It may apply to your religion, but
Posted By: MM on 2005-07-22
In Reply to: Thou shall not kill applies to unborn babies. sm - MT
it doesn't apply to the Constitution.
Are you suggesting that your religion should be the one that rules and that everyone else's spiritual/religious beliefs shouldn't count?
For example, I know some people who don't look at abortion as severely as you do because they believe that life doesn't end, that we merely pass on from one life to another, and that there really isn't any such thing as spiritual death, and that your body is just the "box" you come in but spirit lives on forever and continues to live in different "entities."
I know some people who don't believe in religion at all.
I know some religious people who believe that God gave us free will and technology to help us survive as best we can.
Not everyone is FORCED to believe the exact same religious beliefs that you do. But the one document we all have in common and to which are are all bound is the Constitution.
I respect you enough as a person to respect and defend your personal religious beliefs.
Please return the favor.
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LOL. *Liberal Religion* = ANY religion that isn't YOURS.
You don't want EQUALITY in religion. You want yours to be SUPERIOR to all others. You want to force your narrow and specific religious beliefs down the throats of every single American. You can't get them into your religion willingly so you'll FORCE them to fall in step with you via government if you have to.
You couldn't stop abortion by killing abortion doctors, so now you'll do it through the Supreme Court. And your God on earth just happens to be a president who wants the same things that you do, and so he's willing to throw the Constitution out the window (in violation of his Presidential oath) in order to replace it, not just with the Christian Bible, but with his own personal clone who will legislate her own narrow evangelical Christian views that don't even agree with the less radical, quieter forms of the Christian religion.
Government, schools and universities don't fall into the same categories.
There already ARE religous schools and universities. Isn't THAT enough for you?
And what about all those many, MANY buildings with crosses and other religious symbols on them throughout this nation where people of like-minded beliefs congregate to worship the God of their CHOICE? I believe they're called CHURCHES. Isn't THAT enough for you, either?
Nope. You're not going to be happy until you can be *superior.*
The sad fact is that in a country with freedom of religion, you never WILL BE, whether you like it or not. You can put 9 THOUSAND justices on the Supreme Court, you still won't be SUPERIOR, and I believe God, who is all knowing, knows that as well!
Because the Muslim religion is the only religion that says.....
Convert or die.
But how could that ever apply to MT, especially?
Almost everyone here is in the predicament of working harder and harder for less and less pay. There are only 24 hours in a day, and at least a couple of them have to be spent sleeping. Then what? Many people already working 2-3 jobs, because 1 job no longer pays the bills.
There is nothing that says you get to apply
the extra tax credit and use it toward your total tax bill. In your example where you come out ahead $3600, you do not get to apply that $3600 toward your taxes nor will you get a refund of that money.
No he did not apply for a job with the FBI.
However, if he were to apply, he would be turned down. Every person trying to get a position with the FBI undergoes a background check. Obama would not pass this background check.
They can APPLY -----
..."There is no legal prohibition against illegal immigrants owning homes," (Steven Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies) said, "and in most cases mortgage lenders will accept a taxpayer ID or a Matricula Consular card issued by a Mexican Consulate office as identification to illegal immigrants from Mexico."
Chad Buchanan, a manager at SaveMyHomeUSA - a group cooperating with the Obama administration that assists homeowners facing foreclosure - told WND illegal immigrants who own a home "could certainly apply under our program."
Where do I apply?
I have been in the MT field for 15 years - I have never met such hateful, backstabbing women in all my life (the last hospital I worked in was the WORST). I've worked inhouse and at home. I was a supervisor - in a hospital and at home. Even senior management were unbelievable. Cherry picking, cheating on lines, you name it, I've seen it. I don't believe this is the only field you will find this type of behavior........I was happiest when working with all men in another field. and NEVER have I seen an MT environment that encouraged its workers......it was all go, go, go, go, faster, faster, faster. I always treated my staff with fairness and respect and always went the extra mile for them. I had great staff and lousy staff. It has taken me awhile, but, I have to admit - I hate the MT field.
Neocons need not apply
Will you argumentative conservatives please get off this board, for pete sake!
they don't even let you apply at McDonald's
how in the world can we make this man our next commander in chief???
Well, if he didn't apply just where
do you get your emphatic information? I would certainly hope a background check would consist of FACTS, not political mumbo jumbo.
So how does it apply to Obama?
you might want to check out the "who put faith in what government post." Not interested in having to repeat myself.
Does this mean it's OK for us all to apply for benefits now?
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That would certainly apply to the entire MTStars
(Thumbs up.)
Well please don't apply one person's attitude to everyone - sm
I for one am very sad that his Grandmother passed away, particularly at this time in his life.
Does Palin once again think the rules don't apply to her?
thought this article was interesting.
Does Palin once again think the rules don't apply to her?
Posted on 02 January 2009
By Dan Fagan
How is it possible that the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law is working as an apprentice on the North Slope?
The Governor, in trying to dispel rumors the father of her grandchild is a high school drop out, released this statement this week, “Levi is continuing his online high school work in addition to working as an electrical apprentice on the North Slope."
But federal regulations require any members of apprentice programs, union or otherwise, first obtain a high school diploma, something the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law, Levi Johnston does not have. Some apprentice programs even require the completion of high school level Algebra or the post secondary equivalent.
So how is it that the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law is working in an apprentice program? Is this another case of the Governor believing the law doesn’t apply to her?
Bo Underwood, who heads up ASRC’s electrical apprentice program, confirmed Johnston is indeed enrolled as an apprentice. Underwood claimed not to know whether a high school diploma is needed to be an ASRC apprentice and said he would check on it. But federal regulations clearly state a high school diploma is needed before entering an apprentice program. How is it the man who runs the program does not know that?
Underwood also claimed not to know whether there is a waiting list for the ASRC apprentice program he runs. Imagine that.
Rebecca Logan, executive director of Associated Builders and Contractors, an organization that also has an electrical workers apprentice program, says waiting lists almost always accompany apprenticeship programs. Her organization’s apprentice program has a waiting list of at least 100 people.
Bo Underwood promised to get back with me on how the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law got into the apprentice program.
The Alaska Standard has a call into the Governor’s office as well. We’ll let you know when we hear back from them on this issue.
Does Palin once again think the rules don't apply to her?
thought this article was interesting.
Does Palin once again think the rules don't apply to her?
Posted on 02 January 2009
By Dan Fagan
How is it possible that the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law is working as an apprentice on the North Slope?
The Governor, in trying to dispel rumors the father of her grandchild is a high school drop out, released this statement this week, “Levi is continuing his online high school work in addition to working as an electrical apprentice on the North Slope."
But federal regulations require any members of apprentice programs, union or otherwise, first obtain a high school diploma, something the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law, Levi Johnston does not have. Some apprentice programs even require the completion of high school level Algebra or the post secondary equivalent.
So how is it that the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law is working in an apprentice program? Is this another case of the Governor believing the law doesn’t apply to her?
Bo Underwood, who heads up ASRC’s electrical apprentice program, confirmed Johnston is indeed enrolled as an apprentice. Underwood claimed not to know whether a high school diploma is needed to be an ASRC apprentice and said he would check on it. But federal regulations clearly state a high school diploma is needed before entering an apprentice program. How is it the man who runs the program does not know that?
Underwood also claimed not to know whether there is a waiting list for the ASRC apprentice program he runs. Imagine that.
Rebecca Logan, executive director of Associated Builders and Contractors, an organization that also has an electrical workers apprentice program, says waiting lists almost always accompany apprenticeship programs. Her organization’s apprentice program has a waiting list of at least 100 people.
Bo Underwood promised to get back with me on how the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law got into the apprentice program.
The Alaska Standard has a call into the Governor’s office as well. We’ll let you know when we hear back from them on this issue.
They not only can apply, they receive mortgages
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And the part that would apply to issues other than abortion? (sm)
You might as well just go ahead and do away with the hippocratic oath.
How nice for you, but how does this apply to the political topic.....sm
Can you think outside of your own little special world? There are folk out here, like me, and so many others here, who are honestly trying to deal with U.S. economy, world economy, saving our country from financial disaster....wow, get your head out of your darling fortunate a$$, get off your hown head trip, stop trying to trump people, becaue you are not, and try to deal with the issues of others in this country.
Post where this link is. Doesn't apply anymore, don't think...sm
If it does, post the link to the rule
You and she should apply to serve on Michelle Bachmann's McCarthyesque
so you can investigate dems in the Congress and Senate for unpatriotic subversion and help her define precisely what means to be and not to be an American and come up with some sort of homogenous morality that we can all follow. You two could be in charge of decency and common sense department.
Religion
Religion - ?riduculous?
I will tell you what is more riduculous - those who truly believe that there IS NO GOD (wonder how in the he## you got here in the first place)...scary..
In regards to religion
It was Barrack Obama who quoted scripture during his speech at that dinner they had last week. I'm so sick and tired of hearing people whine and complain because Sarah Palin is a believer. Well....according to Barrack Obama....so is he! Palin prayed for our country and people freaked out. Obama's church preaches about him from the pulpit gaining control in a dominant white world and how they are oppressed by whitey, etc.....that should be more concerning than whether or not Sarah Palin prayed for our country especially since Obama attended that church full of hate for 20 YEARS!!! Sheesh.
religion
I believe that O sees himself as a Christian with a Muslim father and biracial.
being gay is not a religion
Your talking about two different topics.
My religion is not
Since my sole aim as a Christian is to have a relationship with Christ, I have no religion. I brought up same-sex marriage because of the posts alleging that homosexuals are missing out on some perceived "right." Marriage is not a right in the first place. It is a privilege, like having a drivers license. Blind people shouldn't drive and couples who can't copulate in the way God intended should not be married. Your husband is as messed up as you are. ;-)
I have nothing against the Muslim religion anyway
I would bet that there are millions of Muslims throughout the world who are exceptionally good, hardworking people. It seems to me that each religion has people who will try to twist it around as an excuse to do just about anything. Look at those Baptists down south who protest gays at dead soldiers funerals because they say God is killing all these soldiers because American is getting too accepting of gay people. These Baptists are obviously horrible people, but does that mean all Baptists distort their religion to spew hate and prey on grieving families? Of course not.
I could care less what religion Obama is or was at one time. I think he is an excellent candidate. He is one of the few people who could turn this country (and maybe even this world) around. We need someone strong enough and smart enough to lead this country and help to unite us again, and I think he's the man for the job. I also agree with what someone else said in regard to his knowledge of the Muslim religion/culture being a good thing, especially considering our current dire situation.
Forget his religion,
he was a total bomb as a governor. He said one thing to get elected governor, then changed his mind when he decided to run for president. Then he went around the country bashing Massachusetts. Now there is a story in the newspaper that there were illegal immigrants painting his house even after all the problems with his landscapers. Such a hypocrite.
Sorry....I do not ever "check" my religion...
it is not put on on Sunday (or Saturday, whatever day one chooses to observe) and taken off on Monday. It is part of the fabric of my life. It is a constant. And that is not a bad thing. Have you read the papers of the founding fathers, wise men of great vision? They did not check their "religion" at the door. It is part of parcel of our founding documents and heavily influenced their decisions. People came here from England for the express purpose of religious freedom. THat is what this country is based upon. And from that desire for religious freedom came all our other freedoms. Our base set of laws is based on the Ten Commandments. Basic moral principles. So I beg to disagree. Our founding fathers lived their beliefs. They did not check it when they walked into Independence Hall.
The establishment of a state religion is prohibited by our constitution. Prayer inside the white house is not prohibited. They pray in the senate and in the house. They prayed on the steps of the Capitol on 9-11. Nothing in the constitution prohibits prayer, in fact it says freedom of religion and the free expression thereof and certainly says nothing about keeping it in church.
The freedom of religion clause was for a specific reason...that no government would establish a state religion and compel the entire country to follow it. It expressly provides for the free expression of faith. And it should not be a basis for discrimination.
Yes indeed, wise men of great vision, our forefathers. If you are interested in how they felt and thought, at this site are their quotes.
http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm
Please give an example where she put her religion above the...
needs of our country. She has certainly done fine by the state of Alaska. Higher approval ratings than either O or Joe.
using religion as a blunt
instrument to beat your opponent over the head with is a very cynical misappropriation of the teachings of the great religions. It does more damage to the believers than it does to the nonbelievers.
seems to have more to do with religion than politics nm
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I know, I don't think religion should be part of it either (sm)
But if McCain had been attending a white supremist church that hated African-Americans and had a minister who spewed hatred, and he had attended that church for 20 years and called the minister one of his mentors.....who would vote for him?? No black person, no non-caucasian person, and at least 90% of whites would not vote for him either!
They don't care if you got religion or not..they
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Of course, you better hope you do have religion
they are already in Europe doing just that. The Muslim population has gone out of control as well as their minds since, unfortunately, Europe was trying to be so PC and let them come in. Bet they're regretting that now.
Now, they wanna do the same with country and if you turn your back to it, they'll have those in this country trying to tell us how to think.....wait....what am I saying.....they already do!!!
Holy cow! You could use some religion...
Muslim or otherwise!!
religion and all that talk sm
Gee, the way I handle it is every night I thank the god of my understanding for getting me and my family through the day and I tell him or her how I appreciate all I have and to ask forgiveness if I hurt anyone that day. I think things get a little out of hand with all this discussion of doom and gloom. I don't have the right to tell anyone else what to do or what to believe. The only thing I think my God might say about all this negativity is, "Don't make me have to come down there!" Loosen up and do your best each day. That's what I do for me and my family, why practice doom and gloom when we have a day right in front of us to do our best in. Just my humble opinion. I hate to instill "fear" in anyone. If you don't sin, you won't have to repent.
I don't know much about the Muslim religion (sm)
but I do know that no one is born a Christian. That is not how we see it. You can be born to a Christian family and be taught Christian beliefs but you have to consciously decide to become a Christian, it is not something you are automatically born as.
Have you been brainwashed by religion?
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BB, you don't think religion has a place anywhere! LOL sm
You do know I'm just kidding, right?
Warren did take a biblical stand against gay marriage and homosexuality, which does surprise me, considering what "The MESSage" says, but as much as I disagree with him on a lot of things (not necessarily environmental) I have to agree with his stance regarding what you refer to as alternative lifestyles. According to the Bible, homosexuality ranks right in there with all the other things you mentioned. I won't go any further into that because this is not the forum for it. However, I do think that Warren's watered down style probably fits in more with Obama's idea of religion that, oh, say, Billy Graham might. I just wonder if Rev. Wright got his feelings hurt because he wasn't chosen. He was, after all, Obama's religious mentor.
They question if his religion is
I am sure he is not Jehova Witness.
Freedom of religion....(sm)
also includes freedom FROM religion. It's funny to me that, as you said, people came to this country for freedom of religion (among other things). Now that they're here christians try to impose the very problems associated with those in Britian on the people of this nation. Christians are constantly trying to force their will upon others through politics. Please explain to me how that demonstrates freedom of religion. Doesn't that just put us back where we were?
Freedom of religion is a live and let live proposition....not a winner takes all competition.
Maybe so...but what if the chosen religion
Do you want the Koran read in schools? Do you want the Torah used to make government decisions?
Remember when you invite religion into politics, that not all religion is christianity. Be careful what you wish for.
This is why I don't think relgion has any place in politics.
What if the chosen religion is not your
Do you want the Koran read in schools? Do you want the Torah used to make government decisions?
Remember when you invite religion into politics, that not all religion is christianity. Be careful what you wish for.
This is why I don't think relgion has any place in politics.
Oh there is gonna be one religion and sm
one world leader for all some day and it will be forced upon you. At that time you won't like it either. But,the Christians won't be here any longer. Wish you would reconsider, you don't want to go through that period.
NO NO! Again forget religion! sm
Salvation is easy but you have to repent from your sins (which means turn away) from your sins, accept Jesus Christ as the living Son of God and the author and finisher of our faith. Christ himself made it so easy a child could understand.
Nowhere does it say that you can "believe" in Jesus and still go about your same sinful life. That is what repentence is all about. There are folks who will say they believe in Jesus but have not repented. That is something our churches have taken out as of late, repentence. If you truly repent and turn away from your sins you WILL lead an upstanding life. It doesn't mean you won't fall and make mistakes or sin but you will know immediately by the Holy Spirit and you will want to ask forgiveness for that sin.
God does not judge us based on our character. He judges us based on the fact whether our sins have been covered by the blood of his son Jesus christ. If that has happened truly, then your character will speak for itself. There are alot of good moral upstanding people who are going to find themselves in he** because they have depended on their own righteousness and not HIS righteousness to get them into heaven.
There you go again, throwing religion around.
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OMG ! Do you want to say that there are several Gods? One for each religion?
I cannot believe this!
I think there is ONLY ONE GOD, each religion gives him another mame, but it is ONE AND THE SAME GOD, as there is ONLY ONE HEAVEN AND ONE FIRE !
Are there also a multitude of devils?
From what Planet are you?
Stop doing MT and educate yourself!
What proof do you have that YOUR religion, whatever
it is, is THE TRUE ONE?
Downplaying religion........... sm
I think Obama's whole purpose in making that statement was to downplay religion in any form. It almost makes us sound like a Godless nation, which it is looking more and more like that is exactly what we are becoming. That other 30-odd% had better hurry up and wake up. Not only is Obama circling the drain.......so is America.
Freedom of religion........ sm
is one of the foundation blocks of this country, not freedom FROM religion. Every person in this country is, based on the constitution, free to worship (or not worship) in any form they choose. I think that Obama's statement reflects his political viewpoint and gives us an insight into what is most important to him, which is politics at its best with no regard for God in any form or fashion.
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