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Insurance companies and the politicians they buy..

Posted By: have the blood of US citizens on their hands.~kam on 2008-01-15
In Reply to: Insurance industry stats - Think Liberal

Doesn't anybody in DC have a conscience?  The system as it stands now is disgusting.  They are literally making billions by killing of thousands upon thousands (maybe millions?) of Americans.  Anyone with half a brain should recognize profit-driven health insurance only serves the best interest of the CEOs of the insurance companies - not healthcare recipients! This needs to change NOW!


I saw my first AMA commercial last night urging people to vote with the millions of uninsured Americans in mind.  I loved it!  It is at least a step in the right direction.  Vote with the healthcare crisis in mind people!




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Insurance companies.
I agree the insurance companies need a very, very major overhaul, but do you think the insurance companies are going to do that??? If they would there would be no need for a government run system, but the insurance companies will do absolutely zilch, and things cannot contine the way that they have been going.
I'd like to see the insurance companies

But insurance companies already tell us no

What's the difference who says no?  Some insurance companies pretty much say no to everything but wellness visits - and that's simply so they can find out if you develop a condition, so they can drop your coverage on a threabare excuse, or jack your rates to the moon so you'll have to drop it.  Then no other company has to cover you due to it being preexisting.  I don't want to pay for insurance that only covers me if I'm not sick!


At least if there was universal healthcare, even with a wait, they'd have to treat you eventually instead of NEVER.  And do it for free.


How are insurance companies...

...involved in the transcription of patient notes?


That just doesn't make sense.


Insurance companies cont...sm
You made reference to the fact that you already are paying through the nose for insurance premiums and don't want to end up paying even more to cover the uninsured.

I think the general gist of reform is to guarantee access to all, and at the same time, lower the costs for people such as yourself.

Whatever direction health care reform takes it will take government intervention, either in terms of mandating what insurance companies can charge for policies for all people, likely putting caps on prohibitive prescription drugs and windfall profits made by health care providers and hospitals, etc.

What the US spends on health care is far, far above what every other country pays for health care, and that is not because the US has superior care in many cases. It's a profit driven business that has become extremely out of control. It cannot continue in its current business as usual form, as it is no longer working to the benefit of most.
OK, I'll bite. What insurance companies and when?
Insurance companies have ALWAYS been a for profit idea. So they need to collect premiums from people who ARE NOT sick to cover the thousands they pay out for someone else who IS sick. So how is this going to work? Like I said, if this becomes a reality, I for one am going to immediately drop my coverage until such time as I need it. Unless their other healthy customers are stupid, they are going to do the same. So then the only people who will be paying insurance premiums are the ones who are also using their policies to fund their heart transplants, chemotherapy, whatever. Take a guess what their premiums are going to be.


If the profit factor (insurance companies)...
...is removed, we will save a TON of money.
President is going after overblown insurance charges, crooked insurance plans, .....sm
crooked hospital systems that have become quite prosperous "businesses" on the backs of the elderly, but he is NOT AGAINST the eldery getting good solid care, that is political hogwash and propaganda, you wise up and read up, and I don't mean from Fox or Coulter of Limbaugh or one of the Pub sources......

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=av1lMcI6E1no&refer=home

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Politicians will dig up anything

negative they can about anyone running against them.  I'm sure we all remember the things said back and forth between Hill and Messiah Obama before they finally picked Master Obama.  It is all dirt flinging and back stabbing and promises they don't intend to keep.  I truly wish they would invent a BS monitor that would let us know when these politicians are really telling us the truth or whether they are, once again, feeding us a line of BS.


We always fall for the promises made during the campaign and then we see no results when that politician actually gets in office.  This is with all political parties and frankly I'm sick of it all. They waste all this money campaigning and smearing the other candidate as best as they can and in the end.....whoever wins still sticks it to the American people and those promises that were made are soon forgotten.


They are all politicians, they only know
how to talk like that, whatever party they are.
And why are all of you not politicians?
You people recite what you read! 
Like most politicians. LOL n/m
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not only the politicians,
people in general, especially when it comes to the Middle East.
Politicians - I don't trust ANY of them
Especially ones who will have anything to do with Clintons (both of them) or any of Clintons cabinet people.
they were as sincere as most politicians are ever - not
I have a very jaded view of our political system .. sorry

everything is calculated
everything is conniving
every move is planned and orchestrated by the "back room"

I've seen it ..

The Clintons did what they had to do to stay in the "power" positions in the Democratic party ... simple as that..

sorry ... JMHO

It's not just liberal politicians.
It's politicians in general. They're all so crooked they have to be screwed into the ground when they die. It's wrong to call prostitution the oldest profession because it's actually politicians that hold that title, although they are similar fields - they both screw people for money.
All politicians lie to get elected.

We are all fooling ourselves if we thing otherwise.  It is literally picking the lesser of two evils.  The one thing that I can say is that at least McCain makes decisions.  He votes instead of just voting present like Obama and when Obama actually has voted yes or no.....he has consistently said one thing and voted the exact opposite.  I just do not think he has the experience or the ability to make executive decisions.  I do not trust his associations and I do not have the same values as he does. 


All politicians are liars!
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All politicians are liars.
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Backwards politicians nm
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Greedy politicians/CEO's

 


As always, good to see you here...I remember reading when I was a kid that John F. Kennedy did not accept hjs salary as President; that he gave it back to the U.S. Guess since he was wealthy, he felt there was no need to take it.  Too bad we don't have that kind of individual in office now..


Since when do politicians support

a group or say they do and then turn around and crap on that group or break promises they made to that group.  I think that kind of goes hand in hand with politics.  LOL! 


Honestly, do you really think Barrack Obama is crapping on the homosexual community because he asked Rick Warren to do this?  It isn't changing any laws.  To me it looks like a liberal reaching his hand across the aisle to a conservative.  To me this shows that even though they may not have the exact same opinions, they can still do something together.  Isn't that what we are all about.  Reaching across the aisle to show that even though we don't agree, we can still work together.  Yet all people can see is this being a bashing session against gay people.


I don't agree with homosexuality.  However, if they want some kind of legal union.....whatever.  That is about as equal rights as I am going to lean for the gay community.  I have gay friends who have no problem leaving the definition of marriage between a man and woman.....as long as they can be joined together legally...that is all that matters to them.   I just feel that the ones who are trying to redefine marriage is dead wrong.  Leave marriage between a man and woman and give homosexuals some sort of legal union. 


This changing every tradition to accommodate every single minority group is what, in my opinion, is hurting our country.  All these minority groups want equal rights but in doing that.....they take away from the majority.  How much more should the majority have to sacrifice?


The idiots were the politicians!
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I know all politicians lie to get voted in.

However, this is not the time to be playing games with us.  A lot more people are watching what government is doing because of what happened last term.  Obama really smooth talked a lot of people.  I think a lot of people are starting to worry like some of the rest of us about his real intentions.  Too bad we couldn't get the rest of the kool-aid drinkers to get a clue.


I say that next election we vote someone in who is neither a pub or a dem.  Shake up the parties a bit and let them know that we are fed up with both parties!!!!!


And politicians have the audacity...
to tell bankers and CEOs of the big three how to spend their profits! At least they're using their own money, that they worked for!

It's absolutly disgusting that those politicians in DC think that they can have all these expenses at our expense! I love how they have parties and go off on weekend getaways that we pay for - I haven't had a vacation in years!!!

And the politicians talk about certain groups having a sense of entitlement - give me a break! They have the world's largest case of entitlement disease I've ever seen, starting with voting themselves an automatic raise every year! I thought raises were supposed to be for employees that were doing a good job!
I find most politicians on these shows

respond with rehearsed speech, or just do not answer the question. On Hardball, Chris will say answer the question, yes or no, over and over and over and whoever just goes off on whatever tangent.


 


You're right about both parties being politicians
and I guess it just boils down to a lesser of the two evils! This is such a simple thing, I just don't understand why you wouldn't just prove it to shut everyone up.
Very few politicians care about the people either.
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The Difference between Fish and Politicians

Some of you don't like Glenn Beck, but this video is really funny.


 


http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/22798848/show-and-tell.htm


Politicians and their love lives
aren't really important to me.  This guy didn't lie under oath about his affair.  Clinton did but I still really don't care.  There peckers and/or cigars aren't my concern.  I'm more concerned about how our country is being run and the money being spent, etc.  Affairs are things that happen too often.  I don't condone that type of behavior but they will have to pay the consequences for their actions.  More important issues to discuss than this.
You gotta love them greedy politicians!
'No, no, it's the wrong thing for our country to take money from taxpayers like that!'

'But, if you're gonna do it anyway, I'll take some!'

Just confirms my belief that they should all be thrown out on their rears!
stop comparing politicians to fish!
Everyone knows referring to Trout Pout is a subtle racial insult!
Unfortunately, many politicians stopped caring a looong
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Liberal politicians will NEVER do anything about illegal aliens...
because among all the OTHER illegal things illegals do, they VOTE. And THAT is their value to the liberal left. Keep the poor poor and beholden (and force as many of us into that bracket as they can), illegals with benes...their voting base. They would sing a different tune if you had to prove citizenship to vote...if illegals were stopped from voting their "champions" would disappear like rats deserting a sinking ship. It's all about the power and keeping it...have we learned nothing? The best way to control people is to keep them dependent. Obama knows that. He has studied it his entire adult life. And you have given him the keys to the country. Laughable if not so sad.
King funeral--just another money shot for politicians
and opportunity for all politicians involved to bloviate ad nauseum. The whole thing went on forever. Reminds me of the old Appalachian mountain funerals where there were five or six preachers and each one had to see who could out preach the other.

Everybody had to get their money shot (especially Clinton and Carter) and to me it was sad to see a bunch of politicans and so-called religious leaders take advantage a good woman's funeral just to make their political hay.

Goes to show that you can't even die anymore without it being shrouded in politics.
A lot of politicians on both sides changed their views on the war once the truth came out. nm
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oil companies
There was just a senator from North Dakota debating on the senate floor (MSN sometimes has live video feed in the net, quite interesting..they also carried the John Roberts questioning which I watched)..Anyway this senator..I didnt get his name, he and Senator Barbara Boxer from CA are introducing a bill that would give rebates back to the people because of the high gas and oil prices we are paying.  He said, it would be different if the oil companies were using their profits to look and drill for oil but they are using it to buy back their stock and invest in wall street.  He said last year they made over a trillion dollars!  He said some of that profit should go back to the consumer who is carrying a heavy load right now and the oil companies are doing nothing but make a profit.  He said it is estimated oil prices for this winter will increase by 40% and natural gas by 70%. 
oil companies

if one of your most pressing concerns is that the large corporations are being abused by government, keep reading.  Have you seen news reports on the executives are given huge million dollar bonuses and pensions? A lot of them "earn" them by closing facilities, firing workers, destroying unions, downsizing or removing benefits from workers.  Our benefits go down; corporate execs compensation are sky-rocketing.  The history-making profit of the oil companies this quarter in the billions?  Do they still need more tax breaks?  Sorry, my sympathy and concern for the well-being of these corporations is minimal to none.


 But if you really want to protect the corporations, vote McCain!


 


 


If they help car companies out, they will have to

do it again and again for the next 2 years because that is how long it is going to take car companies to make a good economy vehicle.  If government bails them out, next will come airlines and so on.  We do not have enough money to bail them out for the next 2 years.  Those companies BURN money each month. 


Do not get me wrong, I do want the American car companies bailed out.  I WILL ONLY OWN AMERICAN MADE CARS.  NEVER will buy a foreign made car so I can help the car companies stay in business.  Geesh, I am from Michigan, born and raised there for 18 years.  Most of my family is from Michigan on my mother and father's side.


If the car companies fold, we could have the Great Depression or close to it.  Shoot, Toyota and Honda, etc., could buy our car companies and now will be foreing made cars only.  It is a mess, chaos mess.  What I do know is most of my family in Michigan blame the American car companies.  My cousin just took early retirement from them 3 weeks before the US financial mess.  Thank God he did.  A 3 car companies had years to design and make cars better than Toyota, but did not.  Some of my family members blame the gas companies for jacking up the price of oil which is what started the car companies to have problems.  If only the oil companies did not raise it to 4.00, our 3 American car companies just might not be in the mess they are in.  So now my family believes it should be the OIL COMPANIES to bail them out since they started the mess with high gas prices.  Family actually do not want the government to bail out car companies because the costs will be from you, me, and the USA and will go on and for the next 2 years.  Family wants them to stop production, think about what to build next and then start building it.  The 3 car companies need to make what consumers want and need. 


It is a mess and horrible.  I personally do not want so many jobs to be lost.  It is such mixed feelings.  I just want new jobs created NOW.  Drill, drill, drill, and create new technology and start building and working by all of us coming together and creating new jobs and what we really need for these new jobs.  Hope this all makes sense, I am really tired from a long night of working. 


So do we let the car companies die for now?
Make them think about what to build next?  Or they will just fold up and we end up having to buy foreign made cars on US soil. 
Totally! Personally, I would "smack" the politicians first, they are supposed to be "publi
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Drug companies
Why is it that other countries have American made medications so much cheaper than America.  The argument has been well we pay the extra amount so drug companies can do research.  Why us?  We are expected to pay more for medications and also health benefits when other countries have universal healthcare and lower drug costs.  It isnt right that Americans foot the bill for the world to enjoy the medications we produce at less cost than us.  It isnt right that Americans have to go bankrupt when faced with a major illness because either their healthcare is inadequate or they dont have healthcare.  If this administration really cared about what Americans need most, they wouldnt be talking about Social Security, they would be devising a universal health plan for all Americans.  Some say that would be socialized medicine.  Heck, when you dont have any health coverage, socialized medicine is better than nothing.
Maybe the tobacco companies have
I suppose that is another reasonable explanation as to why he would veto a bill that only promised to raise the cigarette tax.  Too bad so many of the politicians that are supposed to work for us work for big business.  I'm so disapointed in our government today.
You've got to think of all the other companies

that would go out of business if the auto industry tanks, not to mention the auto workers themselves (what's left of them).


I don't think it would be a good idea. They stated 3 million people would lose their jobs if they let the industry tank. That would really throw us into a depression.


Actually, I agree, these companies

all 3 didn't  just hit bankruptcy level at the same time.  As a matter-of-fact I seriouisly doubt they are even in a financial crisis.  I think they've been working up to this panic for the past 6-8 years.  Unfortunately your husband and other companies that have supplied the big 3 are going to suffer.  I think this is all a smoke screen and what they REALLY want is to get out from under their union contract.  Do you really think if that happens they are going to lower the costs of their cars?  Nope.  They'll take as many billion as they can wanagle out of Bush and then file BK which will let them out from under their union contract.  Then miracously they'll recover.


As for people and their big Hummers, SUVs, etc.  That is a bit on the "look what I've got" front.  I think those Hummers are undoubtedly the UGLIEST things I've every seen.  I know a couple of people who bought them with payments approaching $1000 a month and they worry how they're going to pay their gass bill.  BOOHOO!!!


Things are going to get rough for all of us.  Even if Obama does what he promised, it probably won't be in his first term.  It will take him that long to undo 8 years of Bush....not to mention Clinton before him and Big Daddy before him.


I took it for what it IS -- companies getting TAX BREAKS
Although English grammar & keyboarding can be taught to just about anyone, the deep-down knowledge of language, word & phrase patterns, ability to spell and acute hearing are things you're either born with, or your're not.

Bottom line: American work should be done in AMERICA. Let India and Pakistan support their growing middle class some OTHER way, because the United States is losing their middle class. If something doesn't change, there will only be 2 classes in this country - the very rich, and the very poor. The middle class, which USED to support both of them, will be nonexistent.
I feel bad for the companies that are being

taken down with them, though. They don't deserve it.


GE stock on Friday was only $.10 a share. So sad. Other stocks are just as bad and some of them were good ones before all this started.


 


Health insurance
I'm not sure about that specific point, but in her plan if you don't purchase medical insurance your wages will be garnished. How's that for communism?
You're right about the mtg. insurance
It also irks me that somehow we are being asked for $700 billion to help these companies when $700 billion would go a long way toward ensuring Americans have health insurance - what about that Mr. Bush?
mccain - insurance
The Truth about the McCain-Palin Health Care Plan

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Barack Obama And Joe Biden Have Consistently Lied To Americans About John McCain's Plan. Their claims have failed every fact-check - from CBS to the Washington Post. John McCain is not going to raise taxes on middle class families. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are the only ones in this race that plan to raise taxes.


Get



OBAMA FICTION
John McCain Will Tax Health Care Benefits For The First Time And Will Be the Largest Middle Class Tax Increase In History.


THE FACTS
This Obama charge is a blatant mischaracterization of the McCain Health Plan. It only focuses on the fact that the value of the employer provided insurance will now show up as additional income for the employees – what he fails to mention – is that John McCain’s generous refundable tax credit ($5,000 for families and $2,500 for individuals) will not only shield millions of families from a tax increase but will actually give them MORE dollars to invest in their health care needs.


The McCain Plan DOES NOT tax:



  • Premiums paid by families and individuals


  • Employers for providing health care coverage


  • Medical expenses like the cost of a procedure or medication


  • Insurance claims

Approach Supported By Obama’s Own Advisor: This is an approach supported by Barack Obama's own Senior Economic Advisor Jason Furman who wrote that "we could scrap the current deduction altogether and replace it with progressive tax credits that, together with other changes, would ensure that every American has affordable health insurance."


Better Than "Members of Congress":  Under the McCain Plan, your employer can provide you with health insurance  as good as a "Member of Congress" (approximately $12,000), and you would pay no  more in taxes – regardless of your tax bracket.  In fact, you would have additional money left over from the McCain tax credit to put in a health savings account.








 
Income Tax Liability

McCain-Palin
Tax Credit

Total Tax Savings
































10% Bracket
(Up to $15,000)
$1,200 ($12,000 x 10%) $5,000 +$3,800
15% Bracket ($15,650 - $63,700)
$1,800 ($12,000 x 15%) $5,000 +$3,200
25% Bracket ($63,700 - $128,500)
$3,000 ($12,000 x 25%) $5,000 +$2,000
28% Bracket ($128,500 - $195,850)
$3,360 ($12,000 x 28%) $5,000 +$1,640
33% Bracket ($195,850 - $349,700)
$3,960 ($12,000 x 33%) $5,000 +$1,040
35% Bracket ($349,700 and Over)
$4,200 ($12,000 x 35%) $5,000 +$800

Where Is The Middle-Class "Tax Increase"?   If you or your family is in the 28% bracket, with an income of $180,000, you could receive employer provided health insurance even better than a Member of Congress, with a cost of almost $18,000, with no increase in taxes. Even the liberal leaning Tax Policy Center, agrees that the McCain proposals will result in a "net tax benefit" of more than $1,200 for an average tax payer. A recent Lewin Group study estimated savings of more than $1,400 per American family – almost three times the savings as under the Obama plan.

O says that he will force insurance
companies to insure preexisting conditions. That sounds like something that will put them out of business to me. No need to buy insurance until you need it. Think of all the lost jobs.