I personally feel that family should be

• Obama's Campaign to Return Aunt's Contributions.... sm - m
  • Even more remarkable - He lets her live in public housing
  • I could have sworn a few months back McCain camp - Declared family private and off limits.
    • I could have sworn....sm - sm
      • If you insist, we could always bring Bristol - Back into the dialog, but hey....
        • Obama called wives off limits when - something unfavorable
        • I personally feel that family should be - Illegal vs legal
          • From this sheeple s/m - gourdpainter
  • This is ridculous! - sm
  • She donated multiple times - Just me
    • I think it was a total of $265 over 4 or 5 donations - - Amanda
    • Th witch hunt is getting desperate. - A couple of questions. sm
      • Also - - Just me
        • You certainly have worked yourself up into a lather - over something you known nothing about.
      • Oh brother - where to start is right. - Just me
        • The witch hunt is getting desperate - Part 2. sm
          • I don't know who thinks they are the - most intelligent and
          • No "witchhunt", just truth. Disturbing, isnt it? - Used to like Obama, but he is just a liar.nm
            • It is a witch hunt. If you were interested in the truth - you would not be...sm
        • I hear this too. Here is a link, but I put the article inside. www.OneNewsNow.com - MT and worn out
          • People hiding out from ICE are not likely to - broadcast their illegal status...sm

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that Jesse Jackson is a detriment to the black community.  Surely there has to be someone better to represent and stand up for the black community.  If a white person made the general comments that Jesse Jackson does......the black community would scream racism.  His own son spoke negatively about his father and his comment. 

I personally don't feel that there will ever be equality between the races because people are constantly wanting to point the finger at the other race.  Do I want equality....yes...of course I do.  I have many black friends who are great people that I care about.  But until we stop pointing the finger at the other race, it won't stop.  Prejudice and racism is on both sides.  It isn't just the white folks or the black people.....it is on both sides and until people stop and realize that and learn to forgive and forget and be accepting.......it won't change.

As for Bill Cosby, I loved watching the Bill Cosby Show when I was younger, but the more I learn about Bill......the more I think he is a huge bigot.

failure in our government is a failure on both sides.  This isn't strictly dems, although dems control the congress, and this isn't strictly reps even though the pres is a rep.  I think they should all stop pointing fingers as what is done is done and find a solution that will benefit the tax payers and not line the crooks' pockets with money anymore than they already are.

As for McCain....no matter what....at least he had the balls to say....HEY...we have a problem here.  That is more than other politicians have done who benefited from FMFM money.

the natural cycle of our planet.

It still amazes me how AL Gore can go from place to place on a his private jet telling others we should be concerned about global warming.

Specter has been there for too long anyway.  The man has been there since 1980.  Time for some new blood. 

I agree with you and what you said about the crats.  I personally feel that libs on here give the crats too much credit just like the pubs on here give them too much credit.  If either side really gave a rip about the American people, neither party would have voted for all this spending under Bush and Obama. 

As for the pubs, yes they keep saying no but it is because their constituents are saying no or did you not pay attention to the tea parties and the fact that thousands of people showed up to tell government to stop spending our money.  The pubs are trying to rebound by doing what their constituents want even though they didn't mind spending under Bush.

Both parties are full of double standards, temper tantrums, and whining.  When the pubs are in control...the crats do nothing but whine and stomp their feet and vice versa.  You can always tell when people on here are for one particular party because the thing they complain about is something their own party does but they never admit it.  Wise up, people!!! 

How many politicians are out there that you truly believe care about you and me?  All I see is a bunch of people bickering over party lines and making promises to get elected and then spending their whole term trying to pay back the people who donated to their campaign to get them elected by being their puppet.  That is what Washington has become and for those of you who refuse to see that both parties are involved....well....that is just sad.

neither those memos nor those pictures should be released.  Look at the turmoil it has caused since the memos alone were released.  You got half of the story without all the information being released.  You have Pelosi lying through her teeth trying to save her own skin while pointing the blame at the CIA and Bush's administration while claiming she knew nothing.  It is just unnecessary turmoil right now especially since we still have troops in Iraq, Afghan....and God only knows when we will have to go to Pakistan to get the nukes away from the terrorists.  This just isn't the time to be going after our own people.  Fighting amongst ourselves only makes the true enemy stronger. 

I personally feel that those pictures will put our troops in more danger than they already are.  It will give extremist groups more ammo to recruit more people to their cause. 

And no matter what you feel about waterboarding....be it torture or extreme interrogation......terrorists do much worse to the people they capture.

Our objective right now is to win the war and keep America safe. 

he got second place just because he is gay.  If the voters were so anti-gay....he wouldn't have made it that far in the first place.  I think it is unfair to suggest that he lost because he is gay....just like I think it is unfair for someone to not enjoy his music merely because of his sexual preference. 

some more research on what government controlled healthcare would do to privately owned insurance companies.  You need to look at the whole picture and not just the BS the democratic party dishes out to you that you so willingly take and believe without batting an eyelash.  Insurance companies will go under, more people will lose jobs.  If everyone has healthcare, more people will go to the doctor for sniffles and colds.  It will make the healthcare costs go up and Obama wants healthcare costs to go down.  The only way to do that is to limit the care that people can have.  Government will also have to cap what doctors and nurses can make and therefore we will have fewer and fewer people entering the medical field.  If care is limited because of costs, we might as well forget about research for new treatments because even if they have a new treatment, government healthcare won't approve of you to have it.  More people will be given death sentences instead of treatment in the attempt to cut healthcare costs.  Waiting periods will be longer because there will be more people wanting healthcare and less doctors and nurses to provide said healthcare.  You need to stop and think about this.  You are so blind on this subject it really is baffling.  Someone who preaches about research and so far all you have given on this subject is the same rhetoric Obama spews out which is nothing but total BS!

Our country is broke.  China pretty much owns us.  More and more people are losing jobs.  In my state the unemployment went up into the double digits again.  We cannot afford this healthcare plan and even if we could....it is a horrible idea and definitely something that shouldn't be rushed to pass because once we do this....you can't take it back. 

And another thing....the only way to pay for this is to tax us more and yet Obama promised not to raise any kind of taxes of 95% of American people.  Why are you letting him get by with that.  If a pub had made that sort of promise and renigged on it....like Bush Senior did........you all would be on him like flies on stink.  Why the double standards here?

warming is a load of hooey.  I think this is the natural cycle of our planet.

However, I agree that we should be looking into other energy sources so we can rely on other things rather than oil....which will eventually not be there.  In saying that, I do not agree with cap and trade.  I understand the need to research alternative fuel sources, but we shouldn't be taxing the crap out of oil to get it done.  This is going to hurt everyone and with the economy stinking like it does now......this is going to hit a lot of people hard.  Utility bills will skyrocket.  People won't be able to afford to heat their homes.  They won't be able to afford the gas to drive to work.  All goods and services will go up.

BTW, the next time AL Gore's fat ars jumps on his private plane to go somewhere and preach about global warming, I think people should throw stuff at him.  You've got Pelosi using military planes to haul her butt around, but OMG....stop global warming.  Either there is major hypocrisy going on here or they don't really believe it either. 

Still though....it wouldn't hurt us to clean up our act a bit regardless of whether or not global warming is real or just a load of cow dung.

of right vs wrong come from our own personal upbringing.  I was raised in a very strict family.  My mom attended church every Sunday and took us three kids with her.  Dad smoked and swore and refused to go to church on Sunday because he didn't want to be a hypocrit because he wasn't going to give up his cigarettes, etc.  My dad believed in God, but he just didn't want to be one of the people in the pews on Sunday talking about how great of a Christian he was when he knew he was going to walk outside and light up a cigarette. 

My husband is an atheist.  He believes in evolution and says that he doesn't need a higher power or supreme being to tell him what is right and what is wrong.  However, he has no problem with his two boys going to church because he feels the morals that are taught at church are good for the boys.  If they believe in God, he has no problem with that.  If they decided not to, he has no problem with that.  I don't push religion on my husband and he doesn't push his beliefs or lack thereof on me either and we've been happily married for 8 years now with two wonder boys and another baby on the way.

I feel that rules do change with time.  We no longer stone people who commit adultry.  We don't cut hands off of people who steal.  We don't kick people out of our communities for being "unclean" even though there are a few I'd like to kick out.  LOL!  I don't see anyone sacrificing virgins or children either.

I feel that right and wrong should be based upon what is best for the majority of people and not small minority groups.  We are never going to do everything that makes everyone happy, but we have to do what is best for a majority of people. 

My dad is just, well, dad.  My mother became very ill at the age of 30 with severe rheumatoid arthritis.  The disease deformed her body to look like a little 90 year old.  She could no longer live in Michigan due to the cold winters and would often leave to go to Florida and stay with her parents.  Finally, we had enough of family being apart for the winters and so we moved to Arizona for my mother's health at the end of 1981 when the economy in Michigan was once again hurting.  I loved Michigan and still to this day.  I miss the snow terribly.  Sick of the darn heat and blue skys day after day after day.  What is a cloud? 

Sorry to hear your story. 

Just saw them all at the RNC sitting there, so beautiful!  Not sure about Cindy McCain's outfit, but she's also soooo classy, did anyone notice how she sat next to the middle daughter who was holding the baby and Cindy was stroking the baby's head and watching him soooo sweetly.

Real people, I love it :)

PS this isn't meant to be a political post, so hopefully nobody gets distressed... it was just an American Family I was saying was nice looking and it's nice to see in all the crap going around you know...

so give it all a rest would you. 

Where did you get your debating skills?  On the south side of Chicago in some street gang?  Because if you did, it shows.

In a REAL debate, there is no room or tolerance for personal attacks.  Yet, that's all you people know how to do.  You can't stay on the issue.  You MUST attack the poster personally, claiming to know not only what they think and feel but also claiming to know what every liberal ever thought or did, what they're thinking and doing right now and what they will be thinking and doing for the next 1,000 years.  In fact, you seem to know everything about anything that ever existed on the planet, exists now or will exist into infinity. 

As I (and others) have said repeatedly and you just can't seem to grasp, if you constantly treat people badly, they're not going to want to associate with you.  Lurker was very gracious in her posts to all of you on your board, but even she, in the end, couldn't tolerate your continued, nonstop, personal attacks any more (as she indicated in her responses to the attackers).  If you ever stop knowing it all and become interested in the proper way of debating someone, you could learn a lot from Lurker.  You see, having *thick skin* is only important if you're a thug in a gang somewhere.  It's irrelevant when it comes to treating humans like humans, and in that area, you have a lot to learn. 

As for me, I like to learn from intelligent, friendly people with different political views, so I visit boards where those kinds of people are found.  Not all conservatives are angry, rude, come out swinging and need to personally attack 1,000% of the time.  Some of them are actually quite nice and informative, and they can be found on other forums.  Too bad they can't be found on MTStars.

Have a pleasant evening.

September 7, 2005

Women were Being Raped, Babies were Being Killed, Alligators were Eating People, But Where the Hell was the National Guard?
How We Survived the Flood
By CHARMAINE NEVILLE

  This is a transcription of an interview Charmaine Neville, of New Orleans's legendary Neville family, gave to local media outlets on Monday, September 5.

I was in my house when everything first started. When the hurricane came, it blew all the left side of my house off, and the water was coming in my house in torrents.

I had my neighbor, an elderly man, and myself, in the house with our dogs and cats, and we were trying to stay out of the water. But the water was coming in too fast. So we ended up having to leave the house.

We left the house and we went up on the roof of a school. I took a crowbar and I burst the door on the roof of the school to help people on the roof.

Later on we found a flat boat, and we went around the neighborhood in a flat boat getting people out of their houses and bringing them to the school.

We found all the food that we could and we cooked and we fed people. But then, things started getting really bad.

By the second day, the people that were there, that we were feeding and everything, we had no more food and no water. We had nothing, and other people were coming in our neighborhood. We were watching the helicopters going across the bridge and airlift other people out, but they would hover over us and tell us Hi! and that would be all. They wouldn't drop us any food or any water, or nothing.

Alligators were eating people. They had all kinds of stuff in the water. They had babies floating in the water.

We had to walk over hundreds of bodies of dead people. People that we tried to save from the hospices, from the hospitals and from the old-folks homes. I tried to get the police to help us, but I realized they were in the same straits we were. We rescued a lot of police officers in the flat boat from the 5th district police station. The guy who was in the boat, he rescued a lot of them and brought them to different places so they could be saved.

We understood that the police couldn't help us, but we couldn't understand why the National Guard and them couldn't help us, because we kept seeing them but they never would stop and help us.

Finally it got to be too much, I just took all of the people that I could. I had two old women in wheelchairs with no legs, that I rowed them from down there in that nightmare to the French Quarters, and I went back and got more people.

There were groups of us, there were about 24 of us, and we kept going back and forth and rescuing whoever we could get and bringing them to the French Quarter because we heard that there were phones in the French Quarter, and that there wasn't any water. And they were right, there were phones, but we couldn't get through to anyone.

I found some police officers. I told them that a lot of us women had been raped down there by guys, not from the neighborhood where we were, they were helping us to save people. But other men, and they came and they started raping women and they started killing, and I don't know who these people were. I'm not gonna tell you I know, because I don't.

But what I want people to understand is that, if we hadn't been left down there like the animals that they were treating us like, all of those things wouldn't have happened. People are trying to say that we stayed in that city because we wanted to be rioting and we wanted to do this and, we didn't have resources to get out, we had no way to leave.

When they gave the evacuation order, if we could've left, we would have left.

There are still thousands and thousands of people trapped in their homes in the downtown area. When we finally did get into the 9th ward, and not just in my neighborhood, but in other neighborhoods in the 9th ward, there were a lot of people still trapped down there... old people, young people, babies, pregnant women. I mean, nobody's helping them.

And I want people to realize that we did not stay in the city so we could steal and loot and commit crimes. A lot of those young men lost their minds because the helicopters would fly over us and they wouldn't stop. We would make SOS on the flashlights, we'd do everything, and it really did come to a point, where these young men were so frustrated that they did start shooting. They weren't trying to hit the helicopters, they figured maybe they weren't seeing. Maybe if they hear this gunfire they will stop then. But that didn't help us. Nothing like that helped us.

Finally, I got to Canal St. with all of my people I had saved from back there.

I don't want them arresting nobody else. I broke the window in an RTA bus. I never learned how to drive a bus in my life. I got in that bus. I loaded all of those people in wheelchairs and in everything else into that bus, and we drove and we drove and we drove and millions of people was trying to get me to help them to get on the bus, too.

Charmaine Neville is a member of the third generation of New Orleans's legendary Neville musical family. She fronts the Charmaine Neville Band.

In every place I go where the pledge is recited ballgames mostly when we got to the words under God it's amplified UNDER GOD!!!  That's what I intend on doing even if it becomes illegal.  I don't care if they outlaw the word God period I'll shout it from the mountaintops.  First of all to glorify my God, and second of all to irritate those who think it's a curse word.

Go ahead sue me...hang me...chop my head off.  The best is yet to come for me anyway. 

the McCain campaing has set Palin up to be the attacker of Obama's character and let McCain talk about what they will do if they are elected. 

As for Palin lying, I do believe that Obama has not been 100% truthful with things brought out about him.  He has changed his story several times on different associations and issues and that makes me not trust him. 

I do find it interesting that a lot of times what an Obama supporter can say about Palin....a McCain supporter can say about Obama.  LOL!  Kind of makes you wonder what the heck all of us are thinking really. 

One thing that holds true for me in the case of Sarah Palin is that she cut spending in her state.  I truly do believe that for the sake our country....we need to cut back on the government pending and this just reinforces my trust in McCain and Palin to do just that.  Obama...on the other hand....I believe will not cut back on spending as he has endorsed more pork in his short term in senate than McCain has his entire career.....and that to me says a lot.  And that has nothing to do with him being a POW and having the scars to prove it.  LOL!

I could  not care less so long as they don't mess around with the constitution.  I do think, however, that there is much ado about nothing.  As for the alleged tax breaks...when my husband and I married we asked my CPA about tax ramifications.  He said we would be better off to marry.  When we filed our first joint return, the same CPA said he didn't realize how much our income was and that in fact, marrying was the worst thing we could do tax-wise.  So if gays/lesbians want to marry for tax purposes, they had better take a good hard look at where the marriage will put them.

I don't know that there's anything legal/illegal about it but I expect that in the case of serious illness or injury a significant other would not be kept from the bedside. 

My husband and I used an attorney to draw up papers (forget what they are called) that directs everything that could possibly be foreseen and the cost was something like $350.  That would work just as well for gays/lesbians I would think.

We  have a gay couple in our community, also biracial.  They moved here from another state.  Both wear wedding rings, I have no idea what it symbolizes, haven't asked.  One is rather elderly and has relatives here but they accept the significant other and everyone just goes about their business.

Gay/lesbian relations are not new, it goes all the way back to biblical times.  I don't lean in that direction myself so I do not know anything about it, whether it is a choice or people are born with that bend.  I just have a hard time with God saying that it is an abomination for a man to lie with a man as with a woman and then that He would turn around and cause people to be born with this kind of sexual orientation.  That being said, let them do what they will, it is between them and God.  Like religion and politics, they don't need to try to shove it down the throats of the majority who are heterosexual.

pub or dem, who benefited from this should be the ones financially responsible to repair it.  But that isn't going to happen and I'm sick of hearing about who's responsible for it.  What about the homeowners who applied for these mortgages that they knew they couldn't afford?  I hold them responsible.  What about the banks who gave them the loan, knowing they could never repay it, but didn't care because they were just going to sell it?  I hold them responsible.  What about the CEOs who made millions on their severenace packages when they walked away from these failing companies?  I hold them responsible.  I don't care what party they are affiliated with.  But the fact is, no one person is going to be held accountable.  As a whole, the taxpayers will be made to be responsible.

You talk a good game and some of what you say makes sense.  Unfortunately, you have to read through all the pub/dem cr@p to really get to what you're saying.  Are you going to try to tell me that not 1 single pub had anything to do with any of this?  That it all rests on the individual dems?  Come on -- that's a load of bull and you know it.

Madeline Halfbright was Clinton's Sec. of State.  Don't even get me started on her.

No matter what, I give nobody a free pass just by the R behind his/her name.  Look at Olympia Snow & Susan Collins!  Talk about embarrassments!

everything except for American.  We need to unite and come together and we need to drop the extra titles.  That doesn't mean we should forget where we come from or our heritage.  It just means that when we lose focus on us all being Americans and just Americans....we start to categorize and stereotype and segregate ourselves.

Besides, I really don't want to be call an Indian-German-Scottish-Hungarian-American.  I'm an American and I'm proud of that.

thank you for your many insightful posts on this board during this whole election process.  Your posts along with sam's posts have very accurately paralleled the glaring differences between these two candidates, yours being ones of depth of knowledge, integrity, tolerance and a true desire for change for the better, whereas, the other one's posts have been largely based on garbage gleaned from questionable websites, blogs and other biased sources that have accomplished nothing other than to incite hatred and intolerance in support of a candidate who has based his whole campaign on filthy lies and evil smear tactics in pathetic attempts to discredit his opponent who has risen above this display of low-down politics.

So, my hat's off to you, Gourdpainter, for setting an exemplary example for all of us to aspire to!!  

can't get away from them. Even this tax probably won't help. You name it, I've tried it except Chantix (sp) but I need a doctor to prescribe it and I don't have a doctor yet.

My mom smoked until she was 79. Died 4 months later. DH doesn't care if I don't quit after that because his mother died 6 months after she quit. Doesn't make sense, but it did happen.

AIG is losing more and more money every day...  we all know that.  My story is that my BF is on Worker's Comp for an injury.  He will never be back to what he was, but is as good as he is going to get until he can have a knee replacement, which they will not because of his young age.  So we are thinking it is time to settle with the insurance company - who is backed by AIG...

They are already offering us a lot less than what we expected because they say they don't have money to give, but what happens if we hold out and then the company goes belly up?  Do we just lose out completely then?

Can WC go belly up?  I mean, is it backed by the government since it is mandated by the government and he will keep getting his benefits if he does not settle or are we looking at maybe losing even his weekly check and medical benefits and so we need to take what we can get while we can?

I think gay marriage is wrong.  I would not mind a civil union so much but to me....marriage is a sacred thing between a man and woman.  It is bad enough that marriage between some men and women isn't taken as seriously as it used to be and that alone saddens me. 

I truthfully am sick and tired of having homosexuality shoved down my throat everyday.  These protests that are more riot like than actual protests, gay people knocking a cross out of an older woman's hand while she was civilly showing her point of view and was attacked for it.  The public displays in church of kissing and dancing around.  The spray painting of buildings and churches.  It is just ridiculous.  Acting like immature and childish brats does not warrant you the right to get married.  I think I might have more compassion for them if they did not act like they have since voters voted against gay marriage in California. 

I have some gay friends who are even ashamed by the stupidity of other gay people who act in such a manner. 

This is just something that I will never condone nor be happy with.  I do not hate homosexuals nor am I a homophobe.......this is just a lifestyle that I cannot approve of.  We are all entitled to our opinions on this subject....so please no bashing of me just because I was honest about my view points.  Whether or not you agree with me....fine.  We will just have to agree to disagree.

I just haven't seen any in power in the White House in the last 6 years.  What I've seen are deficit-loving, conquer-the-world, neocnos who insist on controlling which God I worship, who I love, when I'm born and when and how I die, and I've seen respect for the truth be hacked to death by Bush.  Do you know it may soon be a crime for a reporter to discover and then inform Americans that Bush has broken the law?

Did you know that Missouri recently introduced legislation that would make Christianity their *official* religion, denying protection to any other religion?  With the current Supreme Court in place, the two new idiots appointed just might decide that although the Constitution says that Congress has no right to impose religion on others, maybe states do!

Did you know that we're only one LIFETIME Bush Supreme Court justice appointment away from Oregon's Right to Die law being overturned because a Bush appointment will have been programmed to obey Bush and ignore the voters of the state who voted for it?  (Both Alito and Roberts voted against the law.)  This doesn't sound like a party that respects States' rights very much.  And I won't live to see these rights restored in my lifetime because I will die before these Supreme Court justices do.  Particularly with a newly-diagnosed serious, chronic illness that will eventually cause an essential organ to destroy itself and no affordable health insurance, I will be one of the millions of disposable Americans who is just hung out to dry and die.

And did you know that in this *booming economy* there were increases in home foreclosures in every single quarter of 2005?  Almost 847,000 homes were foreclosed.  I doubt these were *deadbeats* but rather they were probably people who used to be in the middle class who suddenly found themselves hovering near the poverty level.

And forget about the abortion issue.  What will happen when the red states outlaw contraception because it is against the religious views of a few? 

People fear a civil war in Iraq.  Maybe we should look at our own country and recognize the brink of the civil war WE are on.

I believe that Democrats have tried to pass legislation.  I know Charles Shumer tried to pass a bill trying to fix the deplorable 5% of shipments that enter our ports daily.  The Republicans, who hold the majority vote, wanted nothing to do with that.

Since Bush came into office, fines for unsafe mines have been REDUCED to mine owners.  We've lost a couple dozen Americans due to unsafe mines; maybe that wouldn't have happened if Bush hadn't decided to reduce the fines involved in not obeying regulations.  I wonder if he's removed the right of these families to sue over these deaths, since he's made public his distaste for lawsuits.

While he loves to tout a booming economy, Incomes have actually gone DOWN since he's been President.  More and more people are working longer hours at multiple jobs for the same or less money.  Ask any MT on this board who's been affected by outsourcing.  I know it has personally affected me.

I could go on and on about oil prices, the New Orleans fiasco (turns out Brownie actually DID do a heck uva job but was hung out to dry by Bush). 

Unless the Democrats take back the House and the Senate in 2006, there's little chance that anything Bush broke can be fixed, even though most Republicans are wisely trying to distance themselves from this President.

I don't know WHO these impostors are who are in the White House, but I thought REPUBLICANS were supposed to be for less government interference in personal lives and a LESS government spending.

Bush and his followers truly are not Republicans, and I'm seriously considering moving to Canada, where the freedom that Bush wants to impose on every other country IN THE WORLD (by force, if necessary, whether they want it or not) but detesting that same freedom in the United States, can be found.

No, I don't hate Republicans at all.  In fact, I'd be appreciative and relieved to actually SEE one in the White House for a change. 

I'm not tied to a particular party, and I don't vote blindly based on party affiliation.  If Giuliani runs and has the numbers that could get him elected, I just might vote for him, Republican or not.  If he wins, he will have a huge job trying to restore all the rights that have been taken away by the time he assumes office. 

At this point, unless I see a viable Democrat with a backbone and some common sense, I won't be voting for a Democrat.  Hillary has no backbone, and though I thought I might vote for her previously, she is no longer an option for me because I no longer trust her.

It seems the *righter* the Republican party goes, the *lefter* the Democratic party goes, so much so that I've got to remember to stand up straight because I can't differentiate one leaning from another any more.