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Blame the victims

Posted By: gt on 2005-09-01
In Reply to: They're trying to help but they being SHOT AT - Reality Check

So...lets just blame the victims, the ones who live in New Orleans..OMG..Put the blame where it belongs, on the federal govt for cutting funds to shore up the levees..and who was in control at that time.....BUSH..he needed the money for the rich peoples tax cuts and the insane war.


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Do you also blame victims of crime and
inciting the crimes perpetrated against them. Yours is truly an ignorant, ignorant statement.
Don't blame Obama for the coins...blame the Franklin Mint!
The Franklin Mint has an entire series of presidential coins that are tacky and cheap looking just like everything else they manufacture.
Let's blame Clinton...Let's blame Obama.
The FACT is that Bush BECAME prez on 01/20/01.  He was told by Clinton to beware!!  It was Bush's duty to know, to care what was going on.... the FACT is he didn't give a rat's patooty!!!  FACT is he was on vacation most of his first 7 months in office.  The FACT is he stared into space for 7 minutes after being told America was under attack while kindergarteners were reading "MY PET GOAT."  I am so sick of the LIES you people want to ram down my throat.  And when Obama takes office, God-willing, I am positive he will be under a microscope like NO president has ever been as there is a different standard set for him and never has a president-elect undergone so much criticisizm BEFORE taking office. 
I actually think that Katrina victims have gotten...
more than enough compassion. Having just moved from the Mississippi Gulf Coast, where the hurricane hit the hardest, by the way, not New Orleans, I have seen people milk this hurricane for all it's worth. It has been 3 years, for goodness sake. Don't whine because they are taking away your FEMA trailer--and some people steal them--get a freakin job already! Also, I would be so upset if my husband had to risk his life as a first responder to help people that should not have been there in the first place. They were told to leave and even given transportation, but many chose not to. I can understand those who are handicapped or very old, but able bodied, non-working, wefare begging young people make me angry and, no, I do not think that they deserve any more compassion. Every one of them can come up with enough money for several packs of cigarettes a week, but can't feed their kids or find a place to live on their own. It is a real problem.
These are fallen soldiers not WTC victims

And the why is pretty clear.  By the way, this was addressed to Liberals who definitely understand and appreciate the ***why***


I am remembered the 911 victims today by
having the TV on and observing the moments of silence at the times of the attack. Also the new memorial at the Pentagon was dedicated. It looks beautiful. I hope the families can find some peace when they go there. I also put out 7 small American Flags to represent the 7 years. I also am going to try to see the lights from where the World Trade Towers stood. I live in Northern NJ. I have a hill by my home and you can actually see the city on a clear day. We will never forget.
That's how I feel. How dare the victims be judged.sm
while we sit cumfy in front of our PCs and eat popcorn. That kind of stuff makes me SICK!


Just hope the victims are the gun-totin' kinds that
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911 and Katrina victims don't deserve compassion?
Wow....Oh that's right...he's on Fixed Noise.  That means he must be the perfect pub.  Get a grip.  The man's a radical right winger just like the rest of the crew over there.
911 and Katrina victims don't deserve compassion?
Wow....Oh that's right...he's on Fixed Noise.  That means he must be the perfect pub.  Get a grip.  The man's a radical right winger just like the rest of the crew over there, which is the why, by the way, he got kicked off CNN.  Hopefully Lou Dobbs will be next. 
You will all be back., drama queens, seeing yourself as victims...nm
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Cindy isn't interested in helping the victims down there. She's just mad they are stealing
her thunder.  Hopefully, she will be relegated to the pathetic pawn that she is and real news of real importance will come back to the world.  Every time she speaks, she puts our troops in danger.  The troops even said so, but she is too far gone to listen to the troops. They are all brainwashed.
All Katrina victims need is a tape of the Bible (since many of them can't read anyway) so they ca

From http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0905/relief.html


(My personal favorite part of this whole thing is the *trademark* sign next to *True Christians*)


Help Us Send Bibles to the Victims of Hurricane Katrina!

Faith-Based Response

Freehold, Iowa - Landover Baptist Church members have been glued to their television sets for the last few weeks, watching survivors of God's powerful hurricane (named Katrina by secular meteorologists) try to make sense of their ravaged lives. When you live in an area of the world God despises, and He gets ready to blow it off the map, you'd best duck low or high tail it out of town, says Pastor Deacon Fred. The Bible teaches us that when it comes to wiping out sinners, God has a history of having some pretty bad aim. This time I understand He knocked down a few church steeples and even took some good Christian folks back home with Him to Jesus. 


What saddens members of the Landover Baptist community the most however, is that the unsaved world is hell-bent on doling out artificial optimism to the victims of God's latest attack.  They are providing food, money, gasoline, and shelter, says Pastor Deacon Fred. These are temporary gifts that give these poor lost people a false hope!  The only real hope comes from the Word of God!  The Holy Bible! These folks need to get fed and sheltered on the Word of God.  We daresn't open our doors to the homeless, because we know it never gets at the real source of their problem, and we always end up with dirty floors. 


How are the lost of Katrina going to understand why God did this to them if they don't have a Bible to read? says Pastor Deacon Fred. How are they ever going to be able to prevent it from happening to them again, if they are not able to study the Word of God?  Through the Bible, history teaches us that God has serious issues with large cities that condone prostitution, abortion, homosexuality, mixing of the races, sexual promiscuity, drunkenness, idol worship, practicing false religions (voodoo), and loud pulsing music. Some of them folks in New Orleans, were luckier than Lot's wife though - they stayed behind even though they received the message to get out, and God spared their lives.


It is understandable that the survivors of God's hurricane are confused, starving, homeless, and distraught - but as True Christians™ we know without a doubt in our hearts, that giving them food and shelter is not going to solve the biggest and only real problem in their lives. In fact, it will turn them into beggars and make their misery even worse.  The issue that caused their condition is not an earthly condition at all.  We know that it is an eternal condition, and there is only one sweet balm to soothe a lost soul who has no respect for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.   And that is getting a Holy Bible KJV 1611 into their hands. From what I've seen of these survivors, I doubt many of them know how to read, so we will be sending Bibles on tape for them as well, says Pastor Deacon Fred. They can play the Bible tapes on the boom boxes it looks like they made it a priority to salvage or loot.  


Landover Baptist's effort to assist in providing Bibles to victims of Hurricane Katrina is known as a, faith-based response. It is our heartfelt hope that some worthwhile people might be saved from a destruction much more powerful than God's hurricanes - for they are but a precursor to what is really going to happen on that great and glorious day when He finally gets so ticked-off He just blows up the whole world.


So help us by sending a spiritual relief offering of no less than $100 (we do not accept checks, so please send cash, or money order) to:


BIBLES FOR HURRICANE VICTIMS
Landover Baptist Ministries
777 Soulwinner's Lane
Freehold, Iowa


If you are paying by credit card, please address your payment to:
Wexler Offshore Holdings - Care of Landover Baptist Ministries


What Will Be Done With My Faith Based Response Donation?


Each $100 gift will absorb the cost of printing and recording *Bibles, and packaging. 


Care packages to New Orleans flood victims will include the following:



  • 1 King James 1611 Bible or Bible on Tape
  • 1 Chick Tract (Assorted)
  • 1 Self Addressed Stamped Envelope
  • A small insert containing instructions on where to send a financial love offering of thanks to the Landover Baptist Church once the recipient of the care package gets back on their feet and receives their first paycheck.  

*Disclaimer:  If Landover Baptist receives reports that hurricane victims are using the pages of our Bibles are for hygienic purposes, such as toilet paper, we reserve the right to end this faith-based response effort immediately. 


I agree. I am helping the victims with all the financial support I can spare BUT
if we don't ask the question what happened to the levees, what can we do to make sure this doesn't happen again, where did the funding go? then we will find ourselves in the same position again. We can not afford to be policing other countries when the funding is bankrupt for our own needs. That's just the truth.

FEMA needs a major overhaul...Doctor says FEMA ordered him to stop treating hurricane victims.
Doctor says FEMA ordered him to stop treating hurricane victims



In the midst of administering chest compressions to a dying woman several days after Hurricane Katrina struck, Dr. Mark N. Perlmutter was ordered to stop by a federal official because he wasn't registered with the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

I begged him to let me continue, said Perlmutter, who left his home and practice as an orthopedic surgeon in Pennsylvania to come to Louisiana and volunteer to care for hurricane victims. People were dying, and I was the only doctor on the tarmac (at the Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport) where scores of nonresponsive patients lay on stretchers. Two patients died in front of me.

I showed him (the U.S. Coast Guard official in charge) my medical credentials. I had tried to get through to FEMA for 12 hours the day before and finally gave up. I asked him to let me stay until I was replaced by another doctor, but he refused. He said he was afraid of being sued. I informed him about the Good Samaritan laws and asked him if he was willing to let people die so the government wouldn't be sued, but he would not back down. I had to leave.

FEMA issued a formal response to Perlmutter's story, acknowledging that the agency does not use voluntary physicians.

We have a cadre of physicians of our own, FEMA spokesman Kim Pease said Thursday. They are the National Disaster Medical Team. ... The voluntary doctor was not a credentialed FEMA physician and, thus, was subject to law enforcement rules in a disaster area.






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A Coast Guard spokesman said he was looking into the incident but was not able to confirm it.

Perlmutter, Dr. Clark Gerhart and medical student Alison Torrens flew into Baton Rouge on a private jet loaned by a Pennsylvania businessman several days after Katrina hit. They brought medicine and supplies with them. They stayed the first night in Baton Rouge and persuaded an Army Blackhawk helicopter pilot to fly them into New Orleans the next day.

I was going to make it happen, the orthopedic surgeon said. I was at Ground Zero too, and I had to lie to get in there.

At the triage area in the New Orleans airport, Perlmutter was successful in getting FEMA to accept the insulin and morphine he had brought. The pharmacist told us they were completely out of insulin and our donation would save numerous lives. Still, I felt we were the most-valuable resource, and we were sent away.

Gerhart said the scene they confronted at the airport was one of hundreds of people lying on the ground, many soaked in their own urine and feces, some coding (dying) before our eyes. FEMA workers initially seemed glad for help and asked Gerhart to work inside the terminal and Perlmutter to work out on the tarmac. They were told only a single obstetrician had been on call at the site for the past 24 hours.

Then, the Coast Guard official informed the group that he could not credential them or guarantee tort coverage and that they should return to Baton Rouge. That shocked me, that those would be his concerns in a time of emergency, Gerhart said.

Transported back to Baton Rouge, Perlmutter's frustrated group went to state health officials who finally got them certified -- a simple process that took only a few seconds.

I found numerous other doctors in Baton Rouge waiting to be assigned and others who were sent away, and there was no shortage of need, he said.

Perlmutter spent some time at the Department of Health and Hospital's operational center at Jimmy Swaggart Ministries before moving to the makeshift Kmart Hospital doctors established at an abandoned store to care for patients. After organizing an orthopedics room and setting up ventilators there, Perlmutter went back to the Swaggart Center and then to the LSU Pete Maravich Assembly Center's field hospital to care for patients being flown in from the New Orleans area.

We saw elderly patients who had been off their medicine for days, diabetics without insulin going into shock, uncontrolled hypertension, patients with psychosis and other mental disorders, lots of diarrhea, dehydration and things you would expect. I slept on a patient cot there every night until I came home.

Gerhart said he felt the experience overall was successful and rewarding, although frustrating at times. You don't expect catastrophes to be well organized. A lot of people, both private citizens and government officials, were working very hard.

Perlmutter did not return home empty-handed. He brought a family of four evacuees back with him and is still working with Baton Rouge volunteer Hollis Barry to facilitate the relocation of additional hurricane victims to Pennsylvania.

He also returned with a sense of outrage. I have been trying to call Sen. Arlen Specter (of Pennsylvania) to let him know of our experience.

I have been going to Ecuador and Mexico (on medical missions) for 14 years. I was at ground zero. I've seen hundreds of people die. This was different because we knew the hurricane was coming. FEMA showed up late and then rejected help for the sake of organization. They put form before function, and people died.

Both FEMA and the Coast Guard operate under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, which has been widely criticized for its disjointed, slow response to the devastation caused by Katrina. Federal officials are urging medical personnel who want to volunteer to help with disaster relief to contact the Medical Reserve Corps or the American Red Cross for registration, training and organization.


Just because they're LOSING doesn't mean they're VICTIMS.
What is it with people these days? You think that just because Hamas is getting its fanny handed to it that that magically makes them victims, and we should all weep and throw cash at them?

From the dawn of time, lesser civilizations have fallen to stronger ones.

It's why the human species survived and the neanderthals didn't.

It's why Rome conquered the Celts.

It's why the Barbarians conquered the Western Roman Empire.

It's why the British conquered the American Indians.

It's why the Spanish conquered the Aztecs.

It's why the Muslims conquered Israel the first time. But, since their societal progres seems to have permanently parked in the Stone Age, now Israel is conquering them right back.

Deal with it.
blame
September 1, 2005
Conservatives Helped This Happen
by Dan Pashman, Senior Producer,  Morning Sedition


As terrible as it is, this attack could be miniscule if,  in fact, God
continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies  of  America  to
give us probably what we deserve. The ACLU's got to take a lot  of the
blame for this…The abortionists have got to bear some of the burden for
this because God will not be mocked…I really believe that  the pagans,
and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays  and the
lesbians…all of them who have tried to secularize America,  I point the
finger in their face and say, 'you helped this happen.'
  - Rev. Jerry Falwell, September 13, 2001

Who can forget Jerry Falwell's infamous post-9/11 indictment of
America?  'You helped this happen,' Falwell said to the majority of
Americans,  who disagree with him on a majority of issues.

Now, a conservative group called Columbia Christians for Life has
proclaimed that Hurricane Katrina was another one of God's punishments,
  citing as evidence the supposed resemblance between the hurricane's 
image on a weather map, and a fetus.

Trying to refute such claims from these zealots is truly an exercise in
futility. But searching for explanations after a disaster of Katrina's 
magnitude is not. And if you do in fact search for those explanations, 
you'll reach an unavoidable conclusion:

Hurricane Katrina may have been an act of God. But the level of death 
and destruction it caused was not. That was an act of conservatism.

It is conservative policies that made this natural disaster unnaturally
  catastrophic. I say to conservatives, you have blood on your hands 
today. I point the finger in your face and say, You helped this
happen.

Conservative policies have led to an increase in poverty across the
nation, especially in New Orleans, one of the poorest major cities  in
America. About 150,000 people in New Orleans lived below the poverty 
line before Katrina, 100,000 of them in abject poverty, making less 
than $8,000 a year. Their poverty left them with nowhere to go, and  no
means of escape, as the hurricane bore down on their homes.

Conservative policies have led to more global warming, which scientists
  agree has already begun producing more intense hurricanes and storms. 
Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, a former Republican Party Chairman 
and longtime GOP operative, has seen his own state ravaged by Katrina. 
But he was vital in helping to convince the Bush administration to 
squash the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, and pushed Bush to go 
back on his campaign promise to regulate carbon dioxide. Governor
Barbour  would dare express grief over the deaths that he himself
enabled.

Conservative policies have led to a war in Iraq based on lies, and tax
cuts for the rich, both of which, we know for a fact, took money
directly away from vital hurricane preparedness work in New Orleans. 
On nine occasions in 2004 and 2005, The New Orleans Times-Picayune
specifically  cited the cost of the Iraq War as a reason for the
shortfall in hurricane-  and flood-control funds. The levees that gave
way under  Katrina's pressure were supposed to be upgraded with money
that ended  up in Halliburton’s coffers.

Conservative policies have also led to the National Guard's misuse and
abuse, leaving the Gulf Coast without the personnel and equipment 
vital to a recovery effort of this magnitude. More people will die  on
the Gulf Coast as they await their would-be saviors, who are in  Iraq,
victims themselves of conservative policies.

There can be no doubt that while Hurricane Katrina was not preventable,
  much of the death and destruction left in its wake was. I say to
conservatives,  you have blood on your hands today. I point the finger
in your face  and say, You helped this happen.

Blame must go somewhere.
So you put it solely on the poor themselves? More people in this country are slipping into poverty every day - whole families of them, fathers included. That was a good thoughtful post and I thank you for writing it but hope you will take a moment to consider another side.

While throwing money at a problem is not guaranteed to fix it, one thing is for sure - throwing billions to the already obscenely rich is sure as heck not going to fix the root cause of any social disorder.

If we want to really get to the root cause of poverty in our society (which I agree is a good idea) we must not exclude the role that capitalism itself plays in not only producing a permanently disadvantaged underclass, but also in keeping it that way. A fair and impartial look at our laws and operating procedures is enough to convince anyone that things are just the way the movers and shakers want them to be. And, you are correct that only the very most motivated and exceptionally gifted will make it out of the morass. That's also the way it's supposed to be, father or no father. Social Darwinism - the cream rises.

Trouble is, we can't all be the cream. It's unreasonable to expect that of everyone. But this is the society that free market capitalism builds. It's going to get worse, too. The next step is a bonding of purpose between the corporate oligarchy and the government itself, and the next step after that is a military police state run by those who consider themselves the cream - in other words, just another banana republic, the very antithesis of what America should be.

Now I don't know about you but I don't think this is the direction America should take and I don't think for a minute it's the result of poor kids having no fathers. That may leave them more vulnerable and more easily manipulated, but it's hardly on their backs. Everyone who's not the cream is victimized in the kind of society that values money and power above everything else.

Right now there are billions upon billions of dollars being handed over not to the poor but to that handful of defense corporations powerful enough to rub elbows with Bush and his cronies. That is where America's money is going and that's where it's going to continue to go as long as we support a government that delights in making itself and its friends wealthy at the expense of everyone else in America.


You know what and who is to blame, don't you?
Deregulation schemes ala John McCain, George Bush, and the Republican Party.

Doesn't that make you and your husband the least bit interested in trying to help change this dire economic situation by changing parties?

If McCain is elected, there is no doubt in my mind that this country will see another great depression, possibly worse than the one that began in 1929.

Heaven help us all!
Yes....who's to blame....sm
The liberal democrats in congress, lining their pockets with kickbacks from all the big financial institutions, and looking the other way, forcing the banks to take the no doc loans.

Obama and Biden taking bribes, and lining their pockets, and Bill Clinton sending all his old cronies to run FM/FM, with absolutely no financial background, to run it into the ground.

Pres. Bush had actually tried to help this situation a few years back, and guess what? Harry Reid and other dems blocked his attempts.

They now completely blame George Bush. Granted, perhaps some of the blame could lay with him, because he should have been powerful enough to get something like this done.

But he made a fatal error. He tried to reach across the aisle, and put dems in charge of certain committes, and such, and all they did was stab him in the back, and make him ineffectual. So much for the dems reaching across the aisle. Their sole purpose for the past two years has been in making Bush look bad. No one can deny it.

So look to your own party. It ain't pretty.
blame
I havent blamed Obama.  I agree the McC camp has stirred up the heat a bit with the socialism, marxists and terrorists comments.  However, I feel that Obama is responsible for his supporters to a point and being that he is very influential over his following, he should be speaking out about peace and trying to let people know that racial bad behavior of any kind is not condoned. 
There's nothing to blame him for
HE is the one that has had his life threatened.  If anything, the McCain camp should be speaking out against this.  I agree with Keith Olberman.  McCain should have come out immediately against that volunteer of his with her bogus accusations of being attacked by a big black man.  Give me a break!  He has done nothing but put these fears into people that don't know any better, and I do hold him responsible for a lot of this.  In my eyes, he is nothing but evil.
So you are going to blame....
this whole thing on a man who hasn't even been sworn in yet?  May I borrow your crystal ball?
I believe that the blame goes

to both government and the automakers.  For them to pay skilled trades a buttload of money and allow them to sit and do nothing and then retire at age 50 and live off of GM isn't right.  That is GM's fault for allowing that happen.  As for making big trucks and SUVs....it was what the people wanted at that time.  That really wasn't a huge concern until gas prices started to skyrocket.  They were making what they thought people wanted.  They couldn't predict that gas would skyrocket like it did and the economy would collapse like it has.


and some of the blame goes to...
us. the American people, those who did not support industry in the US. rush out and buy those foreign cars. it may be cheaper in the short term but in the long run....no way, it will kill us all. Can't see the forest through the trees. Geez louise. Complain about losing jobs in the US and jobs from US going overseas and then buy foreign products instead of American made and what do you expect. Do you realize the far-reaching implications of the auto industry going bust???? All the suppliers affected. And all the money that would be earned by the by those millions of people who will now be earning, and thus spending, nothing. That is all money that would be supporting every other business. you can put blame anywhere you want but we all deserve some of it for destroying our own economy.
Then how can you sit and try to blame
on President Bush? You have tuned him out and ignored him since 2000, you never tried to give him a chance. Luckily, you were not in one of those towers or on one of those airplanes on 9/11. Whether you like it or not, you are still safe, so far, from those terrorists.

I will not be answering any snide, disrespectful comebacks about our president. No matter what has happened, he has earned our respect. I personally am thankful to have had a man who never had a problem over whether or not to say *so help me God.*
Can you blame her?
Who knows where those lips have been? LOL!
We cannot blame everything

on the past 8 years.  Granted, the past 8 years weren't the greatest and some major mistakes were made, but there were some things that were going on during prior presidencies that lead to this.  The problem was that no one stopped it once it got started and it just snowballed.  Now we have Obama in the office and we are still snowballing.  If you want to place blame, you need to go back further than Bush and include some others as well.  Now it is Obama's turn and we need to keep our eye on him because he continues to spend spend spend!!!!!  Yeah....that worked out so well in the past 8 years huh......


Well, of course you do, because it's something else to blame Bush for. nm

Bush really is to blame for everything

including natural disasters and including the fact that people built a city below sea level with water on all sides and was told that anything over a Cat 3 storm would wipe out the city.  The city failed in adequately planning to evacuate the people in case of such an emergency.   While I'm absolutely heartbroken to what is happening to people there, especially those who couldn't evacuate themselves the city has been told this would happen for years.  Even if Bush had not cut some funds to the area adequate plans would have still not been in place.  Everyone has said at one time or another that New Orleans was a disaster waiting for a Cat 4 or higher storm to happen.  You can pin this on Bush like you do everything else that happens in this world, but Bush is hardly to blame for the devastation.  Finger pointing does no good at this point.  We all must dig deep and do what we can do for those in New Orleans.  Arguing the political aspects of this disaster will not hydrate one dehydrated baby or feed one hungry person or build one adequate shelter.  


My advice to everyone is to step away from your computer, go buy some non-perishable items and get it to a relief point tomorrow.


dont blame me
Once again surmising about someone on a teeny weeny board.  I would never do that, LOL.  I would hope you are all good people with a different ideology, that is all, and hopefully one day we could understand each other a bit..but once again, attacking, on the liberal board no less.  Please dont attack the messenger, figure out why it all happened and make sure those responsible are held to task.  That is what Im trying to do, get the facts of it all.  If the things I am posting seem to all be attacking Bush, these are articles in the last few days papers, many papers.  They are the ones questioning what the heck is happening down on the gulf and, in turn, so am I.  You dont know anything about me and what I do to help others..Politicizing a tragedy?  No.  Looking at why it happened and what America could have done to have made it not so bad, yes.  That is something our govt has to do.  Who is at fault.  Not for the hurricane, of course, but the levees collapsing, the aid not getting to the unfortunate ones, the money that should have been given to New Orleans but went to war instead, even though Bush was still giving out tax breaks to *his class of people*, the super rich.
You should have stopped at *I blame.* sm
Figures that someone giving a pep talk would turn you off.  Might take the edge off that HATRED and RAGE.  You are beginning to look more and more like the crowds who are looting, raping and shooting, out of control, full of a sense of entitlement and more than a little full of hysterical rage. 
All you can do is the blame game. Then you better
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If they don't like the message, they blame the
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If you want to blame someone for your 401K,
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Well of course they will......you think they gonna blame
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You can blame those that tried to live beyond their
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This is where I blame ACORN

I think registered voters should have to prove their knowledge on the matters at hand prior to voting.  Just a 5 or 10-question test to make sure they know their candidate's policies. 


Do we really want our "welfare" society to determine our next President?  That's what ACORN is making sure will happen.


I don't think you can blame in on either candidate (sm)
It is merely by virtue of the fact that they are different races that the the hidden racism in our country has risen up to such extremes, in both directions. It has become a battle of the races. It is almost a matter of pride at this point. And pride is the root of so many bad things.
I am no fan but I blame her handlers
for that one. Didn't anybody screen the call or verify that Sarkozy would be calling?
Why are u putting blame elsewhere.
I hate to say it, but could be because he is black or arab african.
moving this from below...some of the blame
I posted this below but will say it again.

some of the blame here has to go to the American people, those who did not support industry in the US. Rush out and buy those foreign cars. it may be cheaper in the short term but in the long run....no way, it will kill us all. Can't you all see the forest through the trees. Geez louise. Complain about losing jobs in the US, complain about American businesses failing and jobs from US going overseas and then buy foreign products instead of American made and what do you expect. Do you realize the far-reaching implications of the auto industry going bust???? All the suppliers affected. And all the money that would be earned by those millions of people who will now be earning, and thus spending, nothing. That is all money that would be supporting every other business, including ours as all of those people will also lose their health benefits and seeking less medical care thus less work and less profit for us. You can put blame anywhere you want but we all deserve some of it for destroying our own economy.
Yep, that's right. I also blame THE CURRENT
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There is plenty of blame to go around...
However, Bill Clinton is not trying to rewrite history and take credit for keeping the United States safe since 9/11.
blame your state

Many people were confined against their will just because someone wanted them "out of the way." These were normal people with no mental illness - that is why it is so difficult - don't blame the liberals. Blame your state.



CONFINING THE MENTALLY ILL


In the legal space between what a society should and should not do, taking action to restrict the liberty of people who are mentally ill sits in the grayest of gray areas.

Our notions about civil and constitutional rights flow from an assumption of "normalcy." Step beyond the boundaries and arrest and prison may legally follow. Short of that, government's ability to hold people against their will is severely and properly limited. Unusual behavior on the part of someone who is mentally ill is not illegal behavior. Freedom can't be snatched away on a whim, or on the thought that a person is hard to look at, hard to hear, hard to smell.

It was only a few decades ago that the promise of new medications and a change in attitude opened the doors of the mental hospitals and sent many patients into society. There, they would somehow "normalize" and join everyone else, supported by networks of out-patient facilities, job training, special living arrangements and regular, appropriate medication. But the transition has been imperfect, long and difficult.

In some parts of urban America there is little professional support for those with mental health problems. A new generation of drug and alcohol-fueled mental illness has come on the scene. People frequently end up on the street, un-medicated and exhibiting a full range of behaviors that are discomforting at the very least and threatening at their worst.


Oh sure, blame it on the justice.
to finish is sentence for the O to repeat it. Gee whiz. Blame Bush for everything and now blame other people instead of O?
We cant blame Bush?
Yes we can, yes we can. Have you not heard that one before? I see no reason to stop now.
I did not say it was right - I said you can't blame O for a tradition -
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I don't believe I said that Bill was to blame
for everything.  I think many many people are partly to blame for this whole mess including Bush and now I'm watching to see what Obama does and whether or not it helps us or screws us over.  From where I'm sitting, I'm seeing more screwing over than help but I guess I just have to grin and bear it because this package will pass and there isn't a d@mn thing I can do about it.
Don't blame it on the lender....
if I know that I cannot afford it, I cannot afford it and I am nkot going to buy it.
Since when do BANKS give you money for free?


YES - BLAME IT ON THE LENDERS!

These con artists from mortgage companies were actually going into churches and "finding" people homes. They LIED to them. Got them loans they could afford and told them to refinance in 5 years before the BALLOON payments came due to keep their mortgage payments low. Then Alan Greenspan dropped the bar a little further and then dropped it a little further - these buyers did not even have to PROVE their income. YES, blame the lenders! They were making money of off recycling houses........it was wrong, wrong, wrong what they did to these people and to our economy!!!! Peoples wages were not keeping up with the rising house values, so they kept dropping the bar to get people into these homes to keep that house of cards moving..........it was a big pyramid scheme!!!!!