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Posted By: sm on 2008-10-23
In Reply to: The act is deplorable. Whoever did this - more than likely is....sm
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From whom? Any details available?
accept this poppycock on blind faith? Exactly what was in this ONE letter, which you suggest proves the big, bad boogeyman theory?
I don't know all the details....(sm)
but from what I know, the Iraqi people got Germany to file the case to the world court because their legal system was only one of few that could do it. So, really Germany is prosecuting on behalf of Iraq. This article (which is an older article) kind of gives a better description.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1413907,00.html
You obviously don't know the details like you THINK
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It isn't changing, it's in the details
Obama says if you are making under $250K you will not see your taxes go up a dime. If you are making under $200K you will see your taxes decrease. Basically if you are between $200K and $250K it's a no-change. He always gets this right, it's just that the wording on it seems similar so people get confused (or think he is).
Details please. I haven't heard about this
It seems pretty odd that he's offering to help low-income Americans since it seems he's an America hater. Do you have an article or documented info to back this up? Not that I don't believe you, but I haven't seen anything about this. Thanks!
So give me details. How is she going to be fried?
With or without salt?
Crisco or Mazola oil?
Deep fried or pan fried?
Breaded? If so, plain bread crumbs or Italian style?
And how does one actually go about doing this on an internet message board? Does she pour oil all over her monitor and light a match?
See how ridiculous you are? You're drawing at straws because you hate this particular poster with every fiber of your being, and you're so hell bent on pounding her into the ground that you will invent negative things to say about her, which is typical of you and which is why nobody wants to engage in a conversation with you on this board. Accusing this poster of *threats* only means that you refuse to acknowledge when a message is posted with figurative phrases by someone you don't like. If someone of YOUR ilk did the very same thing, you'd be defending it up one side and down the other.
There was no real threat intended, and if the intense hatred that fills your heart didn't prevent your objectivity, you'd see that.
I'm much more concerned about the poster who called her *an elist pig* and claimed to mean it in a *good way*.
What possible *good way* could that be? 
One Wish For 2007 (see inside for details)...sm
If you could see ONE THING come to fruition in 2007, politically, culturally, economically, socially, JUST ONE THING above all others, what would that be?
Please provide details and link regarding the...sm
42 meth labs in Wasilla. I have not heard of this. Was it while SP was in office as mayor there, or what?
I truly want to know....thanks.
Both are true. I could go into details, but I'm not applying for a job with you, so.... sm
Like I said, you're "broken". Why don't you find something better do something better with your time than making a career out of trying to harass me. I'm un-harassable.
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This is an article from the UK Times about Camp Cropper....gives more details ...
From the The UK TimesSeptember 15, 2007
They have planted bombs and shot soldiers – now it is time for school
Martin Fletcher in Camp Cropper
Ammar winds up a ten-minute harangue against Saddam Hussein with questions to his students. “How many of you had relatives executed?” asks the 33-year-old history teacher. Eight put up their hands. How many lost relatives in the Iran-Iraq war? Twelve hands rise. How many think Saddam was a bad man? All 24 students assent.
Their sincerity, though, is hard to gauge. This is no normal class, despite the Harry Potter books in Arabic on the shelves.
Ammar’s pupils wear bright yellow jumpsuits with plastic sandals and white identity bracelets around their wrists. They are among the rapidly multiplying number of child fighters held in the Camp Cropper detention centre near Baghdad airport.
The children, who are aged between 11 and 17, stand accused of offences ranging from acting as lookouts for kidnappers to planting bombs and shooting soldiers. The US military is sending them to school to reeducate them, to rid them of jihadist cant, to clear their brainwashed heads of, for example, the notion that Saddam was a glorious leader who defied an evil and aggressive superpower .
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“We want them to be able to think for themselves so they’ll pick up a book instead of an AK47,” says Brigadier General Mike Nevin, the centre’s commander.
Iraq’s children are among the worst victims of the war, a generation brutalised and traumatised by the constant violence.
The detention centre is a daunting place for a teenager. Dubbed Remembrance II or R2, is a maze of formidable five-metre-high (17ft) mesh fences topped by coiled razor wire, floodlights and watchtowers. From metal catwalks armed guards look down on concrete-floored pens where surly detainees in yellow jumpsuits linger outside their huts in the baking heat. Nobody has escaped yet.
There are 4,000 male detainees in R2 and, with President Bush’s troop “surge” in full swing, 60 more arrive each day. There are separate zones for Sunnis, Shias, foreign fighters, moderates, extremists, adults and juveniles. Roughly 85 per cent are Sunni. A quarter are diehard jihadists determined to continue their war against the infidel Americans even while in custody.
The hardliners hold Sharia courts, beat fellow detainees for smoking, listening to music or participating in US programmes. They start fires. They foment riots. They hurl water bottles filled with urine at the guards, and “chai rocks” made of tea and dust moulded into hard round balls. They fashion knives from fragments of razor wire or the ground-down ends of toothbrush handles. They make slingshots from soccer ball linings and whips from strips of towel. Occasionally detainees are murdered by their peers – earlier this year a 17-year-old was strangled.
The US has realised belatedly that the detainee population is a rich recruiting ground for the fanatics. It now strives to isolate the real hardliners – during riots guards fire paintballs at the ringleaders so they can be identified later – while wooing the rest with offers of paid work, “antiextremist enlightenment programmes” that include lessons from moderate imams and enhanced prospects of release.
But total segregation is impossible. The extremists do not advertise themselves. Some will shave their beards to blend in with the rest. And “rock mail” – messages wrapped round stones – permits the passing of orders and threats from one compound to another. “They are very determined. They never give up,” says General Nevin.
With the 828 juvenile inmates, however, the military is making an extra effort. It does not want them released after a year to become next year’s suicide bombers.
It judges a hundred or so to be beyond redemption, but the rest are now bussed daily to a new school outside R2 called Dar al-Hikmah, or Wisdom House.
The school is a row of prefabricated sheds ringed by blast walls. Here the inmates receive eight hours of lessons a day. They are taught to read and write, they play soccer and basketball, they have Iraqi civilian teachers and security is markedly more relaxed. “We’re trying to take them away from the environment they have at R2,” says Captain Ali Dipour, the principal.
The school has only been open a month, but General Nevin and the teachers say that it is working already. They say that the children’s hatred and anger is dissipating; that Sunnis and Shia teenagers are beginning to mix, that they no longer chant the names of Osama bin Laden or Moqtada al-Sadr at prayer or hurl abuse at their teachers. Leyla, the only woman teacher, says that the boys see her as something of a mother figure.
The claims are hard to test, but the classes certainly look orderly and the students attentive. As in a million other schools around the world, the walls are decorated with childish crayon drawings of animals, trees, houses and stick-figure humans. “They are just kids wanting to be kids,” says Captain Dipour.
Time will tell; but it is just conceivable that in this grim detention centre, some of these child fighters are enjoying a taste of normality for the first time in their lives.
— The number of American troops in Iraq could be reduced to about 100,000 by the time the next president takes over in 2009, Robert Gates, the US Defence Secretary, indicated yesterday.
Casualties of war
2m Iraqi children displaced by fighting
800,000 children receive no schooling
28% of children are malnourished
6 children, aged 10 to 15, are treated each month by US medics after planting roadside bombs
828 juvenile detainees are in Camp Cropper, up from fewer than 100 last year
Sources: Unicef, Save the Children, Oxfam, US military
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I didn't imagine that something like what you report could be happening today. I'm horrified. The fact that children are being brainwashed in the madrassas as well,, in the course of their "quran" learning, so they may immediately be "ordered" to become sucide bombers, whenever a mullah deems so, during the rest of their lives, should also be something widely published. ´Where are the "progressist" human rights activists? The UN activists? How come nothing is said in the media about this terrible reality? I am willing to dedicate my life to help organizing an initiative towards the ending of this situation.
Simon Salosny, Santiago, Chile
I want to say that you did an excellent job on this article. I'm nearing the end of my deployment here at Camp Cropper and I spent around seven months working with these kids. It is one of the hardest things I have ever had to do in my life, and now that I am leaving my only hope is that I have done some good here. I think I have with these kids. As a guard on the compound I've talked with a lot of them about their views, and told them mine, and told them that I am only here to help them. They use to ask me why I was here, most of them thought it was for money, but really it was for the prospect that I might be able to make a difference, and that was what I would tell them; that Maybe I could make a difference in their lives so they could live a normal life. I think it is sad that there are so many kids detained here, but while they are here maybe we can give them a chance. Thank you for showing some of the good that comes out of this war and our detention program.
SGT Bryan Scroggins
Bryan Scroggins, TROY, illinois
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