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One Wish For 2007 (see inside for details)...sm

Posted By: Democrat on 2006-12-30
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If you could see ONE THING come to fruition in 2007, politically, culturally, economically, socially, JUST ONE THING above all others, what would that be?




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Who controlled congress until 2007 whenever
Which side of congress voted down any suggestion of setting time limits or considering troop withdrawals. Which candidate voted against the war 5 years ago? Which candidate brought a timetable for troop withdawal up for consideration in February 2007? Who lobbied to defeat that initiative? Which party is now trying to highjack that same initiative and take credit for it in an election year? Simple questions. Direct answers, please.
According to the 2007 Census Bureau
figures Louisiana's population consists of 65% white, 32% black. Mississippi 60% white, 37% black. Also, the entire state of Louisiana is not contained in the city of New Orleans just as New York City is not the entire state of New York, nor is LA the entire state of California.
John McCain said the same thing on 10/11/2007 sm
He said Hillary Clinton's healthcare plan was "eerily reminiscent" of the plan she offered as first lady in the early 1990s and said "I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."
Link August 2007!. Their system is starting
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Yes, it is from 2007 and says the same as those from 2008 - where is a link showing bankrupt?
I cannot find anything like that.
Details.......
http://cbs4denver.com/campaign08/mccain.volunteer.mutilated.2.847448.html
From whom? Any details available?
accept this poppycock on blind faith? Exactly what was in this ONE letter, which you suggest proves the big, bad boogeyman theory?
I don't know all the details....(sm)

but from what I know, the Iraqi people got Germany to file the case to the world court because their legal system was only one of few that could do it.  So, really Germany is prosecuting on behalf of Iraq.  This article (which is an older article) kind of gives a better description. 


http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1413907,00.html


You obviously don't know the details like you THINK
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McCain used this expression back in 2007 referring to Hillary's
health care proposal.
It isn't changing, it's in the details
Obama says if you are making under $250K you will not see your taxes go up a dime. If you are making under $200K you will see your taxes decrease. Basically if you are between $200K and $250K it's a no-change. He always gets this right, it's just that the wording on it seems similar so people get confused (or think he is).
Nation has lost 4.4 million jobs since recession began in Dec. 2007

Unemployment rate soars to 8.1 percent
Employers resort to even bigger layoffs as they scramble to survive
BREAKING NEWS
The Associated Press
updated 8:02 a.m. CT, Fri., March. 6, 2009


WASHINGTON - The nation's unemployment rate bolted to 8.1 percent in February, the highest since late 1983, as cost-cutting employers slashed 651,000 jobs.


Both figures were worse than analysts expected and the Labor Department's report shows America's workers being clobbered by a relentless wave of layoffs.


The net loss of jobs in February came after even deeper payroll reductions in the prior two months, according to revised figures. The economy lost 681,000 jobs in December and another 655,000 in January.


Since the recession began in December 2007, the economy has lost 4.4 million jobs, more than half of which occurred in the past four months.


Employers are shrinking their work forces at alarming clip and are turning to other ways to slash costs — including trimming workers' hours, freezing wages or cutting pay — because the recession has eaten into their sales and profits. Customers at home and abroad are cutting back as other countries cope with their own economic problems.


With employers showing no appetite to hire, the unemployment jumped to 8.1 percent from 7.6 percent in January. That was the highest since December 1983, when the jobless rate was 8.3 percent.


All told, the number of unemployed people climbed to 12.5 million. In addition, the number of people forced to work part time for "economic reasons" rose by a sharp 787,000 to 8.6 million. That's people who would like to work full time but whose hours were cut back or were unable to find full-time work.


Meanwhile, the average work week in February stayed at 33.3 hours, matching the record low set in December.


Job losses were widespread in February.


Construction companies eliminated 104,000 jobs. Factories axed 168,000. Retailers cut nearly 40,000. Professional and business services got rid of 180,000, with 78,000 jobs lost at temporary-help agencies. Financial companies reduced payrolls by 44,000. Leisure and hospitality firms chopped 33,000 positions.


The few areas spared: education and health services, as well as government, which boosted employment last month.


A new wave of layoffs hit this week.


General Dynamics Corp. said Thursday it will lay off 1,200 workers due partly to plummeting sales of business and personal jets that forced it to cut production. Defense contractor Northrop Grumman Corp., and Tyco Electronics Ltd., which makes electronic components, undersea telecommunications systems and wireless equipment, also are trimming payrolls.


"This is basically cleaning house for a lot of firms," said John Silvia, chief economist at Wachovia. "They are using the first quarter to cut back employment and figure out what they want."


Disappearing jobs and evaporating wealth from tanking home values, 401(k)s and other investments have forced consumers to retrench, driving companies to lay off workers. It's a vicious cycle in which all the economy's negative problems feed on each other, worsening the downward spiral.


"The economy is in a tailspin. Businesses are jettisoning jobs at an unprecedented pace," said Richard Yamarone, economist at Argus Research.


The country is getting bloodied by fallout from the housing, credit and financial crises_ the worst since the 1930s. And there's no easy fix for a quick turnaround, economists said.


President Barack Obama is counting on a multipronged assault to lift the country out of recession: a $787 billion stimulus package of increased federal spending and tax cuts; a revamped, multibillion-dollar bailout program for the nation's troubled banks; and a $75 billion effort to stem home foreclosures.


Even in the best-case scenario that the relief efforts work and the recession ends later in 2009, the unemployment rate is expected to keep climbing, hitting 9 percent or higher this year. In fact, the Federal Reserve thinks the unemployment rate will stay elevated into 2011. Economists say the job market may not get back to normal — meaning a 5 percent unemployment rate — until 2013.


Businesses won't be inclined to ramp up hiring until they are sure any economic recovery has staying power.


The economy contracted at a staggering 6.2 percent in the final three months of 2008, the worst showing in a quarter-century, and it will probably continue to shrink during the first six months of this year.


Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke told Congress earlier this week that recent economic barometers "show little sign of improvement" and suggest that "labor market conditions may have worsened further in recent weeks."


Consumers’ growing frugality has hammered automakers, among other industries. General Motors Corp.'s auditors on Thursday raised "substantial doubt" about the auto giant’s ability to continue operations, and the company said it might have to seek bankruptcy protection, sending its shares below $2.


Bill Hampel, chief economist for the Credit Union National Association, said his group’s members are reporting record increases in deposits. Government figures show the savings rate jumped to 5 percent in January from zero last spring. That’s the highest rate since 1995 and a much faster shift than he had expected, Hampel said.


Consumer spending makes up about 70 percent of the economy. It topped out at 71 percent in 2005, Hampel said, but will likely drop by 2 to 3 percentage points over the next few years.


Increased savings can actually lower economic growth. Economists call it the “paradox of thrift”: What’s good for each of us individually — being thrifty, limiting our spending — can worsen a recession when everyone does it all at once.


Hoffman said about half the 6.2 percent drop in economic output last quarter was attributable to lower consumer spending.


Details please. I haven't heard about this
It seems pretty odd that he's offering to help low-income Americans since it seems he's an America hater. Do you have an article or documented info to back this up? Not that I don't believe you, but I haven't seen anything about this. Thanks!
So give me details. How is she going to be fried?

With or without salt?


Crisco or Mazola oil?


Deep fried or pan fried?


Breaded?  If so, plain bread crumbs or Italian style?


And how does one actually go about doing this on an internet message board?  Does she pour oil all over her monitor and light a match?


See how ridiculous you are?  You're drawing at straws because you hate this particular poster with every fiber of your being, and you're so hell bent on pounding her into the ground that you will invent negative things to say about her, which is typical of you and which is why nobody wants to engage in a conversation with you on this board.  Accusing this poster of *threats* only means that you refuse to acknowledge when a message is posted with figurative phrases by someone you don't like.  If someone of YOUR ilk did the very same thing, you'd be defending it up one side and down the other.


There was no real threat intended, and if the intense hatred that fills your heart didn't prevent your objectivity, you'd see that.


I'm much more concerned about the poster who called her *an elist pig* and claimed to mean it in a *good way*.


What possible *good way* could that be?


Please provide details and link regarding the...sm
42 meth labs in Wasilla. I have not heard of this. Was it while SP was in office as mayor there, or what?

I truly want to know....thanks.
Both are true. I could go into details, but I'm not applying for a job with you, so.... sm
Like I said, you're "broken". Why don't you find something better do something better with your time than making a career out of trying to harass me. I'm un-harassable.
System error....click for details...(sm)
Unable to compute irrational request.  Please make a new selection and try again.
This is an article from the UK Times about Camp Cropper....gives more details ...

From the The UK TimesSeptember 15, 2007

They have planted bombs and shot soldiers – now it is time for school

Martin Fletcher in Camp Cropper

Ammar winds up a ten-minute harangue against Saddam Hussein with questions to his students. “How many of you had relatives executed?” asks the 33-year-old history teacher. Eight put up their hands. How many lost relatives in the Iran-Iraq war? Twelve hands rise. How many think Saddam was a bad man? All 24 students assent.

Their sincerity, though, is hard to gauge. This is no normal class, despite the Harry Potter books in Arabic on the shelves.

Ammar’s pupils wear bright yellow jumpsuits with plastic sandals and white identity bracelets around their wrists. They are among the rapidly multiplying number of child fighters held in the Camp Cropper detention centre near Baghdad airport.

The children, who are aged between 11 and 17, stand accused of offences ranging from acting as lookouts for kidnappers to planting bombs and shooting soldiers. The US military is sending them to school to reeducate them, to rid them of jihadist cant, to clear their brainwashed heads of, for example, the notion that Saddam was a glorious leader who defied an evil and aggressive superpower .

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“We want them to be able to think for themselves so they’ll pick up a book instead of an AK47,” says Brigadier General Mike Nevin, the centre’s commander.

Iraq’s children are among the worst victims of the war, a generation brutalised and traumatised by the constant violence.

The detention centre is a daunting place for a teenager. Dubbed Remembrance II or R2, is a maze of formidable five-metre-high (17ft) mesh fences topped by coiled razor wire, floodlights and watchtowers. From metal catwalks armed guards look down on concrete-floored pens where surly detainees in yellow jumpsuits linger outside their huts in the baking heat. Nobody has escaped yet.

There are 4,000 male detainees in R2 and, with President Bush’s troop “surge” in full swing, 60 more arrive each day. There are separate zones for Sunnis, Shias, foreign fighters, moderates, extremists, adults and juveniles. Roughly 85 per cent are Sunni. A quarter are diehard jihadists determined to continue their war against the infidel Americans even while in custody.

The hardliners hold Sharia courts, beat fellow detainees for smoking, listening to music or participating in US programmes. They start fires. They foment riots. They hurl water bottles filled with urine at the guards, and “chai rocks” made of tea and dust moulded into hard round balls. They fashion knives from fragments of razor wire or the ground-down ends of toothbrush handles. They make slingshots from soccer ball linings and whips from strips of towel. Occasionally detainees are murdered by their peers – earlier this year a 17-year-old was strangled.

The US has realised belatedly that the detainee population is a rich recruiting ground for the fanatics. It now strives to isolate the real hardliners – during riots guards fire paintballs at the ringleaders so they can be identified later – while wooing the rest with offers of paid work, “antiextremist enlightenment programmes” that include lessons from moderate imams and enhanced prospects of release.

But total segregation is impossible. The extremists do not advertise themselves. Some will shave their beards to blend in with the rest. And “rock mail” – messages wrapped round stones – permits the passing of orders and threats from one compound to another. “They are very determined. They never give up,” says General Nevin.

With the 828 juvenile inmates, however, the military is making an extra effort. It does not want them released after a year to become next year’s suicide bombers.

It judges a hundred or so to be beyond redemption, but the rest are now bussed daily to a new school outside R2 called Dar al-Hikmah, or Wisdom House.

The school is a row of prefabricated sheds ringed by blast walls. Here the inmates receive eight hours of lessons a day. They are taught to read and write, they play soccer and basketball, they have Iraqi civilian teachers and security is markedly more relaxed. “We’re trying to take them away from the environment they have at R2,” says Captain Ali Dipour, the principal.

The school has only been open a month, but General Nevin and the teachers say that it is working already. They say that the children’s hatred and anger is dissipating; that Sunnis and Shia teenagers are beginning to mix, that they no longer chant the names of Osama bin Laden or Moqtada al-Sadr at prayer or hurl abuse at their teachers. Leyla, the only woman teacher, says that the boys see her as something of a mother figure.

The claims are hard to test, but the classes certainly look orderly and the students attentive. As in a million other schools around the world, the walls are decorated with childish crayon drawings of animals, trees, houses and stick-figure humans. “They are just kids wanting to be kids,” says Captain Dipour.

Time will tell; but it is just conceivable that in this grim detention centre, some of these child fighters are enjoying a taste of normality for the first time in their lives.

— The number of American troops in Iraq could be reduced to about 100,000 by the time the next president takes over in 2009, Robert Gates, the US Defence Secretary, indicated yesterday.

Casualties of war

2m Iraqi children displaced by fighting

800,000 children receive no schooling

28% of children are malnourished

6 children, aged 10 to 15, are treated each month by US medics after planting roadside bombs

828 juvenile detainees are in Camp Cropper, up from fewer than 100 last year

Sources: Unicef, Save the Children, Oxfam, US military



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I didn't imagine that something like what you report could be happening today. I'm horrified. The fact that children are being brainwashed in the madrassas as well,, in the course of their "quran" learning, so they may immediately be "ordered" to become sucide bombers, whenever a mullah deems so, during the rest of their lives, should also be something widely published. ´Where are the "progressist" human rights activists? The UN activists? How come nothing is said in the media about this terrible reality? I am willing to dedicate my life to help organizing an initiative towards the ending of this situation.

Simon Salosny, Santiago, Chile

I want to say that you did an excellent job on this article. I'm nearing the end of my deployment here at Camp Cropper and I spent around seven months working with these kids. It is one of the hardest things I have ever had to do in my life, and now that I am leaving my only hope is that I have done some good here. I think I have with these kids. As a guard on the compound I've talked with a lot of them about their views, and told them mine, and told them that I am only here to help them. They use to ask me why I was here, most of them thought it was for money, but really it was for the prospect that I might be able to make a difference, and that was what I would tell them; that Maybe I could make a difference in their lives so they could live a normal life. I think it is sad that there are so many kids detained here, but while they are here maybe we can give them a chance. Thank you for showing some of the good that comes out of this war and our detention program.
SGT Bryan Scroggins

Bryan Scroggins, TROY, illinois


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I don't think there's anything wrong with laughing at something that is not only very funny but also happens to be true.  Unfortunately, this Administration hasn't given us very much to smile about.


When I read this, nothing led me to believe that Google has a liberal's brain.  By the way how much DID that "poor schlump" part with, since you seem to have all the answers? 


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From your posting:


"So if you and Chomsky are comfortable with putting every man, woman and child in this country at risk to satisfy whatever beef you have against freedom and democracy, fine.  Your freedom of speech had a most terrible and high price tag.  Something tells me that many of these fine men and women, if they could speak now, would not thank you for your thoughts."


I do not recall stating anything related to your above quote.  As I said, you may have me confused with another poster. 


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In the first place, I'd like to say thanks for posting here, and you're welcome here any time.


As far as supplying topics to discuss, YOU seem to be the one who is actually supplying the topics.  Today the Conservative board is a pleasant place to be, and even I felt safe responding to a post in your thread.  The topic was excellent, and nowhere have I seen you attack a poster for his or her opinion. 


You haven't come across as confrontational and hateful.  Unfortunately, to a lot of people, these three have done so.


People can debate without personally attacking a poster that doesn't agree with them.  You seem to have done that.  I hope the Conservative board is able to get more posters like you.  You've made it a comfortable place to be.


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Chill!  LOL.  Gee, you sure are defensive.  I wonder where that came from!


You are NOT on the conservative board any more, and you don't have to walk on eggshells here (although I seem to have acquired a "fan" who has been following me around on this board, taking swipes at everything I say and just generally being unpleasant and contributing nothing of value to any conversation).  If you read the posts here, it's obvious to see whose agenda it is to discuss and debat and whose agenda is restricted to creating discomfort and attacking.


I thought your post was great, and there wasn't one word or phrase in your post above that would imply any lack of respect for a soldier. 


Some people just can't understand that others support the troops by wanting to keep them alive, honor their lives by only placing those lives in jeopardy when absolutely critical and necessary to protect America.  It's obvious you're not "against" our troops, but instead you're trying to fight FOR THEM while they are fighting for HIM and what I believe in the core of my soul to be his personal grudge war.  I believe more and more people are coming to this realization every day and share your thoughts (and mine), as well.


I come here because I like to see what a few certain posters write.  I've been reading these posters' thoughts for a few weeks now, and I find them to be genuine, original and heartfelt.  (If you have any doubt as to who these people are, just follow the long trail of the hateful responses to their posts.)  It's a source of relaxation to me after I finish working.  I've actually made a list of whose posts aren't worth reading any more because they totally lack value and are designed to do nothing but attack and harass.  I'm no longer willing to feed their addiction to hate, and I simply won't respond to them any more.  Again, if you read the board, I'm sure you will see who I'm referring to and why.  Wouldn't surprise me at all if you are their next target.  They can be very upsetting and cause normal, intelligent people to become very defensive.  They bait posters, and it seems to me if they're ignored, their posts will just stand alone, making their motives very, very clear.  (Just my personal opinion, and I only mention it because I don't want anyone to get to you or chase you away from here because they simply aren't worth it.)


I'm really glad to see you here.  Now I have one more reason to continue visiting this board.  I hope you have a great day! 


P.S.  I noted in your first post you mentioned you're a "military brat."  I'd just like to personally thank you and your family for the sacrifices you made for your country and for me as one of its citizens!


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I'm posting the entire post, since I'm not sure if I copied the link correctly.  It was posted by vs, followed by additional attacks on gt and Brunson complaining of the *bog of eternal stench* that she claims *tends to drift on over here* on the Conservative Board, after nobody from the Liberal Board has bothered them.  Not once.


This is the post on the Conservative Board from vs, but it's not the only objectionable one.


Sorry to see you go





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Posted By: vs on 2005-11-28,
In Reply to: I agree with you, MT. SM - Brunson

I understand why though. It's a darn shame that one or two people make this an intolerable place for everyone. Well, if the post count goes down on the boards then maybe they will revisit their policies. At least on these boards the two-initialed Nazi is allowed get away with her genocide of anything conservative, but that's not helping the post count on the board at all.

BTW, I went to the Extremely Politics board, and only a person with a self-esteem death wish would dare post there. I can see why the two-initialed Nazi likes it there. She's free to practice her hate. It's not a place I would want to touch with a 10-foot pole.


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Yes, forgiveness does mean that we have to realize our sins and confess them.   But, unless you are either George Bush himself, his pastor, or his God, how do you know he hasn't?  That is conjecture on your part.  None of us knows what has transpired between this man and his God.  I realize what I am saying will not be popular here, but I don't see a whole lot of Christianity in what I am seeing. Quoting from written sources is not addressing the fact that you are sitting in judgement of someone who is not you.  We aren't supposed to do that.  I hope you all have a blessed Sunday. I am off to church and will certainly pray that God releases from your hearts the hatred you carry.  


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Here is some more from the conference.  So shines a light in a sometimes dim world.    


The sanctity and infinite worth of every human being is a quintessential Jewish value, grounded in the biblical notion that man is made in the image and likeness of God. Against this background, it is ironic and vexatious for many pro–life activists that American Jews tend to line up on the pro–choice side in the struggle over abortion. Affirming the Sanctity of Human Life, a conference held November 12 in Washington, D.C., brought together a hundred or so Jews who are troubled by the Jewish community’s stance toward the unborn, particularly concerning the gruesome late–term procedure known as partial–birth abortion.  The morning session consisted of panel presentations by three Orthodox Jews and a maverick Reform rabbi. Marshall Breger, a law professor and political writer, lamented the fact that Jews support abortion rights more than any religious or ethnic group: they are consistently 15 to 20 percent above the norm, he said, even when controlling for various factors such as religious belief or unbelief, political ideology, social class, etc. He attributed this support, in part, to fears that governmental restrictions on abortion would abridge personal autonomy and impose Christian religious standards on Jewish life. He said that gray areas in Jewish law—its combination of silence and ambiguity regarding the fetus’ status, its handful of exceptional situations allowing abortion—have confused Jews about the permissibility of abortion in general.


Barry Freundel, an Orthodox rabbi from Georgetown, seconded Breger’s sociological account of Jewish fears about abortion as being symbolic of the wider Jewish culture clash with conservative Christian movements. It’s hard to have a conversation about abortion, he said, that doesn’t become a conversation about something else. Even among his own Orthodox congregants, Freundel said, his pro–life preaching is treated as the rabbi getting up on his soapbox again. Nevertheless, he said, he feels obliged to inform them that the absolute license to abort, as practiced in the United States today, is simply impossible to reconcile with traditional Jewish teaching. Judaism, he said, permits abortion in a few limited circumstances, such as to save the life of the mother. He indicated that there is some difference of rabbinic opinion about these circumstances, but stressed that there is no warrant for the overwhelming number of abortions now performed in the U.S. He said that classic Jewish sources really don’t say much about the general moral or metaphysical status of the fetus; but, he added, we have an intuitive response that the fetus is not like an appendix or an in–grown toe nail that can simply be removed at will.


 


Thanks, A.G....(msg inside)
Yes, I figured it out, but I kept thinking surely to goodness he/she would be able to come back with something other condescending mush, but alas, no. The original post could have meant 3 things: (1) he/she was a card-carrying member of the liberal Hate America first club; (2) he/she was championing minorities and their mistreatment 200 years ago, which I find strange when they tell us we can't go back 20 years to support a position; or (3) he/she was comparing what happened with Native Americans and blacks in our past to what happened to the Jews during the Holocaust, which is absolutely ridiculous, they are nowhere near the same. Since he/she came back in a post with how he/she *I generally avoid using the racial/ethnic I'm being picked on because of my race/country of origin/gender/you name it cliche also but I'll make an exception in your case.* so I don't much think she champions minorities very much...that rules out #2. I am leaning real hard toward #1, but after some of her later posts, it could well be #3. Or a combination of #1 and #3. I am still waiting for her to give me the name of one of those several countries she said she knew about who did not have any kind of mistreatment of their own citizens at some point in their history. I didn't ask for several, I just asked for one. Have a good day, AG!

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You posted a laundry list. Can you support any of that? Where did this come from? What is your source?
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good post.  I agree.      with just one exception...I think there ought to be something included in the program that makes allowances for the cost of living where the recepient lives.  At least some kind of adjustment to level the playing field.  I know someone can get decent housing where I used to live in Oklahoma much more reasonably than they can were I now live in the Northeast...so a bigger chunk out of the $80 grand where I live now than where I used to live.  What do you feel about that?  (not baiting you, really interested)  That is basically why I did not think expanding the program higher up the income ladder was a good idea...that coupled with it needing to be fixed to get illegals out of it and from more illegals getting on it. 
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1. Yes.

2. Most of them, yes, they have been needed, whether you or I think so or not.

3. Yes, although McCain will not be exactly that same kind of leadership.

Why?

At this point in time, this country is still in need of the Republicans (or what is posing as Republican this election year, as McCain is more of a centrist than true Republican, much to my chagrin). However, he has what we need, at this point in time.

If he's smart, McCain will chose Romney as his VP, as economy is sorely in need of someone who knows what they're doing.

Obama, is not what we need. He cannot fix anything, has not ever run anything, has no real experience, and quite frankly, I have no desire to have a socialistic pseudo-communist president, thank you very much.

My gut feeling tells me that Obama is not presidential material, period, no matter how much the liberal media tries to coronate him and cram him down our throats. (Hillary isn't prez material either, by the way...too much baggage, and "it's my turn" mentality)

I am an Independent, have voted for all parties, at one time or another (even though it may pain me to say I voted for Anderson, lo all those years ago...lol...in hindsight, I should have voted Reagan.)

But believe me, if Obama was the real deal, I would be right there for him, but sadly, he is not. He has made too many fatal errors of late, the most recent was caving to the Clintons and giving them free reign over the DNC. He is not a true leader, in my eyes.

He will not win in November, mark my words.
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Seriously, I believe that all the things that enable a person to endure such torture over an extended period of time builds character and traits that are essential to leadership. So if you put 5 years in a prison camp up
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Her youngest son is named Trig Paxson Van Palin. After Trig was born, a spokesperson for Palin said that Trig is Norse for true and brave victory. His middle name, Paxson, is the name of an area of Alaska that Palin and her husband think is "one of the most beautiful spots in Alaska," according to a report on MSNBC.

Palin is on record joking that she was naming Trig "Van Palin" after eighties rockers Van Halen.

Bristol, Palin's oldest daughter, 17, means "meeting place by the bridge," according to thinkbabynames.com. Bristol is Old English and is the name of an important town in England, which many US cities were named after as well. It has not ranked in the top 1000 baby names in the US in the last 100 years. Bristol is also the name of a bay in Alaska where Palin's brother-in-law is a fisherman.

I have not found out about the rest yet.

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I kinda like that name ... ROTFL

ok .. I'm finding this is difficult to put into words.

It's his tone of voice and his mannerisms at times. It's his attitude about why things are as bad as they are -- it's like he wants to blame Bush solely for it ALL, and that is just not the way this country operates.

I guess my answer is it is just my gut reaction to him.

I'm sure this is not an an adequate explanation (going to put the flame suit on, LOL)).

I sincerely apologize for not giving you a better answer, maybe later I can. I have to go to work now..

really gone this time!
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“I make [decisions] as quickly as I can, quicker than the other fellow, if I can. Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”
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Slash teen pregnancy funding:
Washington Post’s false accusation that Gov. Sarah Palin “slashed” funding for a teen pregnancy program, when in reality, there was “over a threefold increase from the government funds they received from all sources in 2006 (FY2006 ending 12/31/06).”

She and her husband each owned 20% of the car wash so it was not controlling interest. Who owned the controlling interest?

Don't know about the books...everything I read that was on a blog and basically said she asked the question, but it can't be verified that I can find.
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It seems to me you would like to justify how "innocent" this is by posting a link of someone who said "don't read into this". I know the poster isn't actually linking the two together, but there are a lot of "less informed" people who read Osama bin laden and Obama/Biden...yup, gotta be the same, they must be alike, Obama must be a terrorist. Believe me they are out there because I have read different web sites (can't remember where) that were saying they were connected together. This is why I take offense at it. Because there are stup!d people who can't tell the difference. Besides...this subject already came up with a big uproar the last time. How many times are we going to keep posting the same thing. And the last time it came up the poster said it was "freaky" and this is what this poster said so it leads me to believe its the same poster that wants to keep stirring up a hornets nest. When someone is offended by a post why can't others just say "I'm sorry it offended you" and drop it. That's all I'm asking to drop it. Not bring it up every other day or so.
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http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

http://www.charlotteconservative.com/index.php/2008/02/global-warming-wrong-again/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

http://www.oism.org/pproject/



There's a lot of scientists against global warming. Inform yourselves of the facts, not scare tactics by the media and AL Gore.

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Its like the inquisition is in full gear once again.

I guess Pagan would be a good way to describe me. I believe that life is in everything. I love going into the woods and just sitting by the trees by myself and listening to the earth spirits talk to me. I respect Mother Earth and all her beautiful gifts she gives us. The last time I went into a church the hair on my neck stood up. Never went back there.
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"Most partial-birth abortions are performed in the fifth and sixth months of pregnancy. Even early in the fifth month, babies who are expelled by premature labor will often be born alive. At that stage the baby's lungs are too undeveloped to permit sustained survival, but if the baby draws breath it is a LIVE BIRTH." To my definition, the 5th or 6th month is late-term. Semantics maybe.

Even with the existing partial birth abortion ban, it is still recognized as a procedure that can be used to save the life of the mother, even though no physician will go on record saying they EVER had an instance where that procedure was necessary to save the life of the mother.

That is why the baby is turned around so that it is breech, so that the brain can be collapsed inside the mother...because if the head comes first and it takes a breath it is considered a live birth and protected by the Constitution like the rest of us...until the practice of infanticide came along and was practiced until that nurse in Illinois threw a fit and brought it to public attention.

So I am not wrong, and it is not a lie.




Here it is (inside) ... the one from
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http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/028_Obama,%20Motion%20for%20Leave%20and%20First%20Amended%20Complaint.pdf


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I can't find a video on it, however, it made the rounds on news shows today....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=31736
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Yes, McCain has a refundable tax credit for health insurance. Is it aimed at a specific income group? No. Does it eliminate anyone's tax liability? No it doesn't. It isn't welfare.

Obama's refundable tax cut says specifically it will eliminate federal taxes for 10 million low income workers. People who heretofore WERE paying taxes, you have assured me repeatedly. Taxing "the rich" more to make up for that loss of revenue is marxist redistribution of wealth. There is nothing remotely like that in McCain's credit. It is basically welfare...giving a tax credit to eliminate taxes and making up the lost revenue by taxing others who make more.

You explain to me how that is NOT redistribution of wealth. He said it himself. Spreading the wealth. At least he IS honest about it.
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First off, when you have a private conversation with a sitting president, it should remain private. One should be able to keep private, sensitive matters private...or in other words, to be able to keep your mouth shut.

Does anyone really want so much transparency that we know exactly what goes on every time Obama sits down to talk to a world leader, especially when it comes to our enemies? Does anyone really think world leaders will want to sit down and be honest with someone that leaks their conversations out right after they've had them?

But if it's "transparency" that you want, then Obama in this case, was just trying to make Bush look bad. But it blew up on him, and he had to retract.


This paragraph tells the lie. The first report of the leak was that they "horse traded"...see below...when in reality, no such think occurred, and the white house made them retract, as the articles state.


Barack Obama's transition team described as inaccurate news reports that irked President Bush claiming that the two had been horse trading over signing a second economic stimulus bill in exchange for congressional passage of the Colombia Free Trade deal.



But you know what, I really do give up. Obama supporters will never find any fault whatsoever with anything that he does. He's not perfect, and I just wish his supporters would at least agree that he's human, and that he's going to make mistakes.




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Amanda, I'll try one more time. Only two people were in that room. Bush and Obama.

Obama came out of this first, private, oval office meeting and what was leaked to the press was that Obama urged Bush to get relief to the auto indutry and a stimulus plan I believe. Obama said that Bush said he would only do it if the Columbia trade agreement was pushed through Congress first.



So.


There is no way Bush or Bush aides would leak any of this information.



This information came from Obama. From a private conversation. To Obama aides. Who leaked this to the press. Who lied and said that Bush wanted the Columbia trade agreement signed before he would sign any other agreements.



This was a lie.


The White House was upset and asked for a retraction, as it was a lie.



It was retracted. By the Obama camp.




I personally do not want such transparency from a president. It shows me what little character he has.



I know it seems different to an Obama supporter.


So with that, good night. I don't blame you or the just the big bad poster for not being able to see what I see.



Night and take care.


Please don't anyone bash me, I can't take it anymore..............
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Careful, Just me, we'll be called racist if try to link the O to treason. Not that I disagree with you at all........
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In the realm of religious fanaticism a whirling Dervish was somebody who spun round and round until they got so dizzy they entered a prophetic state.  This is what is also known as an obot. 
Found it. See inside.

I'm forwarding this to Alan Combs, Greta Van Sustern (sp) and Bill O'Rielly.  Thanks.


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AIKEN -- The 6-year-old Aiken girl who'd been dead for up to 14 hours before being taken to a hospital was beaten to death, authorities said Thursday.


And the woman who called Chaquise Gregory her life and her baby is being charged with homicide in the child's death.






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Aiken County Department of Public Safety officers lead a handcuffed Kathy Salley away from her residence in the 500 block of Abbeville Avenue. She is charged with homicide by child abuse.

Aiken police arrested Kathy Salley, 26, at her Aiken home Thursday evening and booked her into the Aiken County Deten¤tion Center.


She'll be charged with homicide by child abuse this morning, Aiken Public Safety Sgt. David Turno said.


Police arrested Ms. Salley on an outstanding warrant for fraudulent checks to get her in jail, he said.


An autopsy found that Chaquise, who'd moved to a home in the 500 block of Abbeville Avenue in Aiken with Ms. Salley in May or early June, died from a severe beating, he said.


Authorities had already revealed that Chaquise had been dead between 10 and 14 hours when Ms. Salley took her to an Aiken hospital June 23.


"That's all we can tell you," Sgt. Turno said. "I do not believe they're going to go into the full evidence of the case, but we do know it was from a severe beating."


Aiken County Coroner Tim Carlton said he couldn't release many details about what killed Chaquise, except that the beating "caused some internal-type malfunction in the body that caused her death."


Mr. Carlton said there were no drugs found in the child's system, but "there were some older injuries that we're looking into that may or may not have been related to previous abuse."


The autopsy found no broken bones, but there was evidence of past breaks.


Mr. Carlton said the initial results indicate that the child was not sexually abused, but he would not rule it out completely.


She was not molested "that I'm aware of at this point," he said.


Capt. Maryann Burgess, who has been the investigator in the case, said she can't say how many others may have been involved in Chaquise's death or what charges they face.


"We know where they are," she said.


She said investigators also have not been able to verify that Ms. Salley had legal custody of Chaquise, which she claimed.


If convicted of homicide by child abuse, Ms. Salley faces between 20 years in prison and a life sentence.


In an interview with The Augus¤ta Chronicle on June 27 - five days after Chaquise was pronounced dead - Ms. Salley denied any wrongdoing in her death. Ms. Salley said she'd raised Chaquise since she was 3 years old.


"She was the only child I could ever have," she said, and questioned how the girl's biological family could think she was responsible.


Ms. Salley hinted that another person living with her and Chaquise - and who m she said she'd left the child with the night before - may have had something to do with the little girl's death.


"I can't point fingers when I don't know what went on in this house while I was gone," she'd said.


According to preliminary autopsy results that were released soon after her death, Chaquise had been dead between 10 and 14 hours before Ms. Salley took her to Aiken Regional Medical Centers.


Capt. Burgess said the additional autopsy results she received Wednesday led to Ms. Salley's arrest.


Ms. Salley told The Chronicle that authorities found bruises on Chaquise's arm and bottom, and cigarette burns on her shoulder and back.


Mr. Carlton said investigators are still trying to determine whether those marks were cigarette burns.


"It's just a tragic incident that was visited on a defenseless child," Mr. Carlton said. "And if the allegations are all true, then we certainly hope that the law and criminal justice system will be the defender of this child's rights."


You might be right, on the other hand. (see inside)

Message inside.

I thought so, too, when I first read it, but there's a whole website dedicated to nothing but this kind of hatefulness. How could anyone communicate reasonably, intelligently and productively with a follower of this kind of religion? 


Sad, isn't it?


Again... WHERE DID I SAY I HAVE AN INSIDE TRACK?

What you copied and pasted was an opinion which I stated.


Nowhere in any of my posts do I claim to have an *inside track* to anything.  That's YOUR ridiculous claim, not mine!


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http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm
actually there is a message inside above..nm