First, Israel is not committing genocide. History shows

that it has been the Palestinians who have been the aggressors.  Israel goal is protect its people from suicide bombers and the palestinians' so-called "intifada." 

But this argment is getting tired and obviously you cannot see where using Hitler to emphasize your point is a poor choice and would make a Jew view you as an anti-Semite.  If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

• Anti-Semitism versus Anti-Zionism - Lu
  • Correction...(sm) - Just the big bad
    • Does really need to be said that Israel is predominantly Jewish? - Lu
      • No dear, it's anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic. - sm
        • Well sugar, it becomes anti-Semitic the minute - Lu
          • OK, hon, this is the deal. - sm
            • Israel is anything but doomed, and you are totally deluded. - Lu
              • Until you acknowledge the occupation - sm
      • There is an obvious reason for using Hitler..(sm) - Just the big bad
        • First, Israel is not committing genocide. History shows - Lu
          • Ummmm.....(sm) - Just the big bad
            • Of course, you forgot to mention, the - source was MSNBC,
            • Those "schools" are also where Hamas hides and - uses civilians as shields!! then blame Israel!.nm
              • UN provided GPS coordinates and has - jj
              • That has yet to be proven...(sm) - Just the big bad
            • Wanders the desert for 40 years before occupation of the land - I agree
              • There was a truce. Hamas broke it and sent - missiles into Israel. What is wrong with you?nm
                • Maybe you should check your facts...(sm) - Just the big bad
                  • Maybe you should check yours. - jj
                    • Oops. This should be posted under "Thre was a truce." - jj
            • Wow. What an interesting question. - jj
              • This might help...(sm) - Just the big bad
          • Do you share the same gene pool as - sm
            • Baloney. Israel is targeting Hamas, who are - terrorists. Hamas to blame for palestinian deaths.
              • We hold these truths to be self-evident - sm
              • Yeah, and Isreal took its own out of Gaza, yet - Hamas uses Gaza to shoot missiles at Israel!.nm

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The Palestinians have been given the opportunity in 1947 when the UN granted a mandate separating the land into two states.  The palestinians rejected the mandate and launched a civil war that Israel quickly won and declared their independence.  Then in 1948 Israel was invaded by Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan which Israel one as well.  The palestinians were given their chance and decided on violence instead and they were the losers.  That's how it cookie crumbles.

In 1973 once again Israel's angry neighbors tried to invade, the Yom Kippur war.  Israel was winning that one too when a cease fire was called.  The palestinians lost fair and square.  They could peacefully have coexisted with the Israeli's but they continually reject any peaceful solution and send their suicide bombers.  Let's not forge the Oslo Peace Process in the early 1990s where Israeli government once again extended the olive branch agreeing to the PLO to form an autonomous government if they could agree to coexist with Israel and recognize Israel's right to exist.  The palestinians answer?  To laung Intifada II against the Israelis.  Once again, more violence perpetrated by the palestinians.

Finally, what about the Sharon's disengagement plan implemented in 2005?  Israeli government removed civilian and military presence from the Gaza Strip as a gesture to the palestinians so they could no longer claim that Gaza was an occupied" territory.  Even after that gesture, the palestinians have refused to recognize Israel. 

The palestinians do not want peace with the Israelis.  They will settle for no less than the total annihilation of Israel as a nation which is the what the entire Arab world wants.

Her love and kindness for her fellow man certainly shows in her comments on Oklahoma City.

My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.

--Ann Coulter as quoted in the New York Observer, Aug. 20, 2002

RE: McVeigh quote. Of course I regret it. I should have added, 'after everyone had left the building except the editors and reporters.'

--Ann Coulter, from an interview with Right Wing News

true character of our president-elect.  He is stepping up to the rudderless ship regardless of the consequences.  His presidency is not a desire for power, a desire to upstage daddy, or a way to ensure future big bucks giving speeches or sitting on a board of a corporation.  He is doing it simply for the love of his country.  Bless him.

The UK presents diplomatic gifts of great antiquity, value  and meaning and in return we  hand them, what?  Plastic model planes?   Talk about a low-rent reception!  Yeah, I guess we  really are illustrating that we don't care enough to give the very best.  

respond with rehearsed speech, or just do not answer the question. On Hardball, Chris will say answer the question, yes or no, over and over and over and whoever just goes off on whatever tangent.

They griped about Bush, McCain, Palin, the other Bush, Clinton, you name it. They are fair game and you should know that. The pot shots are to get more viewers, get laughs, or just let their own feelings out.

They are not griping about O. In fact, most of the news media has put him in a pedestal since the beginning. 

check this out:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/01/29/armey/

Why does none of this surprise me?

'US, Israel planned ME war' 13/08/2006 11:06  - (SA)

New York - The US government was closely involved in the planning of Israel's military operations against Islamic militant group Hezbollah even before the July 12 kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers, The New Yorker magazine reported in its latest issue. The kidnapping triggered a month-long Israeli operation in South Lebanon that is expected to come to an end on Monday. But Pulitzer Prize-winning US journalist Seymour Hersh writes that President George W Bush and vice president Dick Cheney were convinced that a successful Israeli bombing campaign against Hezbollah could ease Israel's security concerns and also serve as a prelude to a potential US pre-emptive attack to destroy Iran's nuclear installations. Citing an unnamed Middle East expert with knowledge of the current thinking of the Israeli and US governments, Israel had devised a plan for attacking Hezbollah - and shared it with Bush administration officials - well before the July 12 kidnappings. The expert added that the White House had several reasons for supporting a bombing campaign, the report said. If there was to be a military option against Iran, it had to get rid of the weapons Hezbollah could use in a potential retaliation against Israel, Hersh writes. Citing a US government consultant with close ties to Israel, Hersh also reports that earlier this summer, before the Hezbollah kidnappings, several Israeli officials visited Washington to get a green light for a bombing operation following a Hezbollah provocation, and to find out how much the United States would bear. The Israelis told us it would be a cheap war with many benefits, the magazine quotes the consultant as saying. Why oppose it? We'll be able to hunt down and bomb missiles, tunnels, and bunkers from the air. It would be a demo for Iran. US government officials have denied the charges. Nonetheless, Hersh writes, a former senior intelligence official says some officers serving with the Joint Chiefs of Staff remain deeply concerned that the administration will have a far more positive assessment of the air campaign than they should. There is no way that (defence secretary Donald) Rumsfeld and Cheney will draw the right conclusion about this, the report quotes the former official as saying. When the smoke clears, they'll say it was a success, and they'll draw reinforcement for their plan to attack Iran.

Move the state of Israel to Virginia, Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson can fight over the honor, and see how much y'all love Israel then.

I know that it happens all the time.  I am sorry that it does.

Why the Israeli attack helps the US by taking on Hamas now and why this time Israel may succeed in Gaza. A well-written perspective on Gaza, Israel, Hamas. This adds more to consider as we all discuss this war.

Why Israel Fights
By WILLIAM KRISTOL
Published: January 4, 2009

The Israeli assault on Hamas in Gaza is going to be a replay, we’re told, of the attempt to subdue Hezbollah in southern Lebanon in the summer of 2006. And the outcome, it’s asserted, will be the same: lots of death and destruction, no strategic victory for Israel and a setback for all who seek peace and progress in the Middle East.

Obviously, war is an unpredictable business, so I say this with some trepidation: I think the conventional wisdom will be proved wrong. Israel could well succeed in Gaza.

For one thing, southern Lebanon is a substantial and hilly area, bordered by northern Lebanon and Syria, through which Hezbollah could be re-supplied, both by Syria itself and by Iran. Gaza is a flat, narrow strip, bordered by Israel, as well as by the sea and by Egypt, no friend to Hamas. By cutting off the northern part of Gaza from the southern, Israel has basically surrounded northern Gaza, creating a military situation very different from that in Lebanon in 2006.

What’s more, the Israeli leadership seems aware of the mistakes — political, strategic and military — it made in Lebanon. That doesn’t mean it won’t make them all over again. The same prime minister, Ehud Olmert, is in charge, after all. But, today’s defense minister, Ehud Barak, is very different from his predecessor, the weak and unqualified Amir Peretz. So far as one can tell, the Gaza operation seems to have been well-planned and is being methodically executed, in sharp contrast to the Lebanon incursion. Barak has also warned that the operation could be long and difficult, lowering expectations by contrast with the Israeli rhetoric of July 2006.

In addition, in Lebanon, Israel proclaimed war goals that it couldn’t achieve — such as retrieving its two kidnapped soldiers and disarming Hezbollah. Now the Israeli government says that it seeks to weaken Hamas, lessen its ability to fire rockets from Gaza and secure new arrangements along the Egyptian-Gaza border to prevent Hamas from re-arming. These may well be achievable goals.

And, of course, not all military efforts against terror fail. Recall Israel’s incursion into the West Bank in the spring of 2002, when, under the leadership of Ariel Sharon, Israel succeeded in ripping up established terror networks and began the defeat of the second intifada. Israel also was able to avoid a long-term re-occupation, while retaining the ability to go back in on anti-terror missions. What’s more, the 2002 bloodshed didn’t seem to do lasting damage to hopes for progress or moderation on the West Bank. After all, it’s Gaza, from which Israel withdrew in 2005, not the West Bank, that became a Hamas stronghold.

An Israeli success in Gaza would be a victory in the war on terror — and in the broader struggle for the future of the Middle East. Hamas is only one manifestation of the rise, over the past few decades, of a terror-friendly and almost death-cult-like form of Islamic extremism. The combination of such terror movements with a terror-sponsoring and nuclear-weapons-seeking Iranian state (aided by its sidekick Syria) has produced a new kind of threat to Israel.

But not just to Israel. To everyone in the Middle East — very much including Muslims — who aren’t interested in living under the sway of extremist regimes. And to any nation, like the United States, that is a target of Islamic terror. So there are sound reasons why the United States — whether led by George W. Bush or Barack Obama — will stand with Israel as it fights.

But Israel — assuming it succeeds — is doing the United States a favor by taking on Hamas now.

The huge challenge for the Obama administration is going to be Iran. If Israel had yielded to Hamas and refrained from using force to stop terror attacks, it would have been a victory for Iran. If Israel were now to withdraw under pressure without accomplishing the objectives of severely weakening Hamas and preventing the reconstitution of a terror-exporting state in Gaza, it would be a triumph for Iran. In either case, the Iranian regime would be emboldened, and less susceptible to the pressure from the Obama administration to stop its nuclear program.

But a defeat of Hamas in Gaza — following on the heels of our success in Iraq — would be a real setback for Iran. It would make it easier to assemble regional and international coalitions to pressure Iran. It might positively affect the Iranian elections in June. It might make the Iranian regime more amenable to dealing.

With respect to Iran, Obama may well face — as the Israeli government did with Hamas — a moment when the use of force seems to be the only responsible option. But Israel’s willingness to fight makes it more possible that the United States may not have to. 

the U.N. overstepped its bounds?  And what about the United Kingdom that controlled the area in the early 1900s? 

Like it or not nations are formed through civil war.  There are winners and there are losers.  It's really very simple.  The process has not changed for centuries and it will never change.  The strong prevail.  The righteous prevail. The minute we take a liberal viewpoint, that's the exact minute we become weak.