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Geez. I have seen several on this board say....

Posted By: sam on 2008-10-27
In Reply to: Well, sam, it seems that many of your admirers - lefty louie

not all Muslims were terrorists. Would have been a straightforward post had you not taken the lefty low road with the rest of the sheep will follow comment. And if you had been on the board for any length of time you would have seen many posts of mine where I have said not all Muslims are terrorists. However, with the exception of a couple of homegrown terrorists, ALL the terrorists who have attacked this country and attacked our interests and citizens abroad ARE Muslims...so I can understand a degree of paranoia with some. Don't agree with it, but can understand it.


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Geez....
right back at you, in spades.

Again, you never answered my question about is war ever justified? For any reason?

Children all over the world have no voice or very little voice. Fine. Should we just sit back and allow that to continue? I don't think so.

I never said a woman who had an abortion has no morals. I said I...me myself...I...believe abortion is morally wrong. If I...myself...made the choice to have an abortion that would be a morally wrong choice. Just like if I shot my neighbor. Morally wrong choice. If you shot your neighbor...morally wrong choice. When you lie...which we have all done...morally wrong choice. Does that mean we have no morals...no. Means we made a morally wrong choice. You are a very black and white person for a liberal. Generally liberals live in a world of gray.

It is no more a one-issue race for me than it is for you. YOU are one of the people you talk about. YOU would NEVER vote for a pro-life candidate. You need to take a long look in the mirror piglet.

I still wonder why you are so violently opposed to someone speaking for the child. Why on EARTH do you have such an issue with that?

Maybe it is NOT my business whether a woman has an abortion or not. What I think IS my business is that a child is killed in the process. And I feel that should be SOMEBODY's business. So sorry if that aggravates you. But will not stop me.

And how, in the name of all that is holy or NOT holy, can you say that abortion in any way, shape or form equals HUMANITY?

Geeezzzzz.
Oh geez....
conspiracy theories 101. Are you talking the Charlie Sheen version of "the truth?" sigh.
Geez. lol. nm
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Oh geez
Now that's gonna be the excuse huh? The machines flipped votes from O to McCain??? Get a grip people...I guess O will try absolutely anything to "win"..I envision another "Bush/Gore" episode after this election. I'am sure O will not lose with dignity...
geez, really
you know that was exactly what i was thinking!  as soon as  i saw my mistake i thought oh no, that lady is gonna crawl out from under her rock with her red pen!
Geez, ought to tell my son that.
Maybe DH can use that tactic. Nah. He's a pussycat most of the time. I guess I could aggravate him on a day of an interview about politics, but then his BP would go off the scale.
Oh, geez....
...now you've gone and told somebody what to do.  You know how people feel about that on this board!  Don't yell.  Don't tell me what to do.  Don't expect me to think. 
Ah, geez...
I got in so much trouble for posting the E word! 
So you and your buds bash us on *your* board and suddenly, once you reach this board,

some respect?


You publicly post on the other board that you *try not to visit the bog of eternal stench.*


Well, doesn't look like you are trying all that hard. Or is that another example of Conservative honesty, like your buddy on the other board lies 3 times before suddenly deciding to be *up front* (in her own words) about the whole bogus line of crap she was spouting.


You and your 2 friends don't respect anyone unless they're a member of your little club, think exactly as you think, belong to the same political party as you belong, and believe in the very same little narrow SUBsection of one particular religion.


That's what I interpret from YOUR WRITTEN WORDS.  Your posts don't show respect.  They only show twisted *facts*, ignorance, anger and hatred.


You can't be *respectful* on your own board but suddenly, when you come here - HERE - the place YOU call *the bog of eternal stench* you suddenly discover some respectability during your mouse click from there to here?


Please.  Some of us aren't as stupid as you think we are.


You're becoming quite a bore.  You and your friends stated you don't want us on your board, but you're not happy unless you're picking a fight.  You and your *gang* told us to leave and not to post on *your* board.  Maybe that should work both ways.


Out of ALL the problems with radical Conservatives, maybe the most annoying thing is that you don't believe in equality at all.  You believe in SUPERIORITY.  Somewhere along the line, someone made you think you were special and above everyone else.  Sheesh!  You're not happy unless you're dictating to everyone else in the country what they're allowed to do in their own personal lives regarding life, death, science, etc. You even think YOUR GOD IS BETTER than everyone else's.


You want to make the rules, censor people and tell them which boards they can and cannot post on, but YOU want to invade them all and spew your ignorance and hatred. 


In my heart, I believe there are sincere, honest, intelligent Conservatives out there who are capable of a sensible debate.  I've seen them.  (I hope you don't chase them away, too.)  But and your crew don't fall in that category, and this will be the last of your inane posts I will subject myself to.


Talk about stench. Just read your very own posts.


Can we bring the board back to the true reason for the board

Can we get the political board back to the true purpose of this board – to share opinions of why we like our candidate.  Not bash and cut down others because they don’t agree with you.


I stayed away from this board for the past couple days because anyone who had anything positive to say about Sarah Palin got slammed, bashed, kicked down, etc.  After awhile I found it all too draining, and was not seeing any reason to come.  Yes, I did see some of it towards people who favored Barack Obama, but if you read the posts again it is mostly towards anyone who favored Sarah Palin/John McCain.


I thought the political board was for posting information regarding politics and candidates.  What I have seen for the past few days is that it has been an attack board.  Especially if you have anything positive you want to share about Sarah Palin.  You say something good about her and you get attacked, you answer back, and you get attacked more, and then when you get mad and pretty much say stop attacking me, they come back with this “Geez, I’m allowed to have an opinion”.


Another thing I am tired of seeing is the slanderous, hate filled, really off the wall comments about Sarah Palin.  The latest was something about her daughter actually had her baby.  Talk about just bizarre comments.  I thought what’s next, she’s an alien from another planet?  The more I kept reading the more the comments were getting just really weird and bizarre.  Of course nobody ever having any proof of any of these allegations.  I then came to realize that the posters were just trying to get a fight going.


I also saw posts that had nothing to do with politics but attacking a poster named Sam.  Again, probably trying to get another fight going for no good reason and on things that have nothing to do whatsoever with politics.  I’ve read “Sam is like an annoying nat that you sway away”, “Sam, please let me know where you work” or “she must have her quota” or “sam is to the politics board as oracle is to the”  This childish rhetoric is getting old.  I’m not defending sam she is a big girl and I can see by her posts she can take care of herself, but my point is that this has nothing to do with politics.  If you want a fight maybe you could request that the administrator create a separate “fight and degrade” section.


I’ve read the administrators post a couple different times called Beware of Flaming.  She/he said as long as we realize that not everyone is going to agree we shouldn’t wear our feelings on our sleeves and a little more oversight on here would be good.  Let people express his or her opinion and move on.  If you don’t like someone just ignore that person. “It’s not rocket science, you know” (I liked that statement)


I consider posting on this board a privilege and not a right.  If you don’t agree with something and you post that you don’t agree and state the facts why (and are civilized about it) that’s one thing, but when you bash and degrade others without showing proof and just want to start fights and belittle others it just seems a bit juvenile to me.


I come to the politics board to hear ideas and stuff (facts) about the candidates.  That is how I’m learning about each one, but I don’t want to read people attack other posters for no good reason.  I'd like to hear about Obama/Biden & McCain/Palin, but I want to hear facts.


If you like to fight so much why don’t you pick on people that you can fight to face to face. 


Geez, what grossed me
was the thing with the little girl and the deer. What dark, lurid corners of his brain did this stuff come from? Yuck! And these people wag their fingers in our faces about morality? They need to look in the mirror.
Oh geez. The least you could do is get a new line...
you asked me that same question under a different moniker not long ago. At least get some new material. Geez! And as far as emailing you...not in this lifetime. I did that once...once burned, many time shy. You guys can get pretty hateful on this board, but a sailor could take lessons from you when you are uncensored...LOL Had enough of potty-mail all-tolerant liberals to last me a lifetime. And anybody knows you can have more than one email going to the same place. Geez. Get a new schtick. This one is oldddd.
Geez. No one is bashing you....
You post under both monikers and denied it for a long time, then finally admitted it. Not bashing, just the truth. And when I started posting as observer on the conservative board and liberal board when both existed, no one else was using that moniker and did not, and I did not know you had used it (yet ANOTHER one) before I started using it. No one said anything to me when I started using it, including YOU, until the issue was raised about Teddy/Taiga. So, you are the architect of fiction, not me. And as to portraying the truth...I suppose one must be able to recognize it. No synopsis to it, Teddy/Taiga. The truth, and no need to check the archives. You know and I know the truth, and anyone who has been posting and following this knows the truth too. What I don't understand is why you are making such a big deal about it. You posted using two monikers, denied you were doing so when confronted, and finally copped to it. It was not a big deal then and is not a big deal now.
Geez. You kill me....
however, I do like the moniker "spiteful little vixen." I may get stationery printed.

Good grief...you are the one exhibiting intolerance and hatred...yikes, someone must have spit in your post toasties this morning!!

You have slipped off the deep end, my friend. I don't know what cliches you mean, but if you are talking about the prayer at the top that was sincere...try to get hold of this, although your monster ego may not allow you to...there are OTHER posters here who live in South Texas or have family there, perhaps some I don't even know about, that was posted out of genuine concern and although I think you are several bricks shy of a load, I don't want to see you blown off the face of the earth, and whether you can get off your high horse down here to where there is enough air for your brain to work properly, I don't want illegals blown off the face of the earth either. I just want them to obey the law, come here legally, pay taxes like the rest of us and live happily ever after. And for that you want me tarred and feathered. Go figure.

And now that I have ascended to your level of sniping (thank you, I am learning much from you about verbal abuse), here's hoping I never do again...you have that area well covered.

What happened to that sabbatical? Gotta have the last word...sister, you got it. LOL. Signed, the spiteful little vixen....LOL
Geez. Of course I would be defending her....
her wealth has NOTHING to do with it. She is a first-time offender. You hate her because she is rich, that's obvious. I don't care how much money she has or does not have. She is a first offender. She should be treated like any other first offender. Barack Obama AND John McCain are for rehab, not incarceration, for first-time offenders. Neither of them tie it to wealth. Barack Obama is a millionaire. What if we were talking about Michelle Obama instead of Cindy McCain? You would be screaming at the top of your lungs to defend Michelle Obama and guess what...SO WOULD I. Even though I don't want her husband to be President and even though they are RICH. Your bias is showing.
Geez. Now you are using the hurricane...
the evening shift has arrived. Good evening! did you even look at the video of your dem buddy yucking it up? You don't have any moral high ground here.
Yeah...I be bad. Geez. lol. (nm)
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DOn't have to prove it....HE SAID IT. Geez...
did you read his letter? And I have been doing more research...you should too. This is not the end of the Saul Alinsky connection.
geez sally, is it also your god given right...sm
to be banned from posting on this web site? Because your heading that way. We'd be better off without you, but to be fair, why don't you just clean up your act?

There is a rule against profanity. You might want to look into that one, posted by the Moderators.




Beware of Flaming!! Moderation is Kept Minimum on this board. Posted By: Administration On: 2008-08-27
Reply by Email!

Before you start reading/making posts on politics board:

- Beware of Flamed messages & Flamers here.

- Politics board is moderated on a less-stringent level to allow freedom to express opinions related to issues discussed.

As long as we realize that not everyone is going to agree and we shouldn't wear our feelings on our sleeves, a little more oversight on here would be good. What we do not want to see is overzealous moderators that ban every thread that may be controversial on politics board.

If it's lewd, pornographic, slanderous, blatantly mean spirited, then that's one thing. Otherwise, let people express his or her opinion and move on. If you don't like someone, just ignore that person. It's not rocket science, you know?

Use the Golden Rule if all fails. Trolls are going to come over here from other sites/forums to irritate us. Once they see that no one replies to their senseless posts, they'll stop. Again, ignore them. It's easy!

Please don't see this sticky message as a license to flame, but as a license to open discussion.
Geez.... RANT ON!
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Geez....bigoted much????
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Geez, I had forgotten about that.....
sigh. Yet another reason Palin is better suited.
Geez. Well this speaks for itself. nm
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Geez, are you 5 years old?
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Geez. His name and his color mean nothing to me....
his politics and policies do.
geez louise..
That was a very classy thing to do say, huh? Nice to know my fellow MTs are such kind and humane individuals.
Geez.....Obama has a CAMPAIGN ad....
about issuing a windfall profits tax on oil companies (private profits, earned) and redistributing that to people as a freebie who did nothing to earn it. I didn't make that up. His campaign ad says it very clearly, in his own voice, and then it says "I am Barack Obama and I approved this message." An yes, they run the ad on Fox too, as well as most of the networks.

I have read his tax plan. What I didn't read is how he intends to pay for it. I would be asking the same questions if Hillary was running and saying the same things. But she isn't. He is.
geez. Look at your own time line...
Nagin asked that Bush declare an emergency. Bush declared an emergency. That's all Nagin asked for.

Bush tried to get Blanco to abrigate authority to the feds so they could do what they needed to do. Did you not listen to any of her press conferences where she said she was not going to do that? She was a Democrat, it was a Republican administration,. You do the math. You should at least be fair enough to distribute blame to ALL.
Oh geez -- my 401K is now LESS than half of
And the feds are now going to buy STOCK in failing companies with the bailout money.  Real intelligent.  Where's MY 'bailout' ?
geez. I am NOT trying to start trouble...
I am seriously, honestly asking what this means.  I didnt hear any audio and I dont live in Harlem and I am just curious what this means, if I am to take this how I THINK it sounds.  I do realize that I could be taking it wrong and so I am trying to reserve judgment until I know what it means. 
Geez...you guys are still ranting about the b/c?
The man ran for president.  He has more enemies than you can imagine.  If there was anything to this b/c thing, it would have already been run through the mill.  They can come up with the mess about his aunt who he barely knows, but they can't come up with some real dirt about the b/c?  Please get real.  You are grasping at straws.
Geez...where do you guys get this stuff?...(sm)

The middle east is simply hoping for a break from the Bush policies, as well as policies previous to Bush if the truth be known.  For example, the majority over there would like to see us quit pampering Israel (and rightly so, I might add).  They would like to see the US treating them like people instead of just putting in dictators that we like. 


Obama hasn't won these people over yet.  They are simply waiting to see what he does.  They understand the concept of actions speak louder than words.  So actually, they are just giving him a chance to show what he will do -- unlike pubs here in the states, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he has won them over.  He has a long way to go to get there.


Oh geez - are you still here? Yeah, same-sex marriage
this act was most likely done by a heterosexual male. And you know what? Sometimes the most heinous acts are committed by ultra-religious people. So your standard of 'morals' doesn't apply here. Get on the internet someday and look up how many sex offenders live in YOUR neighborhood, maybe even right next-door or across the street. Their offenses have nothing to do with what you think is the 'loose morals' of the country, it has to do with the mental illness of the perpetrator.

BTW - how old are you, anyway? 85? 95? 105? It seems like, in your mind anyway, you're living in a time that was more than a century ago.
Hey Geez Louise - why didn't you say this
when it was started up above. The Palin bashing is getting old....very very old. Last I knew Palin is not the president, she and McCain lost the election, and she is not the president, and as much as the democrats want this to happen so they can destroy her personal life more, she is not going to be running for president or VP in the next election. She'll be actively involved in politics, which she should be. She is a successful governor whether the democrats want to believe it or not, but why didn't you say "Enough with the garbage" when the OP was making an attempt to belittle her.

The statement that Palin is called the leader of the GOP party is about as priceless as saying Rush is the leader of the GOP party. Two of the most hated people on the democratic side. But it doesn't make it true.

However, unlike the OP statement which is not true, this statement about appointing people who don't pay their taxes it true.

Let's try to be a little fair here.
Geez, what garbage you spew, sm
Sorry for being so blunt, but what has he done to make you think he is the anti Christ? Today he stood up and said to the Muslim countries that their wives and daughters had just as much to contribute as their sons. He is not pandering to the Muslim countries. He is standing firm for equality. Do you have a problem with this? I am a Christian and I think that if the question were asked "what would Jesus say?", he would say "Job well done my son".
Your on the wrong board - you need to preach on the faith board
You just delivered a sermon (or quote). Either way it doesn't belong here. What does this have to do with politics. The democrat and republican party did not start up until after the 1800s. Socialism also wasn't created until the 1800s.

To me your post describes the way humans should treat other humans. This has nothing to do with politics - imho.

Because you posted on the Main board not Politics board.
It was removed, as we do not have an option of moving from Main to Politics.

This could have easily been avoided had you posted on the correct board.

The response from another poster to not post political viewpoints on this board was becuase you posted it on the Main board.
Oh geez..isnt that called *Heaven* ?
Oh geez, me  neither, Libby, me neither..but probably not in my life time.
LOL - geez, we're getting desperate, aren't we?

Geez....I repeat....Clinton had the exact same...
intelligence that Bush had...Bush inherited most of it from the CLinton administration along with Richard Clarke and George Tenet...and all the democrats were on board for it then, believed it then, LONG before Bush took office. That is fact. So if Bush lied, it is because Clinton lied first and Bush believed him. And one air force colonel is not going to change my mind on this. Do you have any sources but this colonel's book?

It is not weapons grade uranium, correct...yet. But it certainly could be enriched. Don't tell me Saddam kept 500 metric tons for peaceful purposes?

As far as the niger/yellowcake thing...Plame and her husband were right in the middle of that, and she claimed and it is documented that there was no evidence of yellowcake in Iraq at that time. Which we know is a lie, because they just exported 500 metric tons of it last week. So please...I don't buy what the Colonel is selling. You can if you like.

I do not dispute that abortion is legal in this country. I do dispute that the Supreme Court has the write to strike down a perfectly good state law and replace it with an "opinion." If you will check the constitution, it says only the congress can enact law. Not the Supreme court. Issue an opinion, yes. Strike down a law and replace it with the opinion of activist judges...no. It is unconstitutional and should be struck down. But then it would have to go to Congress to be voted into law, and so far congress has not been willing to legislate abortion. So activist judges did. They imposed their will on all of us. That is unconstitutional no matter how you look at it. Suppose conservative judges overturned Rowe vs. Wade, the same as liberal activist judges overturned the state law prohibiting abortion? Would you be as strongly behind that decision or would you be screaming you can't legislate from the bench like I am? LOL.

What is fact that in poll after poll after poll, over 50% of this country are against abortion. Those activist judges took the will of the people and said, basically, up yours, and forced their opinion on all of us. Unconstitutional, unfair, and so much for the majority will of the people.

You are right, it is not my choice. You speak for the right of the mother to choose, I speak for the right of the child to live...and I feel has as much right to life as any human being. Period. And I will fight for it, through legal channels, and hope that some day we may have a conservative majority to overturn Roe Vs. Wade and then put the question on state ballots where it belongs. Let the people decide, because Congress will not touch it with a 10-foot pole.

Geez, listen to ya. Morality is already legislated. We have laws against murder. We have laws against theft. We have laws against pornography. We have laws against child molestation. We have laws against rape. Hellooo....legislating morality. And you better be glad we DO legislate morality. What a statement...we can legislate morality when the American theocracy is established. Good grief!!! If it is all about choice, then why can't we choose to just take whatever we want, no matter who owns it. Why can't we just shoot people who annoy us or get in our way or hurt us. Why can't NAMBLA just grab up all the little boys they want? Because we legislate morality...that's why.

Good grief, we have laws against cruelty to animals, but it is okay to murder millions of babies in the name of "choice." Perhaps that all works in your mind...does not in mine.

As to Bush's contempt
Geez.....all that because I would like to stop the slaughter of the unborn....
and there is not a bit of that in you pile-on, ranting, screaming, judgmental zealots with poisonous, nauseating, self-important dreck for beliefs (mostly your words, I substituted one). Yep, persecution complex seems to have attacked you all en masse. Only it is not the world, it is one little poster named sam who you think is against YOU. Not you, come out of persecution palace. It is the act of abortion I am against. Way to personalize there in persecution palace. This more describes you, the pile on and try to silence the pro-lifer group. Which is exactly what makes people reject YOUR beliefs and ideology.
Geez...I am not a Repub...and I watch Fox so I can get both sides...
I am not going to get that from MSNBC, I am not going to get that from CNN, and I am certainly not going to get it from ABC, CBS, and NBC. You might want to back off the name calling a little bit...I could say the very same thing about MSNBC, CNN, BBC, and the other 3. You go there because they say what YOU want to hear and regularly bash conservatives. So admit it...as long as the bashing is of people you disagree with and you don't have to listen to any view but your own you are a happy camper. Just accept that you are the kettle and stop calling the pot black. :)
Geez. Well, just proved that the bottom of the barrel...
had not been reached until just now. What a nasty, sick comment.
Geez....so many points to counter, so little time...
You can't legislate morality. Uhh...yes you can. We have laws against murder, against stealing...legislating morality. Laws against rape and pedophilia...legislating morality. Laws against sex with minors...legislating morality. You HAVE to legislate morality or you have chaos. Good grief.

No, with sex reduced to "expression," encouraged in teens, multiple partners are fine, you don't even have to like the other person...you bet abstinence did not work. And believe me, it was not the bible-thumpin right you complain about that got us in this boat..so look in the mirror and point the finger. But now that we are here...just because something is not working now doesn't mean you can't present it. Not as the only option, but an option. For someone who hawks choice you really don't want to allow anyone else THEIR choice, do you?? So much for democracy. You need to change your party name.

Look how divisive Republicans are? Just because we don't want to lay down and let you shove "progressive ideas" down our throats? Well, if you look at morality today, you have not done such a great job with "choice" have you? except murder 1.2 million babies a year. yeah, you should all be high-fiving each other with a death toll greater than ALL the wars this country ha ever engaged in. High fives all around.

Palin does not want to take away birth control. She just CHOSE not to use it herself. Taking a pot shot at her daughter is just low. But what else would I expect?

Voting Republican IS in my best interests. Someone posted from the tax policy institute, an unbiased source, posted by a democrat, who looked at both candidate's tax policies.

Obama - will raise the middle income by 5% by 2012. Wants $60 billion to give tax cuts to the lowest income class...who ALREADY pay little or no taxes. And how does he want to pay for it? Tax the "rich"...and businesses making $250,000 will be hit by that. Those are NOT large corporations. THose are family businesses, small businesses, who employ thousands of we regular people. How does THAT make ANY kind of sense? That will only result in loss of jobs and more people in that lower bracket!! Which is EXACTLY what the DNC wants. More people on the welfare rolls...more people to control using class warfare. Right in your face and you can't see it.

MCCAIN: Proposes tax cuts for ALL classes and raising the take home pay for middle class by 3%.

Hmm...lemme see? 5% for middle class, more tax cuts for the ones who pay the least already, and tax the small family businesses in this country to pick up the tab...5% for middle class..further take the economy down...OR...tax cuts for EVERYONE and 3% boost in take home for middle class, protect the jobs that small businesses provide and keep those companies alive and on shore.

That is a no-brainer. McCain's plan is better for the country and for an
economy that needs a boost.

Bill Maher is an elitist and has no CLUE what my life is like. As to stupid...he also needs to look in the mirror and point the finger.

"Corporate America treats its employees like slaves. There is no compassion, just greed." Marxist theory, 101. Rampant socialism. And NOT at all true.

Sarah Palin was not born with a spoon in her mouth. She also worked to get where she is. The difference in her is she did not leave it behind her. She talks the talk AND walks the walk. She definitely knows what it is like to be on the ugly end of the stick...and is STILL close to that.

Obama, sending his kids to $10,000 camps...is not.
Geez, that is the first time I'm been labeled a psychopath

Just because I reported something truthful? Ya better watch the news. I've been called a red neck, bible totin' gunslinger or whatever I was called during the election phase, but never a psychopath. I guess I'll have to add psychopath to my resume.


All I'm doing is asking a simple questionable reason for this to be happening.  Don't need you're sarcasm.


Obama is smart enough to be capable enough to do both. geez-oy. nm
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Geez Louise, I'm sure glad I have someone who can explain what I mean. LOL
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Geez, Louise. "Race riots". Well, ya know what?
Race riots will seem tame in comparison with what very likely will happen if we lower income workers get saddled with another 4 years of republicans in the white house! There has been 'chatter' about both physical and financial destruction of our entire monetary system and ensuing anarchy if the folks in the middle and at the bottom of the earnings pecking order get kicked too many more times. That would be far more destructive to the country than a piddly little 'race riot', as you call it.
Geez. No. Get a grip. I was sincerely hoping...
that no one ever places you in the position you are placing these babies.


Geez sweetpea. Butt envy?? LOL. nm
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Yes, if he's poor, he won't be gay anymore. Geez, are you people serious?

Christians are making a statement, sending a message, when we choose not to spend our money on music by individuals who live in sin, when we refuse to patronize businesses that do not share our values and morals. 


I didn't realize it had to s-p-e-l-l things out for you intellectual elitists.  I'm shocked!