6.5% is a pretty strong margin for "such a poor choice"
Posted By: The mandate is clear. on 2008-11-11
In Reply to: I felt the same way at first.... - Old part-timer
and any pretense on your part to know why someone did or did not vote for him is pure speculation. As for me, not only was he the best choice by a long-shot, but he hold the promise of being a great leader...in Colin Powell's words, a "tranformational figure" at a time when the country needed it the most.
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It's pretty obvious her strong points are not selling herself.
and this country.
Wise choice on your part - and poor judgement on O's! nm
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hey, she's pretty good, she got the poor part right!
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Margin or no......... sm
I was pointing out that it has happened in the past and could happen again, regardless of the margin held. Maybe Obama has this tied up all nice and tidy, but we won't know that until after the SC rules and after the electoral college has convened and voted and Congress has confirmed their vote. The third is a shoo-in since he has a majority Congress. The other two are up in the air for now.
Poor, poor MT. She can't pick a fight with anyone on her own board tonight and must come here to
Obama won by a very large margin... i f you sm
If you want to say not a landslide and that somehow makes you almost smile, oh well, sorry for you. OBAMA WON AND THE SMART PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM. ALL THE DUMMIES AND RACISTS WENT REPUB. EVEN DECENT REPUBS VOTED FOR HIM.
Yes, but Obama was leading more than the margin of error....
he has lost that, and McCain has been on top, with the margin of error...for several days now. Nice try, but no cigar. The polls have shifted. And Rasmussen is still creeping up. Obama had a pretty sizeable lead and that has been eaten up. He is not back to where he was, and McCain continues to inch up.
And I believe you said Obama was ahead in the polls. He isn't. Nice try.
And no I don't agree that the military poll is an accurate indicator of the military vote. I think it is indicative of a poll being pointed at deployed soldiers who are disenchanted with the current administration. It did not poll any veterans living here in the US and it did not poll Iraq veterans who have returned home. And with the huge amount of deployed soldiers is minute at best.
Nice try at the smoke screen, tho.
All that being said...polls are what they are, and can change daily. What is remarkable in this the big shift in Independents and unaffiliated voters moving toward McCain from Obama.
We will just have to see how it all pans out in coming days.
By a very slim margin with a republican president. nm
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A 12-vote margin out of 400+ votes suggests
If not, folks, it really is "turn out the lights", because this could be the biggest tax increase and worst policy bill that has EVER BEEN CONSIDERED BY CONGRESS in the history of this country.
I don't feel the need to make the choice. It's a child, not a choice. n/t
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Poor Poor Rush. Hey, how is AIR AMERICA
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Still going strong.
Wow, I think we should put you in charge of the AARP euthanasia project. He has few years let? Did you happen to see his MOTHER at the RNC?
And it's kind of silly that you equate your not being able to lose weight with someone else's inability to be vital at 72. (Here's a tip - more calories out/fewer calories in - guaranteed to work every single time. If it's something you still want, don't give up. But, please, stop superimposing your defeatist attitude on the man, will ya?)
I'll flip the coin for you.
Obama is still wet behind the ears. He has less actual executive experience than the guy ringing up change at your local Pizza Hut. Why doesn't he wait until he's lived a little, learend a LOT, and can contribute something to the Oval Office?
My sympathies on the imminent loss of your grandfather, since obviously 72 is death's doorstep. Shame on you.
Poor, poor Obama......sm
and I bet you don't think that huge press conference, surrounded by the adoring media masses, pandering to poor me (O) being taken advantage of....you don't believe that was political grandstanding?
Tsk tsk.
Strong, possibly. But was I saw most was
Yeah, believe it or not, there are actually strong and
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The union was also very strong until
the economy started really going under after 9/11. At GM, if you were "laid off" you still received 95% of your pay. They would get the regular unemployment benefits and GM would supplement the rest. This was in their contract, which to me is GMs fault, not the employee.
If it was a permanent layoff, then you went to the job banks, where you would sit for 40 hours a week, receive full pay and schooling if you wanted it. They only allowed so many people in the job banks, but it was numbering in the thousands at one point. These people also had the option of volunteering in the community instead of just sitting there. I know 3 that went on to get their degrees in other lines of work and about 10 that waited there until retirement.
This was set up in the 70s when the first massive layoff hit. This guaranteed that GM would hire back the employees that were laid off instead of hiring people off the streets. Another union thing.
I think Amanda is right from below. They made a lot of money over time and now that things are bad again, they didn't plan ahead and budget their money. No one is going to bail me out, pay my mortgage, feed my family, electric bill, etc. I know that having them go down is going to hurt many people and that is not what I want, but the bailouts that have already happened have not shown the execs to be responsible in any way. My father will be one of those losing their health benefits as well and he has medical conditions too as well as my mom. My husband works for one of their suppliers so we are affected as well. My husband busts his rear day in and day out for $17 an hour with no benefits. Overtime is not allowed. I guess I just want them to show responsibility.
Palin is strong, secure.
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You don't think there are strong, intelligent women...
who express their opinions in favor of Palin?
The conservative posters on this board are no more sensitive about Palin than the other side is about Obama.
It is not personal for me either. I'm sure Obama is a nice person...and I am personally sure he is not the right man for the #1 job. He has a socialist agenda and socialist policies and I think that would be disastrous for America. That in a nutshell is my problem with him.
She's threatened by a strong woman, that's why.
How typical of women. To call each other 'stupid' and get catty and snipy at the thought of a woman getting farther ahead than the rest of the pack.
Palin is doing a fine job of governor. Do you think YOU could handle that? I doubt it. You sound more like the sit-in-her-kitchen-and-paint-vegetables type of gal. Yeah, I'm sure that takes a MENSA brain.
Pathetic.
Little.
Loser.
If this country is to remain strong, we need to
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Right..and without strong National Security, the
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Them's strong words Mr Dean!
John Dean on MSNBC: Dik Cheney may be guilty of "murder"
Investigative reporter Seymour Hershs bombshell earlier this week that Vice President Dik Cheney controlled an executive assassination ring continues to reverberate throughout Washington, with Nixon aide John Dean going so far as to accuse the former VP of murder if the charges are true.
Went to a tea party yesterday of 11,000 strong.
What an event! Gives me hope that there are still plenty of us in this country who are not afraid to stand up and be counted.
Wow! I just love being called a "rich" person funded by Fox News as the only participants as CNN would have you believe who would show up. My tea party was strictly grass roots, funded by $5.00 contributions, not an event hosted by George Soros at $1500 or more a head.
I'm an MT. I sure as heck ain't rich. I work for a living, and I don't want to pay for your mortgage, your education, your health care, or helping your fanny reduce your carbon imprint. I want my grandchildren to have all the opportunities I have had in living in this country with the rights to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.
I'm going to D.C. on July 4th. I love my country. I'm standing up. How about you?
It's time to take our country back and give the boot to Onuto.
Playing dumb is not your strong suit. nm
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Better post below. "Economics not strong suit." (JM)
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I am proud of strong, intelligent women... sm
Expressing their opinion and speaking out. Just because they're not infatuated with SP and disagree with her idealogy doesn't mean what they're saying is hateful. I've seen much more hateful things here on this board than on that blog.
You (and a lot of people) seem to be taking any negative comments about SP very personally. Is there no critism of her you'll stand? Come on. McCain wants her to be the VP and no one who thinks otherwise can say anything about her w/o it being "hateful" ? How ridiculous.
I don't agree with her views on the issues. It's not personal. I'm sure she's a lovely person, I'm just not convinced she's the best person for the job. In a nutshell, that is my problem with McCain's choice of her for his VP.
Economy is strong according to McCain today....sm
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/15/mccain-defends-economy-comments/#comments
Please people think twice about voting for this OUT OF TOUCH man!!!
Could he have picked a worse day to say this. Major companies going bankrupt, record unemployment rates, retirement nest egg going down the drain, gas at $5.00 a gallon, energy costs rising, groceries through the roof....on and on....
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH...This man doesn't know a bad economy if it slapped him in the face.
What, a strong, conservative woman scares you?
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I'd venture to guess a strong majority, just like the ones
You seem to be a bit hostile toward popular mandate, majority rule and other such precepts on which our countr wsa founded.
Me, sexist? That's laughable, being a very strong independent woman myself, but
I am afraid of a woman who has some sort of God complex and has nothing to lose. We should all be very afraid by somebody like that!
Poor man
That poor man, what he went through..I dont know how he survived.
The poor just need to die, right?
I don't know where you live, but where I live, you are better off working. Clinton cut welfare down to a pittance - 40 hr work week for $123 per week. Kids get Medicaid. Ah, can't forget the food stamps - must begrudge these sloths food!
In Nazi Germany, the Jews cooperated in their own destruction; the Nazis found a form of defection that looked to desperate Jews like cooperation, and they boarded the cattle cars. The message of the Contract Republicans seems also to be that the only cooperation we seek from the desperately poor is that they vanish. The message is that we do not care how they do it: die, leave or metamorphose into something else; just don't disturb us on your way out.
I know what it's like to be poor.....
I know what it's like to consider paper towels a luxury. Where Banquet salsbury steak, macaroni and cheese, hotdogs, rice and oatmeal was all I could afford to eat. I see that again in my immediate future due to job loss and illness in my family. If I'm in that 30%? So be it. We'll make it. We always have. I just refuse to worry about it.
Poor kid, he is confused, isn't he?
Poor people are not the only ones
so blaming obesity on the left IS the joke. Rush isn't poor is he? What about Cheney and Rove? I am well aware of the report he was referring to (I read it too) but describing *bloated tummies* and Unicef is sick and I don't see how anyone can call it satire. Further, what difference would it make if the link worked? You jumped to his defense without even knowing what the article said.
Poor Hillary
So Bill is now coming out saying people are picking on Hillary.
Oh the poor baby. Wasn't she the one who said "If you can't stand the heat....."
Whether I like her or not is besides the point. This is an election and Bill & Hillary need to realize if you want to win you have to work towards it. It's not going to be handed to you.
Yes, I realize she is working hard, but so is Barack Obama. Do you hear him crying when she makes a racial statement about him about how nobody "white" is going to vote for him?
Grow up Bill & Hillary!
And a poor one at that. It bombed.
Poor Judgment
Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".
It was the OP who said poor were unintelligent, not me....
I was quoting her. It is ridiculous to state something like that. The best people I know never went past high school and are the smartest people, rich in common sense, I ever hope to meet. Sometimes the best knowledge does NOT come from a book.
Your grampa and hootsy comment is just nasty. I have heard every debate, I watch Obama every time he is on the tube, and he is the master at dodging questions. He never gave an interview to anyone who would ask him hard questions until last month and he has been at this for a year and a half. But you never hear Obama followers say that. Because whatever he says, even if it is beating around the bush, he says the magic words I will punish the rich and give all of you in the middle class a tax cut...and that is all they want to hear. Democrats have been saying that same old stuff for years...when in the past were you much better off than you are right now?
I am actually better off financially now than I ever have been. I have survived both Republican and Democrat administrations and just worked my way up to where I am. I am not rich, but I am comfortable. And Obama is intent on taking that away from me. Don't expect me to be happy he is doing it, or that you are helping him do it. lol.
Have you always been this hateful toward the poor?
such hostility toward the working class you so strongly assert to be defending is dead-end dialog. That 95% IS the "working class", as you call them. I prefer the term income earners. If you had any clue about the true state of this economy, you would realize that not only is the 95% tax cut feasible, it is exactly what we need and it will be coming at exactly the right time when we all need it the most.
I do not live in a universe where taxpayers line up and bend over while they bail out corporate welfare deadbeats and turn a blind eye on themselves and their children. It must be a very dark world you come from where you seem to thrive on the energy it takes to sustain such hatred in your heart for the poor. My sympathies.
Poor is subjective
My mother made less than 10 an hour, raised two children on her own, managed to pay a house note (the house was falling apart but it was ours), pay for a piece of an automobile to get her back and forth to work. We didn't have anything to speak of, but she never took a penny from the government. She wasn't raised that way and it hurts her to this day to watch all those that now live in her neighborhood on HUD, paying as little as they can get by with, when they still bring in more than her.
Her total income for the year is LESS than 12 thousand a year and she still manages to pay her bills. But those neighbors manage to get all the freebies and extras courtesy of my mom while she watches the nice cars in front of their HUD houses, which she can't afford, nice clothes they wear, jewelry hanging all off their necks and arms. Their kids are walking around with EXPENSIVE clothes on their butts and walk the streets up and down, up and down all day long. They are LAZY. THey have been raised to be LAZY. In this day and time it is sad to know there are those adults out there that continue to raise their children to believe they are "entitled". So very sad.
In these cases, they are not poor, but the government would consider them "poor", even though they have more than my mother, who can't get help at all. Now you figure that one out.
And, the one who gets the HUD house lets everybody and his brother live with them, free of charge of course, so it's like one big 'ole party all the time....music blaring, sick disgusting rap crap, throw their trash in the streets, filthy mouthed. It's sickening.
Poor doesn't always equate with lazy. You're right and I hope your daughter can do better somehow. Her husband should be forced to pay for his child and his fair share and she would not have this problem.
Maybe she should get in touch with all those neighbors around my mom. I'm sure they know the system so well they can tell how her to manipulate the system to get whatever she wants.
Poor Joe the Plumber is going to have
to worry about paying taxes. Turns out he doesn't have a plumber's license nor does his employer which is required by the county. No license, no work, no taxes. Poor Joe.
Isn't the poor the ones that get the welfare now?
So what's your complaint? You think they need more? Fine, give them everything you have and we'll call it a day!
They are both in very, very poor taste and should be
taken down. It is truly amazing what some people will do.
That poor man wasn't even...
...technically an "employee." He was a temp, so I guess he wouldn't even get life the insurance benefits that an employee might get.  
I hear how the poor are
tumors living off the lifeblood of hardworking Americans. Throw all the immigrants out. But, you berate a woman, who out of obvious desperation poisons herself, because she cannot see her way out of pregnancy. Talk about double standards. You probably support the death penalty, too.
Poor baby...(sm)
Using the term "teabaggers" is rude? I shouldn't ridicule others with different beliefs? Give me a break. You guys have consistently ridiculed anyone who agrees with Obama time and time again on this board, as well as those who just don't agree with you. Rude? How about Kool-Aid drinkers, Obamatrons.....you know the list.
The problem with you is that you can dish it out but can't take it. If you plan on teabagging effectively you might want to consider growing a pair. 
Excuse me if I'm not sympathetic to those poor,
And talk about moral values! To be more concerned about the profits of a drug company and the fear that the government might "strong arm" them into possibly SAVING THE POPULATION OF AN ENTIRE COUNTRY in a time of WAR is absolutely shameless and reflects a total lack of values.
But that IS the "red" way of thinking, isn't it? Big business must always come first.
Conservatives don't care about the poor...
NOT!
America and the Poor... |
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America and the poor, that is the subject of this evening's Talking Points Memo.
The aftermath of Katrina has produced a debate over poor Americans. There are about 37 million people living below the poverty line right now. The issue was described this way by Newsweek (search) reporter Evan Thomas (search), a liberal guy but not alone, who writes, Liberals will say [the authorities] were indifferent to the plight of poor African-Americans. It is true that Katrina laid bare society's massive neglect of its least fortunate.
Massive neglect? Let's take a look at that bit of overstatement. Halfway through President Clinton's tenure in office in 1996, the poverty rate was 13.7 percent. Halfway through President Bush's tenure, the rate is 12.7 percent, a full point lower.
In 1996, the Clinton budget allotted $191 billion for poverty entitlements. That was 12.2 percent of the budget and a whopping amount of money. That's why Bill Clinton (search) was called the first black president by some.
However, the Bush 2006 budget allots a record shattering $368 billion for poverty entitlements, 14.6 percent of the entire budget, a huge increase over Clinton's spending on poverty entitlements.
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So sad..we need a foreign leader to help our poor
Venezuelan heating oil will be distributed to poor
U.S. communities via the
Venezuelan-owned oil company Citgo.
Credit: Venezuelanalysis.com
<http://Venezuelanalysis.com>
Caracas, Venezuela, November 18, 2005The
Venezuelan-owned and
U.S.-basedfuel refiner and distributor Citgo will
begin distributing discounted heating oil to poor U.S.
communities next week. Rafael Ramirez, Venezuela's
Minister of Energy and Petroleum, made the
announcement yesterday, saying that the measure is
meant to show Venezuela's commitment to disadvantaged
sectors in the United States.
Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez had originally
announced the measure last August, while the U.S.
civil rights activist Jesse Jackson was visiting
Venezuela.
The launch of the discounted heating oil program is
meant to coincide with the Thanksgiving holiday and
will benefit communities in poor communities of
Boston, Massachusetts and of the Bronx, New York.
The first phase of the program will begin in Boston
and will provide 4.5million liters (1.2 million
gallons) of heating oil at discounted rates, which
will mean a savings of approximately $10 million.
According to the Venezuelan government, the discounts
will be achieved by eliminating middle-men and
having Citgo deliver the heating oil directly to the
communities.
Accordingly, the plan does not involve any losses to
Citgo itself.
The logistics of the plan will involve non-profit
community organizations, which will help with the
selection of beneficiaries, distribution, and billing.
Heating oil costs are expected to reach historical
heights this year, which means that many poor
households might have to go without heat, despite
limited state programs to subsidize heating oil for
low-income
families.
Citgo is a wholly owned subsidiary of Venezuela's
state-owned oil company PDVSA and operates five
refineries and licenses 14,000 gas stations throughout
the U.S.
I can hardly think of a poor man who ever ran for president. Lincoln maybe.
My Republican values are just as strong as they ever were. But I have been disappointed in President Bush at times. I will stick with him though. But not without question.
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