I have mixed feelings on this subject.
Posted By: Trigger Happy on 2009-06-23
In Reply to: Okay, so when will we - gourdpainter
I lost my father to emphysema so this subject is very touchy to me. I HATE cigarettes with a passion. On one side, I think it is great that they are going to control what tobacco companies put in their cigarettes. My mom and I have said for years that all the crap they put in tobacco is just ridiculous. Surely there is a way they can "clean up" their cigarettes so to speak. I can't help but wonder how many years my dad lost in his life due to his cigarette smoking. I remember vividly how many times he tried to quit and just couldn't do it. The man literally smoked until one day he couldn't breathe and my mom called 911. My dad was rushed to the hospital. He had started to turn bluish gray. He lived 4 days after that. He never came home and that was 2 years ago.
However, I agree that...what is next...alcohol....fast food...etc. There are a lot of alcohol related illnesses and there are also a lot of illnesses related to being overweight. Then we have the people on illegal drugs, etc. I'm tired of government involvement in every little thing and yet at the same time I can't be unhappy with this whole tobacco thing. Call me a hypocrit if you will, but cigarettes have cost me 2 grandpas, 1 uncle, and a dad. I'd be happy if cigarettes were gone totally but that is just me.
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I have mixed feelings on this.
I actually see both sides. I don't like the idea of government telling businesses what they can and can't do because that is scary to let the government have so much control. However, if you are getting government money, government should have a say in where that money goes. This is a tough one for me. Like I said, I can see both sides.
I know...the sky is falling....someone actually seeing things from both sides. What are the chances? 
I have mixed feelings about
legalizing marijuana. I think that cancer patients, MS patients, etc. should have the option of using if they so choose. However, I'm afraid that if we legalize it, it will just lead to more of our kids using it because it is more socially acceptable. One of my biggest pet peeves is those people at parks who think that because we are all outside that their cigarette smoke won't bother other people. It is bad enough that non-smokers have to deal with THAT let alone legalizing marijuana and having to deal with people smoking that around us in parks, at ball parks, etc. I seriously would be super ticked off if I saw someone smoking pot at my son's T-ball game whether it is legal or not.
mixed feelings
I also have mixed feelings on the subject of alcohol. I am not in support of restricting this free choice at all, but what I would really like to see is more enforcement and stiffer penalties for drunken driving. Too many of these jerks have 5, 6, 7 and more drunk driving offenses, and keep on driving. Having lost my beautiful 32-year-old sister-in-law, mother of 3 and pregnant with her 4th baby, to a drunk driver with 3 prior offenses, His penalty was 10 years in jail, but he was out in a lot less. My SIL's husband is without a mate for life and her children are without a mother, too young at the time to really even remember her much. Our entire family has suffered a huge loss because of the misuse of alcohol. I get just nuts when I hear of some other drunk with multiple offenses continuing to drive - legally - and see some bartender who doesn't cut people off and get them a cab when it is obvious they have had way too much.
I've got mixed feelings, too, Democrat.
I've never walked in their boots, and I can't imagine what it must be like to wonder if every single next step you take might be your last, especially if a soldier is completely worn out, physically, mentally and emotionally because he or she is forced to do multiple tours.
I can't imagine what it might be like to see one or more of your buddies killed by a group of people who don't abide by the rules of war. I can't imagine how long I'd be in a position like that before I would simply snap and go beserk.
These young people must be stretched beyond any human limit, and although I don't condone it or agree with it, at the same time, there's no way in my heart that I can condemn them.
The military can punish them all they want. But if these young Iraqi War soldiers are anything like the Vietnam War veterans I personally know, I can promise you that there is no prison more painful and punitive than their own personal prisons that their minds, hearts, bodies and souls inhabit.
We don't know for sure that these soldiers weren't following orders. They have a commander-in-chief who favors torture, so anything is possible. Deep in my heart, I feel these soldiers are just being used scapegoats to protect those in the highest of command who gave the orders they followed.
I constantly condemn this war and the lies and liars that led to it, but I find it impossible to feel any ill feelings towards these soldiers for actions that may very well have been orders they were obeying from higher-ups. I also can't condemn them if they just *snapped.* A human being can only take so much, and I believe these poor soldiers have been stretched way beyond what most humans could endure.
Mixed feelings - Bills speech was excellent.
To be honest I didn't watch her speech - refused to. I didn't feel like listening to her talk about me, me, me and how she feels she really won. So - in all fairness I don't know whether it was a good speech or not. What I have read about her speech is that someone said she said the party needs to be united and support Barack. I read another article that said she didn't do anything to unite the party. And I read another article that said Hillary's speech was a blow to the campaign and because of it Baracks ratings have dropped. I read all of this on the drudge page and I do believe there are both liberals and conservatives there, but I could be wrong. In honesty I can't tell you what I thought of it, and I think my hatred for her really is not fair to her but it does make me biased against anything she has to say.
On the other hand - I thought I hated Bill Clinton more than I did her and I was planning to refuse to listen to his speech tonight, however, found myself to curious so I did listen. Once he got past the praising Hillary & his presidency (which he didn't do as much as I thought he would) I actually thought his speech was very good. Well thought out and I thoroughly enjoyed it and my opinion of him has definitely changed (we just won't tell my mother-in-law - think she'd have a seizure- ha ha ha).
Bill Clinton for the first time finally came out backing Barack and listed the reasons why we need Barack as president, and why he is the right choice. He was sincere, intelligent, and I actually enjoyed his speech.
I have heard that Bill Clinton has planned that he is not going to be there tomorrow when Barack walks out to give his acceptance speech he is going to leave (I guess a protest that Hillary didn't get picked), but after his speech tonight I wonder if that was just a rumor. Time will tell.
I still think he was a horrible horrible present for 8 years (one of the worst presidents in history), but tonight he showed a different side to him and I give him credit for that.
I think you have the 2 parties mixed up. (nm)
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sorry sam, got the messages mixed up
your right. I thought that gourdpainter was saying people on this board were going to be responsible for attacking Obama then I thought she was calling us skinheads. HA HA HA HA....definitely good thing I went and took a dinner break. Now I understand what she was saying and what your reply was. Thanks for clarifying. Sorry, didn't mean any offense to you. I just get irrited at being attacked all the time.
Mixed messages...(sm)
You basically just said we are all in this together but pi$$ on the poor people. Unbelievable. 
Mixed butt? ...(sm)
That was just pitiful.
O'Reilly is a SELF-PROCLAIMED traditionalist, not an independent. Look it up.
you got Bush mixed up with Bill Clinton...it was....(sm)
all Clinton's cronies who ended up on Wall Street, FM/FM, etc., in charge, who were still there when everything tanked.....Clinton's cronies have profited, not Bush's
no, not wrong thread j- mssg mixed on 2 threads
she said she didn't believe in same-sex marriages - there has to be something sacred left in this country. I responded " boo...hisss" - she then ripped me at the top calling me an old hag for asking who descended from the heavens to give her the last word on what is sacred..............whew.........
No women/no non-whites - It's cultural baggage. How about a mixed ethnicity candidate?
Would like to see Obama, at least as a vice-presidential possibility.
As diverse as America is - still pretty racist deep-down (and misogynistic). We need to become more color-blind as well as able to accept that women can be strong powerful leaders also.
My feelings exactly
unfortunately.
Just my feelings on it
Well, I don't know about any others, but to me that is a lot of money (quadruple what I'm used to making) and I don't feel the program's basic intent was to give financial help to people in that income bracket, the intent was to help the minimum wage earners who would not be able to afford insurance AT ALL even if it were offered through their employers. If they set the cap that high, why bother to have a cap at all?
When I lived in Michigan I believe they had a similar program that was not based on income at all, but based on whether the parents were working or not. It had been noticed that some people felt justified staying on welfare because they couldn't insure their children if they were working at minimum wage, so this was an incentive to get them to work. It was very cheap (like $5 or $10 a month per child); at the time I had insurance through my employer and didn't utilize it, as I assumed it was mainly for minimum wage earners/those whose employers didn't offer any insurance. Another reason I didn't utilize it was I assumed the coverage might be substandard to what I had, and less providers might be available that would take it. Michiganders - correct me if I'm wrong about this program.
My feelings exactly......
These wars go back centuries. The Palistinians have never wanted peace and never will. There are many Palistinians and Israelites that have lived side by side in peace for the most part, until the Palistinian so-called leaders and just those that plain out hate start rearing their ugly heads again. If the Palistinian leaders weren't worried about their people before the bombings, why now? The terrorist leaders have never worried about the hospitals, schools, or anything else for that matter. Their country does live in a very primative existence compared to what it could but the terrorist leaders certainly do not want their people to think for themselves. Heaven forbid!!
If Palestine meant anything to those that "rule them", then they would see that Hamas is obliterated from the face of the earth but they won't and that is why this will continue until God calls us home......Israel and its people are God's chosen. Israel has been patient beyond belief with these people and at some point they have enough. Perhaps Palestians leaders should really put their concern in their own country instead of their putred hate and then change for the better could happen.
I can only tell you what my feelings were this morning...sm
when I saw CP on Meet the Press. We already knew from the lead in that he was going to support one candidate or the other. I respect him so much that I was praying he would endorse Obama but had no real feeling of which way he would go. I listened to what he had to say and felt his pain that he was a republican through and through but just could not endorse McCain. He spoke of their friendship over many years and how much he respected him but could not abide the far right direction and the negative tone that the campaign had taken. He said he is an American first and thinks that Obama is better for America than McCain.
You mirrored my feelings exactly!
I find it amazing that some people on this board who are making such an issue of the Obama birth certificate nonissue on "Constitutional" grounds don't seem to care what Bush has done (and is continuing to do, even in his supposed last days in office) to this country.
I was pretty ambivalent about Bush when he was first (s)elected. Quite frankly, Gore didn't excite me that much, either, and I was disappointed that in a country of a quarter of a billion people (at the time), these were the only TWO people we could find to run for President.
However, when Bush stood in that rubble with that megaphone, I developed huge respect for him and felt as if I was part of HIS America.
It was HIS very own actions that caused that respect to crumble, bit by bit, until I despised him and his "base," the same "base" on Wall Street that continues to rob us all to this very day.
He referred to the Constitution as a (expletive deleted) piece of paper, and his actions have proved his contempt for it. (Isn't it telling that I can't even copy his entire statement here because it's considered too vulgar??!!)
I've never felt such distrust for my government until the last eight years. I voted for Obama and will, like you, continue to trust him UNTIL he gives me a reason not to, and then I will be all over him (like you), but my days of just blanketly assuming my President is on the side of America and Americans are long gone.
My personal feelings aside,,,
the three branches of government were meant to be equal. It was never intended for the judicial branch to be able to "overrule" the legislative branch or the voters whenever they felt that it was appropriate. It is abuse of what was meant to be a check and balance, but who checks the courts. It would appear that they have worked themselves into the final say and that is really unfortunate.
Again, Carla I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings
and I know this had to be a horrendous Christmas...
However, I just don't share your views about this administration. I don't think trying to increase this country's intelligence and making the CIA and FBI better networking departments a controversial issue. When asked the question what American has the Patriot Act violated the dems are strangely quiet. They just continue to insist that Bush has done something wrong by increasing the intelligence level through wiretaps that every other American president was okayed to do.
I just don't understand congressmen and women standing up there having a hissy over Bush wire taps knowing, KNOWING, that the 4th plane on 9/11 was bound for an in session capital building. To me the Dems are BLINDED by partisan politcs. It frankly borders on sociopathic..
Bush has done nothing to to hurt Americans but only to protect them. Frankly, I'm glad he's got the guts to do what it takes to keep America safe. I don't know what *9/11 perps* you are talking about, but I don't think anyone has gone free. I really don't know why in the heck you care about terrorists rotting in jail in the first place. They are not American citizens and have none of the rights an American has. If the military was allowed to do what it was supposed to do and try them they would be dispensed with, but throwing them in the American legal system only condemed them to the piss poor, liberally manged American judicial system---who would much rather have a T.V. celebrity trial with all the trimmings than actually get down to work to putting some of the psychos and thugs behind bars or better yet....executing some the slime who prey on children and the innocent.
While I will never convince you to support this president you need to see things for what they really are. What is going to take for some of you to see that the president is not the problem but terrorism and partisan politics is? I guess it may take a much broader hit than 9/11. I pray it doesn't happen, but if you and the dems don't wake up and smell the coffee I'm afraid I could happen again.
of course I didn't share my feelings with my son, but thank you. nm
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You guys have the most dainty little feelings. sm
How DO you live in this world? My goodness! Ann Counter is HARDLY at the helm of the Republican party. In fact, there are a lot on the right who don't like her either. Can you guys talk about anything but hurt feelings?
I looked at it....and I understand the feelings...
however, you know where I stand. I stand on the sides of the soldiers who said *yes, it is our right to do that, that does not mean we have to exercise it* and *I myself would not have done that.* I do not blame any of those soldiers for appearing, other than I believe, whether intentions are good or not, that they worsened their situation by emboldening the enemy. I see that that was not a question that was asked. If those soldiers had to answer that question truthfully, a whole different debate might be out there.
Again, I support their right to do whatever they think is best; I do not support their timing. The problem is that others also have to live with the consequences of their actions. We all have a lot of rights to do a lot of things...we simply choose where and when to exercise those rights...using discretion...and considering how our actions will affect others. I had a right to carry a sign in the park across from the White House while Clinton was in office saying the President of the US is an admitted albeit unindicted felon, but I did not exercise that right. That is basically what I am talking about. It is how you choose to exercise the right...not that you HAVE the right. And I don't think hiding behind *I have the right* always excuses the fallout from the exercising. But you knew we would not agree on this.
I also have a problem with a statement like *the majority of the country is against the war in Iraq,* and *the majority of the military is against the war in Iraq.*
When you look at the percentages on the polls they are very close. Without giving the actual percentages, it gives the impression of a much larger gap. And they quoted the Military Times poll for the other statement. The Military Times does not now nor has it ever represented the majority of the American Military, and there is a definite bias there. But I will stop on that subject now.
As to biased on the part of CBS...I believe CBS probably actively hunted for this story, and I expect those gentlemen were paid well for their appearances, though we will never know that, and it really does not matter in the grand scheme of things.
Again...my feelings about Barack Obama have nothing to do...
with his color and one wonders why people keep bringing that up. My issue is with his policies and the direction he wants to take the country in. I would feel the same if he were white. Or Asian. Or Hispanic...or anything else.
Just because he is elected doesn't mean I am miraculously going to change the value system I grew up with and still have. I would not expect you to change yours if the other side had won. I would expect they would have to win you over...just like he will have to win me over. Just because he won I did not become an Obama supporter. Nothing has changed for me since yesterday as far as how I feel about him. He himself understands he has to earn my respect. So, I say to him...go ahead, President Obama. We shall see how it turns out.
Thanks so much! Sums my feelings up perfectly. nm
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My feelings exactly! It was a great show.
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You ascribe me feelings about people whose name I have never mentioned here.
His book is a bestseller. Evidently, many many people think he is credible. The world of credibility does not revolve around you, gt.
She apparently had no hard feelings. She supported
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Okay, no hard feelings. I had to leave for a while but I'm baaaaaack. LOL
I wasn't sure on that since you posted under my message.
Did the bad cartoon hurt your wittle feelings?
Ugh, get over it already.
Feelings, goals, interests, families...
yes. Normal no. Tolerance is far different than acceptance. I and no one in my huge family has ever harmed a person who indulges in homosexual acts. We are as tolerant as you can get as I imagine millions of others are. Just saying that homosexuality is wrong is construed to be intolerance or verbal abuse by the homosexual community.
I don't despise any women....please do not ascribe to me feelings I don't share...
and the scope of the issue is something you don't understand either, it would appear. There is nothing in that post to suggest I despise any women. I am against the procedure of abortion. Yes, you bet I am. I despise it. It is horrendous, horrible, terrible way to die. Why are people concerned about water boarding a terrorist but don't mind cutting a living human to ribbons? Nope, you're right, I don't understand it. I don't see any way TO understand it.
The poster made a good point about women resistant to birth control. All I said is if you add women who are resistant to all forms of birth control to women who have been raped or victims of incest, and when the life of the mother is in danger, you could cut abortions 85-90%. That would save a lot of lives. The last sentence was addressing those who say that the baby is not alive or moving at the time most abortions are performed and that is simply not true. The point I was trying to make is that when a woman has a planned, wanted pregnancy, if you tell her when she feels that movement that that child is not alive inside her, that would be a hard sell. The point is, it IS alive, and people want to rationalize abortion by saying they really aren't killing anything. THey are. Just be up front about it and say that they are pro choice, and if a woman makes a decision to take that child's life for whatever reason that is her choice. Fine. Just call it what it is. We have legalized killing of unborn children in this country and made it a cash industry. Not a good thing in my books.
Mere words cannot describe my feelings to your post....so I won't even try....
LOL...off the subject
Don't know if that's true about Bill or not, but the graphic showing the top 3 newsmakers with Mr. Floatie--join the movement gave me my much needed gut laugh for today.... 
What can I say...I like potty humor...please don't flame me 
On every subject
one can see good and bad. All people will never agree on anything.and there is good and bad in all people. I most certainly do not think blacks need to be compensated for their ancestors but count on it, that will happen no matter who is in the White House. I don't think slavery was right either but you know what? I wasn't around 150 years go to own any slaves so I'm not accepting any guilt trip. The repatrition (or whatever the word is), if that gets seriously considered in CONGRESS, you can bet my Senator and Representative will get an ear full from their old "friend" the gourd! LOL
I certainly don't mean to start a race war but blacks have the same opportunities in this country as whites. Have a look at one of the presidential candidates.
Do you even know what the subject is here?..(sm)
Yeah, I think I'm through with this board. The incoherent ramblings from pubs on here is getting boring.
He already has been subject to a different
standard. He had to run a campaign with little or no mistakes, which he did. He has always been held to a higher standard. If he had run a campaign like Clinton's or McCain's, he would have been a laughing stock. Being held to a higher standard will probably make him the best president we've seen in our lifetimes.
Just a little touchy about this subject.
Get so darn mad about the whole Iraq mess we are in, and wish it would go away. Bin Laden is a thorn in Bush's side because of the friendship between their families that it would be obscene for him to kill his friend. So transparent. Makes me ill to think of what he has done to this country, when there is a REAL threat with Iran. Now what? Our troops in Iraq fighting a war that can't be won, but Iran is now free to do whatever they want. Sorry about the harsh words earlier, just sick of the whole matter, and where we as a nation are headed. And it is good to see that his lying is finally coming out, what dispicable things he has said and done, and what a can of worms! Thank goodness it is coming out.
The subject in this thread is a cat.
How did we get to this? And is it really necessary to call names? I mean, we are civilized people after all. It's rather hard to understand why you attack someone even when they are AGREEING with you. I try to be respectful here, but it's very hard to communicate when the subject is changed constantly in a thread. Perhaps an I hate Bush and all conservative thread would be best started and all posts to that effect might go there. Nothing is being furthered here except what seems to be a very bad grudge. In a public forum. Really not cool.
On the subject of Plame...
what about Richard Armitage? Certainly no conservative, certainly no Bush lover, definitely against Iraq war...he said HIMSELF that he talked to the Washington Post about Plame being in the CIA before Libby said anything to Novak. He felt comfortable doing so because "it was common knowledge around Washington that Wilson's wife worked for trhe CIA." Wilson himself brought all this on with the op ed piece he wrote in the times trying to smear the administration. That is what made Novak say...hmmmm....why would the administration send a Bush hater to Niger? Welllll because the CIA suggested him...and whoooo in the CIA suggested him? Valerie Plame. But no one, including the illustrious Patrick Fitzgerald, paid a lick of attention to that.
Agendas, agendas, agendas. Wilson and Plame out to get the administration, Patrick Fitzgerald to get a name for himself...no matter what the cost. And poor old Scooter took the fall, along with the first amendment.
Oh well....all for the cause right? Get Bush no matter what. Sigh.
Looks like you want to keep arguing on a subject that's old and done with
We don't need to keep going over issues on abortion. We all know what abortion is. I started reading your post and didn't know if you were trying to give us a medical course on "what to expect when your expecting" or if you were preaching to us from a religious standpoint. This issue was discussed and debated and argued over extensively below. It looks like you were'nt satisfied and want to argue some more - and from what it sounds like from others this has just bored all of us to sleep. I thought the political board was for political discussions, not pregnancy lessons or religious beliefs about when a fetus actually becomes a human being.
Move on...too many other topics to discuss. BTW, no need to shout at us with your headline.
Well, on the subject of sex education...
I doubt Bristol thought what she engaged in could not cause pregnancy. I feel sure she knows what makes babies.
Now I am sure that out here in real america there are many thousands of families who have had a pregnancy like this in their families or know of one in close acquaintances. I don't think this argument is going to hold any water with them and I think they would be insulted by this.
Your Candidate knows that, that is why he just wishes that all his supporters who think they are helping him would just stop.
Your subject is JM's temper....sam's is
media bias, which is rampant, 100 to 1, if not more on the side of democrats. It's a fact. Period. No amount of spinning off subject can change that.
NP. This is most definitely a touchy subject
You got the right idea. Wish I had that kind of self control to just say no.
Yes, let's change the subject, shall we? NOT
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Not going to broach the subject with you nm
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the subject is deregulation
of insurance companies which would result in collapse of the industry. Can you image the results of that? Do you think it might affect your teeny tiny job in any way?
the subject is mccain's
suitability for president not your sick interest in Bill Clintons sex life. Contemplate it as much as you want to; the issue today is McCain vs Obama.
We are getting off the subject here...your point was...
why should anyone be afraid of him because he is just one man and he would have to get past Congress. My point was...they will have the majority. THere is no getting past then...clear sailing. Whatever agenda he wants...goes through. THAT was my point.
what does dancing have to do with the subject?
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Try reading up on a subject
See post under sam's blather.
This is just a very emotional subject
It definitely isn't for the weak at heart. ;)
Don't take anything on here personally.
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