Wanders the desert for 40 years before occupation of the land
Posted By: I agree on 2009-01-08
In Reply to: Ummmm.....(sm) - Just the big bad
now known as Israel. The palestinians which were sent into exile are in the millions. Even my Jewish friends agree that Israel is being ruthless (they have the right to protect themselves, they say. This is what they should have done before the Holocaust. Jewish guilt stems from their failure to do so, resulting in their loved ones miserable deaths).
And, the world waited for a long time during the Holocaust before acting. Where was America and England, they must have thought. Years went by and they suffered tremendously. And the strongest survived - and the Jews do remember they were ignored at their time of need by the entire world - that in itself would justify in their minds a lack of loyalty to any other country other than Israel.
Sharon said: "Israel owns America and America knows it."
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It's not Arab land tho'. The land has always belonged to the Jews!
Whatever the U.S. does or doesn't do where Israel and the middle east is involved is irrelevant. The land of Israel is THE promised land. It belongs to the Jews. They have had to fight for it against odds stacked against them and have won.
Coolness in the desert
I open the windows at night and my kitchen door as it has a security screen door on it..and I have three big dogs who will tell me if anyone is outside..at night I hear the little coyotes howl and yip..it is so great..I love the little coyotes. So peaceful in the desert.
oops - should be desert
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And to go a bit further into history, Daddy Bush had to do Desert Storm.....sm
"for the freedom of the Kuwaiti people", even though the average Kuwaiti at the time was far more prosperous than the average American, we were shown the peasants on the borders. Ethnic cleansing goes on for generations on the African continent, but do we rush in there to save the people. Nope. We don't have oil, or any other money-making interests there! Guess where the Bush family got most of their wealth....Bingo, oil wells! Now, let's connect the dots on this. Osama Bin Ladin himself (may he rot in he!!) said in many interviews and videos that the Jihaad started the moment Daddy Bush did not heed the warning and stay out of the Muslim desert. We went, and THAT is what started all the POINTED ATTACKS on Americans. So if you really want to trace things back, it goes back to Bush, the first one! JMHO. And oh, just what was it we accomplished with Desert Storm besides securing those Kuwaiti oil fields????
Until you acknowledge the occupation
the specifics of your arguments have no standing or credibility and merit no comment. Doomed is what they are and by their own hand, not Hamas, not the Palestinians, but by themselves.
I don't think your occupation is a prerequisite
Whether she used government money or not that's her business. Many people use government money for things they should not. Just because this gal decided to in vitro to have her children does not make her a criminal. I still don't get what makes her any different? She is no better or worse than anyone else who abuses the welfare/workers' comp/unemployment system. I know people that are getting unemployment and could care less about looking for a job; they sicken me!!! Let's get real here!
Who cares what he did as an occupation or didn't do
He was trying to get the O to admit to his plans for the American people. The dems just were upset that it came out that the O plans to screw us all.
I want the truth. I don't care if a plumber or non-plumbar, plant or no plant was there. He didn't do anything wrong except expose the O for what he is. Out of O's own mouth - were going to take the money you earn by working and spread it around to the people who are not working because it's not fair that they aren't making what you are.
Occupation is the ultimate terrorist act.
Let's get something straight here. Israel is the occupier and Palestine is the occupied. Steal their land, blockade their supplies, invade them, kill and maim them, impose a police state, sabotage their economy and THEN call them the terrorists...self-fulfilling prophecy if I ever heard one. You have not one leg to stand on here. Terrorism breeds terrorism. Israel has not only cornered the marked on chaos in Palestine, but throughout the region as well. Bloodshed is their middle name. They wrote the book on savagery.
No dear. Perhaps massacres turn you on, but they certainly do not make me giddy. Nobody twisted my arm when I formulated my opinions on this issue, since it is based on my own life experiences, just like yours are. Wanna talk monsters? From where I sit, those would be the Israeli population who sits idly by in their complicity and turn a blind eye to the moral outrage on which they base their nationalism. That's the only thing that burns me.
Israel kicks the holy heck out of itself every time it goes on another one of its bloody rampages. The whole rest of the world, with the exception of the US (whose motives are none too clean either) abhors this behavior and no amount of self-righteous indignation is going to change that fact. My other post already addressed the sheer folly of your suicide bomber reference.
This may come as a surprise to you, but the objective of Hamas missile fire is to bring attention of the world back to Palestine, the long forgotten and ignored, but as long as they are occupied, it is not that difficult to understand why they would like to blow Israel off the face of the earth. Since you are not in charge of Hamas militia, you hardly can pretend to be able to predict their future operations, except to parrot the endless propaganda you hear on US mainstream media.
As far as the Stone Age is concerned, Israel would like to think of itself as being all modern and civilized, but they can never join those ranks as long as they remain the occupying war criminals they have been since day one.
Even under occupation, Palestine hold democratic elections,
as do Turkey and Lebanon, and those countries do not occupy any other populations.
But it is not US land. nm
I believe in God. but you are in the la-la land...nm
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Oh of course....in the land where you are innocent if...
proven not guilty...you are seizing on poor judgment. Don't you think it is poor judgment to consort with terrorists and spend 20 years in an america-hating church? This is not bad judgment? McCain did not cost us anything. Keating, the one who perpetrated the financial debacle...is responsible for that loss.
Promised land...(sm)
Promised by who? A god that half of the world doesn't believe in? Sorry, that doesn't hold water.
cant have an economy without a healthy land
Frankly, you cant have an economy, if you have no livable land or healthy people. First and foremost is the land and it's people and animals. Without all of that, we will not have an economy. Funny how other industrialized countries are signing on..you know the countries who take care of their citizens with health care, paid maternity leave, paid vacation time..The caring countries..not the capitalistic class divided society of America. OMG, just in New Orleans now you can see who are the fortunate ones versus the unfortunate ones. The minorities are mostly all the unfortunate ones cause they could not afford to get out of town. They are the ones hurting and rebelling. This is the picture of America today. The *haves* and *have nots* and Bush continues to give to the *haves* and do nothing for the *have nots*.
Living in the land of Camelot
I have a hard time believing anyone alive during JFK's administration could still believe that fairytale. He most definitely was not one of the greatest leaders of all time.
But you're right about Obama inspiring millions in much the same way, and I certainly agree that he will be transformational.
Denial like this will land you in the same place
GOP needs to come to terms with where it went wrong, starting with a healthy dose of truth, washed down with a gallon of circumspection. Dems BTDT. If you need any pointers, just ask. BTW, it would be helpful for you to try the realize just which party the American people held responsible by taking another look at the election results.
It is as much Israeli as ALSO Palestinian land...nm
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Just like it wasn't British land....(sm)
when Britian decided to give it to the Jews.
For this you have to wait at least 3 years and 8 months , maybe 7 years and 8 mohths...nm
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Only in the land of Oz. Overthrow? It's called election.
So now he's plotting to kill or harm arou sovereign? No. Violation of allegience to covereign or state? No. Betrayal of trust or confidence; breach of faith (as in counter espionage). No. Treachery. No. Grasping at straws? Yes. Unable to win an election on the merits of your candidate and party platform? Most definitely. Paranoid and delusional? Classic.
He has been elected to the highest office in the land.
Your first clue might be global markets in the a.m. Watch them skyrocket.
And I remember the 1967 land grab
Why would anybody listen to someone who has ice water running through they veins, a black heart and mush for brains?
What land in Texas is even worth 'grabbing'?
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With Dr. Paul, everything is connected to the law of the land, the Constitution. sm
He does not personally condone drug use, but in the Constitution there is no authority that prohibits people from making personal choices.
Here is something more recent from him on that topic.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=40
You might want to research what those 8000 people did with that barren land....
From PW
This small piece of land has always been barren and squalid until 1967 when after the Arabs failed in yet another imperialist attempt to destroy the Jewish state, Israel took it over. Since then 8,000 brave pioneers have resided in a portion of Gaza. They settled in on infertile beach sand and were told by everyone that nothing had ever grown there and nothing ever would. Instead, what they accomplished was an agricultural miracle. Utilizing advanced technology which they invented, they made the sand blossom and built greenhouses that produce chemical-free bug-free organic produce that is shipped around the world and renown for its incredible quality and taste.
Now if a Muslim country had taken over this land they would have expelled all the 'infidels'. But the Jewish settlers came with garlands of peace, hope and opportunity. The greenhouses they built employ Palestinians at wages far higher than they would make under any Arab dictatorship, and have forged true bonds of harmony and friendship:
Saed, a 42-year-old greenhouse worker who commutes every day from Khan Yunis, said, For me, it's a really good life. I make enough money to feed my family. I am close with my bosses, who treat me with respect. I don't want to be out of a job. Fhaud, 63, a greenhouse supervisor, said he has grown attached to his Jewish employers. I've known my boss since he was a kid and I worked for his father, he said. Some workers here have known three generations of Jewish families. I was invited to all the bar mitzvahs and weddings. Mahmoud, who works in the same greenhouse, said, I don't want the disengagement to go through. Not just because I'll lose a job, but because I'll lose friends.
So Jews and Arabs working together, turning the desert green. In a sane world we would be commending these Jewish settlers for sowing real seeds of peace. Of course, this is not a sane world, for next week all this has to be dismantled and turned over to Islamic terrorists in the name of 'peace'. For the first time in world history a country is going to forcibly remove its own people and give land over to its sworn enemies.
So now that the poor Palestinians of Gaza are to be freed from their 'occupation', are they rejoicing in their independence and making plans to plow their energies into building communities and farms and schools and infrastructure? Are they preparing to serve as a model to the world that a country under Islamic law with a fresh start and no colonial 'imperialists' can succeed? Are they ready to turn their state into a free and prosperous Palestinian country?
At a mass rally in Gaza City last Thursday, some 10,000 Palestinians danced, sang, and chanted, Today Gaza, tomorrow Jerusalem. Jamal Abu Samhadaneh, commander of Gaza's Popular Resistance Committees, announced on Sunday, We will move our cells to the West Bank and warned that The withdrawal will not be complete without the West Bank and Jerusalem. The Palestinian Authority's Ahmed Qurei also asserts, Our march will stop only in Jerusalem. Meanwhile Hamas has officially announced that they will continue its war to destroy Israel by launching Qassam rockets at Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and communities in Judea and Samaria. We're sure they'll be making full use of their new seaport to import weapons and munitions to keep the carnage coming.
What's becoming clear is how the religion of Islam is addicted to war and mayhem. Not a radical minority, not a rogue sect, but its very essence is about submission and sacrifice and proving your worth by worshipping death in this life to gain a paradise of orgies and drunkenness. Their entire history is of warfare, and any accomplishments of their so-called Golden Age has been proven to be merely parasitic off the cultures they've conquered and reduced to dhimmi servitude. That every country under sharia is corrupt, belligerent, desolate and barbaric obviously gives them no pause, except to constantly drive them into further psychotic rage as they refuse to ever accept any responsibility for their conditions. They are akin to the powers in Orwell's 1984; there must always be an enemy. It's no surprise that women are treated like property in these countries as that's the only way Muslim men can feed their egos, to dominate others rather than ever actually produce something.
What a victory for these people that their terrorism has paid off, with Western intellectuals cheering them on. You can only wonder how many youth who have been brainwashed from birth in the madrassas and draped in their culture of bomb-worship and martyrdom will join the global jihad as it now appears they actually have a chance to win. While our soldiers at Guantanamo have to wear rubber gloves when handing out Korans, it's pretty reasonable for them to conclude that the West is ready to fall and the global caliphate is a real possibility. Israel's retreat from Gaza will certainly do wonders for their recruiting.
LoL! Must be changing of the guard in crasher-trasher land.
The solution is pretty simple. If you don't like the liberal sermon, then don't attend the liberal church.
Other than that, I couldn't care less what you think. Have a nice day.
Oh yeah, that is a qualification for the 2nd highest office in the land.
And pay off the debt the GOP created.
Obama lives in a fantasy land of his own making.
Unfortunately, he is also a gifted speaker and is leading many people down the yellow brick road to a magical make believe land. Too bad Obama can't see the big picture of anything.
Polls may not be accurate as pollsters call land...sm
lines and many people only have cell phones.
Your kind live in a fantasy land....too lazy to even
Sorry to disappoint you but I am independent. I have sat and watched posters like yourself who have absolutely nothing to prove false any facts proven on this board.
You are a bunch of sad desperate people. People like you have given democrats a bad name and have pulled the democratic party in the mud.
yeah, and I've got this land for sale in Florida..
A little naive. of course he is going to try to level the playing field. Perhaps you are the one misunderstanding.
Israel's "occupation" of their land is the most godly thing in the middle east.
Israel needs the help of no one. They will always prevail because they are backed by God -- the one true God. All those who come against the people of Israel will suffer loss. It is not out of fear that Israel arms itself, it is out of a deep understanding of their past, present, and future revealed to them by God. Israel is loved by God and hated by their muslim neighbors because of that fact.
There is no Palestine. As I said before, the palestinians are squatters. Claiming a land that never belong to them and never will be promised to them. Their name is not on the lease!
I know my history of the region. The land of Israel is the hands of its rightful owners.
The Palestinians have been given the opportunity in 1947 when the UN granted a mandate separating the land into two states. The palestinians rejected the mandate and launched a civil war that Israel quickly won and declared their independence. Then in 1948 Israel was invaded by Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan which Israel one as well. The palestinians were given their chance and decided on violence instead and they were the losers. That's how it cookie crumbles.
In 1973 once again Israel's angry neighbors tried to invade, the Yom Kippur war. Israel was winning that one too when a cease fire was called. The palestinians lost fair and square. They could peacefully have coexisted with the Israeli's but they continually reject any peaceful solution and send their suicide bombers. Let's not forge the Oslo Peace Process in the early 1990s where Israeli government once again extended the olive branch agreeing to the PLO to form an autonomous government if they could agree to coexist with Israel and recognize Israel's right to exist. The palestinians answer? To laung Intifada II against the Israelis. Once again, more violence perpetrated by the palestinians.
Finally, what about the Sharon's disengagement plan implemented in 2005? Israeli government removed civilian and military presence from the Gaza Strip as a gesture to the palestinians so they could no longer claim that Gaza was an occupied" territory. Even after that gesture, the palestinians have refused to recognize Israel.
The palestinians do not want peace with the Israelis. They will settle for no less than the total annihilation of Israel as a nation which is the what the entire Arab world wants.
Not quite- 2 years Catholic, 2 years Muslim. NM
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In 100 years, no one will that's for sure. NM
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Could be, he's never come on TV? Years ago maybe?
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oh, okay, but he followed him for 20 years!
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Which was 4 years ago....
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You were 16 years old once...
what if it was said about you, about your daughter if you had one....or about your mother when you were 16?.....come ON now. YOu know how vulnerable girls are at that age. That was a really really really LOW below the belt hit. Mean and nasty.
Except for the first 6 years.
In other words, 75% of the time. Even when they did, they didn't. It's kinda hard to advance a meaningful agenda when being subjected to the acid ink in the runaway veto pen.
I think it's because he's up in years
I also get the same impression, but to be realistic one must consider that she may become President if something were to happen to him.
what, are you now 2 years old?
i just have to roll my eyes sometimes.
Well, a few years ago when we had that...
stocket market tank (all though it did not last all that long) was enough for me...took my 401K money (not a huge amount, but I need it to be there) and put it in traditional IRA's that in federally insured bank. I am not young enough to let it build back up with stock market ups and downs. Younger folks a lot more years in the work force can wait for it to build back up (and it always has), but I can't take the risk.
I don't think small private banks are at risk.
It was much worse than this when Carter was in the White House and we managed to get through that...this too shall pass. A little saying I once heard seems to sum it up...."When one door closes, another opens, but it is he11 in the hallway for awhile." :)
The only way we'd get another 8 years is
if the dems are still in control against a pub president.
I heard the above comment in either an ad or in the debate itself and I almost flipped. You don't hear much about it yet, but it will come out sooner or later (and hopefully sooner).
Yes in in the last two years
the econmy took a dive. Gas prices rose and made the price of everything soar. That is what you get under democratic leadership.
I did years ago n/m
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That's over three years old......you just now
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For 2 years out of 8
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I'm sure you will be for the next 4 years
all the way to the bank with other people's hard earned money...
maybe in 100 years
Our kids will tell stories about us working six days a week, all hours of the day and night to stay at home with them. About how we had no health insurance, but somehow we managed to pay those hospital bills. How the mortgage broker tried to get us to refinance one more time, but we saw through the scam. How did we ever make a car payment for 5 years without going crazy? How we competed with workers in a virtual world and still managed to out produce them. Maybe they will think that we were pretty tough too. I think we are!
Just the first of many to come in the next 4 years....
sorry, I have to raise taxes; sorry, I have to continue the war in Iraq; sorry, I can't provide healthcare for everyone; sorry, I have to change the constitution; sorry, I can't keep any of the promises I made while campaigning; sorry, I have no experience dealing with terrorists, sorry, I fooled you into voting for me.
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