Huh? Care to clarify this incoherence?
Posted By: Mc-Cain-speak translators don't work on Sunday. on 2008-10-19
In Reply to: Thank you! Any time! - Concerned Voter
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This kind of incoherence can be trashed
You don't have what it takes to debate political issues on their merits, but rather hide bedhind petty sarcasm, smirks and platitudes. You're no match for me. Get lost, loser.
Incoherence must be contagious in the McCain camp.
Isn't that interesting? Just how rested would you be after 3 weeks staight of 2 or 3 plane trips a day across the country and back again during a heated primary season? Being a nonsmoker is not a qualification for the presidency. Are you seriously trying to get political traction by reminding us how Obama lost his mom to ovarian cancer in her early 50's? Just how desperate are you guys anyway? You've been watching too much Hannity. By the way, how's that economic plan coming along out of the McCain camp these days? Mum's the word, it seems. The polls tell us just how well that is working for ya.
Incoherence is a contagious disease in McC camp
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Does anyone here speak McCain supporter incoherence?
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I see a pattern of hostile incoherence that has no earthly
Sounds like a lot of negative energy lost in space.
Let me clarify it for you.
.......hatred of Clinton, anything to do with Clinton. The mere mention of his name causes the bile to rise and the red mist to engulf them. They hate, hate, hate. They blame, blame, blame. It's what they do. There is no having conversations with them. They don't see reason. They don't see fairness. They see nothing but hate. I remember this very same venom directed at Clinton, for about 8 years.
I don't hate Bush. I hate what his administration has done to our country and I always say his administration because I do not believe his personal merits, whatever they are, are presidential. I believe Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove, the unholy trinity, serve as president. I have said and continue to say, Bush is just not good enough to be president. Hundreds of thousands of Americans do not have what it takes to be the President of the United States and George W. Bush he is one of them.
Let ME clarify....
in the same league... that is generalization...like a baseball league, a football league...covers a large number of people. I see equal meaning a more one on one comparison. Frankly, I do not consider you and Lurker equal. I see rather large differences both in personality (at least the personality displayed here), way of expressing yourselves, etc. She comes from a different point of view, and she is nowhere near as angry or condescending in her posting. It is merely an observation on my part, an opinion, because I have been on the receiving end of a lot of posts from both of you. In my mind, there is a big difference. So now we can stop beating this dead horse, shall we? Neither you nor Lurker give a tinker's darn what I think of you, so what does it matter? I only said it in the first place because you have invoked her a few times to make a point. I will not do so again. My opinion is my own and will remain the same until I see something to change it...I will just refrain from posting it.
Have a good day.
Just to clarify....
Here is one thing that I must clarify in your post. Obama didn't have his hand over his heart during the singing of the national anthem. He claims that during the pledge he does put his hand over his heart but was never taught to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.
Everything else you say....I agree with though.
Maybe this will clarify why ND responded that way.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-10-corruptstates_N.htm
Yes I read their comments about USA Today. The OP did analysis had very similar results. Here are a few more who beg to differ:
http://www.drudge.com/news/115767/nd-most-corrupt-state
http://minnesotaindependent.com/20089/most-corrupt-new-york-times-vindicates-north-dakota-sort-of
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2008/12/is_illinois_the_most_corrupt_s.html
http://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/louisiana-most-corrupt-state-in-the-us/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/jan/18/20040118-114320-9103r/
http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/1008-04.htm
I should clarify......thanks dems
for letting us pay for your retreat. People are losing jobs, houses, etc. and they feel the need to go to a friggin spa. Times are tough and sometimes you have to break tradition to save money. Personally, I think both pubs and dems should have just stayed in D.C. and had a little group meeting or maybe a pitch in dinner.....pay for it themselves. The pubs retreat was paid for by lobbyists and the dems retreat was paid for by taxpayers while they bragged about not having lobbyists at the retreat. I don't care if Obama just showed up.......if government really cared about us, like they claim to, they would put any spa retreats on hold and SAVE SOME MONEY FOR ONCE INSTEAD OF SPENDING IT FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!
To clarify...I'm an independent who
leans conservative. I don't care for either far left or far right. I think that there are nut jobs in both extremes.
There are many things that run through my head when I think of President Obama. To me, Obama is too far left for my taste.
Some things that we should do right away is get the heck out of the middle east. Use our troops in rotation to guard our border with Mexico. Honestly, if we would keep our nose out of the middle east's business, maybe they would just keep fighting amongst themselves and we would have less to worry about. I know that sounds horrible, but there has been fighting in that region since the beginning of time. No amount of money we spend is going to change that. We need to worry more about our problems at home including illegal immigrants. They are costing us WAY too much money per year.
I do not want big government. I do not feel that government should have to bail us out. I believe that government created this problem allowing bad loans to be given out to people who couldn't afford to pay them. However, I feel that these "programs" that Obama wants to enforce really won't help the middle class he professes to be looking out for. Bigger government and more government programs does nothing more than promote and reward irresponsibility and laziness. Our coutry cannot afford to continually bail banks, companies, and people out. We have no money. China won't even help us out any more....not that I really like the idea of getting money from China...but you get my point.
What I want is for government to stop handing out and stop spending money it doesn't have. Get rid of our tax code and have a flat tax for everyone. You pay more based on the more you earn. That way it closes loopholes for crooks so they don't have to pay their taxes or they "make a mistake" and don't pay their taxes.
I'm tired of packages filled with pork and I'm pointing fingers at both dems and pubs on this one as both parties are guilty. Get rid of the pork and the pet projects.
The idea of Obama wanting to do away with secret ballots in union votes....I totally disagree with. Why shouldn't they continue to be secret? Making that information known just gives unions the chance to bully people and that isn't looking out for employees like the unions claim to do.....even though it is proven that unionized states show less production and less job growth than states without unions.
Bigger government also scares me because obviously politicians are too crooked....how can we trust them to run everything in this country.
We also need to reform welfare. I was truly upset when I heard Obama wanted to get rid of the reform that Clinton had done on welfare. We need some regulations and limitations to our welfare system.
I do not have much hope in change. So far all I see are the same old cronies that were in Washington before. We have too many crooked politicians and too many people giving money to them in order to get them elected so they have a puppet in Washington to do their bidding.
Just to clarify, Hannibal.
I am not the poster who apologized to you and asked you not to go. Judging by the length of your rambling post, you never had any intention of leaving anyway.
To clarify your misguided attempt
I am not a republican, I do not care for Hannity, and I don't particularly care for McCain either. As far as Obama, I know a skunk when I smell one.....
Sorry to pop your bubble.
Just to clarify, inciting one is a felony. sm
That would include just warning people to get their money out. They warn us about this in discussions we have in finance forums.
Washington Mutual was limiting or refusing withdrawals to depositors. I am not leaving my money in the bank, only enough to keep the account open. I do not want them making money off me. For every $1,000 you leave in the bank, they create $10,000 in credit, and debt is our biggest problem.
And to clarify...I did not insinuate that the new Prez...
has to respond NOW and neither did Russia. They just threw down the gauntlet. It is up to him how and when he responds.
As to communism...there is no "authority" required for an opinion. Obama has been influenced by Marxists throughout his life...first Frank Marshall Davis, followed by the Marxist professors and students he said in his book he sought out....followed by Bill Ayers...that he taught and used the Saul Alinsky method community organizing..and on and on. The influence is there. Karl Marx said socialism was a start but it did not go far enough because it did not address redistribution of wealth. We know where Obama stands on redistribution of wealth. Everything he has been and everything he says tells me he thinks he can make it work and very well may attempt to in this country. They had a Marxist revolution in Russia. We see how that turned out. They had a Marxist revolution in Cuba. We see how that turned out. So far they are just socialist in Venezuela, but we see how that turned out. There will have to be no revolution here, because our new Prez and apparently 51% of the American people think it will work too. We may very well be the USSA...or worse, the UCSA. Taken over from within without having to fire a shot. THAT is what I meant about communism, and it is a far statement based on Obama's entire history from childhood into adulthood. I have no reason to think he is turning from that now. I will wait and see, of course. But just because he won does not mean I will change everything I want and believe overnight...just like I think he will not change everything he has thought and believed throughout his life. I think it is very naive to ignore that and think that he somehow has.
Again...this has nothing whatsoever to do with Bush. I don't care what Bush does; he's gone. What I care about is the man with the power for the next 4 years.
Just to clarify, I like Palin and am not the same Kendra as above...
I just quit posting on here because I get too irritated with people like my namesake here.
Just to clarify - this is for infants who were actually born .
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Well you didn't clarify a single thing,
just restated your point all over again. Which I still don't understand. Never mind. 
to clarify - the baby's safety is the first thing I thought of that was worrisome..
it appeared tacky to me to use the baby in such a way. When I re-read my post I guess it could have been taken differently than it was meant. anywho - it is not a choice I would have made as a mother...
who could possibly care? War, financial ruin, health care needs.
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to clarify - NO to fed laws superseding laws of State of California against voters
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Well, I care. I also care about the constitution.nm
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I don't really care. sm
It just seems it has been carried on long enough. I would rather just debate. It sounds more like a grudge, but as I said, just my 2 cents.
I don't really care!!! SM
All of you all need to stay over here and try and find some topics to discuss like is happening tonight.
Do you think I care what you think of me? sm
Get over yourself. Grow up. Learn how to behave on an adult chat board. Stop lying. You are such a liar. I mean, lying all over the place. It's really terrible. You need help.
How does it feel?
I don't care about that. sm
That is insignificant to what is going on in the world right now.
I don't care either
Just pointing out what a fool you are making of yourself in talking about things you have absolutely no clue about, but if it's a fool you want to be so be it. At least you're a good source of laughs for those of us living in reality.
Liberal church--that's an oxymoron isn't it?
Man, that was very Coulter of me.
And I care...not! nm
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why do you even care?
Would you prefer to punish the child she is carrying by offering no prenatal care? Would you sleep better if that woman went back to Mexico where her baby will receive no care at all? Did you ever stop to think that someone in your family was once an immigrant? Illegals don't pay taxes? If they work, they have taxes taken out of of their check and that is free money to the government that they are not eligible to ever collect once they are old.
Republicans are going to want to keep the illegals here to benefit big business (cheap labor) and democrats are going to want to help them, so either way, nothing will be done.
Why do I care?
You know why I care? Because me along with my husband work our a**** off to make it. When I got accidentally pregnant at the age of 20 and had no ins. do you think Medicaid paid for me to have my baby? NO!! I didn't qualify because my husband made too much and believe me you don't have to make much to make TOO much. Well we worked our asses off and took on the responsibility for what had happened and paid for our baby. Nobody GAVE me nothing! And I am a citizen here. She does nothing but milks the system. And no taxes are not held out of her check where she works. I guess it is called contract labor. I don't know. She is ILLEGAL! Why hasn't she been shipped back to MEXICO? Our country is having to close hospitals because of people like HER!! That is why I care. Our country is going to h*** in a hurry. And it is people like you who say well what about prenatal care for the poor little illegal Mexican? If I hadn't had the money to pay for my prenatal care, guess what? I wouldn't have had any. It is not our country's responsibility to take care of every 3rd world person who comes over here for their handout. We have American citizens who can't even get benefits when truth be known some do need them. They can't get them but you let a d*** illegal Mexican stroll up in there and the world stops to kiss their a**. Hundreds of years ago someone in my family was an immigrant but they didn't sneak and scam to get what they had. They worked and did it the right way.
Cheap labor? What do you mean cheap labor?? These illegals come over here and they don't want our cheap jobs, they want the good ones Americans need. Makes my blood boil!
I should care what you think?
Not in the slightest. I don't care that you think I'm ignorant and I don't care if you don't like my posts.
Then why do you think any of us care what
?
I don't care what you think....sm
But some intelligent posters (on both sides) do care what the military on the ground, over in Iraq and Afgahanistan, how they truly think and feel.
Not just what the media feeds you.
I care what the troops on the ground, themselves, think and feel.
And let me say again...No....I don't care what you think, as obviously you don't think much at all. All you do is attack.
Kaydie was right. All that a couple of you of you dems on this do is attack, attack, attack....what children you are.
still don't care
just because she is on the committee of anything, doesn't make her opinion any better than mine.
I care very much for how this came to be. sm
To be able to fix this, we need to understand where it started, who started it, who continued it, who tried to fix it but were stopped (I think it was 12 times Bush tried to pass legislation to help, and dems shot him down each time...but no, we don't hear about that, do we), it's important which candidates now had a hand in it, which ones still do, which ones are blaming the wrong people.
It goes on and on.
Give me Republican names that contributed to this, and I will condemn them just as much. Give me Republican names of CEOs and fat cats on Wall Street who perpetuated this fraud, and I care if they did.
The truth is, there are a few Republicans that stood in the way, as well, but the dems far outweigh them, and when they had many, many changes to fix this before it occurred, they did nothing to help it.
And just today, the main players in this mess, Sen. Dodd et al., pontificate and blast everyone but themselves in a Senate haring, when they are the very ones, on the very committees and oversight, that did next to nothing, except line their own pockets.
That to me, is a disgrace, and disgusting.
Yes, I care very, very much about who did this, and how it happened. It matters.
And the only thing that will be remembered, is that it happened under Bush, and he will be blamed for all of it.
The dems will be given a free pass, yet again.
And we care what you think?
I care what everybody thinks, that's how I learn. Unfortunately, I think your thinking is wrong, nothing wrong with disagreeing. Obama needs to be honest about his past, his entire past, and everything he has had his hands in. Something is not right with him.
whatever you say. i could care less what you think.
I know what I know, and that's good enough for me. I do get tired of the race card being dropped constantly. I'm Italian, & my kin were treated horribly for many years. I never heard them crying "racism."
My closest girlfriend is a Jew, and she says Obama is anti-semetic. I believe it, too. But she doesn't go around crying in her milk. It is what it is. Check out frontpagemag.com. David Horowitz has been treated horribly, esp. since he went from being D to R.
Get over it, already.
Sam, try as you may, they don't care.
I have posted almost ver batim what you just posted and they never have anything to say back. They just start going on about Palin this and Palin that or some ridiculous stuff they just heard on their TV.
They just don't get that Obama will run what businesses we have overseas, which is where he really wants them. That way he will have government run businesses and can take over everything for us, the poor little citizens. They don't get that the average businesses will go under, including the very ones who employ their family members because they will not be able to afford all the MANDATES and policies Obama will stuff down their throat. They will lay off people by the thousands and the unemployment rate will soar, but they just don't get it.
They hear "free money" and they actually believe all that money will come from BIG businesses, those RICH HORRIBLE BUSINESSES that employ everyone. Those businesses will go overseas to where they don't pay high taxes or the ones that do stay will just pass on their higher taxes to us, who in essence will be paying the taxes for them.
They just don't get it!
I don't really care
if he is from Mars, he is wrong for this country wherever he is from
I really don't care how many or how much -
I do not want to spend my money helping somebody else sit on their butt, while I am sitting on mine trying my darndest to make a living and barely getting by - I am tired of bailing out everybody because they did not make good decisions!
The only bad decision I made was to become a transcriptionist. While my job is going downhill, I am going to school to be able to do something else and not sitting on my butt for 2 or more years drawing a check for doing nothing - I am taking care of myself. Those auto workers can do the same darn thing!!!
I don't have enough money to keep giving to other people to get by - I need it myself!
I don't care if its before or after
Since its a little late in the game (he should have been impeached a long time ago) I don't care if he is impeached now or if he is arrested for war crimes after he leaves office. The boy needs to go to jail and pay for what he did. But you are right, there are more pressing issues on our plate.
Bill Clinton was impeached. He truly truly deserved to be impeached. He lied to the American people (forget the Lewinski issue - I could care less about her). He lied to us. Sat there in front of the camera and lied. And he lied to the congress. Lied under oath. How can you trust a leader or commander in chief who lies?
As for the dems not holding grudges. You are lumping them all into one category. Some don't hold grudges and others do. Just like conservatives. Some hold grudges and some don't. It's not right to praise one group and say they are all angels while people demonize everyone on the other side (both sides do this).
I think if in the future children are asked to write a paper listing all the reasons Bush qualified for impeachment, they better start at the beginning of the term because its going to take the whole term to finish the paper. However, hopefully their paper will be titled "Why Bush should have been impeached but jailed instead after leaving office".
I care. If he gets away with it, then let's just have
his sons then run for President of the US. Heck, let's just have everyone run for President of the US.
I do care, BUT..
It doesn't seem logical to me that he could have come as far as he has in the political process if his origin of birth was truly in question. The abstract I saw of his BC on the Internet didn't look particularly official, but it hardly proves anything one way or the other.
I agree that SOMEONE would have brought the truth to light a long time ago if there was any question of his being legally eligible to become prez.
I think we're grasping at straws here.
I Care
I care because Bristol Palin and the baby daddy were used as props by the GOP and the McCain campaign, and that makes them fair game. They lied about their getting married, and I'm just waiting to see what else they lied about.
What you should care about,,,
Instead of crucifying a teenage girl for making a mistake thousands of other teenage girls make every year, why don't you spend a little time finding out what lies Obama spread on the campaign trail like so many truckloads of manure?
Or are you more interested in tabloid fodder than truth?
Yeah. I thought so.
He does not have to care
He was never in the military and has no experience, unlike Bush and McCain.
Do you really think they care?
It is not like losing you as an investor is going to matter one iota to anyone on Wall Street.
I don't care who you are
the brown envelope post was funny! Lighten up!
I could care less what either of them look like...(sm)
But I do think that Hillary is doing an awesome job as Sec of State!!
Not that they care...
....'We keep you alive to row this ship. So row well, and live.' (Roman general on the galley to Heston in Ben Hur.)
For those that care..........
Thank goodness for Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) who wants to add an amendment to the constitution to protect parents' rights. If you understand what Obama wants for your children, then you better listen up folks! This is a doozy! Obama now thinks the United Nations should decide what "rights" your child has, not the parents' rights over their child, but the child..... oh yea, for those that are wondering, Obama has already said he thinks it's a great idea that the UN should have the right to interfere in our "sovereign" country's rights to tell us how to raise our children.
For all those that think Obama is wonderful, you think the United Nations should tell you how to "not" take care of your child? And for you that care, Obama thinks it is "embarrassing" that we have not jumped on that bandwagon yet and of course, "he" will "review this", which means your rights as a parent will be gone. The United Nations will decide for you how to raise your child.
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