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Does your Bible also teach you to lie and slander

Posted By: other people of faith? sm on 2008-10-10
In Reply to: I am not radical because I am a Christian.... - sm

You are misinformed about Islam and the Quran and the speech you use here is hateful. The Quran does not teach hate....people teach hate. Got it?


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BTW, I have two sons, but I did teach them about sex
And knowing how teens hormones control them, I realized something could happen, regardless of my value system. But my husband and I did give them all the information they needed, so your argument there does not hold. My son's are now married, no children, and have good careers. At this point in their lives, they reflect our values, whether or not they strayed from them as teens. They came home and are productive, stable citizens who do not look to the govt to solve their problems. When they make a mistake, such as my youngest who has gotten into a lot of debt, they own up to it and learn from it because they were taught there are consequences for every decision, whether good or bad.

Since I have only boys, I wanted to add, I have many conservative friends who have gotten their teen daughters BC, so you're flat wrong. Again, conservatives do not want anymore govt control over their lives. They want to make their own decisions, pay for their own mistakes, and would like others to do the same.

We have had enough years to observe the product of those who have been turned over to the govt to instruct. No thanks.
I would prefer to teach my

child about it and explain to them that even though this lifestyle is not acceptable, they are people too and we should not treat them poorly.  If parents don't teach their children and they bully gay people, dorks, dweebs, smelly kids, etc........the school has every right to punish them for acting that way whether it be writing sentences over and over, calling the parents, etc.  You do not have to single out homosexuality and teach this to children as an example of tolerance. 


Besides, I said below that on the news they keep talking about how same sex marriage is more accepted by people.....particularly younger people and yet here you are saying that this should be taught in schools because younger people aren't tolerant?   So which is it?


Maybe Putin can teach her some judo
like he is going to for Sarkozy. Then she can give them a quick karate chop if they are mean to her. Kapow!
You can teach acceptance of people

different than you without talking about homosexuality.  I find that story of the penguins to read to 5 year old children particularly upsetting. 


If you can't pray in school and share the word of God in schools.....find another way to teach tolerance without bringing the gay issue into it. 


Like I said before, how hard is it to tell kids that we should all be kind to each other because we are all different and that is what makes us all special.  What else is there to be said?  Treat others as you would have them treat you.  It is pretty easy to say it and kids get it.


He didn't teach us to be doormats either!
As a Christian, it is as much our responsibility to speak out against homosexuality as the homosexuals believe it is their right to be allowed to married and now have it pushed down the throats of our children in public school!

No way! Being Christian does not mean you let others run all over you either....

You teach your children right from wrong....

because you LOVE them.  A Christian who tries to help a person overcome alcoholism, drug addictions or whatever, they do this because they have love for this person as a child of God and as a brother or sister in the eyes of the Lord and they want to HELP them overcome whatever is burdening them to help them be right with the Lord and it is ALL IN LOVE, which is how it should be. 


If what you are saying is true and you seriously are concerned about homosexuality on a Christianity level, then take your Bible and WITNESS to people about it.  SHOW them where you find it wrong and explain to them that God loves them anyway and YOU love them anyway, but that you just want to make sure that they see the right path to God. 


Coming at it from an angle that it is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and you will NOT tolerate it and such is that, how is that helping anything?  How are you being a supportive Christian and making yourself a person that others would want to model after and look up to?  How about telling them that despite their sins that God loves them anyway.  If you believe it is a sin, according to the Bible, do you also believe that God still loves them, according to the Bible?  God does hate the sin, he doesn't hate the person. 


We need teachers who teach the facts...(sm)
not their personal opinions.  He did not show Obama's inauguration (I would think an essential for a history class -- regardless of who won), and he seems to like to compare Obama to Hitler.  That's not a history class....that's a right fringe recruitment tool.
Actually ANY slander is despicable, also in our
daily life.

and let's NOT forget personal slander
You all have directly slandered MT, and it shouldn't be tolerated in any form.

I'll hand your bog back to you and step aside.


Declawed here, but your sophmoric slander
#
Another rightwing slander group. Is that all you got? nm
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Another leftwing slander group. Is that all you got?- sm
You have no proof whatsoever to back any of this up.

This is about as good as when they said she banned books from the library and one of those books was Harry Potter. What the leftwing forgot to remember was Harry Potter hadn't even been written yet when they said she banned it.

The leftwingers are in a frenzy to try and trash McCain & Palin because it's not looking to great for Obama and Biden. If Obama and Biden were so great and "everyone" wanted him as president he would be soaring ahead in the polls. But he's not. He's neck and neck and depending on which poll you read he's either ahead or behind by just a few points.
It is not slander. It is freedom of speech

Generally speaking, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory (non-fixed) representation, usually an oral (spoken) representation.Typically, the elements of a cause of action for defamation include:



  1. A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
  2. The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
  3. If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
  4. Damage to the plaintiff.

A defense recognized in most jurisdictions is "opinion". If the person makes a statement of opinion as opposed to fact, the statement may not support a cause of action for defamation. Whether a statement is viewed as an expression of fact or opinion can depend upon context - that is, whether or not the person making the statement would be perceived by the community as being in a position to know whether or not it is true


Example:  A defense similar to opinion is "fair comment on a matter of public interest". If the mayor of a town is involved in a corruption scandal, expressing the opinion that you believe the allegations are true is not likely to support a cause of action for defamation.


Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice". In translation, that means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. For example, Ariel Sharon sued Time Magazine over allegations of his conduct relating to the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Although the jury concluded that the Time story included false allegations, they found that Time had not acted with "actual malice" and did not award any damages.


I.E., what the poster stated was freedom of speech, not slander, libel or defamation of character. It is a known fact that O hung around with not-so-nice people until he ran for President. Is that slander? Nope.


The poster was giving an opinion. That is freedom of speech. If it was slander, O would have be having a lot of lawsuits on his hands towards all the people who have ever stated anything against him, which would probably be around 250,000,000....including me...out of 300,000,000 people living in the USA.


She could teach a class on it solely based on what she learned
from CONS here.  You people provide a wealth of knowledge.
Speak patiently, answer their questions, teach nm

Clowns who teach middle schoolers sex education!
I wonder when the ACLU will get involved....Isn't teaching waiting until marriage to have sex a religious viewpoint and what's it doing in public schools?

Video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvCvw...erallyi-CLOWNS

As clownish as Dye’s words may sound to you, they are unfortunately not rare ones for young people to hear in classrooms all over the country. Thanks to George W. Bush and a complicit Congress, we currently spend $1.5 billion a year to fund abstinence-only until marriage sex education in our public schools. And yes, that money goes to people like Derek Dye, as he is employed by the Elizabeth New Life Center that received a $800,000 CBAE grant in 2007 to promote abstinence until marriage. His qualifications? A “Bachelor of Fun Arts” from Barnum Bailey Clown College, and an abstinence educator certification that can be purchased for $50.

So… what’s wrong with abstinence-only until marriage sex education? Abstinence-only programs censor information about contraception and condoms; make moral judgments students may not share; stigmatize and shame students who have already had sex; and discriminate against GLBTQ students who can’t legally marry. These programs often encourage stereotypical gender roles, use scare tactics, blur religion and science, and contain factual errors, like saying that HIV can be spread through sweat and tears.

And using condoms is like juggling machetes…

What’s more, abstinence-only programs don’t work – independent study after study has shown that students who receive them don’t have lower pregnancy, HIV, or STI rates. And worse, students who receive abstinence-only programs are less likely to use contraception and condoms when they do have sex.

Then again, as one colleague told me today, nothing wants to make her have sex less than a clown… so maybe they’re on to something.

So… what can we do to make sure that abstinence-only programs like this one are not funded with our tax dollars? First of all, contact the Obama transition team to make sure that they ZERO OUT these programs in their first budget. Also, ending abstinence-only funding is currently 3rd place on Change.gov's user rankings, so you can go there and vote for it, too.

Secondly, we must contact all of our representatives to let them know that we do not want this waste of money being snuck back into the budget through the appropriations process. Send them that message here.

For those of you living in Ohio, call or email your Ohio State Senator today and urge them to co-sponsor the Act For Our Children’s Future, a bill to establish standards for comprehensive sexual health education in Ohio’s public schools.

LET’S SEND OUT THE CLOWNS!!!

Agreed. Teach no bullying or violence, period.
"Lifestyle acceptance" doesn't have to come into it at all. I don't have to accept anyone's lifestyle in order to learn that bullying and violence are not acceptable ways of expressing my disagreement with them.

You see, there's a conflation between the principle of "nonviolence" and "acceptance of lifestyles" going on here, and it's very, very calculated and it's very, very deliberate.

In fact, "acceptance" is really an inadequate basis for nonviolence - if you stop for a moment to think about it - because I am obliged to be nonviolent toward people whose lifestyles not even you would suggest that that I (or my children) should EVER "accept".

Opine away, but when spreading vicious slander,
nm
Presenting 2 sides to a story is not slander.
Returning insults lobbed in the absence of substance when faced with uncontestable fact is hardly defamatory. Show some respect and engage in the points of debate and you just might get the same in return. If not, response in kind will hardly be basis for removing me from the board. You should know very well by now just how hot things can get around the kitchen tables in Palestine.
because slander is the 1st stage of violence and abuse...sm
the next step is physical abuse, the next is murder.

As it happens so often.


Drew the sophomoric slander straight from you....your own words....
nm
if you accept and confuse slander as freedom of speech
I would not like to socialize with you.
I was talking about the slander that is going on on this board! Wake up, Patty!..nm
nm
Just teach "no bullying" PERIOD and leave the lifestyle crap out of it.
I'm sorry, but you're very naive about what these children are actually being taught - i.e., that one family is "just like another" (there's a cute little song they sing about this), etc.

You want to teach kids not to be physically violent toward any other kids - fine. You go beyond that and start preaching the gospel of lifestyle equivalency and you're wandering off into the parents' domain.

Oh, yeah - I almost forgot. Get back to T E A C H I N G!!
Not tolerant of people who mislead and slander, invent fiction and then say it's true.

freedom of speech excludes and stops at slander and foul language...sm
You are slandering the President of the United States out of ignorance, shame on you!

Where is this written in the Constitution that it is allowed to grossly insult the President?

Even if I disagree with the decisions of the President, I would NEVER slander him.

I am an independent, not a liberal, and I never slandered Bush, although I very much disagreed with him.

Therefore there are presidential elections set every 4 years, when we can elect another President, but we are disrespecting ourselves by slandering the President the majority of the population voted.

And you are calling yourselves
American citizens?

What a hypocrisy.

You are insulting the incumbent President of the United States of America and it is not even PROVEN that he made mistakes up until now. That you disagree with him, does not make it a mistakes from O's side. Or do you want to say that you are better qualified to be the President of the United States?

Can you all look into the future, like Nostradamus?


Bible
I don't believe I ever stated that the bible supports abortion, if i did, that was a typo. I said that Christ did not teach on homosexuality, yet Christians can be quick to judge homosexuals.

I do not believe that the bible says one way or another, though abortion has been practiced for 1000s of years by midwives through the use of herbs.

As far as my belief in the bible, I don't believe every written word in the bible is the ispired word of God. It has been translated (and changed) by humans through the years to suit their needs. For many years, only the wealthy could read (and women generally were not allowed to), so the scriptures have been misinterpreted (in my opinion) often. I have studied Latin to try to gain some meaning from more ancient texts, but I truly believe that much of the bible is a praise work (as in the psalms) and historical, but not 100% the word of God.




Bible







































• The Antichrist comes after a falling away or apostasy. (2 Thessalonians 2:3)
     - At times forbids marriage (1 Timothy 4:3)
     - At times commands not to eat certain foods that God says are ok to eat. (1 Timothy 4:3-5)
     - Has other teachings that are devilish (1 Timothy 4:1; Acts 8:20; 1 John 3:8, 4)
• The Antichrist is revealed before the second coming of Jesus. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3)
• The Antichrist has a visible leader. (Acts 20:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Daniel 7:8)
• The Antichrist comes from within the church. (Acts 20:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:4)
• and then takes up residence in the church (2 Thessalonians 2:4)
• The Antichrist rules for a long period of time. (Revelation 13:5, 12:6, 12:14; Daniel 7:25)
• The Antichrist receives its power from the Devil. (Revelation 13:2; Revelation 12:9)
The Antichrist blasphemes God. (Revelation 13:5-6; Daniel 7:8,20,25)
• The Antichrist tries to change God's law. (Daniel 7:25)
• The Antichrist persecutes the people who keep God's law. (Revelation 13:2, 12:17, 14:12; Daniel 7:21)
• The persecution diminishes prior to the end of the Antichrist's rule. (Matthew 24:22)
• The Antichrist's long rule comes to an end. (Revelation 13:3)
• The Antichrist again regains power and prestige. (Revelation 13:3)
• The Antichrist deceives people around the world into worshipping it. (Revelation 13:3)
• Another forces people to worship the Antichrist. (Revelation 13:11-12)
• Miracles are used to deceive people into worshipping the Antichrist. (Revelation 13:13-14)
• Some resist the authority of the Antichrist so economic sanctions are then used. (Revelation 13:16)
• Some people still resist and a death decree is brought against them. (Revelation 13:15)
• The Antichrist has a mark of authority that must be avoided at all costs. (Revelation 13:16-17, 14:9-10)

"I think everyone had better get out their Bible
AIN'T IT THE TRUTH????
where in the bible does it say
abortion is wrong? Don't give me the murder crap, where does it actually say ABORTION is wrong? Abortion has been going on since the beginning of time and I am pretty sure there was plenty of it going on in biblical times, yet I don't recall seeing it mentioned ANYWHERE in the bible.
The Bible for one.......... sm
and I believe I have a responsibility to uphold its laws above and beyond upholding the right of perverts to access p*rn in the library while my child happens to see it.

I do believe morality has flown right out the window here. I think I need a shower now after participating in this thread with you.
Says who? Your bible, which is nothing more than
(no pun intended, of course)
no I don't. I believe the Bible is the sm
literal word of God and I believe it from front to back. There is a difference between reading a book and "studying" a book.
The Bible
is the only recognized source of even a knowledge of God. None of us would even know God if it weren't for the Bible. You go ahead and believe that. I'm not going to be in your corner.
look beyond your Bible, so that you can
see what is going on in the REAL world, not in the BIBLE WORLD.
Bible not bad book at all...
...and should have its basic tenets taught right alongside of those of the Qur'an and the holy books of all other major world religions. Students of any age who wish to read the Bible in my opinion should certainly be able to do so anytime they wish. Same for all other holy/religious writings. A person's education really isn't complete without a fundamental understanding of all of the religions that shape our world.

I would however sign any petition that forces anyone to do anything in the spirit of indoctrination or exclusion, or against any requirement that implies that THIS is the one true holy book and you WILL read it even if your negligent atheist going-to-hell-parents wouldn't force you to do it at home (and we're coming for them soon too - better join us if you know what's good for you). Unfortunately that is how this kind of requirement is perceived by many people in our current political climate - including me. And unfortunately, I believe this is exactly the attitude held by those who try to force such requirements into the public schools.

I don't think it qualifies as a "random act of kindness" - but rather as a deliberate act of religious supremacism.


The Bible says he did not "know" her
until after Jesus was born.  What's your point?
If you truly have read the Bible then you know...
God makes no distinction for sin and lumps it all together except in a very few cases where the word *abomination* is attached, and homosexuality is one of those things. So I was not comparing a homosexual and a killer...I was comparing sins. And yes, we do sin, all of us, every day, and will have to account for that some day. But calling it other than a sin does not make it so, at least in my book. I did not call homosexuality an abomination...God did. So take your argument to Him. I choose to believe what He said. I do not hate anyone, I do not treat gays any differently than anyone else as fellow human beings. I have been lied to, stolen from...I don't hate those people, but I don't condone what they did. However, I do not condone homosexuality, any more than I condone lying, stealing, murder or any other sin. You can love an individual but not approve of the sin. That is what, I believe, treating others as you would be treated means. Treat the person with dignity without condoning the behavior. I don't believe in abortions, but I do not condone blowing up abortion clinics or shooting abortion doctors. I do not believe in changing laws to accept aberrant behavior, and we seem to keep trying to go down that road. Years ago, you are right...premarital sex did go on, but it was called what it was...a sin and something that should not be done. No longer the case. Same with homosexuality...it has gone on since time immemorial. But it was called wrong. There used to be laws against it in the US. No longer the case. What next? Polygamy? Bestiality? Necromancy? You say that could never happen here. Thirty years ago your parents probably would never have thought that adultery would be celebrated as entertainment news, premarital sex celebrated on prime time TV, and gay marriage becoming law. Just be careful what you wish for. You just might get it. We have experienced a big moral decline in this country and frankly, it did not begin with conservative Americans.

My opinion only...don't attack all conservatives for what I say. Opinions differ. That is mine.
What does Nostradamus have to do with the bible? sm
Besides, wasn't what Nostradamus wrote so vague that it could be interpreted to 'predict' anything and everything... or nothing at all, depending on how it was interpreted?
Read your Bible. The

antichrist will come from Rome or EU.  Obama as the antichrist is absurd.


Uh, last I checked, the Bible said
to help those less fortunate than you, NOT those who just don't want to work but just want to collect money from the government for doing nothing.


VOTING ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE
I AGREE.
Like the Bible says...."many shall come in my name..."
saying you are a Christian does not make you one.
I don't read the bible
And I don't want to.

Don't get me wrong. I've read it. I decided at a pretty young age that it's a fairy tale that for the most part was written by a lot of people who weren't around when Jesus was & that didn't have all that much to do with reality. If it works for you, fine. I don't need to read in some book what the right thing to do is, & I don't assign any particular importance to Jesus. I find it irritating, condescending and naive for someone to suggest that I should "know Jesus" and have my life saved.

It's possible to think all of the above and still be a moral person, & what makes a lot of (not all) Christians narrow-minded is their belief that this isn't so, but they unfortunately can't see this from the narrow place from which they operate. Do I believe in God? I believe in the godhead; the life force; the force that drives the green shoot up, as Dylan Thomas would say; the inferno of activity in the nucleus of every cell... Do I believe this life force manifests as a person? Sure I do. The godhead is in everyone. Jesus didn't have any more of a hotline to the godhead than any of us has. The thing that makes a lot of (not all) Christians narrow-minded is their belief that "God" only speaks "Christian." This concept is too ridiculous for words. The godhead "speaks" every religious "language." I put this into quotes because I specifically don't personify the godhead; i.e., the godhead doesn't "do" the same things that a human body does, though in this instance it's a fairly good metaphor.

I believe that everything -- EVERYTHING -- came from the godhead. Because I'm not a Christian, I don't believe in "The devil," who is a big enough part of that religion that you really must accept the existence of the devil if you want to be Christian, & I don't think that kind of polarization is healthy, nor do I have any compulsion to externalize/personify every human impulse into a creature with horns or one that sits on a cloud or whatever. The universe creates trying, challenging scenarios of all sorts, which in the interest not just of survival but of enlightenment are our tasks to address, understand, & solve, & these would include ALL forms of religious extremism.

The bible is a book that simply doesn't interest me. There are spiritual books that do interest me for their complexity and illumination, but I don't need to live my life by any of them, & I don't need any of them to be a moral or spiritual person.

There are many religions much, much older than Christianity. The godhead was here long before any of it (& believe me, it was longer than 4000 years) & we as a species did not only obtain the capacity for enlightenment after the bible was written or after Jesus arrived.

If you "love Jesus," great. Go for it. Just don't end a conversation with some smug, proselytizing last word that in the end is just a way to think you are superior.
bible quotes
Yes, I am fairly familiar with Old Testament, in Hebrew, but thank you. The Psalm was written by David, not by G-d. As for Jeremiah, yes G-d does know our souls, before we are even human.

Not sure what Bible you are reading........... sm
but the quote I posted (paraphrased) is actually attributed to Joseph Dunniger.  Correctly quoted, it reads "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation will suffice."

Talk about needing to check one's sources! 

I am squeezing my Bible right now
because it is MY right to stay right here in AMERICA and squeeze my Bible ALL I WANT  WHEREVER I WANT.  I am also allowed to demand that PORN is not freely visible in public to my children.  sex is a natural way of life SURE but that doesnt mean I want my 11 year old little girl around it.  A u a MORON?  What if some guy is at the library and decides to flash his nudeness in public showing all his glory?  Is that OKAY TOO?  May as well be.  Seeing a naked person on line while walking by a computer in the library with my 11 year old is no different than seeing it in person in the library.  GET A GRIP and stop trying to take MY rights away.  I believe in Jesus and I am saved and I read the Bible and TRY to live by it and that is MY RIGHT. 
But the bible is not the same as the constitution

But the bible is not the same as the constitution
Nobody is stopping you from living my biblical precepts. And nowhere have I heard of any attempt to force churches to perform marriage ceremonies (interesting word- ceremony, but I degress). But I was under the impression that one of the critical differences between the USA and almost any Middle Eastern country is that we base our laws on civil liberties rather than letting religion be our guide. There are a lot of things mentioned in the bible forbids that we routinely do- I can't tell you when I last had the sabbath off, nor can I tell you when I last got to stone a harlot. My then widowed father did not step in to marry my aunt when her husband died and zoning laws prevent me from keeping a fattened calf in the garage.

My religious beliefs may not be in keeping with your religious beliefs, and neither one of us should be expected to live our life according to the other's.
I don't know about the catholic Bible sm
but have you ever really sat down and read your Bible or are you depending on a priest to interpret for you. You should sit down with your Bible and pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal his word to you.
The Bible calls
homosexual acts an "abomination." Look it up. It means "something to be hated." God tells us to hate that act. We obviously do not serve the same God. Mine teaches me to love all men and to hate sin such as homosexual acts. I believe you missed my point. Of course, it is possible to hate the sin and love the sinner but NOT if you are a member of the homosexual community. Once again, an opinion is not a judgement and it is a fact that homosexuality is abominable, ergo, disgusting if you worship the same God I do as I believe what He says. Of course, I have sinned. And I do not expect others to accept my sins as well and good. I don't even do that myself, so why should I accept that homosexuality is a good thing? My point is....We all sin, me included. You are not to accept my sin as good even though I may label myself as the sin I commit. You are not to hate me because of my sin but only hate my sin. People who commit homosexual acts and call themselves homosexuals would have us accept that sin because that is "who" they are not their sin. I don't think it's that difficult to understand.