If you're an example of a good Democrat...
Posted By: sm on 2008-10-15
In Reply to: You should be ashamed - You are a hater
God help this country if Obama wins.
You are a truly scary person.
I doubt anyone could read your post without picturing you as a crazed, red-in-the-face delusional street person with a whole shopping cart full of crazy and a rat on a string you call 'Willie.'
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So you're actually a Democrat!
Oh, sorry! It's just that critical thinking is so rare among those on the right it NEVER occurred to me that demonstrating a lack of it would place you anywhere else. My bad:) Unless, of course, you really are right of center, in which case I was spot on and no apology is necessary after all. Subject resolved!
You're right, Democrat.
They just don't give a fig about any of it...not a bit. :-( Who wants to take care of American infrastructure, education, healthcare, etc., etc., when there's so much warmongering/profiteering to be done?
Good post, Democrat.
I, too, hope the Iraqi Constitution passes. Like you said, the sooner it does, the sooner our soldiers can return home to their families.
Good post, Democrat.
Couldn't agree more. 
No, but we're so DAM' good at it.
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Good grief! You're right.
This IS scary!
I keep hearing how our soldiers are fighting so Iraqis can be free like Americans.
I wonder if anyone bothered to tell them what the Bush definition of freedom really is. Obviously, nobody really bothered to tell Americans. 
Oh, good. Nice to know you're not too far.
in the light of day.
Because they're greedy. What's good for the
middle class; i.e., us struggling to make ends meet, is not good enough for them.
Apparently, you're good for one-liners only.
Sort of like flatus...over in one little emotional gust, nothing much of subtance produced.
And you're very good at shooting the messenger.
It wouldn't matter what I posted here. You've already made up your mind that you hate me, and that's all there is to it. I could come in tomorrow and say I think Bush is the best president we've ever had, but you'd still attack me personally.
If you look at every single thread I have started here, I have never ONCE personally attacked a poster. I have always attacked an administration that is incompetent, dishonest and downright dangerous. The responses I have received have been attacks directed personally at me. Yet, when I respond in kind to those attacks, I'm crucified. If you're going to start the personal stuff, be prepared to get some of it right back at you.
If you disagree, why can't you discuss the reason you disagree? Why must you and the others always personally attack a poster? Must be because you simply can't defend your position, which is understandable.
I hope you have a very nice day. It would be very nice to have an intelligent, legitimate debate with you someday, one directed at the issues and not at a poster you have decided to hate.
That's all fine and good but you're not running
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Good point, if you're going to support something, you should be able to look at it (sm)
and still think you're right, right?
Swiftboating continues; you're in good company.
Walter Cronkite may be next...
Cronkite: Time for U.S. to Leave Iraq
By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television WriterSun Jan 15, 6:47 PM ET
Former CBS anchor Walter Cronkite, whose 1968 conclusion that the Vietnam War was unwinnable keenly influenced public opinion then, said Sunday he'd say the same thing today about Iraq.
It's my belief that we should get out now, Cronkite said in a meeting with reporters.
Now 89, the television journalist once known as the most trusted man in America has been off the CBS Evening News for nearly a quarter-century. He's still a CBS News employee, although he does little for them.
Cronkite said one of his proudest moments came at the end of a 1968 documentary he made following a visit to Vietnam during the Tet offensive. Urged by his boss to briefly set aside his objectivity to give his view of the situation, Cronkite said the war was unwinnable and that the U.S. should exit.
Then-President Lyndon Johnson reportedly told a White House aide after that, If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost Middle America.
The best time to have made a similar statement about Iraq came after Hurricane Katrina, he said.
We had an opportunity to say to the world and Iraqis after the hurricane disaster that Mother Nature has not treated us well and we find ourselves missing the amount of money it takes to help these poor people out of their homeless situation and rebuild some of our most important cities in the United States, he said. Therefore, we are going to have to bring our troops home.
Iraqis should have been told that our hearts are with you and that the United States would do all it could to rebuild their country, he said.
I think we could have been able to retire with honor, he said. In fact, I think we can retire with honor anyway.
Cronkite has spoken out against the Iraq war in the past, saying in 2004 that Americans weren't any safer because of the invasion.
Cronkite, who is hard of hearing and walks haltingly, jokingly said that I'm standing by if they want me to anchor the CBS Evening News. CBS is still searching for a permanent successor to Dan Rather, who replaced Cronkite in March 1981.
Twenty-four hours after I told CBS News that I was stepping down at my 65th birthday I was already regretting it and I've regretted it every day since, he said. It's too good a job for me to have given it up the way that I did.
Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.
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AND MURTHA:
Web Site Attacks Critic of War
Opponents Question Murtha's Medals
By Howard Kurtz and Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, January 14, 2006; A05
Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.), the former Marine who is an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, has become the latest Democrat to have his Vietnam War decorations questioned.
In a tactic reminiscent of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth assault on Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) during the 2004 presidential campaign, a conservative Web site yesterday quoted Murtha opponents as questioning the circumstances surrounding the awarding of his two Purple Hearts.
David Thibault, editor in chief of the Cybercast News Service, said the issue of Murtha's medals from 1967 is relevant now because the congressman has really put himself in the forefront of the antiwar movement. Thibault said: He has been placed by the Democratic Party and antiwar activists as a spokesman against the war above reproach.
Cindy Abram, a spokeswoman for Murtha, said, We certainly believe that the questions being raised are an attempt to distract attention from what's happening in Iraq. As for how Murtha won the Purple Hearts, she said: We think the congressman's record is clear. We have the documentation, the paperwork that proves that he earned them, and that he is entitled to wear them proudly.
Cybercast is part of the conservative Media Research Center, run by L. Brent Bozell III, who accused some in the media of ignoring the Swift Boat charges, but Thibault said it operates independently. He said the unit, formerly called the Conservative News Service, averages 110,000 readers, mainly conservative, and provides material for other Web sites such as GOPUSA. We won't run anything against anybody if we don't have the goods, he said.
Former representative Don Bailey (D-Pa.), who was quoted in the article, confirmed his account to The Washington Post yesterday.
In a conversation on the House floor in the early 1980s, said Bailey, who won a Silver Star and three Bronze Stars in Vietnam, Murtha told him he did not deserve his Purple Hearts. He recalled Murtha saying: Hey, I didn't do anything like you did. I got a little scratch on the cheek. Murtha's spokeswoman would not address that account.
Bailey, who lost a House race to Murtha after a 1982 redistricting, said Jack's a coward, and he's a liar for subsequently denying the conversation. That just really burned me, he said.
While saying he has only responded to reporters' questions and is not bitter toward Murtha, Bailey said the congressman's approach to Iraq is not responsible and that it just turned my stomach to see Murtha acting as a spokesman for veterans.
He said he shared the information with Republican William Choby, who ran against Murtha four times beginning in 1990 and made the Vietnam decorations an issue. Choby raised the issue again during Murtha's 2002 reelection campaign.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, citing Marine records, reported that year that Murtha was wounded during hostile actions near Da Nang, Vietnam: In the first incident, his right cheek was lacerated, and in the second, he was lacerated above his left eye. Neither injury required evacuation. The Cybercast article cites a 1994 interview in which Murtha described injuries to his arm and knee.
The article included a 1996 quote from Harry Fox, who worked for former representative John Saylor (R-Pa.), telling a local newspaper that Murtha was pretending to be a big war hero. Fox, who lost a 1974 election to Murtha, said the 38-year Marine veteran had asked Saylor for assistance in obtaining the Purple Hearts but was turned down because the office believed he lacked adequate evidence of his wounds.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said, The Swift Boat-like attacks on an American hero, Congressman Jack Murtha, are despicable and have no place in politics.
In November, when Murtha called for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the congressman was endorsing Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic Party and called his stance a surrender to the terrorists. Days later, President Bush called Murtha a fine man and said they simply disagreed about Iraq.
The Cybercast article appeared shortly before a segment scheduled for CBS's 60 Minutes tomorrow in which Murtha predicts that the vast majority of U.S. troops will be out of Iraq by year's end.
© 2006 The Washington Post Company
FOR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES WHO OPPOSE THE WAR:
Bush to use speech in Kentucky to promote Republicans
January 11, 2006
LOUISVILLE (AP) -- President Bush will have an eye on the fall elections Wednesday when he heads to Louisville, Kentucky, to give a speech on Iraq.
Tuesday, the president told a veterans group that voters should punish any Democrat whose Iraq War rhetoric gives comfort to our adversaries. He said loyal opposition is one thing, but defeatism is another.
Oh good, thanks for replying. Glad they're not just giving it to the right....lol...thx.
:-)
It means you're good at paraphrasing articles others
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You're a good little communist/socialist/marxist in your rhetoric..nm
Good grief! You're a rude, bitter person.
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You're entitled to your opinion. I guess it depends on what side of the spectrum you're on.nm
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We're not defending Bush we're pointing out the obvious
All you see in your view is Bush, Bush, Bush. Nobody else exists. You have yet to answer any of the questions I posed yesterday. We're not the one obsessing about Bush. I'm sure you'll counter that with I don't owe you any answers! It's really telling that for five or six days this board was mute about the Israel/Lebanon situation. You were too busy posting trash news about Bush like nothing was even happening, but I know that the left has wait for its talking points. You all cannot formulate opinions on your own. You have boilerplates ready to go though. *This is Bush's fault because _____________ but you have to wait on Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, etc. etc. to fill in the blanks for you. It's not just a phenomenon here but with all the left. You can count on at least two days of silence when something unforseen breaks out in the world, because they have to retreat to their bunkers to get their talking points straight, but it will always start with *This is Bush's fault because....
Hey, if they're smoking cigs, they're paying for SCHIP.
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They're too lazy to show patriotism......they're waiting
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So you're not racist but you're most definitely SEXIST and AGEIST!!!
"Someone more in our age group..."
"She should be taking care of her family."
Your true colors are showing, and they're truly ugly.
Just because they're LOSING doesn't mean they're VICTIMS.
What is it with people these days? You think that just because Hamas is getting its fanny handed to it that that magically makes them victims, and we should all weep and throw cash at them?
From the dawn of time, lesser civilizations have fallen to stronger ones.
It's why the human species survived and the neanderthals didn't.
It's why Rome conquered the Celts.
It's why the Barbarians conquered the Western Roman Empire.
It's why the British conquered the American Indians.
It's why the Spanish conquered the Aztecs.
It's why the Muslims conquered Israel the first time. But, since their societal progres seems to have permanently parked in the Stone Age, now Israel is conquering them right back.
Deal with it.
You're right. They're simply not worthy of a reply.
Good post....truth doesn't always sound good
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Thank you Democrat
you are right. I'm wasting my time here.
Well said, Democrat! Well said.
Applauding.
Thank you, Democrat
My fingers are crossed too, Democrat...I hope and pray for all of us that our country can repair itself..I have always been an optimist in life, until the last few years..Yes, I will think optimistically..with hope in my heart..Thank you for your post..you are so kind..
Same to you, Democrat!
Hope you had the best day ever! 
Thanks, Democrat.
I've been following this case and have written to the Governor in protest. Someone has to care about America's children. It's obvious this particular judge doesn't.
Thanks, Democrat.
He raises some very interesting points, doesn't he? I'm glad, too, that he wasn't fired. I wish somebody like him (or he) WOULD run for President because I'd vote for him, as well. After our invasion of Iraq, how DO other countries know they won't be next, and why wouldn't they want to protect themselves from an unwanted, uncalled-for American invasion?
We need someone who can straighten out America and make it a much better place and lead by example so other countries WANT to be like us, rather than having our form of *freedom* forced upon them.
No, actually that was DEMOCRAT.
You really need to stop obsessing on me, Nina. You've made your hatred of me known, but it's starting to get spooky. Please find another hobby. You're beginning to resemble a stalker.
At the very least, you might want to scan the board before accusing me of saying things I didn't. It will only take you a second, and you will appear to at least have some common sense and credibility if you do so. Right now, I seem to be your target, and your hateful obsession is quite transparent.
Have a lovely day, dear.
Thank you Democrat..
I have been trying to make 2 points about Churchill for 2 days but it is like free association here. I get everything and the kitchen sink back. As far as Coulter, I was just putting an article out there that I thought was humorous (intended only for liberals as it knew it would offend others and even the heading I posted was attacked) and somehow that morphed into I am attacking Coulter and defending Churchill. Talk about pretzel logic. Again, thanks for actually reading my posts and actually understanding what I said.
Thanks, Democrat.
I hadn't read the part where they included the US troops in the mix. What I read was that the Iraqi Prime Minister wanted amnesty only for terrorists who killed American soldiers and NO amnesty for terrorists who killed Iraqis. I felt this was a slap in the face to America, and that's the precise reason I'm so outraged over this.
It's interesting that you said that's what you *make of it.* Every time I've read something on this issue, I walked away just kind of scratching my head because I was unable to grasp an understanding of most of it. Even the bill itself that was voted on yesterday did nothing but express the *sense* of the Congress regarding this issue. How can it be so important to take up Senate time, including the debate and vote, when the end result is that they are EXPRESSING THEIR SENSE? Seems like a big waste of time to me and lends even more credibility to Harold Ford's view that it was nothing but a stunt.
What I don't understand is why 19 Republican senators would publicly place themselves in the position of voting their *sense* that they were in favor of letting terrorists off the hook when it comes to killing our soldiers, given that the majority of Iraqis think it's okay to kill Americans.
I suppose some sense could be made of the reasoning behind it if we were dealing with terrorists/insurgents that could be trusted, but with 65% of the general Iraqi population thinking it's okay to kill Americans and 88% of the Sunni population believing so, I don't feel comfortable placing any trust in them.
Democrat
I do not and did not excuse Mark Foley. He was wrong. What I have a problem with, is the same people who ask for his head are the same people who excuse the same behavior in Democrats who have done the same thing. Barney Frank...male prostitution ring out of his apartment. Not sure all of them were of legal age. Representative Studd. Had a sexual relationship (not internet) with a 17-year-old page. Not only not apologized for it, but accused critics of gay bashing and that his relationship, with a 17-year-old, mind you...was consensual. These are Democrats, and Democrats did not ask for their heads. But they ask for Foley's head. I am not excusing ANY of them. I find it odd that Democrats do not recognize a pedophile when he is a Democrat, but recognize him when he is a Republican.
No, extramarital affairs are not illegal. PERJURY is. In all 50 states. I didn't hear any Democrat, NOT ONE, asking for HIS head.
I can say without a doubt that they were ALL wrong, all morally corrupt, and all should pay for it. Clinton didn't, Studd didn't, Frank didn't. Foley IS. There is another BIG difference.
Same to you, Democrat! sm
Merry Merry Christmas and God Bless.
I am sorry, Democrat...I just don't get it....
You guys jump to champion Teddy when she has attacked me over and over, just like you claim some conservatives have attacked you...but it is okay for her, keep up the good fight. I am sorry, but that only tends to reinforce the feelings of most conservatives that liberals walk in lock step and support each other right or wrong. Please explain to me how it is okay for Teddy to call me a fool, tell me she cannot talk to someone who is mentally ill, has no common sense, that I defecated upon her...to name a few. Why is that okay for her, and you come along rah rah Teddy, and then complain when conservatives post similar, but not nearly as hateful...posts? Can you please explain to me why that is okay? Because, actually, in looking at your posts, you seemed a reasonable person and not prone to attacking anyone. Is it that same old well, I wouldn't do it myself, but if she wants to do it, I will support her thing?
Thanks Democrat..
Good to have yet another point of view. I have been reading Rabbi Kushner's Book, Overcoming Life's Disappointments. He uses the Old Testament (obviously) and Moses. What I really love about this guy is his working knowledge of so many faiths other than his own and how he can find, quite easily, the similarities...anyway, one thing I found interesting was that he said (and I certainly did not know) the Torah has 613 commandments and more of these deal with the poor (spiritually, physically, financially poor) than any other issue. Then along comes Jesus and what does he say??? My gosh, I think it is the same thing!!! I wish that some of the really right religious people (Dobson, Falwell, etc. could team up with Rick Warren, Al Sharpton, TD Jakes, Pope Benedict, Rabbi Kushner et al) and look at the issues that the Bible addresses other than abortion and same-sex marriage. The most mentioned virtue, it would seem, would be humility and the willingness to serve God by serving others, especially the least among us, no questions asked. In the Old Testament taking care of those in need was an obligation, not charity.
Democrat here
I do check in to see what's going on here once in a while but to be honest all the republican propaganda and lies disgust me. Thank God the majority of the country isn't buying into it.
I'm a democrat!!!!!!
And I am not one of the two that you say have posted here. But I am proud to be a dem!
I'm a democrat
I havent attacked anyone on here. I have no problem with the republicans. It takes both parties to run this country. I do feel that we have gotten off on the wrong track and I do feel that Bush has not done a great job. I dont feel that way specifically because he is a republican but because I just dont feel that he was the best guy for the job.
I will vote for Obama. If I had more choices, maybe I wouldnt vote for him. But McCain worries me and I feel that given my opinions of him, I have no choice but to vote for Obama.
I am a democrat
I did not vote for Obama. I have a question for those that did. Do you read the articles from Reuters and other papers from other parts of the world? Do you watch foreign news? Because I do. I have found that you cannot get the real picture just by relying on our news media and papers. If you want to get a true overview of what is going on, you have to go outside of us. Have you not read/heard the news on O? He does want to make our kids join some sort of community service organization. He stated that would be mandatory. He did have associations with people of a sordid nature that goes contrary to US benefit. And the minute that someone, anyone, posts something that they have read or heard about that man, people become angry and defensive. I am sorry that you all voted for O. Can you not see what is happening? Hitler was elected into office during a democratic state. I am not saying that O is Hitler, what I am saying is that someone with such extreme ideas has been elected to the highest power and there are many signs pointing to the fact that we are going to see some changes that even those that voted for him are not going to like. I think it will be subtle, until one day people are like, what happened to us? Also, McCain and Palin did not win, so let them be! I mean come on already, you guys won, let it die. I have never seen one person have such a following and a following that is so mean spirited. 
Duh! Wow, a democrat is saying that?
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I am and have always been a democrat, but
I don't agree with this at all. I guess I agree more with Clinton's 'don't ask, don't tell' stance. I also don't like how the whole 'gay movement' has attached itself to the Democrats. We need Democrats in power to help get us out of this economic nightmare created by the republicans, and this is distracting & costs us votes every time.
You might want to recheck that Democrat. sm
gt wished death on George Bush far below and again above! Not only that, she wished some pretty terrible things on Laura Bush and the daughters. Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it isn't so. The thing is, there are two boards. Nan and AG don't come here. Get the picture?
Hi, there, Democrat!!! Nice to see you again!
With respect to the 10% tax, I still think $9,000,000 of disposable income goes a lot farther than $9,000, and 10% of $10,000,000 is just a drop in the bucket, compared to 10% of $10,000.
Anyway, my understanding of the "Fair Tax" is that it isn't based on income. It's based on "consumption." It's (my paraphrasing) a federal sales tax instead of a federal income tax. And spending up to the poverty level is tax-free, with their "fair tax rebate."
So if someone can afford to buy that 2006 Ferrari, they can also afford to pay the tax. If someone can only afford a $500 1989 Mitsubishi, they will probably not have to pay any tax if it is considered under the poverty level.
This only addresses federal government tax issues, though. It doesn't even begin to touch state, county and local taxation.
And from what I've read, I haven't heard what percentage of tax they are proposing.
So I'm still not sure which I'm leaning towards. I'm actually sort of swaying between the 10% and the "fair tax."
Nice to see you here, thanks for the invitation, and I agree. We should debate here.
Wow, Democrat. I expected more from you. SM
 It gets personal because it's made personal. How you can't see that, I am not quite sure. As for your statement elsewhere that AG and I had left before, nope. Sorry, didn't happen. I didn't say I wasn't coming back either. Anyways, how much more personal can you get than wishing someone to die, and I am not talking about the president. It happened but the posts are gone. We all responded to the person who told Nan she was old and going to die and burn in hell. So I guess that's not personal, huh? Tell me how many times you have seen one of us do that. As far as debate, we give as good as we get. I thought you knew that, but guess I was wrong yet again. Oh well, live and learn!
In all honesty, Democrat. SM
How can you castigate someone for being on the liberal board when you are on the conservative board. Just pointing out a little pot-kettle scenario. Like Brunson, I won't be posting on here anymore. And like Brunson, hopefully you will return the favor. Have a nice evening.
Now Democrat, you know that isn't true. sm
And again with the "lock step", an allusion to Hitler and Nazis. Just can't help it, can you? It was posted on this board the conservative board by at least two conservative posters what they did not agree with Bush on, plus I posted it myself above. So not true.
That's yellow dog DEMOCRAT to you.
Yellow dog DEMOCRATS. Get it straight.
Democrat tried and true
LOLOLOLOLOLOL..I guess now Im being told by a conservative basically what I am, LOLOLOL..Oh, how sad..Sweetie pie, I know what I am and it is a living and breathing LIBERAL DEMORACT..and Im passing the word around the country (through the local democratic club) and I have so far converted two republicans to become democrats..So, geez, I guess Im your worse nightmare..YEEHHAAWW!!
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