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so you pick one miniscule part of the bible

Posted By: and use it? what about the rest of your list? on 2008-06-07
In Reply to: Bible - I'm Scared of Barack

not sure why you people are still gullible enough to believe in that ancient book anyway.


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LOL...Is this the part where I call you a bible-thumping republican? ROFL....sm
I got most of those books, by the way.  Going on vacation after today though, so it'll probably be a week before we can get into it.
Exposed: Prop. 8 part of 'Christian Taliban's' move to make Bible the law

The Protect Marriage Coalition, which led the fight to pass an anti-gay marriage initiative in California, is now suing to shield its financial records from public scrutiny.


The lawsuit claims that donors to Protect Marriage and a second group involved in the suit have received threatening phone calls and emails. It asks for existing donation lists to be removed from the California secretary of state's website and also seeks to have both plaintiffs and all similar groups be exempted in the future from ever having to file donation disclosure reports on this or any similar campaigns.


Although public access advocates believe this sweeping demand for donor anonymity has little chance of success, it does point up the secretive and even conspiratorial nature of much right-wing political activity in California.


Howard Ahmanson and Wayne C. Johnson


The man who more than any other has been associated with this kind of semi-covert activity over the past 25 years is reclusive billionaire Howard Ahmanson.


Ahmanson is a Christian Reconstructionist, a devout follower of the late R.J. Rushdoony, who advocated the replacement of the U.S. Constitution with the most extreme precepts of the Old Testament, including the execution -- preferably by stoning -- of homosexuals, adulterers, witches, blasphemers, and disobedient children.


Ahmanson himself has stated, "My goal is the total integration of biblical law into our lives."


As absurd as this Reconstructionist agenda may seem, the success of Proposition 8 demonstrates the ability of what is sometimes called the "Christian Taliban" to pursue its covert objectives behind the screen of seemingly mainstream initiatives and candidates.


Ahmanson's role in promoting Proposition 8 has drawn a lot of attention, but he appears to serve primarily as the money man, leaving his associates to carry out the practical details. One name in particular stands out as Ahmanson's chief lieutenant: political consultant Wayne C. Johnson, whose Johnson Clark Associates (formerly Johnson & Associates) coordinated the Proposition 8 campaign.


Johnson has spent many years working for Ahmanson-funded causes -- such as the battle against a 2004 initiative to promote stem cell research -- and organizations, like the anti-spending California Taxpayer Protection Committee.


Johnson Clark has also operated PACs for many candidates supported by Ahmanson. It ran Rep. John Doolittle's leadership PAC, which became notorious for sending a 15% commission to Doolittle's wife out of every donation received. It currently runs the PAC for Rep. Tom McClintock, a strong Proposition 8 supporter who was narrowly elected last fall to succeed the scandal-plagued Doolittle.
Proposition 8


The series of events leading to the approval of Proposition 8 began in 2000 with the passage of Proposition 22, which defined marriage in California as being solely between one man and one woman -- but did so only as a matter of law and not as a constitutional amendment.


Proposition 22 was quickly challenged in court, leading to the creation by its supporters of the the Proposition 22 Legal Defense Fund. In 2003, Johnson Clark Associates registered the domain ProtectMarriage.com on behalf of that fund.


ProtectMarriage.com began campaigning in early 2005 for an initiative that would add its restrictive definition of marriage to the California constitution, but it failed to gather sufficient signatures and was terminated in September 2006.


In 2008, however, a reborn ProtectMarriage.com, flush with nearly a million dollars in funding from Howard Ahmanson and tens of millions from other doners, succeeding in getting Proposition 8 placed on the ballot and approved by 52% of the voters.


Proposition 8 is now California law -- at least for the moment, pending challenges to its constitutionality -- and ProtectMarriage.com has turned its attention to demanding that all 18,000 existing same-sex marriages be declared invalid.
The Ahmanson-Johnson Strategy


The partnership between Ahmanson and Johnson, however, did not begin in 2003 or even in 2000. It goes back to at least 1983, if not earlier, and has been a continuing factor in California politics for the last 25 years.


In a 1994 article on Christian Reconstructionism, Public Eye described Johnson's central role in an Ahmanson-financed attempt by the Christian Right to take control of the California state legislation. The strategy involved first pushing through a term limits initiative, which was accomplished in 1990, and then promoting its own candidates for the seats this opened up:


"The practical impact of term limits is to remove the advantage of incumbency ... which the extreme Christian Right is prepared to exploit. ... At a Reconstructionist conference in 1983, Johnson outlined an early version of the strategy we see operating in California today. ... The key for the Christian Right was to be able to: 1) remove or minimize the advantage of incumbency, and 2) create a disciplined voting bloc from which to run candidates in Republican primaries, where voter turn out was low and scarce resources could be put to maximum effect. ...


"Since the mid-1970s, the extreme Christian Right, under the tutelage of then-State Senator H. L Richardson, targeted open seats and would finance only challengers, not incumbents. By 1983, they were able to increase the number of what Johnson called 'reasonably decent guys' in the legislature from four to 27. At the Third Annual Northwest Conference for Reconstruction in 1983, Johnson stated that he believed they may achieve 'political hegemony. . .in this generation.'"


The mention of H. L. "Bill" Richardson as the originator of the Johnson-Ahmanson strategy is both eye-catching and significant. Richardson, a former John Birch Society member, was considered to be one of the most extreme right-wing politicians of his time. In 1975, he co-founded Gun Owners of America (GOA), an organization which is widely regarded as being well to the right of the National Rife Association.


Wayne Johnson began his political career in 1976 by working for Richardson -- and Johnson Clark Associates still operates a PAC for GOA's state affiliate, the Gun Owners of California Campaign Committee.


In 1992, Johnson and Ahmanson managed to help send a batch of conservative Republicans to Congress. Foremost among these was Richard Pombo, one of whose first acts after taking office was to introduce a resolution of commendation for the Reconstructionist Chalcedon Foundation.


In 2004, Johnson told an interviewer that Pombo's election was a high point of his political career. "There have been a lot of great moments, but Richard Pombo's 1992 upset victory in his first congressional primary has got to be near the top. The television stations didn't even have his name listed on their pre-programmed screens election night. Today, he's chairman of the House Resources Committee."


Two years after Johnson's enthusiastic declaration, Pombo was defeated by a Democratic challenger, following wide-ranging allegation of corruption, including being named as the Congressman who had received more donations from Jack Abramoff than any other.
The Anti-Homosexual Agenda


Although the Christian Right never achieved its original goal of taking over California state government -- which may be why Ahmanson and Johnson have turned their attention to passing socially conservative initiatives instead -- it has been far more successful in establishing dominance over that state's Republican Party.


In 1998, Mother Jones reported:


"First they packed the then-moderate California Republican Assembly (CRA), a mainstream caucus with a heavy hand in the state party's nominating process, with their Bible-minded colleagues. By 1990 they controlled the CRA, and since then the CRA's clout has helped the religious conservatives nominate and elect local candidates and—crucially—catapult true believers into state party leadership slots. ...


"From radical fringe to kingmakers in a decade — how did they do it? 'Basically, there's two places you have influence: one is in the nominating process in the primaries, where you can elect people in ideological agreement with your views, and the other is in the party structure,' says former CRA vice president John Stoos, a former gun lobbyist, member of the fundamentalist Christian Reconstructionist movement, and senior consultant to the State Assembly."


Stoos appears to come out of precisely the same background as Johnson and Ahmanson. He served as the executive director of Gun Owners of California and was also the chief of staff and a legislative advisor to Tom McClintock from 1998 until 2003, when he got into trouble for his over-the-top Reconstructionist sentiments.


In the Mother Jones interview, Stoos referred to Christian politicians as God's "vice-regents ... those who believe in the Lordship of Christ and the dominion mandate" and pointed to the repeal in the 1970's of laws against homosexual acts as an example of the need for rule by "biblical justice."


"The proof is in the pudding," Stoos told Mother Jones. "Since we lifted those laws, we've had the biggest epidemic in history."


To many who voted for it, Proposition 8 may have been no more than a nostalgic attempt to keep a changing world more like the way it used to be. But for Reconstructionists like Ahmanson, Johnson, and Stoos, it clearly represents something else -- a dramatic first step towards "the total integration of biblical law into our lives."


only part saved was the ignorant part
You can read the whole article.  This quote was saved to show what she said that was so stupid.
Who to pick?

I truly do not like either McCain or Obama.  I don't want to NOT vote.  I don't want to stay in the same course we are in.....which counts McCain out.  But I don't want to vote for change just for the sake of change.  If it were a change I could believe in and have faith....okay....but I don't and so that counts Obama out.  So now what?


VP pick
I don't know anything about her really, but I was just telling my husband last night that the only way McCain is going to be able to keep this race competitive at all would be to pick a pro-life woman. I didn't think he would really and my husband couldn't think of any (and he's a repub). As a Democrat I of course would have loved it if McCain would have picked Lieberman to demoralize the base or Huckabee to demoralize the independents, but ah well. It's a smart pick, I have to say.
I'd pick you to mod if I had the say
just to prove that it wouldn't matter who was moderating to me.  I'm confident in my party, how 'bout you?
Take your pick from above.........
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where is my pick my up?
I pay and pay and I never get any pick me up. Since you would much rather pay for it, go ahead, pay for it. Don't ask me to pay, though, because I would much rather not. I think I paid enuff all ready.
Don't we pick and choose

Don't we pick which Bible adages we follow?  The Bible also says turn the other cheek, love thy neighbor as thyself, do unto others....yet many Christians in various venues (including these boards) chide others for being advocates of peace, tolerance and love for all citizens of the world. 


The Bible has contradictions, it was written by men, after all and seems incredibly subject to interpretation.


He should pick Hillary
They are two peas in a pod. It was evidenced by his speech tonight he thinks she such a great person. I could just feel the love he has for her. Seriously...they voted alike on almost everything. I think his speach tonight was more of him trying to pull her votes away from Barack to vote for him.
that should be "who" is your pick... duh (nm)
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Well said. If we could only pick and choose who to help..
someone as yourself would be on top of my list!
You know, at this point he could pick

Jesus Christ to be in his cabinet and you people would find some something to b**ch about that, too.  Good grief!!


You can't pick and choose WHEN you
want majority rule to count. The people have spoken, they don't want it, try again next time.
He wasn't my first pick....(sm)

However, we are now at a point where time is the word of the day.  Here's my problem with the situation.  If he's so terrible, why are they voting him in?  That applies to dems and pubs, as both sides have expressed concern.  So, we know they're going to vote him in, so what's the point in all the delays?  I think at this point it's just political grandstanding by the pubs.  They did the same thing with Hillary.  The guy that held that one up actually voted for her, and said he was going to vote for her, but still delayed the process. 


For that matter, check out the attorney general position.  What's the problem with Holder?  On this one the pubs want to *question* him more about torture.  Exactly what do the pubs want to hear?  Maybe *torture is wrong, but we won't prosecute?*  More pollitical grandstanding.


May we pick which finger??
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I'll pick one...LOL...(sm)

You said:  "What about the voters of CA voting against gay marriage and now it's supposedly going to the Supreme Court? That's ridiculous. Since when is the Supreme Court allowed to overturn the voter's wishes? "


My question to you would be when was the last time it was okay for individual rights to be taken away with a popular vote?  Individual rights are guaranteed by the constitution (which discourages discrimination), not subject to the vote of the day.  That is why it needs to go to the supreme court.  Do you think it would be okay to all of the sudden pop up and have a vote in 2009 on whether or not women can vote when we already have that right?  On top of that, the state supreme court has now ruled that prop 8 stands, so at this point LGBTs cannot get married.  However, (and here comes the double standard), LGBTs who are already married can stay married?  What kind of reasoning is that?  As far as I'm concerned, this is a textbook case of discrimination.


a pick-me-up for Congress???
you're kidding right?? Pick them up from what? all the hard work they have been doing finding new ways to spend our money??
It isn't fair to pick out a few bad apples...
...and characterize a whole group based on them. And you're also right about Conservatives (loosely put) not always agreeing with one another, especially these days. Seems dissent among the ranks is breaking wide open.

But regardless of degree of badness of the apples in general - any group as a whole who supports Bush remains suspect as a whole because there is simply no reason left for an intelligent person to do so. Most who still do, do so because they aren't aware of the facts and aren't very good judges of character. Just my opinion, but I stand by it, and see more proof of it every day.
No, but I do hear him saying "don't pick
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Okay Republicans, you is YOUR pick for McCain VP?
I'm not looking to start either a we-love-McCain or we-hate-McCain thread (same for Obama), just curious to hear from the Republicans here who they would like to see McCain pick.  It sounds like he may announce Friday.
Dems are also ecstatic over this pick.
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No. It was sexist of him to pick a token fm
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anyone else insulted over the Palin pick?
As an American woman I am insulted over the cynical pick of Sarah Palin as the Republican VP. She has a vaginia and everything I believe is supposed to suddenly escape my female pee sized brain?! I am suppose to want to vote Republican because they pick a woman? This proves the Republicans are insane.



Sarah Palin is against abortion and does not believe in birth control.


Sarah does not believe in evolution and thinks all schools should teach creationism.


She doesn't have an opinion on the Iraq war.


She is a pro gun person.


She doesn't believe in global warming.


She oppose gay marriage.


She is against putting polar bears on the endangered species list.


She is an advocate strongly for drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.


Her husband works for BP (British Petroleum) and she pushed for another pipeline to be built in Alaska.


At the age of 45, since she does not believe in birth control, had another baby and he has down syndrome. This seems to me to be pretty poor judgement on her part.


She says she has family values, she is a Governor and her husband works on the North Shore full time, who raises the Palin kids?
Palin has her sisters ex husband fired from the Alaska State Patrol.

Can anyone say abuse of power?
Palin was a Mayor of a 9,000 person town and has been Governor for only 20 months.


She voted for pat Buchanan over George Bush in 2000. If you think Bush is bad Buchanan is even worse.


She stated on 7/30/2008 she does not know what the VP does every day.


Gos is named her kids Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper and Trig.


The major newspapers in Alaska do not think she should be the VP pick.


Her mother-in-law said she is voting for Obama.



So America, is this this a responsible pick from a 72 year old man who has had repeated bouts of cancer? Do you want Palin running our country? Does being a lucky beauty queen now give people the credentials to be the VP?
Look....if liberals can pick and choose...
statements of what someone said once and once they say now...so can conservatives. You can't have it both ways.
Yep, as long as none of us pick up a phone or
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Whether you agree or disagree with this pick...

Maybe we should all check the facts before judging this guy.  Actions speak much louder than words.  Below are 2 sites, The first is a list of bills he sponsored.  The other is his voting record. 


http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400120&tab=bills


http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=33530


Kissinger seems to think she's a good pick (sm)
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-11-16-voa17.cfm
we pick up new accounts all the time...
like I said, the cpl pay is low comparatively, but I do alright. By the way, I certainly didn't mean to offend you!
Are we going to pick on his toileting habits next?
How petty.
Take your pick--World Net Daily or
Sad, just sad.
Excuse me but what do you mean by pick and choose?
Obama has NO right to 'pick and choose.' He cannot interfere in Iran's sovereignty and internal affairs only with the justification that he supports and defends democracy. I wished he could! But he cannot, this would have been a grave mistake, a bigger mistake than Iraq.

The Iranian government's reaction would have been to tell Obama 'Mind your own business.'
You would pick a fight with anyone, wouldnt you?
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That's not necessarily true. You've been able to pick up the slack sm
for them very nicely if I may say so myself.
This does not cost anything. Just pick a card and a message...sm
Or even type your own message and Xerox handles the mailing. This is neat.
Pick McCain's VP running mate!

MSNBC has a "Veepstakes" where you get to make picks on who McCain will pick for VP, and that's kind of fun.  I have no idea who he will pick, but here are some names that are bounced around:


Bobby Jindal (I think too young at 36, but religious right seems to like him, which is more than I can say for McCain, so maybe that would help him there).


Charlie Crist (McCain totally owes him for helping him boost to front runner affter Florida, but he's kind of liberal for base's tastes).


Mitt Romney (the favorite in the "Veepstakes."  Would help McCain in some places like Michigan, could hurt in deep south).


Mike Huckabee (may help in the south, but I can't see any other benefit).


Who is Palin's pick for running mate again?

Be careful what you wish for -


there are so many scenarios how this could play out.  I think republicans (the men) need to watch their backs with this person.  they are infatuated right now but this person after all is a self-described pitbull (with lipstick).


I heard someone call this play by the republicans a 'hail mary' like in football, but no matter which party you side with, it was very worrisome watching that little baby be passed around like a football throughout the convention last night...it almost made me sick.


All this proves is that liberals pick and choose...
freedom of religion? Like ANY of you ascribe to that? Lemme seee----go back to your church. Ummm...bible-thumpin gun moll...I would have to search, but you get my drift. Yes, i know what choice is. Me, and some like me, also believe the infant should have a choice, but you certainly jumped right in and circumvented that one didn't you?
No big surprise here....you pick and choose the facts you want...sm
to read and hear. I'm tired of trying to educate you.



Meanwhile, Barry Obama can do no wrong, and the facts are spun in the media to his direction, making him look like the poster boy for "poor me" they're trying to "smear me" ....

No matter that it is all TRUE!!!!!


Well, boo hoo.

Barry worked for ACORN, was and is, friends with terrorists and racists and liberal democratic former CEOs of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, people who hate this country and all it stands for are his so called "friends" that he has thrown under the bus.


Watch, if he wins, they'll all pop out of the woodwork again.


That man lies and rewrites his life story, and you all believe him.


That old saying that goes: Show me a person's friends and those he surrounds himself with, and it will show you who he is.


Well, I certainly don't like and trust what and who Barry Obama.



Gee, how come there is NO ONE from Barry's former or current life, that are friends that can stand up for his character?




The street is always one-way for the democrats, the biggest spin doctors around.



I'll take SP over O any day.


Well why doesn't he put his money where his mouth is. Pick a...
neighborhood, any neighborhood. With the next check he gets for being a senator (and yeah, we are still paying him, and he hasn't darked the doors of the senate maybe 2-3 times since he starting running for Prez...), he should cash it, then go divvy it up with all the folks in the neighborhood. Just share that wealth, Barack. Lead by example.
You can't spell or pick a winner; it's torture, not tortue
Keep chomping those sour grapes.
Notice how I did't hand-pick text to prove a point.
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You're still eating aren't you? Lets pick this back
Or maybe you know enoug folks that will be getting the free handouts and can live off of them, like I see going on around my town already.
Bible
I don't believe I ever stated that the bible supports abortion, if i did, that was a typo. I said that Christ did not teach on homosexuality, yet Christians can be quick to judge homosexuals.

I do not believe that the bible says one way or another, though abortion has been practiced for 1000s of years by midwives through the use of herbs.

As far as my belief in the bible, I don't believe every written word in the bible is the ispired word of God. It has been translated (and changed) by humans through the years to suit their needs. For many years, only the wealthy could read (and women generally were not allowed to), so the scriptures have been misinterpreted (in my opinion) often. I have studied Latin to try to gain some meaning from more ancient texts, but I truly believe that much of the bible is a praise work (as in the psalms) and historical, but not 100% the word of God.




Bible







































• The Antichrist comes after a falling away or apostasy. (2 Thessalonians 2:3)
     - At times forbids marriage (1 Timothy 4:3)
     - At times commands not to eat certain foods that God says are ok to eat. (1 Timothy 4:3-5)
     - Has other teachings that are devilish (1 Timothy 4:1; Acts 8:20; 1 John 3:8, 4)
• The Antichrist is revealed before the second coming of Jesus. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3)
• The Antichrist has a visible leader. (Acts 20:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Daniel 7:8)
• The Antichrist comes from within the church. (Acts 20:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:4)
• and then takes up residence in the church (2 Thessalonians 2:4)
• The Antichrist rules for a long period of time. (Revelation 13:5, 12:6, 12:14; Daniel 7:25)
• The Antichrist receives its power from the Devil. (Revelation 13:2; Revelation 12:9)
• The Antichrist blasphemes God. (Revelation 13:5-6; Daniel 7:8,20,25)
• The Antichrist tries to change God's law. (Daniel 7:25)
• The Antichrist persecutes the people who keep God's law. (Revelation 13:2, 12:17, 14:12; Daniel 7:21)
• The persecution diminishes prior to the end of the Antichrist's rule. (Matthew 24:22)
• The Antichrist's long rule comes to an end. (Revelation 13:3)
• The Antichrist again regains power and prestige. (Revelation 13:3)
• The Antichrist deceives people around the world into worshipping it. (Revelation 13:3)
• Another forces people to worship the Antichrist. (Revelation 13:11-12)
• Miracles are used to deceive people into worshipping the Antichrist. (Revelation 13:13-14)
• Some resist the authority of the Antichrist so economic sanctions are then used. (Revelation 13:16)
• Some people still resist and a death decree is brought against them. (Revelation 13:15)
• The Antichrist has a mark of authority that must be avoided at all costs. (Revelation 13:16-17, 14:9-10)

"I think everyone had better get out their Bible
AIN'T IT THE TRUTH????
where in the bible does it say
abortion is wrong? Don't give me the murder crap, where does it actually say ABORTION is wrong? Abortion has been going on since the beginning of time and I am pretty sure there was plenty of it going on in biblical times, yet I don't recall seeing it mentioned ANYWHERE in the bible.
The Bible for one.......... sm
and I believe I have a responsibility to uphold its laws above and beyond upholding the right of perverts to access p*rn in the library while my child happens to see it.

I do believe morality has flown right out the window here. I think I need a shower now after participating in this thread with you.
Says who? Your bible, which is nothing more than
(no pun intended, of course)
no I don't. I believe the Bible is the sm
literal word of God and I believe it from front to back. There is a difference between reading a book and "studying" a book.
The Bible
is the only recognized source of even a knowledge of God. None of us would even know God if it weren't for the Bible. You go ahead and believe that. I'm not going to be in your corner.