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Does this mean it's OK for us all to apply for benefits now?

Posted By: xx on 2008-11-07
In Reply to: JT Plumber and family former welfare recipients. - Please connect the dots for me....sm

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benefits for illegals...
Alright which party is for doing something about the illegals that are crossing our border and not just to work but to take advantage of goverment benefits.  More specific which person who is running?  Has this been mentioned by any of them?  Let me enlighten everyone on some things.  Let everyone see just how messed up this country is becoming.  I live near an illegal immigrant who has found out she is pregnant.  Well she went to the office where you apply for Medicaid to pay for the baby and they told her unless she could prove she was a US citizen no help.  Well that is the way it should be.  She goes to Georgia.  They say same thing.  She has now gone to Louisiana, which is not the state where she even lives either.  They are going to give her benefits.  They don't even check.  What is the deal?  She is illegal, has a job that she said wanted proof she could work in the US legally.  She got around that somehow.  I don't know how.  She pays no taxes here.  But yet she can get Medicaid?  What the heck is going on here?  She doesn't even live in Louisiana.  She gave them someone elses address.  How can the country let this continue? 
Don't think the benefits are limited to
More democratic debate and result-oriented compromise should lead both factions toward centrist positions and policies, which would be more representative of the WHOLE of the nation and would have the effect of crowding out special interests. Sounds less corrupt, more equal, and patently progressive toward a real change in the way Washington politics works. Should prove to be very interesting.
One of the biggest benefits of my job is
that I don't have far to drive to get to work!
So lying is okay when it benefits your side

Okay.  I see the picture developing.   It was okay that Clinton lied, but just because you think Bush lied he should be impeached post haste.  Just want to be sure I'm reading you right here.


If SS benefits were monetarily commisserate with
What was paid in, there really would not be much point in drawing them. For example, if I paid in $50 a month and my employer contributed another $75, should I only be able to draw about $125 a month? That amount wouldn't keep the lights on, let alone provide for other necessities of life like food and healthcare (yes, the elderly do have to pay for Medicare B and D) and clothing.

I agree that the SS is in a mess and getting worse all the time, but I don't think that axing the elderly's monthly check is the way to fix it. How about we infuse the SS fund with some of that stimulus money instead of studying why pigs smell?
The amount of $$ paid out in benefits to smokers
the amount of tax revenue generated by the sale of tobacco. You don't seem to protest too loudly when it comes time to spend it and waste no time marginalizing and bashing people with an addiction. These are tired tactics designed to take the focus off of the REAL issues raised in this thread with regard to the economy and differences between party platforms, policies and plans. Just how long do ou think pubs can run and hide from the fact that what they have to offer is EXACTLY the same thing as what we all are running fast and far away from? Careful, your desperation is showing.
Benefits for Govt worker's gay partners

Don't mean to start anything with the article, but thought some would find it interesting.


WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama, whose gay and lesbian supporters have grown frustrated with his slow movement on their priorities, is extending benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees, a White House official said.


Obama planned to announce his decision Wednesday in the Oval Office, the official said. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because Obama had not signed a presidential memorandum putting his plan into place.


The decision is a political nod to a reliably Democratic voting bloc that has become impatient with the White House in recent weeks.


Several powerful gay fundraisers withdrew their support from a Democratic National Committee event June 25 where Vice President Joe Biden is expected to speak. Their exit came in response to a Justice Department brief last week that defended the Defense of Marriage Act, a prime target for gay and lesbian criticism.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_GAY_BENEFITS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-06-17-08-13-41


heck I wouldn't mind giving illegals benefits if I could
and i'm nervous about my 3 month waiting period at my new job for health insurance!
Army order soldiers to get rid of better body armor or lose death benefits
Army Orders Soldiers to Shed Dragon Skin or Lose SGLI Death Benefits

By Nathaniel R. Helms

Two deploying soldiers and a concerned mother reported Friday afternoon that the U.S. Army appears to be singling out soldiers who have purchased Pinnacle's Dragon Skin Body Armor for special treatment. The soldiers, who are currently staging for combat operations from a secret location, reported that their commander told them if they were wearing Pinnacle Dragon Skin and were killed their beneficiaries might not receive the death benefits from their $400,000 SGLI life insurance policies. The soldiers were ordered to leave their privately purchased body armor at home or face the possibility of both losing their life insurance benefit and facing disciplinary action.

The soldiers asked for anonymity because they are concerned they will face retaliation for going public with the Army's apparently new directive. At the sources' requests DefenseWatch has also agreed not to reveal the unit at which the incident occured for operational security reasons.

On Saturday morning a soldier affected by the order reported to DefenseWatch that the directive specified that all commercially available body armor was prohibited. The soldier said the order came down Friday morning from Headquarters, United States Special Operations Command (HQ, USSOCOM), located at MacDill Air Force Base, Florida. It arrived unexpectedly while his unit was preparing to deploy on combat operations. The soldier said the order was deeply disturbiing to many of the men who had used their own money to purchase Dragon Skin because it will affect both their mobility and ballistic protection.

We have to be able to move. It (Dragon Skin) is heavy, but it is made so we have mobility and the best ballistic protection out there. This is crazy. And they are threatening us with our benefits if we don't comply. he said.

The soldier reiterated Friday's reports that any soldier who refused to comply with the order and was subsequently killed in action could be denied the $400,000 death benefit provided by their SGLI life insurance policy as well as face disciplinary action.

As of this report Saturday morning the Army has not yet responded to a DefenseWatch inquiry.

Recently Dragon Skin became an item of contention between proponents of the Interceptor OTV body armor generally issued to all service members deploying in combat theaters and its growing legion of critics. Critics of the Interceptor OTV system say it is ineffective and inferior to Dragon Skin, as well as several other commercially available body armor systems on the market. Last week DefenseWatch released a secret Marine Corps report that determined that 80% of the 401 Marines killed in Iraq between April 2004 and June 2005 might have been saved if the Interceptor OTV body armor they were wearing was more effective. The Army has declined to comment on the report because doing so could aid the enemy, an Army spokesman has repeatedly said.

A U.S. Army spokesman was not available for comment at the time DW's original report (Friday - 1700 CST) was published. DefenseWatch continues to seek a response from the Army and will post one as soon as it becomes available. Yesterday the DoD released a news story through the Armed Forces News Service that quoted Maj. Gen. Steven Speaks, the Army's director of force development, who countered critical media reports by denying that the U.S. military is behind the curve in providing appropriate force protection gear for troops deployed to Iraq and elsewhere in the global war against terrorism. The New York Tiimes and Washington Post led the bandwagon of mainstream media that capitalized on DefenseWatch's release of the Marine Corps study. Both newspapers released the forensic information the Army and Marines are unwilling to discuss.

Those headlines entirely miss the point, Speaks said.

The effort to improve body armor has been a programmatic effort in the case of the Army that has gone on with great intensity for the last five months, he noted.

Speaks' assessment contradicts earlier Army, Marine and DoD statements that indicated as late as last week that the Army was certain there was nothing wrong with Interceptor OTV body armor and that it was and remains the best body armor in the world.

One of the soldiers who lost his coveted Dragon Skin is a veteran operator. He reported that his commander expressed deep regret upon issuing his orders directing him to leave his Dragon Skin body armor behind. The commander reportedly told his subordinates that he had no choice because the orders came from very high up and had to be enforced, the soldier said. Another soldier's story was corroborated by his mother, who helped defray the $6,000 cost of buying the Dragon Skin, she said.

The mother of the soldier, who hails from the Providence, Rhode Island area, said she helped pay for the Dragon Skin as a Christmas present because her son told her it was so much better than the Interceptor OTV they expected to be issued when arriving in country for a combat tour.

He didn't want to use that other stuff, she said. He told me that if anything happened to him I am supposed to raise hell.

At the time the orders were issued the two soldiers had already loaded their Dragon Skin body armor onto the pallets being used to air freight their gear into the operational theater, the soldiers said. They subsequently removed it pursuant to their orders.

Currently nine U.S. generals stationed in Afghanistan are reportedly wearing Pinnacle Dragon Skin body armor, according to company spokesman Paul Chopra. Chopra, a retired Army chief warrant officer and 20+-year pilot in the famed 160th Nightstalkers Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne), said his company was merely told the generals wanted to evaluate the body armor in a combat environment. Chopra said he did not know the names of the general officers wearing the Dragon Skin.

Pinnacle claims more than 3,000 soldiers and civilians stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan are wearing Dragon Skin body armor, Chopra said. Several months ago DefenseWatch began receiving anecdotal reports from individual soldiers that they were being forced to remove all non-issue gear while in theater, including Dragon Skin body armor, boots, and various kinds of non-issue ancillary equipment.

Last year the DoD, under severe pressure from Congress, authorized a one-time $1,000 reimbursement to soldiers who had purchased civilian equipment to supplement either inadequate or unavailable equipment they needed for combat operations. At the time there was no restriction on what the soldiers could buy as long as it was specifically intended to offer personal protection or further their mission capabilities while in theater.

But how could that ever apply to MT, especially?
Almost everyone here is in the predicament of working harder and harder for less and less pay. There are only 24 hours in a day, and at least a couple of them have to be spent sleeping. Then what? Many people already working 2-3 jobs, because 1 job no longer pays the bills.
There is nothing that says you get to apply
the extra tax credit and use it toward your total tax bill. In your example where you come out ahead $3600, you do not get to apply that $3600 toward your taxes nor will you get a refund of that money.
No he did not apply for a job with the FBI.
However, if he were to apply, he would be turned down.  Every person trying to get a position with the FBI undergoes a background check.  Obama would not pass this background check.
They can APPLY -----
..."There is no legal prohibition against illegal immigrants owning homes," (Steven Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies) said, "and in most cases mortgage lenders will accept a taxpayer ID or a Matricula Consular card issued by a Mexican Consulate office as identification to illegal immigrants from Mexico."

Chad Buchanan, a manager at SaveMyHomeUSA - a group cooperating with the Obama administration that assists homeowners facing foreclosure - told WND illegal immigrants who own a home "could certainly apply under our program."

Where do I apply?
I have been in the MT field for 15 years - I have never met such hateful, backstabbing women in all my life (the last hospital I worked in was the WORST). I've worked inhouse and at home. I was a supervisor - in a hospital and at home. Even senior management were unbelievable. Cherry picking, cheating on lines, you name it, I've seen it. I don't believe this is the only field you will find this type of behavior........I was happiest when working with all men in another field. and NEVER have I seen an MT environment that encouraged its workers......it was all go, go, go, go, faster, faster, faster. I always treated my staff with fairness and respect and always went the extra mile for them. I had great staff and lousy staff. It has taken me awhile, but, I have to admit - I hate the MT field.
It may apply to your religion, but

it doesn't apply to the Constitution.


Are you suggesting that your religion should be the one that rules and that everyone else's spiritual/religious beliefs shouldn't count?


For example, I know some people who don't look at abortion as severely as you do because they believe that life doesn't end, that we merely pass on from one life to another, and that there really isn't any such thing as spiritual death, and that your body is just the "box" you come in but spirit lives on forever and continues to live in different "entities."


I know some people who don't believe in religion at all.


I know some religious people who believe that God gave us free will and technology to help us survive as best we can.


Not everyone is FORCED to believe the exact same religious beliefs that you do.  But the one document we all have in common and to which are are all bound is the Constitution.


I respect you enough as a person to respect and defend your personal religious beliefs. 


Please return the favor.


Neocons need not apply
Will you argumentative conservatives please get off this board, for pete sake!
they don't even let you apply at McDonald's
how in the world can we make this man our next commander in chief???
Well, if he didn't apply just where
do you get your emphatic information?  I would certainly hope a background check would consist of FACTS, not political mumbo jumbo.
So how does it apply to Obama?
you might want to check out the "who put faith in what government post." Not interested in having to repeat myself.
That would certainly apply to the entire MTStars
(Thumbs up.)
Well please don't apply one person's attitude to everyone - sm
I for one am very sad that his Grandmother passed away, particularly at this time in his life.
Does Palin once again think the rules don't apply to her?

thought this article was interesting.


Does Palin once again think the rules don't apply to her?
Posted on 02 January 2009
By Dan Fagan


How is it possible that the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law is working as an apprentice on the North Slope?


The Governor, in trying to dispel rumors the father of her grandchild is a high school drop out, released this statement this week, “Levi is continuing his online high school work in addition to working as an electrical apprentice on the North Slope."


But federal regulations require any members of apprentice programs, union or otherwise, first obtain a high school diploma, something the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law, Levi Johnston does not have. Some apprentice programs even require the completion of high school level Algebra or the post secondary equivalent.


So how is it that the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law is working in an apprentice program? Is this another case of the Governor believing the law doesn’t apply to her?


Bo Underwood, who heads up ASRC’s electrical apprentice program, confirmed Johnston is indeed enrolled as an apprentice. Underwood claimed not to know whether a high school diploma is needed to be an ASRC apprentice and said he would check on it. But federal regulations clearly state a high school diploma is needed before entering an apprentice program. How is it the man who runs the program does not know that?


Underwood also claimed not to know whether there is a waiting list for the ASRC apprentice program he runs. Imagine that.


Rebecca Logan, executive director of Associated Builders and Contractors, an organization that also has an electrical workers apprentice program, says waiting lists almost always accompany apprenticeship programs. Her organization’s apprentice program has a waiting list of at least 100 people.


Bo Underwood promised to get back with me on how the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law got into the apprentice program.


The Alaska Standard has a call into the Governor’s office as well. We’ll let you know when we hear back from them on this issue.


Does Palin once again think the rules don't apply to her?

thought this article was interesting.


Does Palin once again think the rules don't apply to her?
Posted on 02 January 2009
By Dan Fagan


How is it possible that the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law is working as an apprentice on the North Slope?


The Governor, in trying to dispel rumors the father of her grandchild is a high school drop out, released this statement this week, “Levi is continuing his online high school work in addition to working as an electrical apprentice on the North Slope."


But federal regulations require any members of apprentice programs, union or otherwise, first obtain a high school diploma, something the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law, Levi Johnston does not have. Some apprentice programs even require the completion of high school level Algebra or the post secondary equivalent.


So how is it that the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law is working in an apprentice program? Is this another case of the Governor believing the law doesn’t apply to her?


Bo Underwood, who heads up ASRC’s electrical apprentice program, confirmed Johnston is indeed enrolled as an apprentice. Underwood claimed not to know whether a high school diploma is needed to be an ASRC apprentice and said he would check on it. But federal regulations clearly state a high school diploma is needed before entering an apprentice program. How is it the man who runs the program does not know that?


Underwood also claimed not to know whether there is a waiting list for the ASRC apprentice program he runs. Imagine that.


Rebecca Logan, executive director of Associated Builders and Contractors, an organization that also has an electrical workers apprentice program, says waiting lists almost always accompany apprenticeship programs. Her organization’s apprentice program has a waiting list of at least 100 people.


Bo Underwood promised to get back with me on how the Governor’s soon to be son-in-law got into the apprentice program.


The Alaska Standard has a call into the Governor’s office as well. We’ll let you know when we hear back from them on this issue.


They not only can apply, they receive mortgages
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And the part that would apply to issues other than abortion? (sm)
You might as well just go ahead and do away with the hippocratic oath.
How nice for you, but how does this apply to the political topic.....sm
Can you think outside of your own little special world? There are folk out here, like me, and so many others here, who are honestly trying to deal with U.S. economy, world economy, saving our country from financial disaster....wow, get your head out of your darling fortunate a$$, get off your hown head trip, stop trying to trump people, becaue you are not, and try to deal with the issues of others in this country.
Post where this link is. Doesn't apply anymore, don't think...sm
If it does, post the link to the rule
You and she should apply to serve on Michelle Bachmann's McCarthyesque
so you can investigate dems in the Congress and Senate for unpatriotic subversion and help her define precisely what means to be and not to be an American and come up with some sort of homogenous morality that we can all follow. You two could be in charge of decency and common sense department.
why would he have to apply for citizenship? He never denounced his citizenship...
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