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I should clarify......thanks dems

Posted By: Chele on 2009-02-06
In Reply to: I don't understand how you can blame Obama for the retreat? - Amanda

for letting us pay for your retreat.  People are losing jobs, houses, etc. and they feel the need to go to a friggin spa.  Times are tough and sometimes you have to break tradition to save money.  Personally, I think both pubs and dems should have just stayed in D.C. and had a little group meeting or maybe a pitch in dinner.....pay for it themselves.  The pubs retreat was paid for by lobbyists and the dems retreat was paid for by taxpayers while they bragged about not having lobbyists at the retreat.  I don't care if Obama just showed up.......if government really cared about us, like they claim to, they would put any spa retreats on hold and SAVE SOME MONEY FOR ONCE INSTEAD OF SPENDING IT FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!


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Let me clarify it for you.

.......hatred of  Clinton, anything to do with Clinton. The mere mention of his name causes the bile to rise and the red mist to engulf them.  They hate, hate, hate.  They blame, blame, blame. It's what they do.  There is no having conversations with them.  They don't see reason. They don't see fairness.  They see nothing but hate.  I remember this very same venom directed at Clinton, for about 8 years.


I don't hate Bush. I hate what his administration has done to our country and I always say his administration because I do not believe his personal merits, whatever they are, are  presidential. I believe Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove, the unholy trinity, serve as president. I have said and continue to say, Bush is just not good enough to be president. Hundreds of thousands of Americans do not have what it takes to be the President of the United States and George W. Bush he is one of them. 


Let ME clarify....
in the same league... that is generalization...like a baseball league, a football league...covers a large number of people. I see equal meaning a more one on one comparison. Frankly, I do not consider you and Lurker equal. I see rather large differences both in personality (at least the personality displayed here), way of expressing yourselves, etc. She comes from a different point of view, and she is nowhere near as angry or condescending in her posting. It is merely an observation on my part, an opinion, because I have been on the receiving end of a lot of posts from both of you. In my mind, there is a big difference. So now we can stop beating this dead horse, shall we? Neither you nor Lurker give a tinker's darn what I think of you, so what does it matter? I only said it in the first place because you have invoked her a few times to make a point. I will not do so again. My opinion is my own and will remain the same until I see something to change it...I will just refrain from posting it.

Have a good day.
Just to clarify....

Here is one thing that I must clarify in your post.  Obama didn't have his hand over his heart during the singing of the national anthem.  He claims that during the pledge he does put his hand over his heart but was never taught to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.


Everything else you say....I agree with though. 


Maybe this will clarify why ND responded that way.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-10-corruptstates_N.htm

Yes I read their comments about USA Today. The OP did analysis had very similar results. Here are a few more who beg to differ:

http://www.drudge.com/news/115767/nd-most-corrupt-state

http://minnesotaindependent.com/20089/most-corrupt-new-york-times-vindicates-north-dakota-sort-of

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2008/12/is_illinois_the_most_corrupt_s.html

http://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/louisiana-most-corrupt-state-in-the-us/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/jan/18/20040118-114320-9103r/

http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/1008-04.htm



To clarify...I'm an independent who

leans conservative.  I don't care for either far left or far right.  I think that there are nut jobs in both extremes.


There are many things that run through my head when I think of President Obama.  To me, Obama is too far left for my taste. 


Some things that we should do right away is get the heck out of the middle east.  Use our troops in rotation to guard our border with Mexico.  Honestly, if we would keep our nose out of the middle east's business, maybe they would just keep fighting amongst themselves and we would have less to worry about.  I know that sounds horrible, but there has been fighting in that region since the beginning of time.  No amount of money we spend is going to change that.  We need to worry more about our problems at home including illegal immigrants.  They are costing us WAY too much money per year.


I do not want big government.  I do not feel that government should have to bail us out.  I believe that government created this problem allowing bad loans to be given out to people who couldn't afford to pay them.  However, I feel that these "programs" that Obama wants to enforce really won't help the middle class he professes to be looking out for.  Bigger government and more government programs does nothing more than promote and reward irresponsibility and laziness.  Our coutry cannot afford to continually bail banks, companies, and people out.  We have no money.  China won't even help us out any more....not that I really like the idea of getting money from China...but you get my point.


What I want is for government to stop handing out and stop spending money it doesn't have.  Get rid of our tax code and have a flat tax for everyone.  You pay more based on the more you earn.  That way it closes loopholes for crooks so they don't have to pay their taxes or they "make a mistake" and don't pay their taxes. 


I'm tired of packages filled with pork and I'm pointing fingers at both dems and pubs on this one as both parties are guilty.  Get rid of the pork and the pet projects. 


The idea of Obama wanting to do away with secret ballots in union votes....I totally disagree with.  Why shouldn't they continue to be secret?  Making that information known just gives unions the chance to bully people and that isn't looking out for employees like the unions claim to do.....even though it is proven that unionized states show less production and less job growth than states without unions. 


Bigger government also scares me because obviously politicians are too crooked....how can we trust them to run everything in this country. 


We also need to reform welfare.  I was truly upset when I heard Obama wanted to get rid of the reform that Clinton had done on welfare.  We need some regulations and limitations to our welfare system. 


I do not have much hope in change.  So far all I see are the same old cronies that were in Washington before.  We have too many crooked politicians and too many people giving money to them in order to get them elected so they have a puppet in Washington to do their bidding.


Just to clarify, Hannibal.
I am not the poster who apologized to you and asked you not to go. Judging by the length of your rambling post, you never had any intention of leaving anyway.
To clarify your misguided attempt
I am not a republican, I do not care for Hannity, and I don't particularly care for McCain either. As far as Obama, I know a skunk when I smell one.....

Sorry to pop your bubble.
Just to clarify, inciting one is a felony. sm
That would include just warning people to get their money out. They warn us about this in discussions we have in finance forums.

Washington Mutual was limiting or refusing withdrawals to depositors. I am not leaving my money in the bank, only enough to keep the account open. I do not want them making money off me. For every $1,000 you leave in the bank, they create $10,000 in credit, and debt is our biggest problem.
Huh? Care to clarify this incoherence?
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And to clarify...I did not insinuate that the new Prez...
has to respond NOW and neither did Russia. They just threw down the gauntlet. It is up to him how and when he responds.

As to communism...there is no "authority" required for an opinion. Obama has been influenced by Marxists throughout his life...first Frank Marshall Davis, followed by the Marxist professors and students he said in his book he sought out....followed by Bill Ayers...that he taught and used the Saul Alinsky method community organizing..and on and on. The influence is there. Karl Marx said socialism was a start but it did not go far enough because it did not address redistribution of wealth. We know where Obama stands on redistribution of wealth. Everything he has been and everything he says tells me he thinks he can make it work and very well may attempt to in this country. They had a Marxist revolution in Russia. We see how that turned out. They had a Marxist revolution in Cuba. We see how that turned out. So far they are just socialist in Venezuela, but we see how that turned out. There will have to be no revolution here, because our new Prez and apparently 51% of the American people think it will work too. We may very well be the USSA...or worse, the UCSA. Taken over from within without having to fire a shot. THAT is what I meant about communism, and it is a far statement based on Obama's entire history from childhood into adulthood. I have no reason to think he is turning from that now. I will wait and see, of course. But just because he won does not mean I will change everything I want and believe overnight...just like I think he will not change everything he has thought and believed throughout his life. I think it is very naive to ignore that and think that he somehow has.

Again...this has nothing whatsoever to do with Bush. I don't care what Bush does; he's gone. What I care about is the man with the power for the next 4 years.
Just to clarify, I like Palin and am not the same Kendra as above...
I just quit posting on here because I get too irritated with people like my namesake here.
Just to clarify - this is for infants who were actually born .
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Well you didn't clarify a single thing,
just restated your point all over again.  Which I still don't understand.  Never mind.
to clarify - the baby's safety is the first thing I thought of that was worrisome..
it appeared tacky to me to use the baby in such a way. When I re-read my post I guess it could have been taken differently than it was meant. anywho - it is not a choice I would have made as a mother...
to clarify - NO to fed laws superseding laws of State of California against voters
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Dems took over?

This really confuses me.  It's my understanding that the Dems STILL haven't taken over.  They need 60 in the Senate in order to prevent a fillibuster, and as I write this, the Republicans (still in control) are threatening to fillibuster the proposed auto maker bailout/loan legislation.  Since the Democrats DO NOT have the majority they need, the Republicans may very well do that.


So please explain to me how the Democrats are in control because I keep seeing this and truly don't understand how that is.


Not trying to start an argument or stir anything up.  I truly don't "get it."


I'm not sure that the dems really

like Bill being interviewed a lot.  LOL!  He is rather obvious that he is only saying Obama because he is following his political party and that he truly doesn't want Obama as president. 


Oh well....for whatever reason Bill said what he did.....it is still nice to hear someone admiring both candidates, saying they are both ready to be president, and not cutting down one party or the other. It was a nice change for once.


I have never seen anything like this. Dems really are
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It's been the Dems all along...
Congress is DEMOCRATS you know.  The president...Bush now...and O in the future...does not have absolute power! Gah, how hard is that to understand???  But now with a Dem pres and a Dem government...we are all screwed!
That's the dems M.O.
Destroy anyone that gets in their way. I have not found any of the politicans to show they care about the people that make a difference in this country. If anyone steps in, asks questions or tries to get to the truth of the matter their lives are destroyed.
11 dems were (NM)
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11 dems were (NM)
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But the Dems would have you believe..........sm
from the cheering teams in Indiana to the crowds in Ft. Meyerss (some of whom did not get in, despite being very close to the front of the line) that the whole nation is in favor of this, that we are all ready to sink another another trillion in debt.
I wonder how many of the dems have
read it? Oh, it doesn't matter, they are going to vote for it anyway, the king has spoken!
Dems
If it this thing doesn't work (which it won't) the dems better start grabbing theirs...
Where are all the sensible Dems?

They fight and carry on just as much as the pubs. They are like children, too. Don't forget, they put a lot of pork in these bills and then cry when the pubs vote against it.


No matter what you say, neither party is working for the people. It's time to vote them all out.


And you don't think the dems would do the same?
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That's what I like about some Dems...
soooo classy. And you have the nerve to defame rednecks...LOL. ;)
No - because the Dems know very well what
The intelligence committees of Congress (both House and Senate) have full access to all CIA documents. Members of both of those committees know full well that Pelosi stepped in a cow patty when she called the CIA liars, so this outcome was completely predictable.

What makes this whole thing all the more deplorable is that these are the very same people who were self-righteously calling for similar probes regarding the previous administration just a few weeks ago.

Moral: Be careful what you wish for!

We gotta throw these folks out of office starting in 2010 and continuing until EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM IS GONE.
I know this is somewhat irrelavant since the Dems are going to win
in November. I am an Obama supporter but also a political junkie, so for me it's interesting to try to figure out who McCain is going to pick for VP, even if it doesn't matter in the end.

McCain was on SLN cracking jokes about how old he was. I'll give him points for the self-deprecating humor.
Yep, the dems in congress won't do anything
until they have a dem as president. They know if they do something positive, such as helping us with our oil/energy problem, Bush will get the credit and they won't stand for that.

That is the facts people and it is so unbelievably ridiculous that these people who we vote in and pay 6-figure salaries to won't do their job. It's a huge joke and it scares the crap out of me.
Perfect example of why Dems will win and be in the
Republicans thrive on scare tactics - or at least they THINK they're scare tactics. 
A lot of dems voted for the war too....
including Kerry and Hillary and untold others...including your VP candidate, Biden. Can't you tell the truth? What about the truth is so scary to you? You can go on line and see the roll call vote. Many, Many D's there. No war can ever be waged without a 2/3 vote of Congress. War is not a "conservative" thing. What a ridiculous lie. Do you ever go research anything or are you afraid lightning will strike you if you stray from Dem talking points??
I cannot and will not lump all Dems together...
however, several of the group who post here post like this. I don't understand it, because it doesn't follow what I thought democrats were all about. I am not a Republican by the way...am an Independent. I don't owe any party my vote...but I have Democrats in my family and they do not speak like this...

But, I could not say most Dems treat people this way. Just some of these do. :)
Since when did Dems ever let facts
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No, you dems just ain't funny.
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Yes....this is going to be the Dems' Enron. nm
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Believe it or not, dems want to cut the pork too! nm
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in-laws are all dems - what to do? nm
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But the media, the dems, and

all these Obama supporters just sweep that under a rug.  They continue to point fingers and blame others and yet they will take no responsibility at all for what they did.  They will not give McCain credit for his warning.  They will not admit that they ignored that warning.  I'm tired of the media having their nose up Obama's ars.  They call McCain a coward for wanting to postpone the debate when it was McCain who was pushing for the debate before until this and now he wants to be in Washington to help find a solution.  He wants to put the country first instead of his own personal campaign.  To me...this says a lot about McCain and yet the dems and the media can do nothing but downgrade.  How in the world are we to have a fair election when the media is so obviously one-sided?


At this point, I really don't know that any candidate can get us out of this mess.  I guess I've just lost hope all around.  As for all those so-called plans Barry Obama promised.....he can't do a one of them....not that they would have worked in the first place but now it is impossible for him to even try.  So now what, Barry?  What else are you going to promise you will do that you can't deliver on?


SSDD for the Dems

Oh, I know all about her.  First it was sad to me that voters don't do their homewordk and just believe what literally any politician tells them just because they're R or D.  Savage really educates his audience on the San Franfricko "values" and how horribly corrupt they are out there.  Take the Bologna case, where the illegal aliens/gang members who killed this poor woman's husband and 2 sons all in one sweep.  There's just one example of the sanctuary city thing for ya. 


The best way to educate people is to play their own words back for all to hear.  That way I make my point and am not accused of being a right-wing hack.


By the same token, I've been literally wailing over Olympia Snow (snot job), Susan Collins, etc...the queen RINOS.  They don't belong in the GOP and they need a royal flush.  Hagel finally retired, fortunately.


The drivebys are so complicit in this crap, too.  If we put out such a horrible product (like a report with only a small portion of the situation, or twisted it completely around), we'd be fired.  These people work for us and only answer to their NE lib journalism pals.  There are so many facets to this zirconia it's criminal.


Sometimes I think the republicans are dems in slo-mo....sm
and almost as bad. They can't talk, can't stand up for themselves. Let themselves be run over.

I'm disgusted with everybody on capitol hill.

None of them understand the economy anyway. None of them.



The dems try to make her look

stupid, when in fact she is very savvy — as demonstrated by her negotiations with the oil companies, pushing through a gas pipeline, etc. She is a lady of many accomplishments, unlike the Dem’s PRESIDENTIAL candidate, the big O ( as in ZERO).


Governor Sarah Palin made history on Dec. 4, 2006, when she took office. As the 11th governor of Alaska, she is the first woman to hold the office.


Since taking office, her top priorities have been resource development, education and workforce development, public health and safety, and transportation and infrastructure development.


Under her leadership, Alaska invested $5 billion in state savings, overhauled education funding, and implemented the Senior Benefits Program that provides support for low-income older Alaskans. She created Alaska’s Petroleum Systems Integrity Office to provide oversight and maintenance of oil and gas equipment, facilities and infrastructure, and the Climate Change Subcabinet to prepare a climate change strategy for Alaska.


During her first legislative session, Governor Palin’s administration passed two major pieces of legislation - an overhaul of the state’s ethics laws and a competitive process to construct a gas pipeline.


Governor Palin is chair of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission, a multi-state government agency that promotes the conservation and efficient recovery of domestic oil and natural gas resources while protecting health, safety and the environment. She was recently named chair of the National Governors Association (NGA) Natural Resources Committee, which is charged with pursuing legislation to ensure state needs are considered as federal policy is formulated in the areas of agriculture, energy, environmental protection and natural resource management. Prior to being named to this position, she served as co-chair of this committee.


Prior to her election as governor, Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council and two terms as the mayor/manager of Wasilla. During her tenure, she reduced property tax levels while increasing services and made Wasilla a business friendly environment, drawing in new industry.


She has served as chair of the Alaska Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska’s most valuable non-renewable resources: oil and gas. She was elected by her peers to serve as president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors. In this role, she worked with local, state and federal officials to promote solutions to the needs of Alaska’s communities.


The bottom line is that she is running for VP.  Obama is running for president and his own running mate said he didn't have enough experience. 


And the O supporters, dems,

and left-wing media don't just repeat what they see and hear?  LOL!  Oh please.  Half of the Obamanation supporters spout exactly what Obama says and only seeing the promise of change.....which I might add....WON'T HAPPEN.  Obama can't do anything he promises and if he does.....our country will be totally FUBARed (f*cked up beyond all recognition).


Oh, so this is why the dems are for gay marriages.
ewwww
Not everybody hates him. Just dems who don't
want the real truth. 
Dems would not say anything nice about her even if
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yeah, it's okay for dems to be mean
but if pubs are, then they will have blood on their hands.
Oh come on. Dems are smart enough to see through...
those things, AREN'T they? lol.
Like all those dems threatened to do
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Exactly. The dems should just be happy O won,
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