Harry Reid wants it both ways, and has tried to play JM...sm

• McCain is afraid to debate Obama. - I smell a chicken!
  • You sound like the chicken, m'dear - sm - Fauxbama
    • First because of a hurricane. Now because of Wall St. - Next it'll be a flood in the midwest or - s/m
  • Obama is the chicken, not McCain - Concerned
    • That's totally DELUSIONAL. - oy........
    • EVERYBODY knows? - ME
      • ME - Concerned
      • Haha! It always seems the people with the biggest flag- - decals on their cars are the illegal aliens.
  • Well apparently he has some on this board fooled. nm - huh?
  • COUNTRY FIRST. Debate later. - nm
    • DEBATE first! Country's already a lost cause. - .
    • No, it's his riches are stake! - NM - good ole boy network is scared!
    • Debate first so we know what they're thinking! - the other nm here
  • And you actually think continuing the presidential campaign... - sam
    • I don't see why the debates should be canceled. - Kiki
    • Harry Reid told McCain and Obama - Stay away
      • Yeah, and yesterday Harry Reid said if McCain... - sam
        • Harry Reid wants it both ways, and has tried to play JM...sm - ms
          • yes....this is also the man who announced... - sam
        • you sound like a very angry person nm - Xanax
          • Well, it does tick me off a little bit.... - sam
            • As does ANY post that doesn't 100% agree with - everything she does.
  • Not me for a minute!!! Foolish old man. nm - nm
    • Then I take it if Obama had suspended his campaign first... - sam
      • It's quite possible! My mind is open. But sm - nm

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Such a jerk! I truly hope the O can out manuever him. He's worse than Pelosi and Barney Fife put together.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123206643514588079.html

FLASHBACK: Dem Senate Leader Harry Reid: 'Our Federal Wallet Stretched To Limit By Illegal Aliens Getting Welfare'

'Even worse, Americans have seen heinous crimes committed by individuals who are here illegally'

August 5, 1993

The Office of Sen. Harry Reid issued the following:

In response to increased terrorism and abuse of social programs by aliens, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) today introduced the first and only comprehensive immigration reform bill in Congress.

Currently, an alien living illegally in the United States often pays no taxes but receives unemployment, welfare, free medical care and other federal benefits. Recent terrorist acts, including the World Trade Center bombing, have underscored the need to keep violent criminals out of the country.

Reid's bill, the Immigration Stabilization Act of 1993, overhauls the nation's immigration laws and calls for a massive scale-down of immigrants allowed into the country from approximately 800,000 to 300,000.

The bill also changes asylum laws to prevent phony asylum seekers. Reid said the U.S. open door policy is being abused at the expense of honest, working citizens.

We are a country founded upon fairness and justice, Reid said. An individual in real threat of torture or long-term incarceration because of his or her political beliefs can still seek asylum. But this bill closes the door to those who want to abuse America's inherent generosity and legal system.

Reid's bill also cracks down on illegal immigration. The 1990 census reported 3.3 million illegal aliens in America. Recent estimates indicate about 2.5 million immigrants illegally entered the United States last year.

Our borders have overflowed with illegal immigrants placing tremendous burdens on our criminal justice system, schools and social programs, Reid said. The Immigration and Naturalization Service needs the ability to step up enforcement.

Our federal wallet is stretched to the limit by illegal aliens getting welfare, food stamps, medical care and other benefits often without paying any taxes.

Safeguards like welfare and free medical care are in place to boost Americans in need of short-term assistance. These programs were not meant to entice freeloaders and scam artists from around the world. Even worse, Americans have seen heinous crimes committed by individuals who are here illegally, Reid said.

Specific provisions of Reid's Immigration Stabilization Act include the following:

-- Reduces annual legal immigration levels from approximately 800,000 admissions per year to about 300,000. Relatives other than spouse or minor children will be admitted only if already on immigration waiting lists and their admission does not raise annual immigration levels above 300,000.

-- Reforms asylum rules to prevent aliens from entering the United States illegally under phony asylum claims.

-- Expands list of felonies considered aggravated felonies requiring exclusion and deportation of criminal aliens. Allows courts to order deportation at time of sentencing.

-- Increases penalties for failing to depart or re-entering the United States after a final order of deportation order. Increases maximum penalties for visa fraud from five years to 10 years.

-- Curtails alien smuggling by authorizing interdiction and repatriation of aliens seeking to enter the United States unlawfully by sea. Increases penalties for alien smuggling.

-- Adds alien smuggling to the list of crimes subject to sanctions under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. Expands the categories of property that are forfeited when used to facilitate the smuggling or harboring of illegal aliens.

-- Clarifies that a person born in the United States to an alien mother who is not a lawful resident is not a U.S. citizen. This will eliminate incentive for pregnant alien women to enter the United States illegally, often at risk to mother and child, for the purpose of acquiring citizenship for the child and accompanying federal financial benefits.

-- Mandates that aliens who cannot demonstrably support themselves without public or private assistance are excludable. This will prevent admission of aliens likely to be dependent on public financial support. This requirement extends to the sponsor of any family sponsored immigrant.

-- Increases border security and patrol officers to 9,900 full-time positions.

END

I don't know how they can stand up there and lie through their teeth like that...blaming the White House and Republicans for this financial debacle.  They know that is a lie.  They know, especially Chris Dodd, was central to this.  Also mentioned Barney Frank.  Good grief.  The hypocrisy is staggering.  They should be talking about getting us out of this mess....just yesterday they were saying don't play the blame game.  Telling McCain not to politicize it while they are politicizing it.  That man makes my skin crawl. 

And saying there was a "deal" and McCain blew it up.  The only "deal" was among senators...the only house person present could not negotiate.  He just had to listen.  If they had the plan and had gone to the house with it, then the house would have blocked it there and hours if not days would have been wasted.  Amazing the gall of some folks.  Ridiculous!!!

Why can't they all stop the political posturing and just fix this mess.  The House is only reacting to the onslaught of emails from their constituents saying protect us here, we don't like this carte blanche 700 billion.  I for one am GLAD at least the Republicans in the house said whoa wait just a minute here. 

It's getting scarier and scarier every day.

By the way, there is a web page for people who want to thank Harry Taylor for speaking out unless they're afraid Bush's goons will come after them for doing so.  Normally, I would have been afraid of being targeted by the government for being a *Bush enemy* (definition:  anyone who disagrees with Bush policies) and I wouldn't have signed it.  However, if I'm going to die, anyway, of radiation from his nuclear war, I'm beginning to just not care any more.  The site is http://www.thankyouharrytaylor.org/

Every politician in Congress (except Murtha and Feingold) seems to be paralyzed when it comes to this President.  Maybe there's some truth to Senator Byrd's book *Losing America* where he asserts that the White House knows if any congressman was unfaithful to their spouse, ever visited a pornsite on the web, has any fetishes, pecadillos, idiosyncrasies, etc. and would blackmail that politician with such knowledge.  Given his known *dirty-trick politics,* such behavior would seem to follow Bush's modus operandi. 

both say they demand a PLAN from all three before they will agree to give them any money, that they wanted full accountability and transparency.  (I had to DOUBLE-CHECK to make sure it WAS Pelosi and Reid I was hearing.)

I think this is a good idea.  Maybe if those conditions had been applied to Paulson, the Wall Street crooks would have had to toe the line a bit.  Instead, sadly, Wall Street gets a blank check, NO oversight, NO transparency, and Paulson keeps changing his mind about what to do with the money.

I don't want to see America lose GM, Ford or Chrysler.  They have the technology available to them to manufacture cars that can get 50 miles per gallon.  (I bought one in the mid 1980s.)  Maybe they need to spruce up the old ཽ Mustangs, or even the beloved ཱུ Chevies with that kind of gas mileage for those of us who can't afford the expensive hybrids they want to offer. 

The main problem, though, seems to be the arrogance of the CEOs of these companies (particularly with the private jet issues).  One of these CEOs (I can't remember his name now) was asked if he would resign if it was for the good of the company, and he flatly refused and indicated there was nothing wrong with his performance.  In my opinion, the cockier their attitude, the less they may be likely to get.

The other option of bankruptcy would force restructuring, and I believe would force out the incompetent CEOs and managers, developing a viable plan and starting from scratch, while still operating and not needing to lay off so many workers.

I've known for well over a year now that we were in a recession.  I used to watch the Dow every day, did a happy dance and sang a little song (with apologies to Neil Sadaka):  "Dow, doobie do, Dow down.  Come on, Come on, Dow, doobie do, Dow down.  Goin' broke is hard to do."

I think those of us with the least noticed this trend a long, long time ago.  I realized then that until and unless the richest of the rich started to feel the "pinch," people like us would never have a chance because we were the invisible Americans.  (I guess this is the "bottom-up theory.")

In a convoluted sort of way, this might help some Americans.  I know it's going to hurt a lot of people, as well, but the less money people can spend, the more prices will be forced to go down.  That old "what the market will bear" kind of thing.  So working from the "bottom up," as Obama has mentioned, seems to go along with the way I've been thinking this for a long time now.

Regulations must be put back in place regarding Wall Street.   They all will be getting their Christmas bonuses this year -- quite hefty ones -- and you and I are paying for them.  Meanwhile, Christmas in my home is looking very bleak this year.

I read somewhere that the CEO of any company, by law, shouldn't be allowed to earn more than the President of the United States earns.

Sounds like a good place to start.

My wishes for a great evening to you all. 

I can remember when republicans attacked Hiliary and Chelsea  big time.  Dont you remember?  So, now that someone has attacked Bush, his daughters and wife (seems like quite a bit is not attack but truth), the poster is wrong.  Geez, I can remember when I would read awful attacks on Chelsea, who was only a child while in the White House, and I often thought all this is gonna affect her self esteem.  Hiliary has been a punching bag and continues to be from the right wing.  So, can we all get over it?  Politics is tough and yes both sides attack, even personally (really..wow??) the other side.  From the posts I have read between these two (GT and MT), me thinks one has a grudge against the other and that to me is ridiculous and tiring to read.  So, kiddies, can we all play nicely in the sand box?

for me.  You might try it again.

Of course, it takes a reasoning fair minded person to do it.  And that is very rare, practically nonexistent anymore.  One of William Bennett's best friends is Thomas Sowell.  If he is a racist, explain that.  You can't, because he isn't.  You and others like you do more to divide the white and black peoples of this country.  Anything to drive a wedge in and portray the Democratic party as the saviors of the blacks.  They don't need saviors, you know. They are perfectly able to fend for themselves.  In fact, many blacks are coming to realize that they have been used as pawns by the Democrats.  It doesn't matter if you believe it or not.  And frankly I don't care if you do.  Just keep spouting your leftist propaganda.  People are listening and they are running the other way. 

Either she is a tough, experienced mayor and governor who has and will face down the big boy club, or else is an novelty, inexperienced candidate who must be sheltered from from reporters.  You can't have it both ways.

So by your reasoning if a child molestor had molested a child many years ago....you would be okay with the person teaching young children?  Because that person has a right to privacy and if they are qualified to teach...their prior history should not be of any concern?

I'm sorry but there are exceptions to every rule here.  A person who willingly, knowingly, and admittingly helped blow up several buildings while running a terrorist group should have no right to be a teacher or instructor to any students......period. 

1. Behaving as if he had a mandate from day 1.

2. Iraq, Iraq, Iraq and Iraq (this includes everything from the phony  buildup to the quicksand of today).

3. Leaving Afghanistan to go to Iraq.

4. Tax cuts for the billionaires.

5. Restoring integrity to the WH??? Libby, Rove, Cunningham, Goss, DeLay, Cheney, Wilkes, Allen, Watergate redux (we are not only replaying Viet Nam, we are replaying freaking Watergate).

6. Staffing his cabinet with old fogies from his Dad and even Ford's time who see the world quite differently from what it has become in reality.  

7. Gross incompetence in domestic and foreign affairs.

8. Making the United States a laughingstock.

9. Turning us into a third world country with outsourcing, offshoring, hiring illegal immigrants, importing much more than we are exporting, the glorification of cheap Chinese stuff at Wal-Mart and on and on....

10. Medicare fiasco.

11. Education fiasco.

12. The reuniting of church and state.

13. Job losses.

14. Healthcare fiasco.

1.  Really poor choice of Republican presidential candidate (republican lite).

2.  George Soros's backing.

3.  Mainstream media gave him a complete pass as far as any close scrutiny.  Still are, although the honeymoon may be ending.

4.  He's gonna fill my gas tank and pay my mortgage.

5.  Political correctness.

6.  The teleprompter.

7.  Etc.