Geez. I thought we were talking about media reps
Posted By: on a final stretch campaign convoy...sm on 2008-10-31
In Reply to: No.....actually sm - MeMT
Apparently this subject STRETCHES all over the place to encompass unfounded smears, just as I suspected. O supporters all along have understood the nearly insurmountable challenges ANY candidate will be facing in the aftermath of W's scorched earth reign. No deadlines apply. All I expect is for him to do his best with it all and feel confident in trusting him to do just that.
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So you're saying the left controls the media? I thought the media produced the story.
I haven't seen or heard one thing blaming Obama's crew for this. Where can I read about the right aligning to attack the left? Where did you find this information? Or is this just your observation and opinion of things?
I wasn't talking about mainstream media....... sm
I was talking about this forum. Apparently you have not been around here for long.....or just chose to ignore the Bush Bash Fest that has been going on here.
Go ahead and kick back. Don't forget to get a refill on that kool-aid......you'll be needing it.
We were talking this board, I thought....
I do not remember seeing any posts on this board likening Michelle Obama to Louis Farrakhan...the only posts I have seen link Farrakhan to the church they went to for 20 years. I have seen no posts about the half brother other than one posted by a dem.
All that being said...and the point that was attempting to be made is that the announcement might have been made in a different way, had the far radical left not hit the internet with that ridiculous story about Bristol having the child and passing it off as her brother. THat was mean, hurtful rumor, and several here posted it and defended it. There have some right fringe stuff about Obama that could have been printed here, but I for one do not carry that kind of ... for lack of a better word...personal rumor not proven crap back to this board. To quote your candidate...I think we are better than that...or maybe...I wish.
"I thought not" (sm talking to herself later tonight after dancing.....nm)
I heard that too and thought he was talking about this country
Because he's saying they should do that, but yet he's not applying the same rules to the U.S.
Can we say...hipocrit. He needs to keep his mouth shut. I think he's changed his mind about three times. No wonder they are saying we are meddling. Oh, and then he says there is no difference between the two that were running against each other. Talk about speaking about something you are totally ignorant in. What's that saying from B. Franklin. - Better to keep one's mouth shut and appear foolish than to speak and remove all doubt". (not the exact words but I can't think of it right now.
Oh gt, you think all reps are liars.
I just heard on TV that all the reps from PA ...
voted no. Heard it on the local news. I also heard that it was many of the Democratic leadership that voted no...heads of committees. That is what leads me to believe that the Dems were not going to vote in majority by design...for the reason you said. They don't want to be in majority passing it because it is identified with Bush and if the bailout fails...there they are, supporting a failed Bush policy. Can't have that.
And Reps want the church to tell me what to do.
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Speaking of the media, let's take a poll who thinks the media has run amuck sm
and which ones do you think are the most ridiculous? Fox News, NYT, AP, Wash. Post, CNN, your choice.
Who do you think pays the salaries of the Sens and Reps?
Our tax dollars pay their salaries, so under Obama's thinking, we should be able to cap thier salaries. Think that's ever gonna happen? That's right, they just got a raise - so much for not being rewarded for failure.
I bet a lot of Dems and Reps won't be reelected this time.
Support your local moderates, whichever major party they might represent. And in this election cycle, please don't waste your vote on third party candidates who cannot win. Wasted votes will only serve to let the incumbents sneak back to Washington. After the entrenched power base has been broken up, third parties will have a better chance to make some gains in future elections.
I didn't say I wanted our reps to ignore the calls.
it appears that is what they are doing...ignoring the embittered partisan protests (the likes of which I took issue with in my original post) and hammering out a compromise. In other words, they are doing their jobs. i.e., coming up with something that will move us forward and float SOMETHING that will address the ECONOMY, not partisan interests. So no, your assumption that I am proud of this would be false and your indignation, misplaced.
David Ogden - please write or call your reps
Obama has picked a man called David Ogden to be deputy Attorney-General. Ogden has made his legal career from representing pornographers, trying to defeat child protection legislation and undermining family values. As reported this week, he once represented a group of library directors arguing against the Children's Internet Protection Act, which ordered libraries and schools receiving funding for the Internet to restrict access to obscene sites. And on behalf of several media groups, he successfully argued against a child pornography law that required publishers to verify and document the age of their models, which would have ensured these models were at least 18.
The Family Research Council has more examples of his contribution to upholding American and western values. In one such case, he expressed the view that abortion was less damaging to a woman than having children:
In sum, it is grossly misleading to tell a woman that abortion imposes possible detrimental psychological effects when the risks are negligible in most cases, when the evidence shows that she is more likely to experience feelings of relief and happiness, and when child-birth and child-rearing or adoption may pose concomitant (if not greater) risks or adverse psychological effects ...
In another, co-authored brief, he argued that it was an unconstitutional burden on 14-year old girls seeking an abortion for their parents to be notified -- because there was no difference between adults and mid-teens in their ability to grasp all the implications of such a decision:
There is no question that the right to secure an abortion is fundamental. By any objective standard, therefore, the decision to abort is one that a reasonable person, including a reasonable adolescent, could make. [E]mpirical studies have found few differences between minors aged 14-18 and adults in their understanding of information and their ability to think of options and consequences when asked to consider treatment-related decisions. These unvarying and highly significant findings indicate that with respect to the capacity to understand and reason logically, there is no qualitative or quantitative difference between minors in mid-adolescence, i.e., about 14-15 years of age, and adults.
I agree, and I have written to two of my reps, Whitehouse and Reed, what about you??....sm
I am not talking ideology here, I said I was a "traitor Democrat" jokingly because even though I carry the party affiliation with my in my voting records, I do not vote along straight party lines, and I can admit when my president does something wrong, unlike many others here. I want what is right for my country. why not give O a chance and find ways to help him see where changes have to be made, he has crossed over the aisle before, and plans to do so over his administration. We he be entirely successful? No one is giving him the chance or support to find out, everyone wants a genie in a bottle who will "POOF" make all those big bad problems disappear, erase all the wrong-doing of previous administrations (and Yes, that includes Bill Clinton at times), LET'S FOCUS ON THE PROBLEM AT HAND AND AT THE FUTURE.
My husband does just that. He is on the phone weekly with our sens and reps. state and federal. sm
Our congressment and senators et AL are on speed dial. If my husband has a beef or a question, he is on the phone letting them know (nicely of course) that they screwed up. But on the other hand he does call and tell them thank you when they do something right. One of the congressmen from Michigan voted no on the bailout. So he got a call from both of us. Same with the senator from Michigan who voted FOR the bailout. He got a call saying he has just lost 2 votes. We may be a minority, but the aides in those offices know who my husband is..and all he has to say is his first name. If you keep the heat on, hopefully things can change. Maybe not right away, but hopefully at some time. Just not in my lifetime I am afraid.
I just thought it might be nice to hear an original thought. sm
I guess I was reaching.
When McBush is talking, he isn't talking to you unless you are wealthy or CEO
who provides campaign funds. Do you know why lobbyists are making the headlines? Because they are bribing the politicians of both parties - lobbyists work for private interests (AIPAC) along with the pharmaceutical company ($280.00 for a bottle of pills? Only in America, folks), oil industry (record profits at your expense) credit card companies and unethical banking procedures (Funny isn't it how Visa wrote the reformed BK bill, making virtually everyone end up in ch 13 (garnishing income, including SS) after raising credit limits and offering transfer balances at 0 percent to everyone with a last name and a roof over their head? Along with mtgs that were bound to turn into bad loans when house prices dropped which they always do after a bubble. God, I could go on and on here but I get tired. The nation is in such trouble. Serious serious trouble. There is a huge loan to an unfriendly country (did you watch the Olympics? did you ever see Bush look more uncomfortable other than during the Stephen Colbert roast during the national press conference. lol.
Well I want you to know what fascism. And I want you to know that those treasury notes are backed up by the taxpayers (you) and real estate including roads and govt buildings and parks. Have you noticed why Save-Mart Center is owned by savemart and not a community business or the community itself? There is somethign happening slowly and surely and it is NOT going to benefit middle class america one iota. You must know that as a poor person, you have no power, no voice. Elections are rigged and the politicans cease to care whether you like them or not - oh wait, that has already happened.
THINK ABOUT THIS!!!! Your 401Ks and investments/assets are what at are stake!
Fascist governments nationalized key industries and made massive state investments. They also introduced price controls, wage controls and other types of Soviet-style economic planning measures.[12] Property rights and private initiative were contingent upon service to the state.[13].[14] Fascists promoted their ideology as a "third way" between capitalism and Marxian socialism.[15] Fascists in Germany and Italy claimed that they opposed reactionaries, and that they were actually revolutionary political movements that fused with conservative social values.
Talking to them is talking to a brick wall.
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Geez....
right back at you, in spades.
Again, you never answered my question about is war ever justified? For any reason?
Children all over the world have no voice or very little voice. Fine. Should we just sit back and allow that to continue? I don't think so.
I never said a woman who had an abortion has no morals. I said I...me myself...I...believe abortion is morally wrong. If I...myself...made the choice to have an abortion that would be a morally wrong choice. Just like if I shot my neighbor. Morally wrong choice. If you shot your neighbor...morally wrong choice. When you lie...which we have all done...morally wrong choice. Does that mean we have no morals...no. Means we made a morally wrong choice. You are a very black and white person for a liberal. Generally liberals live in a world of gray.
It is no more a one-issue race for me than it is for you. YOU are one of the people you talk about. YOU would NEVER vote for a pro-life candidate. You need to take a long look in the mirror piglet.
I still wonder why you are so violently opposed to someone speaking for the child. Why on EARTH do you have such an issue with that?
Maybe it is NOT my business whether a woman has an abortion or not. What I think IS my business is that a child is killed in the process. And I feel that should be SOMEBODY's business. So sorry if that aggravates you. But will not stop me.
And how, in the name of all that is holy or NOT holy, can you say that abortion in any way, shape or form equals HUMANITY?
Geeezzzzz.
Oh geez....
conspiracy theories 101. Are you talking the Charlie Sheen version of "the truth?" sigh.
Geez. lol. nm
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Oh geez
Now that's gonna be the excuse huh? The machines flipped votes from O to McCain??? Get a grip people...I guess O will try absolutely anything to "win"..I envision another "Bush/Gore" episode after this election. I'am sure O will not lose with dignity...
geez, really
you know that was exactly what i was thinking! as soon as i saw my mistake i thought oh no, that lady is gonna crawl out from under her rock with her red pen!
Geez, ought to tell my son that.
Maybe DH can use that tactic. Nah. He's a pussycat most of the time. I guess I could aggravate him on a day of an interview about politics, but then his BP would go off the scale. 
Oh, geez....
...now you've gone and told somebody what to do. You know how people feel about that on this board! Don't yell. Don't tell me what to do. Don't expect me to think.
Ah, geez...
I got in so much trouble for posting the E word!
Thought this was good so I thought I'd share
Down the drain? Beware of Obama's plan to 'spread the wealth around'
By Betsy Newmark
High School History and Government Teacher/Blogger
If the McCain campaign can’t use this Obama quote to raise doubts about his attitude towards wealth and success, then they deserve the shellacking they seem headed for.
“Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?” the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed “more and more for fulfilling the American dream.”
“It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,” Obama responded. “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Plumbers of the country, unite! Forget about the work and effort you put into building up a business or the scummy work that you do that many of us don’t know or don’t want to do. If you have succeeded, you should be willing to give up more of what you earn to help those who haven’t had the great good luck that you have had to be a successful plumber. Remember how Obama is going to give 95% of all of us a tax cut even though over 30% of the population doesn’t pay taxes?
He might call it a tax credit, but what he’s really doing is his vision of “spreading the wealth around.” It sounds a lot like Huey Long’s 1935 plan to “Share the Wealth.” And when he finds that he can’t tax the top 5% of the population to gain enough wealth to spread to the 95% of the rest of us, do you really think that he’ll stop with that 5%?
Remember…This is the guy who said in the ABC debate during the primary season that his approach to raising tax on capital gains is not based on whether it would provide more revenue but on his idea of what is fair:
GIBSON: All right. You have, however, said you would favor an increase in the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote, “I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton,” which was 28 percent. It’s now 15 percent. That’s almost a doubling, if you went to 28 percent.
But actually, Bill Clinton, in 1997, signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And George Bush has taken it down to 15 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.
So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?
OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.
Just what we need in these fragile economic times — a guy who wants to raise taxes because he thinks it’s a matter of “fairness” and time to “spread the wealth around.”
That will be some incentive for other plumbers who want to work hard and build up a successful business.
But don’t worry - according to Joe Biden, it’s the patriotic thing to do.
Haha! I thought I was the only one who thought he looked
Geez, what grossed me
was the thing with the little girl and the deer. What dark, lurid corners of his brain did this stuff come from? Yuck! And these people wag their fingers in our faces about morality? They need to look in the mirror.
Oh geez. The least you could do is get a new line...
you asked me that same question under a different moniker not long ago. At least get some new material. Geez! And as far as emailing you...not in this lifetime. I did that once...once burned, many time shy. You guys can get pretty hateful on this board, but a sailor could take lessons from you when you are uncensored...LOL Had enough of potty-mail all-tolerant liberals to last me a lifetime. And anybody knows you can have more than one email going to the same place. Geez. Get a new schtick. This one is oldddd.
Geez. No one is bashing you....
You post under both monikers and denied it for a long time, then finally admitted it. Not bashing, just the truth. And when I started posting as observer on the conservative board and liberal board when both existed, no one else was using that moniker and did not, and I did not know you had used it (yet ANOTHER one) before I started using it. No one said anything to me when I started using it, including YOU, until the issue was raised about Teddy/Taiga. So, you are the architect of fiction, not me. And as to portraying the truth...I suppose one must be able to recognize it. No synopsis to it, Teddy/Taiga. The truth, and no need to check the archives. You know and I know the truth, and anyone who has been posting and following this knows the truth too. What I don't understand is why you are making such a big deal about it. You posted using two monikers, denied you were doing so when confronted, and finally copped to it. It was not a big deal then and is not a big deal now.
Geez. You kill me....
however, I do like the moniker "spiteful little vixen." I may get stationery printed.
Good grief...you are the one exhibiting intolerance and hatred...yikes, someone must have spit in your post toasties this morning!!
You have slipped off the deep end, my friend. I don't know what cliches you mean, but if you are talking about the prayer at the top that was sincere...try to get hold of this, although your monster ego may not allow you to...there are OTHER posters here who live in South Texas or have family there, perhaps some I don't even know about, that was posted out of genuine concern and although I think you are several bricks shy of a load, I don't want to see you blown off the face of the earth, and whether you can get off your high horse down here to where there is enough air for your brain to work properly, I don't want illegals blown off the face of the earth either. I just want them to obey the law, come here legally, pay taxes like the rest of us and live happily ever after. And for that you want me tarred and feathered. Go figure.
And now that I have ascended to your level of sniping (thank you, I am learning much from you about verbal abuse), here's hoping I never do again...you have that area well covered.
What happened to that sabbatical? Gotta have the last word...sister, you got it. LOL. Signed, the spiteful little vixen....LOL
Geez. Of course I would be defending her....
her wealth has NOTHING to do with it. She is a first-time offender. You hate her because she is rich, that's obvious. I don't care how much money she has or does not have. She is a first offender. She should be treated like any other first offender. Barack Obama AND John McCain are for rehab, not incarceration, for first-time offenders. Neither of them tie it to wealth. Barack Obama is a millionaire. What if we were talking about Michelle Obama instead of Cindy McCain? You would be screaming at the top of your lungs to defend Michelle Obama and guess what...SO WOULD I. Even though I don't want her husband to be President and even though they are RICH. Your bias is showing.
Geez. Now you are using the hurricane...
the evening shift has arrived. Good evening! did you even look at the video of your dem buddy yucking it up? You don't have any moral high ground here.
Yeah...I be bad. Geez. lol. (nm)
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DOn't have to prove it....HE SAID IT. Geez...
did you read his letter? And I have been doing more research...you should too. This is not the end of the Saul Alinsky connection.
geez sally, is it also your god given right...sm
to be banned from posting on this web site? Because your heading that way. We'd be better off without you, but to be fair, why don't you just clean up your act?
There is a rule against profanity. You might want to look into that one, posted by the Moderators.
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Geez.... RANT ON!
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Geez....bigoted much????
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Geez, I had forgotten about that.....
sigh. Yet another reason Palin is better suited.
Geez. Well this speaks for itself. nm
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Geez, are you 5 years old?
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Geez. I have seen several on this board say....
not all Muslims were terrorists. Would have been a straightforward post had you not taken the lefty low road with the rest of the sheep will follow comment. And if you had been on the board for any length of time you would have seen many posts of mine where I have said not all Muslims are terrorists. However, with the exception of a couple of homegrown terrorists, ALL the terrorists who have attacked this country and attacked our interests and citizens abroad ARE Muslims...so I can understand a degree of paranoia with some. Don't agree with it, but can understand it.
Geez. His name and his color mean nothing to me....
his politics and policies do.
geez louise..
That was a very classy thing to do say, huh? Nice to know my fellow MTs are such kind and humane individuals.
Geez.....Obama has a CAMPAIGN ad....
about issuing a windfall profits tax on oil companies (private profits, earned) and redistributing that to people as a freebie who did nothing to earn it. I didn't make that up. His campaign ad says it very clearly, in his own voice, and then it says "I am Barack Obama and I approved this message." An yes, they run the ad on Fox too, as well as most of the networks.
I have read his tax plan. What I didn't read is how he intends to pay for it. I would be asking the same questions if Hillary was running and saying the same things. But she isn't. He is.
geez. Look at your own time line...
Nagin asked that Bush declare an emergency. Bush declared an emergency. That's all Nagin asked for.
Bush tried to get Blanco to abrigate authority to the feds so they could do what they needed to do. Did you not listen to any of her press conferences where she said she was not going to do that? She was a Democrat, it was a Republican administration,. You do the math. You should at least be fair enough to distribute blame to ALL.
Oh geez -- my 401K is now LESS than half of
And the feds are now going to buy STOCK in failing companies with the bailout money. Real intelligent. Where's MY 'bailout' ?
geez. I am NOT trying to start trouble...
I am seriously, honestly asking what this means. I didnt hear any audio and I dont live in Harlem and I am just curious what this means, if I am to take this how I THINK it sounds. I do realize that I could be taking it wrong and so I am trying to reserve judgment until I know what it means.
Geez...you guys are still ranting about the b/c?
The man ran for president. He has more enemies than you can imagine. If there was anything to this b/c thing, it would have already been run through the mill. They can come up with the mess about his aunt who he barely knows, but they can't come up with some real dirt about the b/c? Please get real. You are grasping at straws.
Geez...where do you guys get this stuff?...(sm)
The middle east is simply hoping for a break from the Bush policies, as well as policies previous to Bush if the truth be known. For example, the majority over there would like to see us quit pampering Israel (and rightly so, I might add). They would like to see the US treating them like people instead of just putting in dictators that we like.
Obama hasn't won these people over yet. They are simply waiting to see what he does. They understand the concept of actions speak louder than words. So actually, they are just giving him a chance to show what he will do -- unlike pubs here in the states, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he has won them over. He has a long way to go to get there.
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