "saved" and then go out to the church van for cookies and juice, but only after they've "given their life to christ, blah, blah, blah". YES YOU ARE CRAMMING YOUR RELIGIOUS VIEWPOINTS DOWN OUR THROATS. When he said we don't believe in that and all his classmates and friends made fun of him and laughed and the "church lady" not saying anything like "that's not nice to do" or "that's not what Jesus would do". Making fun of children so that they will pray and get juice and cookies just like their friends did, and now showing up at their school to pray regularly. When I called the office of the Principal and asked what was going on he said, "oh that's Mrs. --- from our local church, she comes to pray with the kids who aren't getting it at home. Then told me if he doesn't want to join in he can sit in the classroom while the others are out getting refreshments. When the teachers in the lunch room have all her students stand in a circle holding hands saying a prayer before they eat. When your church lady roams the stores and corners us in the produce section and says to us "do I know you, you both look familiar", and we say no, and she says "have you given your life to christ" and we don't answer and she grabs our hands and says let me pray with you, and then holds on while she prays out loud, and us not wanting to be rude just stand there and look around at the other customers watching us. Then we continue on shopping and we see her heading down the bread isle and she walks up to another couple and says to them "do I know you, you both look familiar to me", and they guy looks like he wants to escape and the girl doesn't want to be rude and there goes the church lady grabbing their hands and praying. Yeah, I would say you are forcing your religion and prayers on us and our children.

But you know what. Gay people are not forcing you to have a gay relationship. So what if a homosexual teacher is at the school teaching about the different lifestyles. If you don't agree with it, then talk to your kids and tell them what your viewpoints and feelings are. It's no different than having a black teacher talking about Martin Luther King, or a Hispanic teacher talking about some way of life in Mexico. I'd rather have a homosexual teacher anyday teaching my kids and have them come home and ask questions with me and my husband rather than some church goers coming in to force my children into praying, and telling them they are going to go to he!! if they don't change their ways and join their "club" - a perverted practice in itself.

So what if our kids have a day of silence. It is an act to protest the name-calling, bullying and harrassment of lesbian and gay students and their supporters. If your against that I guess you are all for harrassing and calling gays and lesbians names (which reading your posts below I understand you think that is an okay behavior). For Martin Luther King you get a whole day off. For Jesus Christ you get a whole week off. So what if there is a day of silence.

There is no double standard. The word God is used in our schools and all over the place. This lie that you can't even mutter the word God in school without getting expelled is complete rubbish. It's just not true. I go to the schools and see the kids praying together on the bleachers, before sports games, in the hallways, ALL the time. Kids in the hallways talking about what they did in church, etc, etc. I can't even go to my quilt guild without the clique of "church goers" talking about church and sunday school and what they learned. Then in the next breath they make snippy and nasty remarks about other people they don't like. One girl left the meeting crying (they said something about they don't think they would like her husband very much to which she replied well good thing your not married to him then because I love him). Then she picked up her stuff and left. Then they looked at each other and said what's her problem. I looked at them and said "Do they teach you in your church and sunday school how to be rude and hurt other's feelings like you just did?" I walked out and haven't been back.

You know, a gay teacher is not going to turn your child gay, but the church people coming to our schools to covert and pray with the students, and getting caught in every store I got to telling me if I don't go to their church I'm a sinner and I'm on the path to he!! is totally different. And it's always the haters of gays people that always use that as an excuse "oh you can't utter the word god or you'll be hauled off to prison". Sheesh! I'd say nice try but its just complete and utter lies. My @sscream is right!
"Feminist" is a very outdated term.

The term *Islamist* was coined
There are no moderate Islamists, just as there are no moderate KKK members or moderate Black Panthers. However, there are moderate Muslims.
I used the term "lynch" loosely
meaning they would be "up in arms."