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To clarify...I'm an independent who

Posted By: sm on 2009-02-28
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leans conservative.  I don't care for either far left or far right.  I think that there are nut jobs in both extremes.


There are many things that run through my head when I think of President Obama.  To me, Obama is too far left for my taste. 


Some things that we should do right away is get the heck out of the middle east.  Use our troops in rotation to guard our border with Mexico.  Honestly, if we would keep our nose out of the middle east's business, maybe they would just keep fighting amongst themselves and we would have less to worry about.  I know that sounds horrible, but there has been fighting in that region since the beginning of time.  No amount of money we spend is going to change that.  We need to worry more about our problems at home including illegal immigrants.  They are costing us WAY too much money per year.


I do not want big government.  I do not feel that government should have to bail us out.  I believe that government created this problem allowing bad loans to be given out to people who couldn't afford to pay them.  However, I feel that these "programs" that Obama wants to enforce really won't help the middle class he professes to be looking out for.  Bigger government and more government programs does nothing more than promote and reward irresponsibility and laziness.  Our coutry cannot afford to continually bail banks, companies, and people out.  We have no money.  China won't even help us out any more....not that I really like the idea of getting money from China...but you get my point.


What I want is for government to stop handing out and stop spending money it doesn't have.  Get rid of our tax code and have a flat tax for everyone.  You pay more based on the more you earn.  That way it closes loopholes for crooks so they don't have to pay their taxes or they "make a mistake" and don't pay their taxes. 


I'm tired of packages filled with pork and I'm pointing fingers at both dems and pubs on this one as both parties are guilty.  Get rid of the pork and the pet projects. 


The idea of Obama wanting to do away with secret ballots in union votes....I totally disagree with.  Why shouldn't they continue to be secret?  Making that information known just gives unions the chance to bully people and that isn't looking out for employees like the unions claim to do.....even though it is proven that unionized states show less production and less job growth than states without unions. 


Bigger government also scares me because obviously politicians are too crooked....how can we trust them to run everything in this country. 


We also need to reform welfare.  I was truly upset when I heard Obama wanted to get rid of the reform that Clinton had done on welfare.  We need some regulations and limitations to our welfare system. 


I do not have much hope in change.  So far all I see are the same old cronies that were in Washington before.  We have too many crooked politicians and too many people giving money to them in order to get them elected so they have a puppet in Washington to do their bidding.




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I am independent....independent of either party.
I am registered with neither. And I am not really interested in your interpretation of what a Republican is or is not.

I was talking about Obama's stand as an Illinois state senator. Since I do not live in Illinois and was not one of his constituents that rather rude indictment of what I would or would not do is moot. Had I been a resident of Illinois you can bet your sweet bippy there would have been plenty of senator/representative contact.

Not voting for Obama DOES give me a clear conscience. Whatever calamity he wreaks, it will not be because I put him in charge. If he gets his way we will become a socialist state. That is something I do NOT want to be a part of. PERIOD.
Let me clarify it for you.

.......hatred of  Clinton, anything to do with Clinton. The mere mention of his name causes the bile to rise and the red mist to engulf them.  They hate, hate, hate.  They blame, blame, blame. It's what they do.  There is no having conversations with them.  They don't see reason. They don't see fairness.  They see nothing but hate.  I remember this very same venom directed at Clinton, for about 8 years.


I don't hate Bush. I hate what his administration has done to our country and I always say his administration because I do not believe his personal merits, whatever they are, are  presidential. I believe Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove, the unholy trinity, serve as president. I have said and continue to say, Bush is just not good enough to be president. Hundreds of thousands of Americans do not have what it takes to be the President of the United States and George W. Bush he is one of them. 


Let ME clarify....
in the same league... that is generalization...like a baseball league, a football league...covers a large number of people. I see equal meaning a more one on one comparison. Frankly, I do not consider you and Lurker equal. I see rather large differences both in personality (at least the personality displayed here), way of expressing yourselves, etc. She comes from a different point of view, and she is nowhere near as angry or condescending in her posting. It is merely an observation on my part, an opinion, because I have been on the receiving end of a lot of posts from both of you. In my mind, there is a big difference. So now we can stop beating this dead horse, shall we? Neither you nor Lurker give a tinker's darn what I think of you, so what does it matter? I only said it in the first place because you have invoked her a few times to make a point. I will not do so again. My opinion is my own and will remain the same until I see something to change it...I will just refrain from posting it.

Have a good day.
Just to clarify....

Here is one thing that I must clarify in your post.  Obama didn't have his hand over his heart during the singing of the national anthem.  He claims that during the pledge he does put his hand over his heart but was never taught to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.


Everything else you say....I agree with though. 


Maybe this will clarify why ND responded that way.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-10-corruptstates_N.htm

Yes I read their comments about USA Today. The OP did analysis had very similar results. Here are a few more who beg to differ:

http://www.drudge.com/news/115767/nd-most-corrupt-state

http://minnesotaindependent.com/20089/most-corrupt-new-york-times-vindicates-north-dakota-sort-of

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2008/12/is_illinois_the_most_corrupt_s.html

http://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/louisiana-most-corrupt-state-in-the-us/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/jan/18/20040118-114320-9103r/

http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/1008-04.htm



I should clarify......thanks dems
for letting us pay for your retreat.  People are losing jobs, houses, etc. and they feel the need to go to a friggin spa.  Times are tough and sometimes you have to break tradition to save money.  Personally, I think both pubs and dems should have just stayed in D.C. and had a little group meeting or maybe a pitch in dinner.....pay for it themselves.  The pubs retreat was paid for by lobbyists and the dems retreat was paid for by taxpayers while they bragged about not having lobbyists at the retreat.  I don't care if Obama just showed up.......if government really cared about us, like they claim to, they would put any spa retreats on hold and SAVE SOME MONEY FOR ONCE INSTEAD OF SPENDING IT FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!
Just to clarify, Hannibal.
I am not the poster who apologized to you and asked you not to go. Judging by the length of your rambling post, you never had any intention of leaving anyway.
To clarify your misguided attempt
I am not a republican, I do not care for Hannity, and I don't particularly care for McCain either. As far as Obama, I know a skunk when I smell one.....

Sorry to pop your bubble.
Just to clarify, inciting one is a felony. sm
That would include just warning people to get their money out. They warn us about this in discussions we have in finance forums.

Washington Mutual was limiting or refusing withdrawals to depositors. I am not leaving my money in the bank, only enough to keep the account open. I do not want them making money off me. For every $1,000 you leave in the bank, they create $10,000 in credit, and debt is our biggest problem.
Huh? Care to clarify this incoherence?
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And to clarify...I did not insinuate that the new Prez...
has to respond NOW and neither did Russia. They just threw down the gauntlet. It is up to him how and when he responds.

As to communism...there is no "authority" required for an opinion. Obama has been influenced by Marxists throughout his life...first Frank Marshall Davis, followed by the Marxist professors and students he said in his book he sought out....followed by Bill Ayers...that he taught and used the Saul Alinsky method community organizing..and on and on. The influence is there. Karl Marx said socialism was a start but it did not go far enough because it did not address redistribution of wealth. We know where Obama stands on redistribution of wealth. Everything he has been and everything he says tells me he thinks he can make it work and very well may attempt to in this country. They had a Marxist revolution in Russia. We see how that turned out. They had a Marxist revolution in Cuba. We see how that turned out. So far they are just socialist in Venezuela, but we see how that turned out. There will have to be no revolution here, because our new Prez and apparently 51% of the American people think it will work too. We may very well be the USSA...or worse, the UCSA. Taken over from within without having to fire a shot. THAT is what I meant about communism, and it is a far statement based on Obama's entire history from childhood into adulthood. I have no reason to think he is turning from that now. I will wait and see, of course. But just because he won does not mean I will change everything I want and believe overnight...just like I think he will not change everything he has thought and believed throughout his life. I think it is very naive to ignore that and think that he somehow has.

Again...this has nothing whatsoever to do with Bush. I don't care what Bush does; he's gone. What I care about is the man with the power for the next 4 years.
Just to clarify, I like Palin and am not the same Kendra as above...
I just quit posting on here because I get too irritated with people like my namesake here.
Just to clarify - this is for infants who were actually born .
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Well you didn't clarify a single thing,
just restated your point all over again.  Which I still don't understand.  Never mind.
to clarify - the baby's safety is the first thing I thought of that was worrisome..
it appeared tacky to me to use the baby in such a way. When I re-read my post I guess it could have been taken differently than it was meant. anywho - it is not a choice I would have made as a mother...
to clarify - NO to fed laws superseding laws of State of California against voters
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Sam, how can you say you are an independent? sm
From your posts it appears you are a staunch republican. You know the saying, if it walks and quacks like a duck, Quack, Quack!
I too am an independent
In independent to me means not belonging to either party. You can be an independent and fervently support one candidate over the other. It means finding the better of the worst and not buying into the party line. I think people need to start comparing Obama's expereince with McCain's experience. If you want to compare Palin with anyone you need to compare her with the opposite parties VP candidate. But people are comparing Obama to Palin because there is no way they can win if they compare him to McCain. I am an independent, but the more I read, the more I listen to all the networks, the more I hear Palin's family getting "politically gang raped" the more I want to know why and the less I trust the liberals. I am an independent. Years ago I supported Bill Clinton til the end, I didn't support either Gore or Bush and the next term I didn't support either Kerry or Bush. Now I support McCain. That is because I can stand back and look at what both McCain & Obama have done. How they have voted in the senate, what they have done with their careers, how they want to lead the country, etc. and I can view it all with an open mind. That makes me and independent.
I am an independent with....
conservative values and some liberal ideas. Extremest? Don't know what that means. Never been called an extremest. When I hear that I keep thinking about some person who ties themself to a tree so it won't be cut down, but if it means I'm open to anything and will listen to all viewpoints and think on my own then yes that I am and glad to be one.

There's a lot I don't like that the republicans have done, but so much more I don't like that the democrats have done. However, what's worse is I don't like what the media and some of the posters on this board have come to. It is unbearable and they just pick and pick about absolutely nothing and spew lies and because of them I don't think I would ever vote for Obama.

As for Ms. Couric? She is a complete and utter moronian. No she is not running for president. She is not even qualified to give a decent interview and be respective of the people she interviews. If she thought Kissinger said that they she didn't do her research and should be the last person to interview anyone. She should go back to the morning show and gossip. She is a far left liberal and her condescending attitute exuberates. She is never that disrepectful to the democrats that she interviews. The media is so one-sided (on both sides - I'm not excluding anyone from blame), but at least I have the fortitude to listen to both sides and decide for myself who I like better.

I made one comment and you think I'm going to vote for McCain? Oh, boy do you have that one wrong. I have mixed feelings about the debate and I thought Obama did well on certain issues and I thought McCain did well on other issues. I hear the liberal media trashing McCain and for what (the way he looked, because he wasn't wearing a flag pin?) The liberals are too interested in "looks" they ignore the issues. I close my eyes and listen to each candidate, that way I don't see if they look to the right when the should look to the left, smile at an inapproate moment or any of that utter nonsense each accuses the other of.

I'll tell you I do not like the democrats proposal to the bail out. They want to give a free pass to the people who created the mess and have the average working american pay for it. Maybe seeing as you are so "for" this, you can supply your address and they can bill you the $10,500 it will cost each family and you can pay my share cos I don't have that kind of money!

As for the debate, I understood Obama more on what he was saying. McCain's answers were too complicated and left me wondering what he was talking about. However, it does not mean I liked what Obama was saying. As for foreign policy, sorry but taking a vacation in a foreign country doesn't qualify you as being knowledgeable in foreign policies.

McCain stated perfectly well and it's on record that he voted against a lot of what Bush was proposing. To say its going to be more of the same is a scare tactic and lie and you are just going along with the party line.

I hate Rush Limbaugh! I think he's a biggoted pig who can't listen to the truth if it stood in front of his face, and he puts down anyone who doesn't agree with him. At the same time I can't stand Sean Hannity, Alan Colmes, Mike Savage, Ray Talafero, Keith Oberman, Rachel Maddow (well she's actually not too bad) or any other right or left wing slime-bag who doesn't look at the whole picture with open eyes and trashes one side with false information while propping up their side with inflated opinions.

I do have to admit - Obama does seem to be on the side of the average americans, but cripes....look at his voting record. Sure, anyone can say their going to do this and that for you, but look at what they have done in the past, how they have voted, etc.

Here are my likes and dislikes -
What I like about Obama - He seems to have fresh ideas (which we can use right now). He's a very eloquent speaker, nice looking, nice looking family. When he says he cares about you I believe it. If he becomes president I can deal with that. I'm not against him, just people need to know what are his plans and he needs to stop lying to us. When he lies about one thing what else is he lying about. And he never said he would cut out unnecessary things that we don't need. So that tells me he's going to have all these programs and we will end up paying for them just like when Clinton was in.

What I don't like - I don't trust that he will do all the things he promises. We will be taxed to the hilt to pay for all the programs that we will not benefit from. While I like that he is willing to talk to our enemies I don't think he's knowledgeable enough about foreign policies, etc.

While I like that he's knowledgable about the economy I don't like his solutions for how to fix it (it screws us while keeping his rich friends rich!)

What I like about John McCain - He doesn't vote straight republican. He is in the middle. His comment about Obama being so far to the left he couldn't reach over was stup!d. To call someone left or right is just a gimmick. It means nothing (at least to me). I like and feel safe with McCain's knowlege of foreign policies. I feel that McCain will fight for the Americans so we don't end up paying for congresses mistakes. To say that if McCain gets in only the rich will get richer because its the same exact thing if Obama gets in there. Obama is rich and surrounds himself with the rich and those 1% rich they are always talking about with the republicans, well they have their 1% richest friends too. We saw it when Clinton was in office.

What I don't like about McCain is I wish he was younger (although Biden is around the same age). I wish he had a little more color (his skin is very white). I wish he would talk in simpler terms I could understand, and I wish he would stop saying "my friends" in every other sentance.

All in all I believe presidents are just talking heads. They surround themselves with the people who make the decisions. They don't think on their own. They carry out their orders from their superiors.

As for "big government getting cutbacks under Bush". Big government was getting cutbacks under Clinton. This is not anything new and not prone to one party or the other. However Clinton's legacy is that we saw NAFTA and the beginning of our jobs being shipped overseas.

As for talking about Obama and Palin's inexperience. They are both inexperienced. But I also remember...so was John Adams, George Washington, and all the other leaders in the beginning. The difference for me is that Obama is running for President. Palin is only running for VP. And I trust the people that McCain will surround himself with more than the people that Obama will surround himself with.

So because I bring up that I heard Kissinger interviewed and he said that he never said he would sit down and talk to enemies without preconditions you make an assumption that I'm an extremist and conservative. If I heard on the news that something McCain said was a lie you would probably be cheering me on. You just don't like when your candidate does something wrong and points it out.

I think you should read a post and keep your hatred to yourself, and who is Henry?

I am independent and a free thinker and I am proud of it!
I am independent as well and see what happens
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I am an independent. s/m
I lean left sometimes, yes.  Sometimes I lean far right.  I personally do not believe in abortion and I believe homosexuality is a sin and a choice people make.  That's pretty right, isn't it?
My take......from an independent
When you factor in ALL the illegals that should NOT be voting that were voting and then factor in ALL the pushed in fraudulent voters who didn't even know who Obama's running mate was (they thought it WAS Palin), then it's no surprise Obama won. After all, he did promise all "illegals" they could get a drivers license and all moochers they could get free money, so gee, what motivation! A no-brainer!!

Factor in the hard working folks who were voting out of shear fear of the economy, the women who were afraid they wouldn't have the "right" to murder an unborn child, and you have yourself a president, for good or for bad.

Flame all you want....the truth usually does incite.

I still say Ron Paul would have been much better for this country. Much smaller government, no IRS, close our borders against illegals....the list goes on and on.
I'm independent
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Independent?
It does not sound like you (sm) are an Independent.  I don't see anything but praise for Obama and hate for Republicans and Bush.  Where are your posts supporting anything conservative?
I am independent as well, which is why
I don't fall for all this garbage going on!! Where did you get off with the Palestinian people? We weren't talking about the Palestinian people... if you wanna do that, then start a thread on that! And, somehow, I doubt seriously you know better than me! HOW POMPOUS!

I am definitely not confused! If Obama wants to stay out of Iranian problems, then he should stay out of everything else as well.... he can't simply pick and choose when it's a Muslim country involved, which is exactly what he does.
You certainly are no independent
You are a staunch democrat through and through. You should not be so ashamed of it that you won't admit it.

Just because you know a Patrick Henry quote doesn't make you an independent.
My view as an independent.
I don't see Michele as hard, negative or loud. I see her as passionate and a go-getter. I have seen her speak at different things and have always enjoyed her.

Cindy I see as not weak, but just more quiet. I wouldn't say she was weak though.

Maybe this has something to do with their age differences, different generations?
Independent candidates have to
have at least 15% in opinion polls in order to participate in the presidential debates.  Right now....the only candidates eligible to participate in the debate are, of course, McCain and Obama.  To me....that says that no independent has enough backing to do any good except for take votes from the other two.  There is nothing wrong with voting for an independent though.  If you feel Ron Paul is a better candidate, you have the right to vote for him.  However, some say it would be throwing your vote away since the likelihood of him actually win is slim.  You never know though.  Do what you feel is best and go with your gut.  If you truly believe in Ron Paul, vote for him.  No one can knock you for that.
INDEPENDENT PARTY
The independent party has voted that they will back McCain.  They have NO votes to back Obama whatsoever!!!!
which independent party?
Which one? There are a couple, at least:
The American Independent Party
The Independent American Party
Independence Party of America

I thought being an "independent" meant you didn't belong to any party...
Okay, but for the Independent Party, do
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Well, I am independent, but would understand the
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Sorry, but I am independent. As far as hatred,
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I am independent, but have seen just the opposite
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I make less than that....and I am an independent....
voting Republican this time. Obama is a socialist and I do not agree with where he wants to take this country. Has absolutely nothing to do with his color. I would not vote for a white socialist, a Hispanic socialist, an Asian socialist, a polka-dotted socialist or a 3-eyed wombat socialist.
Independent for McCain
Okay, now I have to say I would have done the same thing in Obama's case. Those newspapers were toxic to his campaign. He's had trouble with them many times in the past--bias.

As far as whether he's African American or not, who cares? The only one who's going to fight that one is a racist, and I could care less to hear their sorry posts.

Newflash: BOTH of them are being caught in lies. That's why this election was so difficult for me. All politicians lie--meaning they make promises maybe with the right intentions, but they just don't keep them. You have to remember congress is in the equation here.

His father was African American. Therefore, he has every right to call himself such.

I've read about McCain losing his temper a time or two. Don't forget these two candidates are still human.
I'm glad to know Sam is an independent
I would  have sworn she was a "rabid" Republican.  LOL 
I'm no concerned about the GOP..I'm an independent...

the sorry's will be from O when he can't fulfill his many promises to his starry eyed followers who elected him. Pelosi herself has already said that many of the things they want to do won't get done and he hasn't even been sworn in yet.


Ditto. I am with you. --and independent too.
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Haters? I am independent, but have seen
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Sorry, I'm independent.......thus, the reason I think
I do find it hilarious that you immediately believe that ANYONE who objects to Obama's garbage is a republican. Matter of fact, I do know lots of dems that despise him for obvious reasons. What I do see are those like yourself, who wants government to think for them, believing that everyone MUST be into Fox or whatever. If I want to know what's going on for real, your TV won't do it for you, especially the liberal news station.

Speaking of looking around, unfortunately I see a complete debauchal of our constitution and our freedoms. I don't let one group do my thinking for me as you obviously do, which is why I don't care if it's republican or democrat, as long as they tax me, dictate my state rights, impose their garbage on my life, they are no better than scum and have no loyalty to our constitution. Unlike you, I detest stinch......
I'm not an independent and I feel the same way.
I'm a registered republican, but I've voted democrat many times (Clinton twice, Zack Space twice, etc).

But I am also sick and tired of both parties with the way they keep vilifying each other. You don't need to be a democrat or a republican or an independent or a libertarian to just be fed up with Washington right now.
I'm not an independent and I feel the same way.
I'm a registered republican, but I've voted democrat many times (Clinton twice, Zack Space twice, etc).

But I am also sick and tired of both parties with the way they keep vilifying each other. You don't need to be a democrat or a republican or an independent or a libertarian to just be fed up with Washington right now.
Better independent than letting others do the
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Please, JTBB. I am an independent, and all you
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I've ALWAYS BEEN AN INDEPENDENT....
unlike dems and republicans, i would rather think for myself.... you should try it sometime!!!
Individual independent investigation
I agree it is important to look at raw facts and draw conclusions for yourself. So much of what we see and hear out of the mainstream media is slanted to one side or the other. I believe it is very important for one to get info from independent sources in order to draw enlightened conclusions. I think it's naive at best to trust solely the mainstream media and even partisan sources exclusively for your news. Things can be spun so many different ways. This is one area where we agree.
Good post, Independent! nm
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I am independent and considered Obama, but
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and Democrats are independent thinkers?
pull the other leg. lol.
A Repub in Independent's clothing. You know
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