Do your research before throwing stones
Posted By: nm on 2008-10-20
In Reply to: This is more BS - from you
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Rolling Stones and Green Day
Someone the other day asked is there a site to listen to the Rolling Stones new song Sweet Neocon. On Huffingtonpost, there was an article about Green Day and the Rolling Stones singing political songs and it gives a link to listen to a sample of the Stones song and also Green Day's. If it is still there, it was on the R hand side, quite a way down the page.
Sticks and stones......and you are capable...
only of petty, small insults and attacking in packs. Certainly something to be proud of. You should add it to your resume.
Sticks and stones ladies......
Your petty name calling doesn't touch us.
**Sticks and stones?** How bizarre.
You were called a **US citizen.** Such audacity!
So which was hurled at you? A stick or a stone?
Sticks and stones....hope it empowers you to...
berate me. And your respect...thanks but no thanks. Don't want it, don't need it. Your assessment of my posts means less than nothing. So keep swattin'. I am not going away.
The sticks and stones were the smart-A (aleck, not a$$)....
remarks at the end of the post...ending in...chief. No need for that. And it does not matter how many times these folks (same folks who would DIE before claiming Bush as THEIR President...LOL) tell me Barry from Chicago is MY President...in my mind and heart he is not, and they are preaching to the choir. But if that makes their day....yippee. Maybe they can meet MSNBC Chris and they can sing Obama's praises and get those tingles up their legs...lol.
*Sticks and Stones*. YOU LOST. AMERICA WON.
Stop the name calling, the crying, the ranting and GET BEHIND OUR PRESIDENT AND OUR COUNTRY! Don't be a traitor! You don't like it--Leave!!
Sticks and stones, my friend. Didn't vote for the man...
he is not MY President. I honor the office, not the man in it. Not Bush, and certainly NOT the great and powerful 0. Last time I looked this was a free country, although Barry from Chicago may change that before he is finished. I don't have to claim him because you folks elected him. I don't have to sig heil. I certainly don't have to respect him. I used to respect the office of the presidency and I might again if an independent nonpuppet with a mind of his freakin own (or HER own) ever gets elected. If McCain had been elected, would he be YOUR president? Would Palin have been YOUR vice-president? Come onnnnnn.
Sorry about that....chief.
Fox is throwing her under the bus..(sm)
Last night Bill O'Reilly had a reporter on that spoke about the problems Palin presented in the McCain camp. Bill didn't actually agree with what was being said, but he also didn't argue the point. Let's face it, that's not Bill's style. He argues with EVERYONE that doesn't see his point of view on that show, and yet failed to stand up for Sarah Palin, who Fox News has promoted through this whole thing. I think they were setting her up from the beginning to take the fall. In my view that does not excuse her lack of knowledge or a bunch of other stuff she has done, but I think it's sad to use someone like that.
Nothing like throwing
parties when the American people are suffering, losing jobs and homes, etc. But hey....let's spend loads of money on steak and alcohol and throw a big ole house party at the White House.
You know....if I actually saw our governemtn or Obama at least trying to NOT spend any money....I might feel a little bit more confident about our future. Makes me sick! Sick sick sick!!!!
Palin isn't through throwing mud yet...(sm)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/12/palin/index.html#cnnSTCText
There you go again, throwing religion around.
nm
On the evening 1/20, my friends are throwing a
The only thing I wish is that Mr. Obama could've taken office an hour after the votes were officially counted. As a 'parting gift' to the oil industry, Bush tried to give them drilling rights in some of Utah's most majestic national parks. Fortunately there was anough of an outcry (and I believe a lawsuit) about it, that such a travesty can be held at bay a while longer, until we finally have a SANE PERSON in the White House. It just can't happen SOON ENOUGH!
If this is your philosophy, why are you throwing Bush's numbers around...sm
as if you are proud that he is spending more on social programs than Clinton. Just trying to understand your thinking?
Throwing bleach on 70-year-old women...
destroying property...not necessary to do either of those to exercise free speech. They were acting like thugs. I believe they were going to engage in "civil" disobedience. Injuring innocent people and destroying private property is hardly civil.
I am all for free speech...I am also for respecting innocent people and the property of others.
That is throwing a bone to the democrats, honey....
so they will pass the thing, and let the rich folks' money flooding wall street fix it instead of OURS. You noticed the operative word "chance." If they still can't make their payments they ARE going to go into foreclosure and the government is not going to own their houses.
I can take it on the chin if they have ability to keep their houses if it saves us 6+ billion dollars.
THAT is my rationale.
Throwing Shoes at President Bush
I just saw a story on Headline News Network about the shoe-throwing incident, and they said the people of Iraq are divided on how they feel about it, but nobody feels it was wrong, half of them think it was the right thing to do and half think it was an embarrassment but not necessarily the wrong thing to do.
so if they feel that way, let's bring our precious sons and daughters home, and never go back. Our finances are in crisis, we can't afford to be spending billions where we're not wanted. What's the point of being there and spending all this money we could be using in much better ways. Why keep risking the lives of our troops for people who don't appreciate it at all? I'm no political genius, far from it, but plain old common sense says this is just wrong!
Why don't you discuss like an adult instead of throwing temper tantrums?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
Sarcasm... isn't that what you were throwing around earlier? Just thought I'd throw some too.
Didn't realize you cornered the market. But, hey, if you want some Bible verses, I can pitch a few of those too.
Sorry if I offended you, but I imagine the OP was perhaps a little offended at your insinuation that she was a paranoid lunatic. Well, as momma always said, if you can't take the heat...
or
Don't dish it out if you can't eat it.
throwing himself on the floor kicking because Scooter didn't get his pardon.......
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Protests erupt in Iraq in support of shoe-throwing reporter
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Politics/?id=3.0.2815505803
You had better do some better research. sm
Hillary, at the cost of millions of dollars from her special forces team (none of whom knew a thing about writing a health care bill, including herself) put together an over 1300 page "booklet" which was such a dismal failure, not even the democrats would get behind it. Ted Kennedy wants socialized medicine. Ask Canada and England what they think of socialized medicine. You really can't go around blaming republicans for everything without at least doing some research.
did my research
Oh, I did my research and I lived through the times when President Clinton and the First Lady tried to get a universal health plan. The republicans wanted nothing to do with it. Socialized health care? Better than no health care for millions of americans. At least President Clinton got the country talking about universal health care, more than Bush has done. All Bush has done is push his programs that benefit the rich. Example, his tax cuts. The rich got over 91,000 dollars in tax cuts each, the working class got 200 to 300 dollars, I didnt get anything. Bush is a disaster and I think you need to do a bit of research. Conservative equals not wanting change. Liberal means wanting to change and progress and move forward with new ideas, plans, bettering the country. You conservatives are stuck in the 1940s and 1950s mentality. Gotta tell ya, time moves on and if you dont move and grow with it, you will be left behind. It is obvious conservatism is a dying ideology, liberalism and sharing among the people of the world is the ideology of the future.
Do a little research on...
the bombings in Yugoslavia and the targeted bombings of civilians. Secondly, one coulud make an argument (you certainly would have if GWB had been president from 1992 until 2000) that Al-Qaeda ratched up it's attacks and most certainly planned the entire 9/11 attack during Clintons administration. From the 1993 failed WTC attack right on through all the rest, until the end of term, one cannot even argue that Bin Laden was left unchecked and unhindered.
Do some research
If you really care about why Jews believe life begins with the first breath, do some research, starting in the Old Testament. There is a lot of information available on the internet. I don't care to explain it all, when I really don't think you give a hoot about what I believe.
Basically, it is a matter of soul. We don't believe one has a soul until we are born and take our first breath.
Please...do the research....
even those scientists in search of grants who agree with him for that express purpose, conclude that he "might be a little off" on some things...saying that the catastrophic things he implies are imminent are MILLENIA away...that means thousands of years. Fossil fuels will be long gone by then and so will we. So...has NOTHING to do with peace.
It's you who needs to research/think
but I won't take any bets on either!
Are you really unable to follow what is meant by "MCcain voted 'with Bush'...? here's a clue: its not meant to be taken literally. MCCAIN VOTED FOR BUSH POLICIES 90% of the time. Do you still not get it?
And, my post wasn't about the DEMOCRATS - it was about McCain's voting record! But change the subject if you want...
anything but respond to the factual point(s)I made.
After you go do your research, come back and report WHETHER OR NOT McCain supported Bush's policies (voted for) anything near the 90% range...
For the record, I AM NOT A DEMOCRAT, nor do I defend them.
All you have to do is the research...
Democrats were at the top of this, Democrats passed the "reform" that was the straw that broke the camel's pack. Smoke and mirrors, deny, deny. It's all out there for anyone to see...Raines and Gorelick. Cleaned up at the American peoples' expense.
This one isn't. Research it. nm
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research it.....sm
I don't have time to do it for you, but all these CEOs of all these big corps that have gone under? Liberal democrats, probably all of them. Just look around for the info. It's there.
Makes me sick the way they blame George Bush and the Republicans, when it was the liberal congress getting their pockets lined to keep legislation from passing that would have kept fannie and freddie from happening, and whole boatload of other crap from happening.
Blame game...blame the republicans, when it's really yourself that caused the problem.
At least I just heard McCain finally get some kahunas and called Obama on his ties to all this.
You are SO right! I did some research on
this myself in the Journal of Socialist Affairs in America, and this was undeniably what was happening. A similar view is put forth on the unifyingamerica.org website. George Soros, Bill Rudgear, and Jonah Winston have just GOT to go!
He are a few. Do a little more research yourself instead...sm
of putting your faith in what a right-wing rag has to say. If your read all those requisitions for grants they were all for worthy causes in a poor Chicago neighborhood, children/youth/elderly programs. Because there was no oversight on how the money was spent it appears that some of the grant money that went to 1 of the organizations may have been misspent and is under investigation. This happened way back in 2000. In 2006 when Obama was no longer in the Illinois legislature, this same organization was given an additional $20,000. Do you want to blame Obama for that too? I venture to say I have done more research on the subject than you have.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/1184049,CST-NWS-watchdog25.article
http://www.judicialwatch.org/documents/2008/DCEO_1.pdf
http://www.illinois.gov/pressreleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=3&RecNum=1378
Research is everything.......it keeps getting
Don't forget that factcheck.org is part of the Annenberg School at the University of Pennsylvania and is funded by the Annenberg Foundation that employed Obama in Chicago.
do some research
For starters, they have the highest tax in the nation (10.25, as I recall my sister telling me, who lives there). Major militants. Their idea of replacing a retired politician is neoptism. I don't recall the name, but my sister was telling me about it. They also pay big-time for car emission tests, stuff like that. Do some research and see what you think. After all, it's the home of Rev. Wright & Father Phleger.
Research this.....
Perhaps there are SOME out there who are beginning to get 'the picture'.
The following is a narrative taken from Sunday Morning's televised "Meet The
Press'. and the author is employed by none other than the Washington Post!!
Yeah......the Washington Post of New York and Los Angeles Times fame!! Must
say that I'm dually impressed..................
From Sunday's Televised "Meet the Press" Senator Obama was asked about his
stance on the American Flag. Obama Explains National Anthem Stance
Sun, 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, General Bill Ginn' USAF (ret.) asked
Obama to explain why he doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is
played. The General also stated to the Senator that according to the United
States Code,
Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171... During rendition of the national anthem
when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform are expected
to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. At
the very least, "Stand and Face It"
Senator Obama Live on Sunday states, "As I've said about the flag pin, I
don't want to be perceived as taking sides, Obama said. 'There are a lot of
people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And
the anthem itself conveysa war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in
air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less
bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing.' If that
were our anthem, then I might salute it."We should consider to reinvent our
National Anthem as well as to redesign our Flag to better offer our enemies
hope and love. It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the
level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we as a Nation of
warring people, should conduct ourselves as the nations of Islam, whereas
peace prevails. Perhaps a state or period of mutual concord between our
governments. When I become President, I will seek a pact or agreement to end
hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and
a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation have placed
upon the nations of Islam anunfair injustice. My wife disre spects the Flag
for many personal reasons. Together she and I have attended several flag
burning ceremonies in the past, many years ago. She has herviews and I have
mine". Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of
the United States and I have put aside my hatred. I will use my power to
bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path of hope. My
wife and I look forward to becoming our Country's First Family. Indeed,
CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America.
WHAAAAAAAT the HEL**!!!
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, you heard it right. This could possibly be our
next President.I, for one, am speechless.
Dale Lindsborg, Washington Post
Maybe YOU should research it
http://www.startribune.com/local/31213379.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUMEaPc:E7_ec7PaP3iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU
Do a little research
for yourself. I'm sure you can find a snippet on the internet somewhere. Find it and hear whatever you want to hear or hear what was said, no concern of mine what you want to think.
Do you ever do your own research?
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Do your research if you want
The information came from the Teamster's newsletter. The issues and voting dates are there in the previous post. Shouldn't be hard to verify the Wasilla Police Dept, also.
Okay, my research says -
publicly funded hospitals cannot refuse abortions, privately owned hospitals can.
Doctors and support staff can refuse to perform abortions or to assist physicians in abortions.
Thank you...I will research this a bit more
before I make a decision, but I at least don't believe that anyone placed it there to harm anyone on purpose. Unfortunately, these things do happen, even here at home, i.e., Hinkley, which is not too far from where I grew up. Not to say that it is okay, but certainly I don't think it is intentional. Just handled poorly once discovered. Thank you for your kind thoughts and wishes and, of course, I pray that my husband is not subjected to such things. I might feel differently if he were. I am with you about what military receives in return. We need a raise!!! Hope you have a Merry Christmas!
You need to do some research
The following appeared in the Durham, N.C., local paper as a letter to the Editor on Feb. 15, 2004.
Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11!
Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims:
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled Al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.
Worst president in history? Think about it!
Research?
So your idea of research is reading a Bloomberg post and then calling people names? Under whose watch did the bank failures occur? Under whose watch was deregulation an obsession?
Chavez is almost as crazy as the GOP, so I take anything he says as seriously as anything the congressional GOP says.
Like it or not, if banks are insolvent then the entire worldwide economy grinds to a stinking halt. You think global unrest is bad now? You ain't seen nothing yet.
I hope your transcribing expertise is a little better than your understanding of politics and economics.
Sheesh...
Do more research...
They have found a gene.
Please do some more research - nm
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Yep, you did your research......(sm)
too bad it didn't have anything to do with the topic being discussed. 
Yep, you did your research......(sm)
too bad it didn't have anything to do with the topic being discussed.
Yes, I am also going to research some of these s/m
things brought up in the film. As far as believing if our government is capable of risking and taking lives of their own people, I absolutely do believe that it has been done many times in the past, so Bush and Cheney are by far not the only potential villains to the story. I have a good friend who is writing a book based on her brother's life (he died last year) detailing some of his experiences being involved as an operative connected to the US Military as well as the CIA. and he confided these goings on to her before he died, and she said it is extremely explosive stuff. I had her watch the movie just to get her opinion, and she related to me that this stuff is not at all surprising to her, based on the stories she heard from her brother.
Regardless of what you might believe or not believe about this movie, it is provocative and thought provoking and very interesting in all the "coincidences" that seem to be wrapped around these events and bears more than just a glancing interest by anyone who is concerned about the state of our country today.
So thank you for at least checking it out for yourself and not jumping on me for just trying to open up some sort of grown-up dialogue on this.
Also, if you do you research...
he cannot possibly raise enough to pay for it all, even close, by just taxing the so-called "rich." And..by the way...the so-called rich are also most of the employers in this country. People who pay no taxes and can't afford their own health care certainly don't employ anyone. I sure don't. Believe me, common sense tells me and should tell you that you are going to have to bear part of the burden, unless you join the ranks of those who don't pay federal income taxes.
I did some research on this and what I found is that he DID NOT
get paid for this case, it was pro bono.
"Roberts' work on the case was one of several he helped handle as part of his pro bono work at Hogan & Hartson, a prominent Washington law firm that expected its partners to volunteer their time to assist in community service.
Source - LA Times
In his answers to the Senate questionnaire, Roberts talked more generally about his volunteer work.
"My pro bono legal activities were not restricted to providing services for the disadvantaged," he wrote, explaining that he often donated his time and expertise on projects by working behind the scenes."
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:Uy77hebjJ60J:www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi%3FArtNum%3D103923+roberts+paid+pro+bono&hl=en
You might want to research first before posting.
According to Forbes, Bush's net worth, including real estate is $15 million. His only home, in Crawford, is appraised at $988, 353.
In contrast, Associated Press, published the following story, which has Kerry's net worth at $33,000,000. Twice that of Bush. He has a $700,000 yacht. Also, his homes are enumerated below. That's homes as in plural and they are all multimillion dollar homes.
The Washington Times
www.washingtontimes.com
Published March 23, 2004
ASSOCIATED PRESS
From a sailing mecca to a ski resort, presumptive Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, enjoy the trappings of their wealth in at least five homes and vacation getaways across the country valued at nearly $33 million.
Some are private escapes for the family, while others serve as prime spots to host fund-raisers and exclusive gatherings for wealthy donors. All reflect the couple's status -- he is a four-term Massachusetts senator, she is heiress to the $500 million family ketchup fortune.
Each home has a place in the family's life, with its own history and mission, from the preppy island of Nantucket and Boston's Beacon Hill to the Pittsburgh countryside, the Idaho mountains and the nation's capital.
Mr. Kerry is on a weeklong break from the campaign at the home in the wooded mountains of Ketchum, Idaho. Located near the banks of the Big Wood River, the nearly $5 million house is a reassembled barn, originally built in England in 1485 and brought to Idaho by Mrs. Kerry's late husband, H. John Heinz III. The Pennsylvania Republican senator died in a plane crash in 1991.
The Heinz family has had the house since 1966 and traditionally spends time there in August and during the Christmas holidays -- often throwing a New Year's Eve party capped with fireworks.
While Ketchum provides a respite from politics, the tony Beacon Hill brownstone in Boston has been a more frequent campaign way station for Mr. Kerry and his wife. It is the only residence that is theirs as a couple. And, assessed at nearly $7 million, it is the residence that Mr. Kerry mortgaged last year to finance more than $6 million in loans to his campaign.
Their other homes, ranging in value from more than $3 million to nearly $9.2 million, belong to Mrs. Kerry and predate her 1995 marriage to the Massachusetts senator. Several are still listed under the name of her late husband.
Formerly part of a convent, the five-story, 12-room Boston town house -- with six fireplaces, a rooftop deck and an elevator -- is Mr. Kerry's main residence. It is where he is registered to vote and is located blocks from the Statehouse.
While that is their newest home, Mrs. Kerry has had a Massachusetts presence for years.
Just beyond the historic Brant Point Lighthouse in Nantucket's harbor is Mrs. Kerry's $9.1 million waterfront estate. Rimmed by tall hedges, with a wide deck and a lawn that reaches to the beach, the three-story, five-bedroom manse was the site of the couple's Memorial Day weekend wedding in 1995.
Since then, the house has been used for campaign retreats and Democratic receptions for the party's big-money donors.
While Mr. Kerry calls Boston home, Mrs. Kerry's base is Pittsburgh, which is her longtime residence and the headquarters of the Heinz Family Philanthropies, which she chairs.
Located on a $3.7 million, 90-acre family farm in Fox Chapel, the home is a nine-room white colonial fronted with six columns, and at the end of a steep drive, hidden from the road by a curtain of woods. The property includes a deep-red, nine-room carriage house.
This is where Mrs. Kerry raised her three sons and where she is registered to vote.
Their fifth home, in Georgetown, is perhaps the most utilitarian, and is necessary to accommodate the time they spend in Washington when the Senate is in session. Also belonging to Mrs. Kerry, the 23-room, $4.7 million town house, with its wide stairway and landscaped courtyard, is filled with antiques, fine art and family photos.
HOMES SWEET HOMES
Presumptive Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, divide their time among five homes across the country.
•Boston: A five-story, 12-room Beacon Hill town house that serves as Mr. Kerry's main residence. Assessed value: $6.9 million.
•Nantucket, Mass.: A three-story, five-bedroom waterfront retreat on Brant Point. Assessed value: $9.18 million.
•Washington, D.C.: A 23-room town house in Georgetown. Proposed 2005 assessment: $4.7 million.
•Ketchum, Idaho: A ski getaway converted from a reassembled barn near Sun Valley. Assessed value: $4.9 million. Mrs. Kerry also owns two adjoining lots valued at $1.5 million and $1.8 million.
•Fox Chapel, Pa.: A nine-room colonial on nearly 90 acres in suburban Pittsburgh. The property also includes a nine-room carriage house. Assessed value: $3.7 million.
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