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Posted By: "me too" game. This is much worse.nm on 2008-09-29
In Reply to: This takes the CAKE (& icing)! - Frannie May

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Actually, nasty, tacky, low-class rhetoric is exactly that,
You seem mighty sure of yourself while you presume to speak for a complete stranger.
can we all play

I can remember when republicans attacked Hiliary and Chelsea  big time.  Dont you remember?  So, now that someone has attacked Bush, his daughters and wife (seems like quite a bit is not attack but truth), the poster is wrong.  Geez, I can remember when I would read awful attacks on Chelsea, who was only a child while in the White House, and I often thought all this is gonna affect her self esteem.  Hiliary has been a punching bag and continues to be from the right wing.  So, can we all get over it?  Politics is tough and yes both sides attack, even personally (really..wow??) the other side.  From the posts I have read between these two (GT and MT), me thinks one has a grudge against the other and that to me is ridiculous and tiring to read.  So, kiddies, can we all play nicely in the sand box?


I just got it to come up and play

for me.  You might try it again.


Ok...I'll play along with this one

So by your reasoning if a child molestor had molested a child many years ago....you would be okay with the person teaching young children?  Because that person has a right to privacy and if they are qualified to teach...their prior history should not be of any concern?


I'm sorry but there are exceptions to every rule here.  A person who willingly, knowingly, and admittingly helped blow up several buildings while running a terrorist group should have no right to be a teacher or instructor to any students......period. 


I'm tired too - can I play?

What I'm tired of - denial. Widespread total denial, even as live as we've known it crumbles to ashes.


Take the healthcare mess. Lobbyists of insurance and pharmaceutical companies buying the vote of every senator and congressman in Washington to keep the status quo. The people we elected to office taking bribes to betray the very people that elected them. I am sick of knowing that no matter how much I pay in insurance premiums, when the time comes for a claim to get paid, big business will find any loophole to deny the claim and bankrupt me - and they get legislated more loopholes every day by anybody I vote for. And if I am unlucky enough to have a disease that requires a procedure to save my life, the "loss prevention" department at any insurer I pay will diligently seek reason to deny that procedure as "unnecessary" so I will do without the procedure and die. All Washington can do is lie and deny about the healthcare situation.


The lie that the more the government spends on "defense", the safer we are. I found out after Katrina just how safe I was, just how much my government would take care of me, and just what fun living under martial law is. I have learned just how much respect for our enlisted men the government has as they deny insurance claims to their families if they die in action, and force them to pay back sign-on bonuses if they are careless enough to get hurt on the job and have to be removed from duty before their stint is up. I have learned how much are government cares for our other heros, as they deny 9/11 rescue workers healthcare, while providing the best healthcare that can be bought for the terrorists they have incarcerated. Whatever the government claims to be defending, it is not you and me, it is the interests of the big businesses that have bought their vote. Oh, and PLEASE, search every sweet little grandmother that gets on any plane going anywhere - that'll make me feel real safe, because nothing can possibly go wrong with a flight if all the American passengers are treated like criminals before they board it. Keeping the sky safe is all we need, since our borders are so secure that no terrorist could possibly sneak into the country by any other means, like our illegal aliens do!


I am sick of profiteers getting bailed out at the expense of the little guy. I am disgusted to watch incompetence be rewarded and responsibility punished. I am tired of watching people lose their homes, jobs and way of life - while we legislate billions to keep the corporate profits strong, and swallow the propaganda that offshoring our jobs to other countries is a good thing.


I am sick of the war on drugs. How many years and how much mony have been spent on this, yet we are not winning it, so lets just keep throwing money at it and surely someday we'll win. Certainly a DEA agent would never take a bribe or feel any greed like the folks in Washington do.


I am tired of the welfare system and the corruption within it. I am tired of reporting fraud just to be shushed because it causes too much paperwork for them to investigate. I am tired of hearing how anyone can get a government check for threadbare reasons such as questionable mental disabilities, drug/alcohol addiction, or simply the desire to breed irresponsibly until their reproductive organs give up the game. I'm sick of us giving welfare to anyone that strolls into our country illegally and sticks out their hand. I'm 49, I am assured that there will be nothing left for me when I am old and ill, and I have paid into the system all my life. I am also assured that no matter how much wealth I may amass to try to pay my own way, health care costs will continue to skyrocket past it and any illness at all will financially wipe me out, so the best I can hope for is a quick, severe illness that kills me before I'm penniless and homeless.


I am tired of charities that bombard us with heartwrenching commercials - then turn around and pay any contributions we give to CEOs, advertising, and overhead - only then maybe a few cents will actually be left over for the pitiful victims we intended to help.


I am sick of the environmentalists, PETA activists and vegans. Get real, folks. We can't even stop being barbaric to other humans - considering the way we treat our heros, veterans, children, elderly, poor, disaster victims, mentally ill and homeless - do you seriously think we'll become misty eyed about a marshland or an animal? Well, obviously some of us find it preferable to caring about other humans. But your lectures regarding what will we leave our future generations and where is our conscience also apply to the national debt and all the other problems we continue to allow to escalate. So which fire needs to be put out first, would it be possible to actually define and prioritize all the issues intead of just jumping on your bandwagon?


I'm also tired of hearing about the horrific conditions in other countries - imagine taking an interest in what's wrong with our own country before we go fixing everybody else on the planet!


I am tired of being politically correct. We are sooo, sooo worried about offending "someone", and a slip of the tongue in front of a camera can ruin a career....but we have no problem taking away anyone's livelihood, housing, self-respect, dignity, health or even their life if it stands in the way of corporate profit. So why keep up the pretense that we care how anyone feels?


I am tired of going to the polls to vote for people who claim to stand for something, but are prepared to change their mind the minute they hit Washington and the bribes start rolling in. I am tired of having no good choices on election day, and no candidate that I have any faith in actually making it on the ballot. I am tired of knowing that any candidate from any party that makes it to Washington will be on a lobbyist's payroll before they cast their first vote on any issue, so whoever I vote for will put the highest bidder's interests first.


I am tired of the widespread apathy of my fellow citizens, who waste their brainpower on entertainment and fluff, instead of questioning the system and working to change it. I am tired of greed that has taken over every aspect of this country. I am tired of a society that worships wealth, celebrity and beauty for all the wrong reasons. I am weary of everyone being in debt up to their eyeballs, one paycheck away from total financial anniliation, and thinking its a sensible way to live because "everybody" does it. After all, our national leaders show us by example that the solution to huge debt is borrowing more money without a thought for tomorrow, and daily the media assures us those guys really know what they're doing! I am tired of conspicuous consumption and planned obsolesence. I am sick of the skyrocketing costs of education and transportation. I am sick that everything I voluntarily purchase or involuntarily contribute to via taxes has been deberately engineered by some corporate fat-cat to cost me more and give me less than it did yesterday.


Sign me - Just another unheard voice in the land of the deceived, home of the naive.


Nobody should play games with these
NM
Play nice, boys.



Yeah, these boys are something to be proud of (scroll down fairly far):














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"Just what you see, pal."

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And I feel my finger on your trigger
I know nobody can do me no harm
Because happiness is a warm gun...

-Lennon/McCartney

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You feeling lucky, punk?
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Is there anything sweeter than the sound of shotgun shells ejecting?
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Chris is one guy you do not want to f--k with.
http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/misc/guns/guns_09.jpg Chris was kind enough to loan us some weapons to take back with us, so thanks to him ProtestWarrior HQ is now heavily armed. So to all the leftists that want to completely disarm the populace, all we have to say is come get some.








Go play outside and egging people on
it's not very flattering, and it's obviously you're trying to stoke a fight.
now now children, play nicely.
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Go play your own games. Would rather seek
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Let's play "stump the candidate."
It was a setup. This from a Latin American who heard the interview:

Basically, McCain was getting questions about Hugo Chavez, about Evo Morales, and about Raul Castro and then when the interviewer pivoted to Spain’s José Zapatero, McCain responded with some boilerplate about his approach to Latin America being that we need to stay close to our friends and stand strong against our enemies.

Perhaps he did not know the name of the President of Spain, and when thrown out there with enemies of this country with no qualifier....I have no doubt Obama or Biden either one would have failed the "test."

Obama didn't know how many states are in this country, either...after 3 guesses. I am more comfortable with someone who can't immediately recall the name of the President of Spain than a President who doesn't know how many states are in the country he is going to govern.

Sheesh.
Turn about's fair play so...
If you're condemning Palin for THREE MINUTES standing before a visiting minister, I'd love to hear your take on Obama spending TWENTY YEARS in the company of his spiritual mentor (Obama's words, not mine), Reverend Wright.

You believe AIDS was created by the US government to wipe out minorities?

You believe 'GD America is in the Bible?'

Or do you only believe things subjectively, when it suits your cause?
Race does play a part -
I have a friend that just told me today that she is torn about who to vote for even though she is a democrat and has voted strictly democrat her entire life, but this time she is "just not sure". I asked her if it was because he was black and she said no, it is because he is Muslim - I explained that no he was not and she said she was still going to have to be careful and think things through this time about whether to vote for him or not.

race does play a part
And I agree with you..however, I am so SICK and TIRED of people saying that "Obama is a MUSLIM"...he has stated time and time again that he is NOT, yet there are those who have set in their minds that he IS...sad and yes, underlying racist mentality in this country that many people try to state does not exist...sad
You are a very childish poster..go play with the
aa
Privatize SS, as in play the market with SS tax $.
and see what you come up with.
you do not play fair when you do this to inviduals
and attack them personally
Oh pleeeze........don't play that game
You have name called left and right on this board and you know exactly what you were doing but you didn't hear anyone scream MODERATOR, even though you were definitely name calling and it was racially intended. Just because some have thicker skin and overlook your nasty comments does not mean they were not racially motivated.

Even then, rabid republicans and creepublicans is nasty....I suppose it's what you consider nasty and racist, huh?
There is the old typical refrain, play it
Bush, baby. Thank God, the pubs in the house wised up, along with 11 of the dems! Prayerfully, so will the Senators!
here we go, let's play the "racism" card again....
nm
what do you mean, play YOUR full deck., come on!..m
nm
Harry Reid wants it both ways, and has tried to play JM...sm
for a fool in this.


Somehow, I think it's going to backfire on Harry Reid.




Ummm, don't play the race card here
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When all else fails, play the race card, right?
"You have a problem with someone speaking against THIS president, cause he is black and you can't stand it!"

This is what happens when you let Janine Garafalo tell you what to think.

Puh-THETIC.
No, but thanks for asking. It appears liberal kiddie garden has let out and they are at play
on the conservative board. 
I agree, a definite overstatement and play on words. sm

I prefer the LA Times version, though I don't really like them.  Their article did not try to deliberately mislead.


Sigh...you go right back and play the religion card....

despite how many times I tell you it has nothing to do with what my Christian beliefs are, other than my belief in Christ strengthens my moral resolve.  Abortion is morally wrong and it is on that level that I most strenuously oppose it.  I have no reason to believe that if I parted ways with God as you have that my moral convictions would go with Him.  I had moral convictions before I knew Christ.  All knowing Him has done is strengthen them.


You have morals, right?  Has nothing to do with religion, as you don't have a belief in God, right?  You and He parted ways a long time ago didn't you say?  Did your morals go with Him?  Of COURSE they didn't.  You think war is morally wrong.  That does not come from any religion in you does it?  NO.  It comes from your morality.  The same place my exception to abortion comes from. There are many people against abortion on moral grounds who aren't Christians. 


You ignored my question again.  Do you think war is ever justified?  Was the Revolutionary War?  Was the Civil War?  ANY war? 


Just as you think it is a shame war casualties do you light a fire in my heart like millions of aborted children, I think it is a shame that aborted children don't light a fire in yours.


Geeezzzz piglet.  Is there a GOOD way to murder a baby?  I don't think so!!   I don't care how they do it...it still kills them.  Murder is rarely done in a "humane" manner.  It would not be more palatable to me no matter how it was done.  I mention how it is done because you continue to talk about maimed and mangled and bloody war casualties.  That is why I bring the point that that is exactly what abortion does...maim, mangle, torture, and kill.  Neither is pretty.  Both are ugly, and both end with death.  Would you want pictures of aborted babies on the 6:00 news?  Would you like live video footage of a late term partial birth abortion with your evening meal?  Perhaps we could have a half hour of war victims and a half hour of abortions?


I think you are wrong about abortion going underground.  Women would start going to Mexico or to whatever state abortions were available.   But at least the woman still has a choice of an illegal abortion or carrying the child.  The child NEVER gets a choice.  In your world that is fair.  In mine, it is not.  That being said, I realistically do not believe that we will ever live in a country again where abortion is illegal nationwide.  I do not believe it will happen.  That does not mean I will not continue to speak out against it or work with organizations to give women a choice other than abortion.  And if called upon to vote for or against...it will be against.  Just like I would not vote to legalize murder.  Or theft.  It is just amazing to me how outside the womb it is a crime to kill a child, inside the womb it is open season. Freaking amazing.  That is why in a partial birth abortion they have to force a breech delivery, then pull back skin of neck, insert needle and suck the brain out, to collapse the skull, while the head is still inside the mother.  So that the baby is dead when it is "delivered."  If the head was out before that procedure, by law the child has been "born" and to kill it then would be murder.  So, to be "legal," have to suck the brain out while the head still inside. Sick.


Going to war is not a unilateral decision.  It requires a majority of Congress.  Abortion requires a majority of one.  Giving one human being total control and choice to take the life of another is morally wrong.  Any other time that happens we call it murder without blinking an eye.


So, whether we "agree" with disagreeing or not....we disagree. 


Have a wonderful Christmas, Piglet.  :)


 


Turnabout fair play. Abortion saturation vs
nm
I can understand fully why you don't want to play the blame game...
considering where the blame falls. If those were all Republicans in the dam*ing video, would you be on this board saying stop the blame game? I think NOT. Where is accountability? You should be fighting mad about this...and demanding accountability from your party members who brought this down on us. I do not understand that. You want to hang Bush out to dry for every little wrong, and here we face the biggest financial crisis in decades, and the evidence is irrefutable Democrats on the hill are responsible..yet you give THEM a pass. WHY is that?
And with this comment you'll continue to play the victim and
say its always and only the conservatives that are mean.
now there's a good reason to want him as president. he can play basketball
nm
I guess they figure if Bush doesn't play by the rules,
they don't have to, either.  No big surprise here.  They want to take over everything, just as Bush does:  With Bush, it's the world.  With them, it's this message board.  I agree with you, though.  They should stay on their own board, as the moderator has requested.  
He has been called out a lot this week for lying, even by his own party...sad he can't play nice
:)
To play "devil's advocate," she sought the limelight media attention with all she had and w
Mr. McCain and to try to grab up all the female votes they could, which they thought were going to flock to them from the Hillary camp. The problem was that once she began to open her mouth in interviews, showed her ignorance of current events, foreign policies, and many general knowledge subjects, she showed how dreadfully inexperienced, unprepared, and uneducated in very very vital topics she was.....if we were concerned for our country, fearing that someone very inexperienced and unprepared to be president was about to be in the #2 position, right behind an aging McCain, this certainly should have been discussed, reported, debated, whatever....I do not believe in personal attacks at her family, but the previous poster is right, her family was used as props at every rally, her darling baby, the other children, and her husband "first dude." I do think it went too far and became cruel, but she was in over her head whether she was Republican, Democrat, or Independent.
There's a place for everything!!!
nm
she did go to the right place
they had her husband listed but not her. she went on the county website and found her active status after she got home but now it's too late because of the provisional ballot being accepted.
You ought to see the place now.
The people who bought it left the barn fall apart. They tore down the summer kitchen (2 rooms, 1 up, 1 down)  and "canning house" (24 x 40), and never took care of the orchard. It looks like a dump...and it breaks my heart. Everything was in good shape when we tried to buy it.
Probably the same place she gets
It seems to be of comparable quality.
Web site best place.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Mouse over the issues and a drop down list will provide you with lots of links that should keep you busy. You can also check out some of his better speeches if you like. If you are interested in being conversational and social and an Obama party, this is the place for you.

As you have already discovered, this chat room is the last place to look. The web site simply lays out the platform and policies in Obama's own words, without bias one way or the other..simple straight talk.

If, however, you are interested in getting kicked out of the party and labeled a right-wing fringe element, then go to the other links on black liberation theology. You are free, of course, to read about it and come to your own conclusions. But if you do explore that issue, please read the website throughly before deciding whether or not you think he subscribes to that theology. I can tell you categorically, none of his supporters believe the propaganda suggested to you in the other posts in this regard. It would be interesting to ask others at the party what they think about the assertions that Obama embodies those beliefs.

How refreshing to find a voter as open minded as this. Good luck with our research. Feel free to email me with any questions you may have.
I don't know....but I don't think it is our place to judge....
I knew girls in high school who did not want to ask their parents about birth control, intended to stay celibate, had the same boyfriend through school let hormones override their better judgment and got pregnant. Not their parents' fault. And as you said, the boy could have used a condom, and we don't know that he didn't, because we know the success rate for condoms is not that great. That we are even having this discussion to me is ludicrous...if Chelsea had become pregnant while Bill was in the White House I don't think Democrats would be attacking Bill and Hillary's parenting skills. I certainly would not have.
System in place........
No more taxes? Would be nice, but have to have some system in place to run schools, hospitals, keep infrastructure up to date, etc.

That is what your state is supposed to be responsible for.....not our government.


that's okay - I just said we needed something in place nm
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And, according to the Q'ran there is a place
in h*ll for all who are not Muslim, including you, if you are not Muslim.

Wanna dispute that?

there is already some provisions in place -
I already had my preexisting conditions covered because I had had continuous coverage for 18 months before with another company - so it can be done already in some cases. Why would it be impossible to make it a law in every case?
That would be the US Senate....same place as McC
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put this in the wrong place--sorry
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I only everybody would think like you, the world would be a better place,...thanks,.....nm
nm
You nut jobs can have this place

Keep on ranting about the stupid b/c like as if you are smarter than Hillary and McCain.  If there'd been even a SNIFF of wrongdoing in the b/c, they would have drug it out and already drug it through the mud.  Personally I don't think a lot of the nut jobs who hang out here are even MTs.  I think they are professional political pot stirers!!!


BB, you don't think religion has a place anywhere! LOL sm
You do know I'm just kidding, right?

Warren did take a biblical stand against gay marriage and homosexuality, which does surprise me, considering what "The MESSage" says, but as much as I disagree with him on a lot of things (not necessarily environmental) I have to agree with his stance regarding what you refer to as alternative lifestyles. According to the Bible, homosexuality ranks right in there with all the other things you mentioned. I won't go any further into that because this is not the forum for it. However, I do think that Warren's watered down style probably fits in more with Obama's idea of religion that, oh, say, Billy Graham might. I just wonder if Rev. Wright got his feelings hurt because he wasn't chosen. He was, after all, Obama's religious mentor.
Thanks. If I want entertainment, that would be the place, but
I would find two-way conversations between opposing points of view aimed at defining differences, finding common ground, and respectful exchange of reliable and verifiable information which is SOLUTIONS oriented much more challenging. Any ideas?
Why the name calling? Isn't this a place where...
...people can feel free to express their opinions?  Your post was just plain rude.