I suspect "Joe" is pretty happy
Posted By: gourdpainter on 2008-10-30
In Reply to: Joe the Plumber - the everyman's man. see message
with the outcome of his 15-minutes of fame. Probably won't have to worry about buying that "plumbing business" now. LOL
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No, actually I'm pretty happy, but...
...thanks for asking. 
Well, she is a pretty bitter lady.........she ain't happy
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Yeah, but my Candian friends are pretty happy with theirs
the sky is falling !!
Mine's 148, and I'm just "Joe MT".
"Joe the Plumber" legislation introduced...
Ohio has 2 representatives introducing legislation so that the leaks that took place about Joe's child-support, taxes, etc hopefully won't happen again. Although, w/ the rules concerning confidentiality, it shouldn't have happened to begin with. The head of Dept of Family & Human Services is on an unpaid month's suspension for this AND for using State computers to raise money for Obama's campaign.
Two state lawmakers today, Dec. 2, introduced legislation that’s supposed to prevent the kind of government snooping that dogged “Joe the Plumber” - Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher - during the presidential campaign
The legislation, introduced by Rep. Shannon Jones, R-Springboro, and Sen. Mark Wagoner, R-Toledo, would direct state agencies to:
*Fire any unclassified employee who violates privacy rules by improperly accessing confidential personal information.
*Set criteria for determining which employees may access or authorize access to confidential, personal information.
*Allow any citizen to make a written request to an agency or identify all personal, confidential information on that person maintained by the agency.
“The systematic misuse of government databases and the governor’s woeful under reaction to state government workers engaging in this outrageous behavior makes this bill necessary,” Jones said in a press release.
Strickland suspended director Helen Jones-Kelley of the Ohio Job and Family Services Department for a month without pay for her role in the “Joe the Plumber” case. Four other employees also were disciplined.
Ohio Inspector Tom Charles concluded that Jones-Kelley improperly authorized the searches of databases with personal information on Wurzelbacher of suburban Toledo. He became a key figure in the Ohio presidential campaign after questioning Democrat Barack Obama’s tax plans.
One does not refer to people as "Joe Six Pack" - it's disgusting!!!
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I suspect
you probably are not familiar with workers' movements and do not keep up with their news....not typically available on mainstream media, talk radio, newspapers and the like. There are grass roots movements within smaller local unions that work tirelessly on behalf of their members. I do not accept your stereotype of unions. They have done much more good than harm for workers in this country.
I suspect that it is the
homosexuals who are getting "poked with pointy sticks." That's why they stay so cranky. -Poke-
This is suspect....(sm)
Note the communication blackouts.....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#31334054
somehow I suspect there is more to that story. nm
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I suspect it is just stress and fatigue. nm
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I would suspect that Peggy Johnson
is in for a RUDE awakening.
And I suspect half of it will end when you return to school --
as you claim you will be doing soon (I hope). 
Former Head of Star Wars: Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 4 2006 The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney. Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security. Bowman worked secretly for the US government on the Star Wars project and was the first to coin the very term in a 1977 secret memo. After Bowman realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets, he left the program and campaigned against it. In an interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally on the GCN Radio Network, Bowman (pictured below) stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack. Bowman outlined how the drills on the morning of 9/11 that simulated planes crashing into buildings on the east coast were used as a cover to dupe unwitting air defense personnel into not responding quickly enough to stop the attack. The exercises that went on that morning simulating the exact kind of thing that was happening so confused the people in the FAA and NORAD....that they didn't they didn't know what was real and what was part of the exercise, said Bowman I think the people who planned and carried out those exercises, they're the ones that should be the object of investigation. Asked if he could name a prime suspect who was the likely architect behind the attacks, Bowman stated, If I had to narrow it down to one person....I think my prime suspect would be Dick Cheney. Bowman said that privately his military fighter pilot peers and colleagues did not disagree with his sentiments about the real story behind 9/11. Bowman agreed that the US was in danger of slipping into a dictatorship and stated, I think there's been nothing closer to fascism than what we've seen lately from this government. Bowman slammed the Patriot Act as having, Done more to destroy the rights of Americans than all of our enemies combined. Bowman trashed the 9/11 Commission as a politically motivated cover-up with abounding conflicts of interest, charging, The 9/11 Commission omitted anything that might be the least bit suspicious or embarrassing or in any way detract from the official conspiracy so it was a total whitewash. There needs to be a true investigation, not the kind of sham investigations we have had with the 9/11 omission and all the rest of that junk, said Bowman. Asked if the perpetrators of 9/11 were preparing to stage another false-flag attack to reinvigorate their agenda Bowman agreed that, I can see that and I hope they can't pull it off, I hope they are prevented from pulling it off but I know darn good and well they'd like to have another one. A mainstay of the attack pieces against Charlie Sheen have been that he is not credible enough to speak on the topic of 9/11. These charges are ridiculed by the fact that Sheen is an expert on 9/11 who spends hours a day meticulously researching the topic, something that the attack dogs have failed to do, aiming their comments solely at Sheen's personal life and ignoring his invitation to challenge him on the facts. In addition, from the very start we have put forth eminently credible individuals only for them to be ignored by the establishment media. Physics Professors, former White House advisors and CIA analysts, the father of Reaganomics, German Defense Ministers and Bush's former Secretary of the Treasury, have all gone public on 9/11 but have been uniformly ignored by the majority of the establishment press. Will Robert Bowman also be blackballed as the mainstream continue to misrepresent the 9/11 truth movement as an occupation of the fringe minority? Bowman is currently running for Congress in Florida's 15th District. --------------------------------- http://www.prisonplanet.com/article...mainsuspect.htm
I suspect the "sore spot" lies beneath the bonnet......nm
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Happy 4th to you too MT -
...and to everyone! I feel it an appropriate time to remember...I LOVE AMERICA...sappy but true:)Not even THEY can spoil that, ya know.
Happy comet watching! Here's a link for anyone interested in seeing the collision:
http://www.space.com/deepimpact/
http://www.space.com/deepimpact/
So happy here
Bunch of corrupt individuals..Frist is waiting in the wings.
Oh Happy Day
Sunday, Oct. 02, 2005
Power Outage
House leader Tom DeLay's indictment upends the Republicans' to-do list and their outlook for next year's elections. Can they recover in time?
By KAREN TUMULTY AND MIKE ALLEN
The news that House Majority Leader Tom DeLay had been dreading for months was brought by an aide, who interrupted DeLay's weekly lunch with Dennis Hastert in the House Speaker's office. DeLay absorbed it, and then the man widely called the Hammer on Capitol Hill (though rarely to his face) did what he does best: he hit back. All right, DeLay replied. Let's go. Let's go fight. Less than three hours later, before a roomful of reporters, DeLay addressed a Texas grand jury's charge that he and two political associates conspired to funnel $155,000 in illegal corporate campaign contributions into Texas legislative races. He called it one of the weakest, most baseless indictments in American history and the prosecutor who brought the case a partisan fanatic. That night, anxious to show he's not a recluse, he introduced Rudy Giuliani at a Friends of Israel banquet. DeLay even made an uncharacteristic round of the cable shows, hinting darkly on cnn that he would soon produce very good evidence that his nemesis, Travis County district attorney Ronnie Earle, had engaged in a conspiracy of his own--with the Democratic leadership here in Washington.
Combativeness has seen Tom DeLay through near-death experiences before, but on the Hill late last week, it was hard to miss the signs that his foot soldiers and allies had begun positioning themselves in anticipation of his demise. G.O.P. rules require that DeLay, 58, majority leader since 2003, relinquish his post while he fights the conspiracy charge, and speculation is rife that even if he is acquitted his days as one of the most powerful men in the House could be over. You leave a job like this, there is no coming back, says a top Republican official who likes DeLay and thinks he will be cleared. Politics abhors a vacuum more than anything else, and it's going to move past him too quickly.
Almost immediately, it did. A plan engineered by DeLay and Hastert to install complaisant Rules Committee chairman David Dreier as temporary majority leader was nixed by conservatives who dislike Dreier's moderate positions on stem-cell research and gay marriage. Instead the brain trust installed ambitious whip Roy Blunt, who will share some of the majority leader's duties with Dreier. The setup is so shaky that some House Republicans are pressing for the election of a new leadership team as early as January.
Meanwhile, lobbying shops that had traded on the access to DeLay were desperately dialing House aides to forge new relationships. Those not tied to DeLay were calling the same staff members to gloat. There's millions of dollars on the table, said an aide who had heard from both camps. These guys are going to slaughter each other. What's left of the G.O.P. leadership, already beset by a raft of other political problems, was trying to figure out how to salvage the ambitious legislative agenda of more tax cuts, hurricane help and gas-price relief that they want to carry them to next year's midterm elections--a more difficult challenge with the sidelining of the man who had so determinedly pulled off many of their close victories.
DeLay may not have seen the worst of it yet. Sources tell TIME that while Earle was closing in on DeLay from Austin, Texas, a federal investigation into the spreading scandal around disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, accused with Michael Scanlon (a former press secretary of DeLay's) of bilking their Indian-tribe clients out of $66 million, has begun lapping at the edges of the former majority leader's operation. A former Abramoff associate who was questioned by the FBI in August says, They had a lot of e-mails, a lot of traffic between our office and DeLay's office. Many of those exchanges involved lavish travel by DeLay arranged by the lobbyist but requested, the e-mails suggest, by aides in DeLay's office. (House members are allowed to accept gifts under limited circumstances but not to solicit them.) Says the source: There was nothing I saw that hit DeLay personally, but there was a lot of questionable stuff that was going on with his staff. 'Tom wants this. Tom wants that.' Was it really him or just the staff that was being aggressive? DeLay's office wouldn't comment on the Justice Department investigation, and neither would the FBI.
Republicans had plenty of problems even before the latest blow to DeLay. Voters are angry about gas prices, the war in Iraq and the botched response to Hurricane Katrina. Polls show President George W. Bush at or near the lowest public-approval ratings of his presidency. On the other side of the Capitol, Senate majority leader Bill Frist faces an investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission into the circumstances surrounding his decision to sell all of his stock in the hospital chain founded by his family, Hospital Corporation of America, in June, just before the share price dropped following a bad earnings report.
So dispirited are Republicans that some worry about losing control of the House--a danger that once seemed remote. We're looking in the crystal ball. We're moving into an area where we don't know what will happen, says deputy whip Tom Cole, a conservative from Oklahoma. With a switch of only 15 seats required to end their majority, Cole is anxious that the party may have to contest as many as 100 tight races if the winds arraying against it turn into a national backlash like the one that ended the Democrats' 40-year reign in 1994. Having seen how the Democrats failed to galvanize their voters in that campaign, Republicans say the chief goal in rewriting their strategy for the fall will be to re-energize their base. The plan taking shape calls for a robust conservative agenda through next spring, including a tax-reform package. That move would allow Republicans to pivot back to issues like education tax credits that would appeal more to moderates as the elections approach.
As for DeLay, his struggles appear likely to consume him for many months. He has launched what amounts to a major political campaign to convince supporters that the indictment is flimsy and he is a victim of a political smear. DeLay pointed to Democrats' vow to use G.O.P. ethics as a campaign issue, and supporters noted criticism of Earle in Texas for speaking in May to a $100,000 fund raiser for a Democratic political action committee (PAC). But DeLay has produced no evidence Earle conspired with Democrats in Washington.
While it's true that Earle and DeLay have been locked in a complicated war of Texas-size egos for years, the charges against DeLay are fairly simple. During the 2002 elections, a committee DeLay founded to support conservative politicians--Texans for a Republican Majority, or TRMPAC--allegedly accepted $155,000 in corporate donations and then included that in a check for $190,000 to the Republican National Committee, which then routed a similar amount to seven Texas legislative candidates. DeLay's lawyers say the transactions were separate and that the PAC accepted money from both individuals and corporations. The contribution helped produce six wins that were crucial to DeLay's political ambitions in Washington because they resulted in a Republican majority in the state legislature, which redrew congressional district lines and helped add five more Republicans to the state's congressional delegation. If convicted, DeLay faces up to two years in prison and a maximum fine of $100,000.
DeLay has done his best to paint the D.A. as a Democratic loose cannon. But Earle, 63, points out that of the 15 public officials he has prosecuted, 12 have been fellow Democrats. Texas law makes it a felony for corporations and labor unions to contribute money to political campaigns, Earle tells TIME. My job is to prosecute felonies. I'm doing my job. The grand jury foreman, William Gibson, 76, insists that this was not one of those rubber-stamp deals. Ronnie Earle did not indict Mr. DeLay. Twelve people on that grand jury voted to indict.
If DeLay has cause for hope, it may be that Earle has been more successful convicting minor figures than major ones. The majority leader has put together a legal team headed by Dick DeGuerin, who handed Earle the most spectacular failure of his career: a 1994 misconduct case against former state treasurer Kay Bailey Hutchison that Earle was forced to drop on the first day of trial. Hutchison is now the state's senior Senator.
There are those who predict that DeLay will be able to balance mounting a defense with pulling strings behind the scenes in the House. But whereas he had been accustomed to just stepping downstairs to the majority leader's spacious suite of Capitol offices after a House vote, dusk last Thursday afternoon found DeLay outside on the Capitol Plaza, waiting at a traffic light to return to his office in the Cannon House Office Building across the street. Just like any other Congressman. |
Happy day
I have been a vegetarian for more than 30 years and am also pro Native American. I have not celebrated Thanksgiving for many years. However, I do celebrate a day of getting together with family and friends and a day of appreciation..So, to all my liberal friends/co-posters..**Happy Day**..There are truly better days coming..
Happy 4th to Everyone!
I hope we never forget that brave American soldiers fought and died for our freedom to post on this very board! Here's hoping that we all still have the same freedoms in the USA next year this time as we have today.
My flag is hanging proudly. I hope you all have a wonderful day. 
Happy 4th to you and everyone!
She sure does not seem happy about it.sm
JMHO but to me it is hands off unless invited.
I'm happy s/m
To see that a couple of people will stand up with me. This nation was founded on the principals of Christianity. We kicked God out of our schools, courthouses and everywhere else a few thought He should go and look where we are now. Kids killing each other in the schools, etc. etc. Now I hear they want to take "In God We trust" off of our money. And my further opinion.........these radical evangelicals who think that anyone who says, "Lord, Lord" must be a Bible thumping Christian, have done more to turn people away from God than the other way around. No wonder we're in such a mess.
For anyone who wants to jump on this as "religion"....well don't. I don't propose that anyone who doesn't want to turn to God be forced to do so but I do believe that it is high time that Christians.....or those who follow Christ (or try to)... stand up and be heard. AND I believe when enough of us do that, God will lead us. Again....this is my opinion and I'm not talking about "religion," I'm talking about those of us who have accepted Jesus Christ as our Savoir. He gave us a choice to accept Him or reject Him and I don't believe he would want us to cram him down anyone's throat who does not want to be a believer.
I'm off my stump now.
Am I happy?
I must admit that I am not happy about Barrack Obama winning. I do still have some fear because it seems like there is so much about him that we do not know. I still worry about his inexperience as well.
However, I hope he is successful as president. I don't wish him to fail because if he fails.....we all fail. I hope he is a wonderful president who can bring us out of our crisis. We will just have to wait and see.
Just because I'm worried and scared of what is to come....doesn't mean I won't give him a chance. I will give him a chance and hope and pray that I was wrong about him all along, but until he proves to me that I am wrong....I'm still naturally going to be worried, nervous, scared, etc. That doesn't make me unpatriotic or a radical republican. It makes me human.
I'm not happy
I'm not happy about any assassination talk about anyone. I would be MORE upset if McCain/Palin had been LYING about Obama, but they were not.
The original article talks about there always being a surge in this type of activity after every election. There is more of a surge this time because Obama is African-American. I'm pretty sure they saw that coming. I'm also pretty sure the Secret Service can deal with it.
End of discussion.
Hey, I'm happy to have someone
else munching on crow alongside me. LOL Have a Happy Crow Eating Day!
Why are you happy about this? Why would be want
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What I'm happy about is
not to be living in such a black and white world. This is not a question of whether or not you respect Obama. This is about the knee-jerk hatred expressed by sore losers. Just because W has earned such deep and broad disapproval (the kindest word I can think of) and has taught us all that we cannot trust government, does not mean that we have the right to assume that Obama cannot and will not take us to a higher level and get us back in touch with who we really are.
He may not have earned your respect, but he DOES deserve to have his chance. You don't want to come out of the darkness and into the light? Fine. Hunker on down in that dark damp dungeonof yours, but please stop trying to drag te rest of us down there with you.
Not happy, but if I were, I would not act like a
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Don't be so happy.
"To be sure, Obama and his staff have long insisted that they are not measuring their progress on the whims of the markets. One day's gains can be tomorrow's losses. But for those in the commentariat who are down on what has happened under the current president's watch, it's worthwhile putting recent developments in historical context." Your input, not mine.
At lunch time, it was down, but by the end of the day, it was up. The market is not "ready" to rebound yet. Too much still up in the air. I don't get where you think 1 or 2 days gain is the greatest thing that happend since apple pie. If I had a bunch of money to throw away, I might be throwing some into the stock market now and taking it out tomorrow, but I don't, so I won't. Those that do have the money are doing just that, putting in and taking out the same day. That's not a very reliable way to judge the stock market.
Granted, if it would keep going up, I might move my 401K into a more aggressive portfolio, but after losing more than $7K, I'd rather wait. I only had triple that in a pension plan, so I would rather be safe than sorry.
This does not mean the plan is working yet and I'd rather be safe with what's left of my piddling 401K than sorry.
Don't jump on the bandwagon yet. There's still a lot left to be desired in the plans and/or laws that they are trying to put in place.
How can anyone be happy with
a president who spends more in a few months than Bush did in 8 years? How can you be happy with a man who said he would sign no bill with pork in it and then turn around and not even read a bill and sign it loaded with pork? How can a man who campaigns on pulling troops out of Iraq be praised for what he is doing when he has extended the time line to keep troops in Iraq and is sending more to Afgan? How can you praise a man for giving rights to people who wish to have an abortion but at the same time take away the rights of those who might refuse to perform it because they don't believe in it? How about the fact that he would appoint no lobbyists and turned around and did just that? A man who obviously bows to the Saudi King and then lies about it when it is on video tape!!
This isn't prejudging someone. It is seeing a politician for what he is.....a liar.
It never ceases to amaze me that just because someone doesn't agree with Obama that they are instantly categorized as racist or prejudice. Doesn't it occur to you people that maybe I don't like Obama because he is a liar and it has nothing to do with his race. A liar is a liar no matter what race or sex a person is.
I'm so sick and tired of the race card. Obama is the president and each president deals with criticism. It isn't like this is a new fad of criticizing the president just because he is of mixed race. If McCain had won, he would have been criticized for every little thing he did too. Deal with it!
Very happy for you.
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I am not happy about that at all.
But he isn't the only one abusing tax payer dollars and that crap continues to happen in both parties. I personally feel that we should go after all the jackarses who misuse taxpayer money......but if we did that.....we wouldn't have anyone left. LOL!
Exactly. Now people are happy for
How ridiculous.
Nope. Not happy yet.
Most, if not all, of YOUR posts are incredibly tasteless, in addition to being rude, crude, offensive and frequently untrue. Yet, NO liberal has accused you of saying they aren't allowed to speak.
Incredibly tasteless = Not permitted to speak IN WHAT WAY?
Are you agreeing that the poster lied in saying that Army Mom was told she wasn't allowed to speak?
No, of course you're not doing that.
Never mind.
Happy Thanksgiving to Everyone! sm
We have a lot to be thankful for. I hope all of you have a blessed holiday tomorrow! 
Happy Thanksgiving
Happy Thanksgiving to you also -- from another Democrat!
Yes, Happy Thanksgiving to all. (nm)
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Happy to oblige
you might want to tell your friend Carla the same thing as she has been over on our board ;)
Happy Independence Day! nm
Happy Labor Day!
Labor Day, the first Monday in September, is a creation of the labor movement and is dedicated to the social and economic achievements of American workers. It constitutes a yearly national tribute to the contributions workers have made to the strength, prosperity, and well-being of our country. Taken from http://www.dol.gov/opa/aboutdol/laborday.htm.
Tip your hat if you have worked hard in 2006!!!
Happy New Year to you too....
As I said, I think it was probably a multitude of things, sick and fed up just pegged on the antiwar always bleak diatribe, it was the holidays and I am sure she was missing her son acutely, and the post, in my view and I don't have a son in Iraq, was very cold and matter of fact on an issue that is not matter of fact and calls in many human emotions...in short, she just had to vent. She did not expect war support. She was just tired of sitting there quiet. She may never post here again. All I was saying is that maybe that should have been taken into consideration and give her a pass that one time instead of coming back and slamming her. Just a little empathy would have been nice. That is all I was saying. I have defended liberals for going on once in awhile as well. And oddly, I have been criticized for that as well. LOL. Politics. Gotta love it.
I was happy after the last debate
I like Hillary, but she makes me a little nervous. My biggest question would be - would she be able to pull the parties together enough to get things done? I'm not so sure.
I have been very happy that Barack Obama has been stepping up recently and making sure his views are known. That's exactly what I have been wanting him to do. If he keeps up with the powerful speeches, I think his numbers will climb. If the primaries were tomorrow, I'd vote for him. I think he could bring people together.
happy with the choice of
Gregory for Meet the Press. I think the team at NBC and MSNBC have put together in the last year is exceptional. Its a good feeling to have faith in our new president, his cabinet appointees and even the media covering him. I think maybe we had to hit Bush-rock bottom to be able to get our act together. Did anyone hear that Rev Wright called Eliz Hasselback a dumb blonde or such other phrase.
I'm happy for you and that your decision
Had your family or the father tried to force you to abort, you would have acted accordingly and not listened to them, rather to your inner voice. There is no one-decision-fits-all when answering this question. For that reason, it is only fair that each woman is given the same consideration, to listen to their own gut and act in accordance to what it is telling her. She too will face the outcome, regardless of what the resolution will be and that is as it should be. If you are "tired" of hearing "my body, my right," don't listen. You made your choice. Let others have the same.
Happy. I actually found it myself just now....along with
So, it seems that McCain also has a refundable tax credit in his plan too...larger, in fact than Obama's. $2500 for individuals and $5000 for couples for health insurance. This begs my original question, which yet have to answer.
Whe Obama adjusts taxs rates within our historical progressive tax structure, it's socialism. When anybody else does it, it's not. So, I am wondering...if Obama has a smaller refundable tax credit in his plan than McCain, why is it welfare under Obama and not under McCain?
Exactly. The dems should just be happy O won,
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me too.. very HAPPY Obama won
Relieved and happy
A very happy Thanksgiving to you. :)
And here's hoping you get a respite from the 60-hour work week.
happy holidays
No evictions or sale of foreclosed homes November 26 through January 9th.
That is really sad.
Happy Thanksgiving.
I know we often don't agree on this board and sometimes don't get along.
However, I hope each and every poster has a wonderful, happy, healthy Thanksgiving.
At this point in time, we have much to be concerned about, but we also have much to be thankful for. I personally am thankful for the mere fact that I'm still here and breathing and will enjoy another Thanksgiving with my family.
I hope in the year ahead that we can learn to get along with each other a little more, that respect and politeness will trump contempt and anger. If we can manage that, then I will have that as an additional thing to be grateful for next Thanksgiving, if I'm fortunate enough to still be here a year from now.
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