???? Um. News flash. Hillary didn't win - - - nm

• Listen to me, this choice is the death knell for - John McCain
  • Campaign was already dead. That's why - He's trying to shake/wake things up. nm
    • it was an insane choice - bluestraveler
    • You have no idea what you are talking about - idiotic statement. nm.
      • Could you be a tad more specific? - Who are you trying to discredit? nm
  • I would have agreed with if he had chosen... - ms
    • yeah McBush will get all the feminist votes now - unfortuantely
      • au contraire - bluestraveler
      • I'm a died-in-the-wool feminist, and have - - a new brand of dog food!; email=[sierraskier2008-m
        • Obama = Hope. McCain = Dope. - Just say "nope." nm
          • This post makes it appear YOU are - on the dope! nm
            • Dope as in dumbo, not drugs. - Where's your head at? nm
        • Whatt?? ( don't know where that dog food ad - came from, sorry about that!
      • Not nearly - dee
      • wrong, wrong - sm
      • Based on what? Genitalia over issues? - Give women some credit here. sm
        • come on..have you been watching the news? - there are so many feminist groups refusing
          • ???? Um. News flash. Hillary didn't win - - - nm - ????
          • Won't be too impressed with Palin's calling - Hillary a "whiner." sm
            • Yes! Palin called Hilliary - bluestraveler
              • For more on what NeoCons say when - They think noone's listening....
                • such nonsense - sm
            • Well said - me
              • Didn't know about that one. - Thanks for the tip. nm
          • sorry...b/c Hillary'd DIDN'T win - xx

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Using the term living in ignorance is not calling a name.  If you are that sensitive, political boards are not for you.

I have had an abortion.  Was it for my own convenience?  No.  Did I have to have escorts into the building because people like you were outside throwing bottles and yelling murderer?  Yes.  By the way, they set a bomb the next day that killed quite a few people.  I guess that wasn't murder though because it was name of the lord.  Did I enjoy ripping my child apart limb by limb and decapitating him/her as you so eloquantly put it?  Not so much.  Was it really like that even?  No.  How did I know?  Well, let's just say the tape they used to hold the material over the *collection jar* didn't stick very well.  What you don't understand is that having an abortion is not an easy decision, but sometimes it is a necessary decision. 

So why did I have an abortion?  I had 2 choices.  I could have the child who was fathered by the man who was my husband at the time, who would have beaten the child just like he beat and raped me, or I could have had the child so it could end up in that list of children you just turned your nose up at.  You see, not everybody fits into that nice little box you like to call *girls who just want to get pregnant,* but if that makes it prettier for you, then go right ahead.

Religion:

I don't have a problem with faith, I have a problem with religion, especially when it impacts social issues that would take away rights of others who are not represented by that religion, or when it presents a double standard (you really don't have to look too hard to find those).  A person on this board wrote that politics don't belong in the pulput.  I agree.  But I also believe that the pulput doesn't belong in politics.  Keep your religion, let it teach you whatever it will, abide by it's rules.  Just don't expect others to have the same set of rules.

Helping my community:  You have no idea what I do and don't do, so I wouldn't be so quick to judge someone you don't know.  Maybe you should spend less time running all over the world trying to find that perfect baby that will look just like mommy and daddy and spend more time using that money spent on the kids here that need help.  I guess that would be too much to ask for because those children here are just too much of a pain in the a$$ for you.

You just keep on rambling on about how wonderful you are and how $hitty everyone else is.  Oh, and might I point out that most christians I know don't help others for recognition (your boasting is disgusting), they help others because they want to and because that is what their faith teaches them to do.

The current debt of the US BEFORE this plan is $10,765,494,601,610.69 as of Feb 14, 2009.  It has continued to increase by about $3.58 billion PER DAY since Sept 28, 2007.  Hmmmm.....

I wonder what could be costing us so much?  How about this?

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

And you want to complain about spending money that will actually BENEFIT people. 

We get the fact that this deficit was there before Obama took office.  However, there were many dems who voted in favor of the war in Iraq...including Hillary Clinton.  Bush didn't do all of this on his own.  He did all of this with the help of the rest of the government and within the last few years or so....I do believe dems controlled congress. 

All this being said, it still does not make spending 1 trillion dollars okay because....hey Bush already racked up a huge deficit first.  Government spending is part of what got us in this mess in the first place and now what is government doing.......SPENDING MORE.  I can't help but cringe. 

As far as blaming all this money being spent on Iraq......how about all the money that goes to illegal aliens daily.  We are talking billions of dollars going to illegal aliens in this country....and I do believe Obama's own aunt is one of those. 

One madam reported her girls were getting $260 for 60 minutes but now they're hurting because of the economy.   Boy, it's pretty bad when our news media thinks it's noteworthy to note the whores are hurting. 

Yesterday, Hillary scheduled her big ballyhoo to end her campaign, curiously at high noon. I live in out west, so everything is two hours behind.

I had been up most of the night and tuned into MSNBC early, at about 9:45 a.m. (11:45 a.m. Hillary time). Although I was pretty tired, I was looking forward to personally assessing the features of Hillary's personality as she spoke and wanted to see if this was going to be another speech that was all about her, with bitterness and a sense of entitlement, or if one of her other personalities would emerge, perhaps a kinder, gentler one, very much hoping for the latter..

Here's the time line:

9:45:00 a.m.: No Hillary yet, but I'm early. Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann (my two favorites) are hosting this historic event. I can listen to these two guys talk all day.

9:50:00 a.m.: I can't listen to these two guys talk all day, so I begin channel surfing. Rachel Ray is cooking what looks to be some GOOD lasagna on the Food Network. I like Rachel Ray (despite the fact she's secretly a Muslim), but I can't get too involved because I am waiting for Hillary.

9:55:00 a.m.: Back to MSNBC. Chris and Keith still chatting. Hey, guys. We've got FIVE MINUTES to go here. Shouldn't we be -- what? Senator Clinton hasn't left her house yet? Quick shot to Senator Clinton's house reveals no visible activity. (Whose motorcycle is that, anyway?)

10:00:29 a.m.: Back to the remote. Animal Planet generously offers, "Cracking the Secret Code of Ants," complete with close-up shots of a gazillion ants. Uh, thanks, but no thanks. Whatever happened to that cute little meerkat -- Daisy or Rose or whatever flowery name the gave her -- yeah, that's it: Her name was FLOWER! Those ants are just too creepy!

10:00:30 a.m.: History Channel is showing Ax Men. I think not.

10:00:32 a.m.: Back to MSNBC: Clinton still hasn't left house. What the -- I bet she handcuffed herself to a piano, swallowed the key, they're trying to drag her out of the house, and she is refusing to leave.

10:00:35 a.m.: Beginning to feel extreme anxiety and tension. Recall that I was prescribed Xanax for such occasions. I'll only take a half of one because otherwise, I'll fall asleep, and I can't do that because Hillary's speech is too important!

10:03:00 a.m.: More surfing. Ooooooh. FX is showing Dharma and Greg at 10:00. As I tune in, Dharma is at her in-laws', having dinner and explaining why she sleeps in the nude. Some hot-looking foreign guy declares everyone at the table to be sexy. (Hot-looking foreign guy is Greg's aunt's new boyfriend. Greg's aunt wants a divorce from Greg's uncle and wants Greg to represent her.) As usual, Dharma does her good deed and tries to bring aunt and uncle back together. Greg is angry because Dharma's interference causes him to lose client. I decide Dharma would make a great diplomat to Iran. As you can see from the time line, this show moves very quickly (plus, it's a rerun that I've already seen).

10:07:00 a.m.: Back to surfing. Hit "channel down" button. "Army Wives" is on Lifetime. Like the show, but these are all reruns.

10:08:00 a.m.: Back to the clicker, hitting "channel up" button. Arrive at Animal Planet just in time to be greeted by the words, "...something gripped in ant's jaw." Am reminded to check MSNBC again.

10:08:02 a.m.: MSNBC makes another announcement: "Senator Clinton has not left her house. Endorsement speech delayed." Well, DUH! Am becoming a tad annoyed at this point. I wonder if she'd be late for her own funeral -- oops -- bad example. She already is, politically, "presidentially" speaking. Banner at bottom of screen: "Senator Hillary Clinton to Suspend Campaign and Endorse Obama." Suspend? SUSPEND???!!! Is she still holding out for that bizarre RFK scenario she shared with the entire world the other week? All the other candidates ENDED their campaigns, and she's still SUSPENDING?!!

10:11:00 a.m.: Back to Food Network. Someone's preparing grilled peach salad. Being basically a meat and potatoes kind of person, this is just a little too "busy" for me. (It's really quite simple: Peaches are good either plain or with ice cream, yogurt or cream; burgers, dogs, chicken, ribs and steaks, etc. are grilled; and salad consists of lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, celery, onion, and maybe a few other ingredients, but PEACHES ain't one of them.) Thinking how strange this all is triggers my memory to try MSNBC again..

10:13:00 a.m.: No news yet. Annoyance still present but somewhat "soothed."

10:14:00 a.m.: Channel-surf my way to Oxygen. "Snapped" is on. Again reminded of Hillary and tune back in to MSNBC.

10:17:00 a.m.: People still yacking, no Hillary, and the motorcycle outside her house is looking smaller all the time.

10:17:45 a.m.: Remote takes me back to the Food Network. The show is called "Rescue Chef." Acutely aware of my own personal culinary challenges, I pop a tape into the VCR and press "Record."

10:18:15: a.m.: I come to the realization that the show with that weird grilled peach salad IS "Rescue Chef," the show I'm taping. I remove tape from VCR.

10:19:00 a.m.: Back to the clicker. "Dominick Dunne's Power, Privilege and Justice" is on truTV. Again reminded not to take eye off prize and click back on to MSNBC, this time for the duration.

10:26:00 a.m.: People moving about outside Hillary's house. Motorcade leaving. Why does she need a MOTORCADE? Why couldn't she just do all of this, ON TIME, perhaps in the setting of one of her "conversations," sitting on her couch, smiling and trying to sound sincere? My annoyance quickly turns to anticipation, though. Finally!!! I yawn. My tension and anxiety have completely abated. I yell "Hurry, Hillary. Hurry!!" out loud. Dog stares at me in tilted-head confusion.

7:14:00 p.m.: I suddenly awaken to one of MSNBC's boring prison shows, distressed, sweating profusely and panic-stricken, after having had a nightmare about watching "Snapped," showing Dharma Montgomery in prison, having been convicted of poisoning her husband, Army Private Greg Montgomery, after serving him a dinner of lasagna with grilled peach salad in which she had hidden fire ants that she had killed with an ax. An Army Colonel by the name of Barack Olbermann had discovered Private Montgomery's body in the desert, near a colony of meerkats. Hillary Clinton, Dharma's attorney, is also interviewed. Dharma is sentenced to life in prison without parole.

What I learned today:

1. A half a Xanax works just as well as a full one.

2. Grilled peach salad really IS bad.

I've actually been thinking of voting for her if she runs.  A year ago, I couldn't stand her.  I don't know if she's changed or if I've changed, but what I mostly think it is, is that the further right the neocons go, the further toward center she seems to wind up.

As far as respect, let's see... She has the ability to articulately and intelligent form SENTENCES using the English language.  That in and of itself is worthy of much more respect than what we've currently got.

She seems to have enormous strength without being a bully.  I can't recall her telling the rest of the world to "Bring it on." 

I'm somewhere between being a Democrat and Republican.  I tend to vote for someone because of issues, not because of party affiliation.  I've registered as an Independent because of that, and I'm glad I did because these days of Republicans and skyrocketing deficits, increasing intrusion of government into the personal lives of American citizens, etc. leaves me wondering just what Republican and Democrat means any more.

Republican seems to now mean a particular, narrow brand of Christianity (rather than a brand of politics), lying as a regular and customary part of doing business with the American people and the world, destroying the lives of people who disagree with them, completely stalling and bringing science to a screeching halt, forcing regime change on weaker countries through war, while showing weakness and backing down from true threats, such as North Korea.

And Democrats -- well, I just don't know any more what they stand for.

Again, as far as Hillary is concerned, she left a bad taste in my mouth when she seemed to put down stay-at-home moms with her comment about choosing her career over staying home and "having teas."  I feel being a mother is probably the most important job there is, and I didn't appreciate that comment.  However, recently she's looking a lot better to me.

I also would like to see more from Giuliani.  I think he demonstrated excellent leadership during the 9/11 tragedy, and he seems to be more moderate when it comes to the personal lives of people.

My DREAM President would have been Colin Powell.  I can't recall seeing such grace, dignity and intelligence in a politician.  He also has firsthand combat experience in foreign lands and might not be so hasty to jeopardize soldiers' lives as someone who didn't have the guts to put his own life on the line yet seems to find the lives of our young people readily disposable for nation building, rather than defending America.

I truly don't think we can do any WORSE than what we have now.  If we can just all hold our breath and tread lightly, we just might be able to survive the next three years, not because of this president but IN SPITE of him. 

Hillary just might be someone who would actually put Americans' safety and America, in general, FIRST.  Wouldn't that be a nice change?

Personally, I don't care what Laura did when she was 17, even if she was driving drunk. But, republicans are relentless and we can't let this go without mentioning the certain media frenzy if this had been Hillary who killed her first fiance.

If it had been Hillary:

Barbara Olson would have a best seller on it.
Ann Coulter would have a best seller on it.
Peggy Noonan would have a best seller on it.
Laura Ingraham would have a best seller on it.
Laura Schlessinger would have a best seller on it.
David Limbaugh would have a best seller on it.
Christopher Hitchens would have a best seller on it.
Dick Morris would have a best seller on it.
Bob Woodward would have a best seller on it.
Christopher Ruddy would have a best seller on it.
Ben Stein would have a best seller on it.
Gail Sheehy would have a best seller on it
Neal Boortz would have a best seller on it.
David P. Schippers would have a best seller on it.
David Maraniss would have a best seller on it.
Mike Barnacle would claim he was in the car with Hillary.
Joe Klein would write a best seller on it, but swear he didn't
Judas Stephanopolous Maximus would have a best seller on it.
Joe Eszterhas would fabricate quotes from Hillary's vagina.
Michael Isikoff would swear the conversation was "off the record"
but then turn around and print every word (plus some he made up.)
Kenneth Starr would write an impeachment referral over it.
Susan McDougal would still have to do time in prison,
and Julie Hiatt Steele would still lose her house.

The vulgar Pigboy would pound on her 15 hours a week until 2009.
O'Reilly would pound on Hillary for months and years.
Hannity would pound on Hillary for months and years.
(and Colmes would remain silent while he did...)
Paula Zahn would pound on Hillary for months and years.
Brit Hume would have weekly "Special reports" called "Accident? You Decide!"
Juan Willaims and Mara Liason would agree Hillary belongs in prison.

CNN would create a spin off network to cover it 24/7.
Tim would mention it every Sunday until he died.
Chris would pound on Hillary for months and years,
but no guest would ever get to answer any questions about it.
Cokie Roberts would mention it every week, then giggle.
Henry Hyde would scream, "The flag is falling."

Richard Mellon Scaife would pay David Brock $80,000 to talk to the cops who were paid $80,000 to say "We thought we smelled liquor, but everyone in Arkansas knows there'd be hell to pay if we wrote this up as a drunk driving accident."
The American Spectator would then run a front page story on it, and somehow Paula Jones would run into the spotlight screaming, "Hillary was trying to kill me - and missed," then the 
mainstream media would've made Paula a star on this story instead of the other one.
Then every night, Larry King and his "panel of experts" would search for the connection between Hillary's accident and Clinton's penis - as he always does.

...but since it was Bush's wife, Karl Rove gave orders not to bring it up.

she really got a major hatchet job sent her way....

http://www.lynettelong.com/my_weblog/2008/07/are-superdelega.html#more

No wonder a bunch of Hillary supporters are ... shall we say...angry?

Campaigning in Lansing, MI for Obama Sat morning.

http://www.democrats-against-obama.org/sept2008.html

GOP Challenger to Sen. Clinton Quits Race

I remember several years ago hearing some pundits speculate about political royalty and how the Bushes and Clintons would be basically the only *families* in the White House from here on out.

Given Bill's sudden closeness to and *adoption* by Bush, Sr. and Hillary's refusal to take a stand, as you said, it kind of makes me wonder if maybe they didn't hit the nail on the head.

Hillary is wonderful so is every other democrat running..ANYONE is better than the tired old men running as republicans.  I would vote for my dog before I would vote for a republican.  We need four years of peace and prosperity and building our reputation in the world and healing this country and fixing all the destructive things this administration has done here and abroad.  Hillary, when she worked as a lawyer, was one of the top five lawyers in America.  Her IQ is higher than Bill and that has to be quite high as Bill is quite an intelligent man.  Contrast that to the person in the WH now.  I think his IQ must be around 75 to 90.

I took the time to watch the trailer of Peter Paul's Hillary Exposed trailer again this morning, took a few notes, and did a little internet research.  It is my conclusion that this is mostly fabrication with a stab at Hillary because he is angry that his investment/ideas didn't go as he had planned.

The 2000 Hollywood Gala was a farewell for Bill to garner his favor in supporting him on a business venture, with the added benefit as a fundraiser for Hillary.  Paul also gave fundraisers for others.  For whatever reason, this didn't go as he had planned.  Paul specifically stated that he only gave the fundraiser for Hillary to get to Bill.  There is no evidence suggesting that Clinton told Levin to seduce Oto to oust Paul to destroy him and SLM. 

The phone call to SLM from Hillary says nothing other than that she is pleased with what they are doing for her and thanking them.  I do not believe that she helped plan the gala whatsoever nor knew the full details. 

Is being a fundraiser the same as campaign contributor?  If you are shelling out money for the affair, is that considered a campaign contribution?  I didn't have time to dig into that this morning.

As David Rosen was Hillary's finance director, if he falsified documents, whether on his own or told by someone else to do it, he is the one culpable.

Digging into Peter F. Paul's past doesn't lend much to his credibility.  I am loath to believe anything from such a person.  I think he is just trying to save his own butt and trying to get back at Bill through Hillary. His stint in Brazil and being put in jail was of his own doing.

In essence, there is just not much substance here when you start digging.  This is the first of many attacks that are just beginning for Hillary as well as the other presidential candidates and should not be taken at face value.  

So Bill is now coming out saying people are picking on Hillary. 

Oh the poor baby.  Wasn't she the one who said "If you can't stand the heat....."

Whether I like her or not is besides the point.  This is an election and Bill & Hillary need to realize if you want to win you have to work towards it.  It's not going to be handed to you. 

Yes, I realize she is working hard, but so is Barack Obama.  Do you hear him crying when she makes a racial statement about him about how nobody "white" is going to vote for him?

Grow up Bill & Hillary!