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LOL...Is this the part where I call you a bible-thumping republican? ROFL....sm

Posted By: Just the big bad on 2008-11-22
In Reply to: you horrible atheist - shelly

I got most of those books, by the way.  Going on vacation after today though, so it'll probably be a week before we can get into it.


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    so you pick one miniscule part of the bible
    not sure why you people are still gullible enough to believe in that ancient book anyway.
    ROFL...don't make me call the spelling bee police....nm

    Exposed: Prop. 8 part of 'Christian Taliban's' move to make Bible the law

    The Protect Marriage Coalition, which led the fight to pass an anti-gay marriage initiative in California, is now suing to shield its financial records from public scrutiny.


    The lawsuit claims that donors to Protect Marriage and a second group involved in the suit have received threatening phone calls and emails. It asks for existing donation lists to be removed from the California secretary of state's website and also seeks to have both plaintiffs and all similar groups be exempted in the future from ever having to file donation disclosure reports on this or any similar campaigns.


    Although public access advocates believe this sweeping demand for donor anonymity has little chance of success, it does point up the secretive and even conspiratorial nature of much right-wing political activity in California.


    Howard Ahmanson and Wayne C. Johnson


    The man who more than any other has been associated with this kind of semi-covert activity over the past 25 years is reclusive billionaire Howard Ahmanson.


    Ahmanson is a Christian Reconstructionist, a devout follower of the late R.J. Rushdoony, who advocated the replacement of the U.S. Constitution with the most extreme precepts of the Old Testament, including the execution -- preferably by stoning -- of homosexuals, adulterers, witches, blasphemers, and disobedient children.


    Ahmanson himself has stated, "My goal is the total integration of biblical law into our lives."


    As absurd as this Reconstructionist agenda may seem, the success of Proposition 8 demonstrates the ability of what is sometimes called the "Christian Taliban" to pursue its covert objectives behind the screen of seemingly mainstream initiatives and candidates.


    Ahmanson's role in promoting Proposition 8 has drawn a lot of attention, but he appears to serve primarily as the money man, leaving his associates to carry out the practical details. One name in particular stands out as Ahmanson's chief lieutenant: political consultant Wayne C. Johnson, whose Johnson Clark Associates (formerly Johnson & Associates) coordinated the Proposition 8 campaign.


    Johnson has spent many years working for Ahmanson-funded causes -- such as the battle against a 2004 initiative to promote stem cell research -- and organizations, like the anti-spending California Taxpayer Protection Committee.


    Johnson Clark has also operated PACs for many candidates supported by Ahmanson. It ran Rep. John Doolittle's leadership PAC, which became notorious for sending a 15% commission to Doolittle's wife out of every donation received. It currently runs the PAC for Rep. Tom McClintock, a strong Proposition 8 supporter who was narrowly elected last fall to succeed the scandal-plagued Doolittle.
    Proposition 8


    The series of events leading to the approval of Proposition 8 began in 2000 with the passage of Proposition 22, which defined marriage in California as being solely between one man and one woman -- but did so only as a matter of law and not as a constitutional amendment.


    Proposition 22 was quickly challenged in court, leading to the creation by its supporters of the the Proposition 22 Legal Defense Fund. In 2003, Johnson Clark Associates registered the domain ProtectMarriage.com on behalf of that fund.


    ProtectMarriage.com began campaigning in early 2005 for an initiative that would add its restrictive definition of marriage to the California constitution, but it failed to gather sufficient signatures and was terminated in September 2006.


    In 2008, however, a reborn ProtectMarriage.com, flush with nearly a million dollars in funding from Howard Ahmanson and tens of millions from other doners, succeeding in getting Proposition 8 placed on the ballot and approved by 52% of the voters.


    Proposition 8 is now California law -- at least for the moment, pending challenges to its constitutionality -- and ProtectMarriage.com has turned its attention to demanding that all 18,000 existing same-sex marriages be declared invalid.
    The Ahmanson-Johnson Strategy


    The partnership between Ahmanson and Johnson, however, did not begin in 2003 or even in 2000. It goes back to at least 1983, if not earlier, and has been a continuing factor in California politics for the last 25 years.


    In a 1994 article on Christian Reconstructionism, Public Eye described Johnson's central role in an Ahmanson-financed attempt by the Christian Right to take control of the California state legislation. The strategy involved first pushing through a term limits initiative, which was accomplished in 1990, and then promoting its own candidates for the seats this opened up:


    "The practical impact of term limits is to remove the advantage of incumbency ... which the extreme Christian Right is prepared to exploit. ... At a Reconstructionist conference in 1983, Johnson outlined an early version of the strategy we see operating in California today. ... The key for the Christian Right was to be able to: 1) remove or minimize the advantage of incumbency, and 2) create a disciplined voting bloc from which to run candidates in Republican primaries, where voter turn out was low and scarce resources could be put to maximum effect. ...


    "Since the mid-1970s, the extreme Christian Right, under the tutelage of then-State Senator H. L Richardson, targeted open seats and would finance only challengers, not incumbents. By 1983, they were able to increase the number of what Johnson called 'reasonably decent guys' in the legislature from four to 27. At the Third Annual Northwest Conference for Reconstruction in 1983, Johnson stated that he believed they may achieve 'political hegemony. . .in this generation.'"


    The mention of H. L. "Bill" Richardson as the originator of the Johnson-Ahmanson strategy is both eye-catching and significant. Richardson, a former John Birch Society member, was considered to be one of the most extreme right-wing politicians of his time. In 1975, he co-founded Gun Owners of America (GOA), an organization which is widely regarded as being well to the right of the National Rife Association.


    Wayne Johnson began his political career in 1976 by working for Richardson -- and Johnson Clark Associates still operates a PAC for GOA's state affiliate, the Gun Owners of California Campaign Committee.


    In 1992, Johnson and Ahmanson managed to help send a batch of conservative Republicans to Congress. Foremost among these was Richard Pombo, one of whose first acts after taking office was to introduce a resolution of commendation for the Reconstructionist Chalcedon Foundation.


    In 2004, Johnson told an interviewer that Pombo's election was a high point of his political career. "There have been a lot of great moments, but Richard Pombo's 1992 upset victory in his first congressional primary has got to be near the top. The television stations didn't even have his name listed on their pre-programmed screens election night. Today, he's chairman of the House Resources Committee."


    Two years after Johnson's enthusiastic declaration, Pombo was defeated by a Democratic challenger, following wide-ranging allegation of corruption, including being named as the Congressman who had received more donations from Jack Abramoff than any other.
    The Anti-Homosexual Agenda


    Although the Christian Right never achieved its original goal of taking over California state government -- which may be why Ahmanson and Johnson have turned their attention to passing socially conservative initiatives instead -- it has been far more successful in establishing dominance over that state's Republican Party.


    In 1998, Mother Jones reported:


    "First they packed the then-moderate California Republican Assembly (CRA), a mainstream caucus with a heavy hand in the state party's nominating process, with their Bible-minded colleagues. By 1990 they controlled the CRA, and since then the CRA's clout has helped the religious conservatives nominate and elect local candidates and—crucially—catapult true believers into state party leadership slots. ...


    "From radical fringe to kingmakers in a decade — how did they do it? 'Basically, there's two places you have influence: one is in the nominating process in the primaries, where you can elect people in ideological agreement with your views, and the other is in the party structure,' says former CRA vice president John Stoos, a former gun lobbyist, member of the fundamentalist Christian Reconstructionist movement, and senior consultant to the State Assembly."


    Stoos appears to come out of precisely the same background as Johnson and Ahmanson. He served as the executive director of Gun Owners of California and was also the chief of staff and a legislative advisor to Tom McClintock from 1998 until 2003, when he got into trouble for his over-the-top Reconstructionist sentiments.


    In the Mother Jones interview, Stoos referred to Christian politicians as God's "vice-regents ... those who believe in the Lordship of Christ and the dominion mandate" and pointed to the repeal in the 1970's of laws against homosexual acts as an example of the need for rule by "biblical justice."


    "The proof is in the pudding," Stoos told Mother Jones. "Since we lifted those laws, we've had the biggest epidemic in history."


    To many who voted for it, Proposition 8 may have been no more than a nostalgic attempt to keep a changing world more like the way it used to be. But for Reconstructionists like Ahmanson, Johnson, and Stoos, it clearly represents something else -- a dramatic first step towards "the total integration of biblical law into our lives."


    What part of "I am republican first and foremost" (Colin Powell)
    nm
    Join the club - apparently I'm a 'bible-thumping christianist' lol
    But you do have a good plan.

    Let's all wait until after the damage is done before we try to inform ourselves about an issue.

    Yeah. Real good plan.
    There's some real whackos on that site. Right-wing thumping nut jobs. nm
    nm
    The Anti-Republican Republican Who is Really a Republican
    The whole anti-Republican Republican ruse might have succeeded, were it not for the fact that McCain's rhetoric was at odds not merely with his own voting record - 90 percent with Bush - and his own Bush-on-steroids agenda.

        Even as he was pledging to "change the way government does almost everything," the senator from Arizona announced his commitment to much, much more of the same.


        He pledged to maintain endless occupations of distant lands that empty the U.S. Treasury of precious resources that might pay for infrastructue renewal, housing and job creations initiatives for hurting Americans.


        He outlined trade and tax policies that would extend, rather than alter a failed economic status quo.


        He reintroduced flawed proposals for health care, education and entitlement reforms that Americans have wisely rejected.


        And he threatened to achieve "energy independence" by declaring:


        "We will drill..."


        "We'll drill..."


        "More drilling..."


        McCain's rhetoric was that of a liberated man declaring his independence from his party's failed president and corrupt Congresses.


        But his platform was that of Republican candidate who, for all of his talk of reform, offers the crudest continuity to a country that is crying out for change.


    http://www.truthout.org/article/the-anti-republican-republican-who-is-really-a-republican


    only part saved was the ignorant part
    You can read the whole article.  This quote was saved to show what she said that was so stupid.
    Call me what you want, just don't call me late for dinner. LOL....
    GP, I like your sense of humor.
    You call it hysteria, some call it concern for the
    nm
    Then call it what it is...or call for conservation...
    but don't make up a myth to try to gain control. That is what Gore is after...what all the global warming hoohah is after. They have an agenda...pure and simple. And the base fact is that a very low percentage of the greenhouse gas effect is from cars. Every time you breathe out, you contribute. Are we all going to stop breathing? Are cows going to stop belching? I have no problem with ethanol...I have used it. My husband is from Iowa...I would love it if we started using ethanol more extensively. But in previous years, Democrats (Hillary being a primary one) opposed the use of ethanol. I guess if I believed any of those people out there hawking global warming actually believed what they were saying it would be different...but I don't. The science is not there. As I said...if the real interest is conservation with the side benefit of less CO2...fine. Just say so. But as the article pointed out...if it is as bad as they say it is, you can't stop it anyway. It just does not make good sense to me.
    Fine. Call if whatever you want to call it....
    I will call it as I see it. I look at a totality of things. He has embraced black liberation theology which is racist and has Marxist tones for 20 years. There is no way the man went to that church for 20 years and did not know their doctrine. But, if you choose to believe that, again, fine. I do not. I believe he knows that theology backward and forward and believes it to his core. You don't have to. That is the wonderful thing about America. We can agree or disagree. On this we disagree.

    Yes, I am feeling a pinch. But I don't think the government should take money from you and give it to me. I don't think they should take money from any private business and give it to me. If you think that is fair, fine. I don't. That is how socialism/Marxism takes hold. Historically it ends the same way. I don't want that for America. Perhaps you do...you want the pinch eased for you and if that means taking money from someone else that they earned, and giving it to you, who did not earn it, to you it is all good. To me it isn't.

    He never has said who the $1000 checks are going to. I am thinking not every person in the whole US of A...so not only does he get to choose who he takes the money from, he gets to choose who to give it to. That would be another interesting piece of the puzzle. If he confirms to the Marxist view, it would be issuing checks to the "poor." And he gets to define who that is. You may be okay with that...me, not so much.

    And by the way...have you ever researched an oil company profit margin? It is not as huge as Obama would like you to believe. But, again, he is counting on no one researching what he says. They hear free money and that's all they want to hear. Also, do you think oil companies don't employ people? You think it is one CEO at a desk in an office raking in billions? You don't think there are rank and file regular folks who work for oil companies? Whose jobs might be impacted by you and others wanting to take money away from their employers and doling it out to people who have not earned it? You think there is a chance they might have a problem with that?
    I call, fax, and call again and I do campaign....
    xx
    Bible
    I don't believe I ever stated that the bible supports abortion, if i did, that was a typo. I said that Christ did not teach on homosexuality, yet Christians can be quick to judge homosexuals.

    I do not believe that the bible says one way or another, though abortion has been practiced for 1000s of years by midwives through the use of herbs.

    As far as my belief in the bible, I don't believe every written word in the bible is the ispired word of God. It has been translated (and changed) by humans through the years to suit their needs. For many years, only the wealthy could read (and women generally were not allowed to), so the scriptures have been misinterpreted (in my opinion) often. I have studied Latin to try to gain some meaning from more ancient texts, but I truly believe that much of the bible is a praise work (as in the psalms) and historical, but not 100% the word of God.




    Bible







































    • The Antichrist comes after a falling away or apostasy. (2 Thessalonians 2:3)
         - At times forbids marriage (1 Timothy 4:3)
         - At times commands not to eat certain foods that God says are ok to eat. (1 Timothy 4:3-5)
         - Has other teachings that are devilish (1 Timothy 4:1; Acts 8:20; 1 John 3:8, 4)
    • The Antichrist is revealed before the second coming of Jesus. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3)
    • The Antichrist has a visible leader. (Acts 20:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Daniel 7:8)
    • The Antichrist comes from within the church. (Acts 20:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:4)
    • and then takes up residence in the church (2 Thessalonians 2:4)
    • The Antichrist rules for a long period of time. (Revelation 13:5, 12:6, 12:14; Daniel 7:25)
    • The Antichrist receives its power from the Devil. (Revelation 13:2; Revelation 12:9)
    • The Antichrist blasphemes God. (Revelation 13:5-6; Daniel 7:8,20,25)
    • The Antichrist tries to change God's law. (Daniel 7:25)
    • The Antichrist persecutes the people who keep God's law. (Revelation 13:2, 12:17, 14:12; Daniel 7:21)
    • The persecution diminishes prior to the end of the Antichrist's rule. (Matthew 24:22)
    • The Antichrist's long rule comes to an end. (Revelation 13:3)
    • The Antichrist again regains power and prestige. (Revelation 13:3)
    • The Antichrist deceives people around the world into worshipping it. (Revelation 13:3)
    • Another forces people to worship the Antichrist. (Revelation 13:11-12)
    • Miracles are used to deceive people into worshipping the Antichrist. (Revelation 13:13-14)
    • Some resist the authority of the Antichrist so economic sanctions are then used. (Revelation 13:16)
    • Some people still resist and a death decree is brought against them. (Revelation 13:15)
    • The Antichrist has a mark of authority that must be avoided at all costs. (Revelation 13:16-17, 14:9-10)

    "I think everyone had better get out their Bible
    AIN'T IT THE TRUTH????
    where in the bible does it say
    abortion is wrong? Don't give me the murder crap, where does it actually say ABORTION is wrong? Abortion has been going on since the beginning of time and I am pretty sure there was plenty of it going on in biblical times, yet I don't recall seeing it mentioned ANYWHERE in the bible.
    The Bible for one.......... sm
    and I believe I have a responsibility to uphold its laws above and beyond upholding the right of perverts to access p*rn in the library while my child happens to see it.

    I do believe morality has flown right out the window here. I think I need a shower now after participating in this thread with you.
    Says who? Your bible, which is nothing more than
    (no pun intended, of course)
    no I don't. I believe the Bible is the sm
    literal word of God and I believe it from front to back. There is a difference between reading a book and "studying" a book.
    The Bible
    is the only recognized source of even a knowledge of God. None of us would even know God if it weren't for the Bible. You go ahead and believe that. I'm not going to be in your corner.
    look beyond your Bible, so that you can
    see what is going on in the REAL world, not in the BIBLE WORLD.
    Bible not bad book at all...
    ...and should have its basic tenets taught right alongside of those of the Qur'an and the holy books of all other major world religions. Students of any age who wish to read the Bible in my opinion should certainly be able to do so anytime they wish. Same for all other holy/religious writings. A person's education really isn't complete without a fundamental understanding of all of the religions that shape our world.

    I would however sign any petition that forces anyone to do anything in the spirit of indoctrination or exclusion, or against any requirement that implies that THIS is the one true holy book and you WILL read it even if your negligent atheist going-to-hell-parents wouldn't force you to do it at home (and we're coming for them soon too - better join us if you know what's good for you). Unfortunately that is how this kind of requirement is perceived by many people in our current political climate - including me. And unfortunately, I believe this is exactly the attitude held by those who try to force such requirements into the public schools.

    I don't think it qualifies as a "random act of kindness" - but rather as a deliberate act of religious supremacism.


    The Bible says he did not "know" her
    until after Jesus was born.  What's your point?
    If you truly have read the Bible then you know...
    God makes no distinction for sin and lumps it all together except in a very few cases where the word *abomination* is attached, and homosexuality is one of those things. So I was not comparing a homosexual and a killer...I was comparing sins. And yes, we do sin, all of us, every day, and will have to account for that some day. But calling it other than a sin does not make it so, at least in my book. I did not call homosexuality an abomination...God did. So take your argument to Him. I choose to believe what He said. I do not hate anyone, I do not treat gays any differently than anyone else as fellow human beings. I have been lied to, stolen from...I don't hate those people, but I don't condone what they did. However, I do not condone homosexuality, any more than I condone lying, stealing, murder or any other sin. You can love an individual but not approve of the sin. That is what, I believe, treating others as you would be treated means. Treat the person with dignity without condoning the behavior. I don't believe in abortions, but I do not condone blowing up abortion clinics or shooting abortion doctors. I do not believe in changing laws to accept aberrant behavior, and we seem to keep trying to go down that road. Years ago, you are right...premarital sex did go on, but it was called what it was...a sin and something that should not be done. No longer the case. Same with homosexuality...it has gone on since time immemorial. But it was called wrong. There used to be laws against it in the US. No longer the case. What next? Polygamy? Bestiality? Necromancy? You say that could never happen here. Thirty years ago your parents probably would never have thought that adultery would be celebrated as entertainment news, premarital sex celebrated on prime time TV, and gay marriage becoming law. Just be careful what you wish for. You just might get it. We have experienced a big moral decline in this country and frankly, it did not begin with conservative Americans.

    My opinion only...don't attack all conservatives for what I say. Opinions differ. That is mine.
    What does Nostradamus have to do with the bible? sm
    Besides, wasn't what Nostradamus wrote so vague that it could be interpreted to 'predict' anything and everything... or nothing at all, depending on how it was interpreted?
    Read your Bible. The

    antichrist will come from Rome or EU.  Obama as the antichrist is absurd.


    Uh, last I checked, the Bible said
    to help those less fortunate than you, NOT those who just don't want to work but just want to collect money from the government for doing nothing.


    VOTING ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE
    I AGREE.
    Like the Bible says...."many shall come in my name..."
    saying you are a Christian does not make you one.
    I don't read the bible
    And I don't want to.

    Don't get me wrong. I've read it. I decided at a pretty young age that it's a fairy tale that for the most part was written by a lot of people who weren't around when Jesus was & that didn't have all that much to do with reality. If it works for you, fine. I don't need to read in some book what the right thing to do is, & I don't assign any particular importance to Jesus. I find it irritating, condescending and naive for someone to suggest that I should "know Jesus" and have my life saved.

    It's possible to think all of the above and still be a moral person, & what makes a lot of (not all) Christians narrow-minded is their belief that this isn't so, but they unfortunately can't see this from the narrow place from which they operate. Do I believe in God? I believe in the godhead; the life force; the force that drives the green shoot up, as Dylan Thomas would say; the inferno of activity in the nucleus of every cell... Do I believe this life force manifests as a person? Sure I do. The godhead is in everyone. Jesus didn't have any more of a hotline to the godhead than any of us has. The thing that makes a lot of (not all) Christians narrow-minded is their belief that "God" only speaks "Christian." This concept is too ridiculous for words. The godhead "speaks" every religious "language." I put this into quotes because I specifically don't personify the godhead; i.e., the godhead doesn't "do" the same things that a human body does, though in this instance it's a fairly good metaphor.

    I believe that everything -- EVERYTHING -- came from the godhead. Because I'm not a Christian, I don't believe in "The devil," who is a big enough part of that religion that you really must accept the existence of the devil if you want to be Christian, & I don't think that kind of polarization is healthy, nor do I have any compulsion to externalize/personify every human impulse into a creature with horns or one that sits on a cloud or whatever. The universe creates trying, challenging scenarios of all sorts, which in the interest not just of survival but of enlightenment are our tasks to address, understand, & solve, & these would include ALL forms of religious extremism.

    The bible is a book that simply doesn't interest me. There are spiritual books that do interest me for their complexity and illumination, but I don't need to live my life by any of them, & I don't need any of them to be a moral or spiritual person.

    There are many religions much, much older than Christianity. The godhead was here long before any of it (& believe me, it was longer than 4000 years) & we as a species did not only obtain the capacity for enlightenment after the bible was written or after Jesus arrived.

    If you "love Jesus," great. Go for it. Just don't end a conversation with some smug, proselytizing last word that in the end is just a way to think you are superior.
    bible quotes
    Yes, I am fairly familiar with Old Testament, in Hebrew, but thank you. The Psalm was written by David, not by G-d. As for Jeremiah, yes G-d does know our souls, before we are even human.

    Not sure what Bible you are reading........... sm
    but the quote I posted (paraphrased) is actually attributed to Joseph Dunniger.  Correctly quoted, it reads "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation will suffice."

    Talk about needing to check one's sources! 

    I am squeezing my Bible right now
    because it is MY right to stay right here in AMERICA and squeeze my Bible ALL I WANT  WHEREVER I WANT.  I am also allowed to demand that PORN is not freely visible in public to my children.  sex is a natural way of life SURE but that doesnt mean I want my 11 year old little girl around it.  A u a MORON?  What if some guy is at the library and decides to flash his nudeness in public showing all his glory?  Is that OKAY TOO?  May as well be.  Seeing a naked person on line while walking by a computer in the library with my 11 year old is no different than seeing it in person in the library.  GET A GRIP and stop trying to take MY rights away.  I believe in Jesus and I am saved and I read the Bible and TRY to live by it and that is MY RIGHT. 
    But the bible is not the same as the constitution

    But the bible is not the same as the constitution
    Nobody is stopping you from living my biblical precepts. And nowhere have I heard of any attempt to force churches to perform marriage ceremonies (interesting word- ceremony, but I degress). But I was under the impression that one of the critical differences between the USA and almost any Middle Eastern country is that we base our laws on civil liberties rather than letting religion be our guide. There are a lot of things mentioned in the bible forbids that we routinely do- I can't tell you when I last had the sabbath off, nor can I tell you when I last got to stone a harlot. My then widowed father did not step in to marry my aunt when her husband died and zoning laws prevent me from keeping a fattened calf in the garage.

    My religious beliefs may not be in keeping with your religious beliefs, and neither one of us should be expected to live our life according to the other's.
    I don't know about the catholic Bible sm
    but have you ever really sat down and read your Bible or are you depending on a priest to interpret for you. You should sit down with your Bible and pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal his word to you.
    The Bible calls
    homosexual acts an "abomination." Look it up. It means "something to be hated." God tells us to hate that act. We obviously do not serve the same God. Mine teaches me to love all men and to hate sin such as homosexual acts. I believe you missed my point. Of course, it is possible to hate the sin and love the sinner but NOT if you are a member of the homosexual community. Once again, an opinion is not a judgement and it is a fact that homosexuality is abominable, ergo, disgusting if you worship the same God I do as I believe what He says. Of course, I have sinned. And I do not expect others to accept my sins as well and good. I don't even do that myself, so why should I accept that homosexuality is a good thing? My point is....We all sin, me included. You are not to accept my sin as good even though I may label myself as the sin I commit. You are not to hate me because of my sin but only hate my sin. People who commit homosexual acts and call themselves homosexuals would have us accept that sin because that is "who" they are not their sin. I don't think it's that difficult to understand.
    Nowhere in the Christian bible

    However, that did not limit the carnage done in the name of Christianity either.  Jews and protestant ''heretics'' and suspected heretics had some fairly unpleasant things done to them in the name of God.  Nor did it prevent the harm done to the indigenous peoples of this continent.  KKK members often cloak what they believe and do in terms of God's ''natural order.''  Nazis were mostly Lutheran and Catholic. 


    Christianity, despite its well-published ''love one another'' philosophy, has been a fairly violent religion in the past. None of these misapplications of religion speak for all of Christianity.  However, there has often been a fairly vocal Christian contingent denouncing these atrocities.


    Religion is good for good people and bad for bad people.  It can elevate the human spirit or be used to justify the most horrendous actions against others who do not share our particular vision of the almighty.  Radical Muslems are just the current bad practitioners. 


    don't you agree that the Bible itself contains a lot
    of gaps and 'mytserious', unexplained, downright illogical happenings?
    The Bible gives us stories
    about the beginning of time. It doesn't give us every story of every incident that took place or of all the things that God created. If it did, we would have a book so huge and thick we couldn't even turn the pages. Some have a tendency to believe that brothers slept with sisters to populate the earth since Adam and Eve were the only human beings on earth at that time. I tend not to think so as I believe God may have created other humans in different parts of the big world. Adam and Eve were the FIRST humans He created. There is no mention that they were the ONLY ones He created. Maybe Adam and Eve were the only ones to be recorded because they were the first. You never know and since you don't know, you can't determine that it isn't the case.
    Since when did a Bible study..........sm
    become a business meeting?

    Bible studies, in case you didn't know, are not the same as Sunday morning meetings. They are for discussion and study of the Bible, nothing more, nothing less. Collection plates are not passed and church business is not generally discussed at Bible studies. Churches do have business meetings, however, in which church business is discussed and that is normally done in the church building. Since, as you point out, churches do not pay taxes, then that would, in my estimation, eliminate them as being a business, so therefore, a Bible study is not a business or business meeting. Apart from the subject matter, it is no different than 10 or 15 good old boys getting together on a Sunday afternoon to watch the races on Bubba's big-screen TV.

    I read the article and the questions the law officer asked related specifically to a religious organization. I don't remember seeing where he asked if collections were taken during the meeting, only if they prayed, read the Bible, etc. This very much sounds to me like targeting a Christian group, nothing less. I hope the pastor asks his neighbors if they called the police because that is exactly what sounds like happened.
    The Bible is not just a collection of sm
    stories! It is the Holy, Inerrant, Infallible Word of God!
    My *teacher* has provided the Bible...
    the same Bible that says Do Unto Others is very clear about homosexuality. It is called an abomination. Not too many ways you can take that. Therefore, the twinge you feel about homosexual marriage probably was not caused by bad cheese. But, as we all know, no one but you will have to explain your decisions when you stand before Him, and no one but me will have to explain my decisions when I stand before Him.

    God bless.
    Prayer and reading the Bible
    I agree with you and if every person who calls on the name of the Lord Jehovah who sent His Son Jesus (Yeshua) votes for McCain, I believe this nation will stay a free country.  We just need to continue to read the Bible and prayer fervently to the the Lord Jesus and perhaps He will heal our land.
    Does your Bible also teach you to lie and slander
    You are misinformed about Islam and the Quran and the speech you use here is hateful. The Quran does not teach hate....people teach hate. Got it?
    The Bible speaks of all this but seeing it happen
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    Here is the Bible thumper basher again.
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    We are governed by laws not the Bible!
    In the United States of America, we are required to follow laws, not the Ten Commandments. The last time I checked, raping, killing, and stealing were against the law.

    By the way, a lot of good the Ten Commandments do keeping people from breaking laws. I would bet anything that the majority of prisoners in this country consider themselves to be Christian.
    Where does it give a specific age in the Bible? nm
    I would really like to see this scripture if you can refer me to it.
    during your extensive Bible review.....
    And your extensive knowledge on how much of a sin homosexuality part is, did you miss the part on how judging others is also a sin, and how a SIN IS A SIN in the eyes of God, no sin is more pertinent than the other?