I think you have the 2 parties mixed up. (nm)

• Has anyone noticed Republicans are getting nastier and angrier? - Mrs. M
  • I think you have the 2 parties mixed up. (nm) - Backwards typist
  • I see the opposite - Kaydie
  • sometimes people are sore losers - shelly
    • How can we be sore losers - nobody has won or lost yet. - Kaydie
    • I am independent, but have seen just the opposite - SP haters in particular, nastiest people.nm
      • Jealous of her is more the truth - sm
        • What pray tell is there to be jealous of? n/m - gourdpainter
      • Of course, because it takes high thinking to discuss - Obama's tax plan....the real one nm
        • Whatever. Just more nastiness. - Zville MT
          • Not nastiness....just people like you who tries to - keep others from thinking for themselves.

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I actually see both sides.  I don't like the idea of government telling businesses what they can and can't do because that is scary to let the government have so much control.  However, if you are getting government money, government should have a say in where that money goes.  This is a tough one for me.  Like I said, I can see both sides.

I know...the sky is falling....someone actually seeing things from both sides.  What are the chances? 

That was just pitiful.

O'Reilly is a SELF-PROCLAIMED traditionalist, not an independent.  Look it up.

I lost my father to emphysema so this subject is very touchy to me.  I HATE cigarettes with a passion.  On one side, I think it is great that they are going to control what tobacco companies put in their cigarettes.  My mom and I have said for years that all the crap they put in tobacco is just ridiculous.  Surely there is a way they can "clean up" their cigarettes so to speak.  I can't help but wonder how many years my dad lost in his life due to his cigarette smoking.  I remember vividly how many times he tried to quit and just couldn't do it.  The man literally smoked until one day he couldn't breathe and my mom called 911.  My dad was rushed to the hospital.  He had started to turn bluish gray.  He lived 4 days after that.  He never came home and that was 2 years ago. 

However, I agree that...what is next...alcohol....fast food...etc.  There are a lot of alcohol related illnesses and there are also a lot of illnesses related to being overweight.  Then we have the people on illegal drugs, etc.  I'm tired of government involvement in every little thing and yet at the same time I can't be unhappy with this whole tobacco thing.  Call me a hypocrit if you will, but cigarettes have cost me 2 grandpas, 1 uncle, and a dad.  I'd be happy if cigarettes were gone totally but that is just me.

I've never walked in their boots, and I can't imagine what it must be like to wonder if every single next step you take might be your last, especially if a soldier is completely worn out, physically, mentally and emotionally because he or she is forced to do multiple tours. 

I can't imagine what it might be like to see one or more of your buddies killed by a group of people who don't abide by the rules of war.  I can't imagine how long I'd be in a position like that before I would simply snap and go beserk.

These young people must be stretched beyond any human limit, and although I don't condone it or agree with it, at the same time, there's no way in my heart that I can condemn them. 

The military can punish them all they want.  But if these young Iraqi War soldiers are anything like the Vietnam War veterans I personally know, I can promise you that there is no prison more painful and punitive than their own personal prisons that their minds, hearts, bodies and souls inhabit. 

We don't know for sure that these soldiers weren't following orders.  They have a commander-in-chief who favors torture, so anything is possible.  Deep in my heart, I feel these soldiers are just being used scapegoats to protect those in the highest of command who gave the orders they followed.

I constantly condemn this war and the lies and liars that led to it, but I find it impossible to feel any ill feelings towards these soldiers for actions that may very well have been orders they were obeying from higher-ups.  I also can't condemn them if they just *snapped.*  A human being can only take so much, and I believe these poor soldiers have been stretched way beyond what most humans could endure.

Would like to see Obama, at least as a vice-presidential possibility. 

As diverse as America is - still pretty racist deep-down (and misogynistic).  We need to become more color-blind as well as able to accept that women can be strong powerful leaders also. 

The Libertarian Party has nominated former Congressman Bob Barr, the Constitution Party has nominated pastor and radio talk show host Chuck Baldwin, and the Green Party has nominated former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. Ralph Nader declined to seek the Green Party nomination and is running as an independent candidate.  That is in addition to the Ron Paul fans as well as McCain and Obama.

What did we get out of the debate last night?  That same ole crap Obama and McCain have been throwing around since the get go.  Imagine what that would be like with all these other people thrown in the debate as well. 

President Kennedy  http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/The+Kennedy+White+House+Parties.htm

President Clinton  http://mediamatters.org/items/200502190003

President Bush  http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/12/13/letter_ed3__5.php

And I found many, many more hits - just too many to post!

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/04/14/jacobs_democrats_tea_parties/

There is considerable reason for ardent supporters of both parties to be increasingly concerned about the direction the country is being taken (shoved!) by the Obama-Pelosi-Reid troika, which has already shown that it is far more radical in its liberal agenda, in its contempt for states' rights, its palpable fear of conservatives, and in its "globalism" than many Democrats can stomach.  The pendulum has swung too far, and now it threatens to come off its hinge entirely.  It must be swung back toward the middle before it is too late.

Can it ever become too late?  History says "yes" - and the tipping point can be reached with astonishing speed and little warning.  I never cease to be amazed that so many Americans seem to be so ignorant of history that they have no real appreciation of how little it takes to destroy even the mightiest of nations, or how many seem to believe that "something" would never let this happen to America. They cannot imagine a world in which there is no America or, what is more likely, an America that becomes an extension of the socioeconomically incompetent system of "government uber alles"  that now literally stinks up Europe. 

Here's a very disturbing oxymoron about the "troika" that the mainstream press has not bothered to look into:  Given that the world is quite obviously becoming more dangerous rather than less so, and given an administration that believes so strongly that big government spending is the solution to the current recession with massive increases to almost every government agency, how is it that the Department of Defense is the only skeleton at the feast?  With extraordinary ineptitude, the day after North Korea defied the world and launched its intercontinental ballistic missile, the Obama administration announced defense cuts, including the missile defense program - which has shown that it works.

Now we have a grave situation developing with respect to illegal immigration.  Not only are the labor unions beginning to collude with the illegals, but the number of "anchor babies" born in the US to illegals has nearly doubled from 2.7 million per year in 2003 to over 4 million in 2008.  Is there anyone on this forum who understands what is happening here?

I know that Americans of most political persuasions, including independents, are becoming very alarmed, as well they should.  What concerns me now is that we might already be past the tipping point.  We must restore two-party government to Washington in 2010, or I believe there will be no turning back from this calamitous course.

All this controversy over the number in attendance af last week's tea parties, and who was there!  I would think over a quarter-million participants would rank right up there as far as demonstration statistics go.

There was another demonstration in 1995 which planned to attact a million demonstators.  Wikipedia has this:

......... Finally, within the first twenty-four hours following the March a conflict between March organizers and Park Service officials erupted over crowd size estimates. Initially, the National Park Service issued an estimate of about 400,000 attendees; a number significantly lower than March organizers had hoped for. After a heated exchange between leaders of the March and Park Services the estimate was raised to 850,000*  but still fell short of the organizers’ estimate of over 1 million. The controversy over the number of men who actually participated in the March has yet to be firmly resolved.  *[guess they were getting the 2 for 1 special?] 

Even back then, folks were hollering 'recount,'  I don't recall seeing any female or white faces in that crowd, either. I think that was pretty sexist and racist.  The point is, you hang with like-minded individuals.  Nobody put out the 'whites only' sign at the tea parties.  It was equal opportunity, and if you were a hard-working black business owner you might have been there.

Arlen Specter, who has always been the weirdest "Republican" senator, has decided to switch to the Democrats, saying "I now find my political philosophy more in line with the Democrats than the Republicans". 

You're just discovering this, are you Arlen?  The rest of the world has known this for years.  You should read a newspaper now and then. 

Forget about the fundamental ethical problem here - i.e., the betrayal of the voters' trust  that any legislator commits when he runs under one party and then switches horses afterward.  I say "forget about it" because this is only one of the multitude of deceptions that legislators like Specter engage in throughout their careers.  One more ripple in this maelstrom of representational malfeasance is scarcely noticeable any more.  Even a used car salesman is prohibited from pulling bait-and-switch tricks on the public, but then whoever said a Congressman should have as much integrity as a used car salesman?

And, this won't make much difference during the current term either, because Specter was a pretty reliable vote for Obama's socialist programs anyway.  He was one of the three Republicans who broke ranks and cleared the way for the "emergency" (quick - before the voters read it!) funding package and like everyone else who voted for it he did so without reading most of it.

Where this could make a difference (unless Democrat voters in Pennsylvania find Specter's duplicity as disgusting as anyone with moral sense should) is that this boosts his chances of reelection.  As things were shaping up, he was not going to get any support from Republicans or Democrats next time out.  Now, he hopes the Democrats will vote for him - and he'll undoubtedly get a lot of money from Democratic party headquarters that he would never have had from the Republican side because they're sick of him..

Let's really get a clear understanding of what we're talking about here, which is a senator taking the moral low road for the sole purpose of preserving his own position.  It is a raw, naked, and some might even say desperate effort to keep power within his clutches and get himself reelected at any cost, no matter what his actions do to further disgrace Congress - a body that has already lost most of the esteem that Americans once had for it.

Specter will be running for his 6th term and now becomes the best argument - the poster child, in fact  -  for term limits.  Again I say (and would say this regardless of which way Specter was switching) - we MUST get control of the subversion of the political process by people who will do anything - including betraying their own voters - to accumulate and retain power for themselves, and the ONLY way to do this is to impose term limits.