Let me try to answer you sbMT
Posted By: and take this to the top. sm on 2008-11-06
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I started this thread by addressing it to the pubs. We have been talking in terms of dems, crats and pubs for a while now. I mean no disrespect when using the term. If you do not identify yourself that way, it is not readily apparent in your post. I simply meant to address the issue of republican reform.
In any case, if you are a relative newcomer to the voting ranks, party independence is a good place to start. Here is a perspective from someone who IS aligned with the left of center field of the democrat party. He was NOT pandering to me, nor do I find Obama a party centrist either. He is pretty much representative of the wide range of views within his own ranks.
I do understand the trust issue you express, especially in view of how much that played into this current election's outcome. McCain really was working with an almost insurmountable obstacle in terms of the nation's ability to trust the republican party. If you are feeling that the shift to the left is too radical, you may want to consider what the driving force behind that shift is. Fear of 4 more years was much, much greater than any fear the right-of-center wing of the republicans were able to drum up.
Obama ran a brilliant campaign, particularly in terms changing the map colors from red to blue. My party spent much of the past 8 years not only bringing Bush's faults into the spotlight, but much, much hard work on the grass roots regional and local levels. We mobilized and activated ourselves. 2004 was a real blow and we had many hours of deep despair. It took a great deal of determination and hard work to simply pick ourselves up and keep on keeping on. If dems seem a bit euphoric at the moment, that would be the reason.
Look for that to dissipate rather quickly. We are also having to redefine our own party in response to YOUR generation of voters who seem very turned off by status quo and are looking for solutions rather than party alliances. I for one believe Obama understands that very well and between the two candidate choices, he is the one who will orient himself in that direction. He will be disappointing some of the more agenda driven democrats like myself, but will be making up for that by NOT pandering, rather knocking down barriers of division and opening up much broader dialogs aimed at compromise. If he fails to do this, his re-election will be in peril.
As a footnote, I would like to add that I am hopeful that Nancy Pelosi will not be reaffirmed as House speaker, despite the fact that some of the party sees her as the best thing since sliced bread. She is too old school and has not been effective in being a uniting force within the House. I truly believe we are about to witness the reinvention of Washington politics across the board and both parties will have to learn how to go with that flow if they are to survive.
I'm with you on the wait and see side of things. What I can say with great certainty is that this in this country undoubtedly will be taking a turn for the better and I am willing to settle for that for the time being.
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sbMT, you know what I think?
I believe the people who feel compelled to riducle people who have Faith are people to whom the Holy Spirit is speaking, they just refuse to listen. Otherwise, why would they care what we believe? Even Jesus said his Spirit would not always strive with men. I happen to believe it is never too late to accept Christ until we draw our last breath and we never know in which instant that may occur. I also believe at some point, if He is continually rejected, he will stop trying to speak to us.
"Religion" and Faith are, indeed to very different things. I have a particular distaste for televangelists and I also do not believe that ALL churches (having nothing to do with denomination) are of God, nor are all church members Christians. As well, I believe there are many true Christians who do not attend organized churches. By denomination I would call myself Methodist. Do I agree with everything? No. I go to church for one purpose and one purpose only, that is to praise God, worship Him and renew my spirit. It matters not to me what name is on the church door; there's one heaven (in my faith) and one hell. We will all live one place or the other for eternity. I would rather be ridiculed now than cast out in the final judgment. If when I'm dead I was wrong then no big deal but our spirits, I believe, will cry for those who were told and continued to call us fools for believing. The Bible says there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth. I believe this.
Ridiculed or not, I am praying for our nation, God save it.
sbMT
We are very much alike. I was raised in a Methodist church but not a very devout family. My first husband was Southern Baptist so I'm well versed. I do also believe in the Rapture, which belief, as you know, is that we won't be here during the worst of the tribulation. I'm not sure if I believe the Rapture will occur pre or mid tribulation. I do believe that we are in the beginning of the end and I, for one, expect Christ to return at any minute. There are those other things spoken of in the Bible as well...where it says people will scoff at us and continuing as usual. I always wondered about some things in Revelations, but remember where it says the world will experience a financial collapse and a man will rise up appearing to have the answers? Well, it seems to me that we are in a position for such to actually happen.
BTW my present husband was raised Catholic. He has not been a practicing Catholic for many years. He goes to church with me but more importantly, he believes that Christ died for his sins, past, present and future and accepts Him as his personal Savior as did my first husband. I look forward to being with both of them in eternity where we will not be husband and wife.
Matthew 24 http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Matthew+24 also gives us warning and we see those very things beginning to happen now..
TO SbMT
SbMT:
I am very moved by what you have posted...I feel at times that we have become so jaded and cynical in this world - look at how we treat our brothers and sisters: Compassion is what reminds us, whether one is athiest or a believer, that we ARE all connected to one another, and we don't clean up our act; the price we are going to pay will be one that will taint generations to come..
to sbMT
Give me 3 reasons why McCain is more qualified to be the next president.
I can give you a lot of reasons why he should not be the next president:
His age
His temper
His running mate
His aggression
etc....
Obama is always polite, has style and class. He avoids pointing out McCain's mistakes; don't you think that Obama could also be aggressive if he wanted to? But he is too smart for that.
Not sbMT but...
1. He has integrity.
2. He has spent his life serving his country instead of serving his own narcissistic political ambitions.
3. He has a long history of working in a nonpartisan fashion to fix what is broken in Washington.
Reasons Obama should NOT be the next president.
His inexperience.
You can't vote "PRESENT" from the Oval Office.
His history of taking advice from left-wing radicals like Ayers and Wright.
His arrogance.
His nepotistic tendancies.
His lack of understand of global issues.
His inability to judge character.
Or, to quote JOE BIDEN:
"I think he CAN be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."
for sbMT
I have to give you some credit here.
I suppose Obama can better sell his ideas and opinions to people. He is more credible and he sounds more sincere. It's his personality. I do not find him arrogant, actually the contrary. He is not an aggressor.
And, we all expect a president to have an EGO.
I also find Michelle more sincere, credible and knowledgable than Cindy.
Like everywhere:
'The message is not in the word, it is in the delivery.'
To sbMT
Other than I would rather see Obama be elected than McCain/Palin I agree with you 100%. I also agree that Obama came up pretty fast through the ranks. Whatever it is, it's pretty well-hidden or the pubs wouldn't have to resort to the garbate they're spitting out. I'm sure the dirt is there somewhere. On the other hand, McCain picked his running mate, not on what was good for America but was good for HIM...he thought.
What I have to wonder is what will it take to get Americans off their lazy butts to do something. We can either sit around and whine and blame Republicans/Democrats or we can CHANGE OUR GOVERNMENT. It's been done before and it can be done again when the American PEOPLE come together as they did in the few days after 9/11 and forget their political affiliation. Immediately after 9/11 I was yeaing Pres. Bush. Shortly thereafter I lost all respect for him. There is more to that Iraq war than any of us know and it ain't good!!!
We, the people, can change our government but it's going to take some drastic action. Remember the Revolution? When enough people say ENOUGH, then and only then will we see meaningful change.
Yea, sbMT
Even though we don't agree on which candidate will be the least of the worst, it is so heartening to read your no nonsense, common sense post. I'm sure there are many on this board who have the brains to actually think and move past the Republican/Democrat loyalty if they just put their minds to it.
You are so right there are crooks at the top and the bottom of the pile. IF Robinhood takes from the rich and gives to the poor I'm fairly sure the "trickle down" effect will work. They'll just trickle the extra taxes on down to the middle class or whatever is left of it and the middle class will also pick up on the tab for the career welfare people.
I am all for helping people help themselves. Much as I hate taxes, I would even be willing to pay a little more to help people help themselves. The welfare system is frought with dishonesty. I think those on the welfare rolls whose familiies have been there for generations should be told in no uncertain terms that they WILL get off their lazy butts and go to work or they simply will not eat or have a roof over their head at government expense. Help those who want an education to get it, maybe an internship or OJT for less skilled workers as not everyone is college material. Provide daycare while they are getting the education. Maybe when they are gainfully employed they could pay back at least part of the cost of getting their education. AND no welfare, food stamps, daycare, housing or anything else for anyone in this country illegally. Do away with the anchor baby thing. IMHO a child who is born in this country to illegal parents should have no rights of citizenship period.
And while I'm about it...another chief complaint.....those in prison. Put them to work making license plates or whatever and let them earn their keep. Might not be so many in prison if they had to chop rocks or whatever.
We have got to do something or we're all going to go down the tube!
Have a good day.
To sbMT
First, I hope you feel better soon. This seems the time for those nasty pre-winter ills to set in. I'm not feeling well this morning either, upset stomach and diarrhea...aaaaarrrg. Went to take a nap and had to get up post haste. LOL
Thanks for your common sense and thought provoking statements. As a Christian I have struggled with many issues and my biggest issue is that neither candidate, if either is a Christian, has done anything to convince me of that. Certainly McCain kicking his 1st wife to the curb for a younger, more beautiful woman with lots of money, I don't believe is something Jesus would approve of.
What we need is a true man of God, who is not afraid to stand up and proclaim his faith in Jesus Christ. Of course that won't happen.
I will not vote for John McCain because in my opinion he talks a talk that he doesn't walk. Not meant to start an argument.
To sbMT (from below)
Maybe if he "bared his fruit" we'd see more about him. LOL
I do love to argue doggone it but it seem like most people don't want to argue for the sake of solving anything, they just want everyone to believe as they believe.
I try to apply WWJD in everything I do but in this case I'm just stumped. Both men say they are Christians. Are they? I don't know. God knows and he isn't telling me. I can't see the fruit either of these dudes bear. They are politicians. McCain tells such blatant lies that I wouldn't believe a word he says. As for Obama, I am not convinced that he has lied, certainly not about McCain. McCain on the other had either tells lies or stretches the truth about Obama to the breaking point.
I DO NOT believe in abortion but my opinion is that we need to keep the big, fat government out of our personal lives. The beginning of the downfall was Roe vs. Wade, when was that, who was president then, wasn't it Reagan. The president as yet does not have the authority to enact laws all by himself I don't think.
I believe the last true Christian president we had was Jimmy Carter and look at him. He was ridiculed and ran out of the white house so obviously some people didn't like having a Christian in the White House. I'm sure there are Democrat Christians and Republican Christians. If there was a man or woman running for president that I felt strongly was a Christian I would vote for him/her in a heartbeat but liars aren't usually very good Christians so I will vote for Obama and hope he serves the country well. I cannot stomach 4 more years of George W. Bush. I simply do not buy that he was given "bad intelligence." He gave the American people a snow job and good ole McCain was right there by his side.
Thank you sbMT
I had myself a good laugh at my own thoughts and thought everyone else might lighten up a little if only for a little while.
sbMT
You need to re-read what I said.
Hey, sbMT
Missed you. Hope you ate enough pumpkin pie for me. I never get enough. LOL You didn't miss much, seems a lot of people have been missing.
Hey there sbMT sm
You didn't miss a great deal. I'm glad you had a good holiday. Man....wish I had some of that pumpkin pie!
SbMT-sm
If you listened to President Obama speech today you would have heard that people not behind on their mtgs but struggling to stay that way will also be helped by this foreclosure plan. That is where we (dh and I) are right now since we (MTs) are paid on production in this job and it fluctuates. One or 2 bad months at the most would put us over. I am going to wait until March 4 and then call my bank. It is one that got a ton of government money.
sbMT....that's me....
I'm also a poet :)
sbMT, ain't that the truth! He isn't
the first African American president; he is the first mixed race president.
Thank you sbMT for this...but it is obvious no one...sm
pays any attention to any of this anymore. I think the true history regarding the founding of our country has been watered down and taken completely out of the history books in school. 
Thank you, sbMT. I knew the verse was in there
:)
Well, SbMT, since you seem to have the inside scoop
I sure would like to know which Georgia town you refer to. Since I live in Georgia (not from there, thank God), where I have personally seen billboards advertising the KKK in the past, I would appreciate a heads-up.
sbMT I pray the other poster will sm
have her spiritual eyes opened before its too late. Christians don't condemn people to he!!, folks send themselves to he!! by rejecting the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.
Yes I did, sbMT. Posted this in the wrong spot.
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why do you answer so stupidly, the right answer
if you had any brains, would have been......
'well, she made a mistake.'
But telling me that I need a job, is so stupid, yes, stupid AND a very weak point.
I can answer that. The answer is no. nm
Answer
I was frequently banned on the old forum format, at least once a week during the weeks I was actually posting (I would then get disgusted and stay away for up to a month at a time). Have only been banned once since the new format so I would agree with your analysis.
Otherwise as to other folks banned, I remember lots and lots of complaints/comments but can offer no specifics. I also remember seeing a lot of interesting posts go poof! Used to really really be bad on the old religion board. But hopefully that's improved also.
I would have bet it all that you would answer this way.
I suppose you also believe that poverty causes crime.
You would not like my answer
so I won't even go there...
So the answer is yes,
Where did the soldier in the article lie?
I come from a family with multiple generations who served and continue to serve in the military, including Iraq, so spare me your little lecture about troop morale.
Have a lovely day.
This should answer...
at least one of your questions. I found this site: http://www.cms.hhs.gov/MedicaidGenInfo/05_SCHIP%20Information.asp
Which states that in general, states can not permit the implementation of preexisting condition exclusions.
However, in states like South Carolina, where SCHIP is run through BCBS, they can implement preexisting condition exclusions, but only in so far as HIPAA rules allow - which I would assume (have not researched) is the 12 month waiting period.
As for your other question, I have a muscle disease (big time preexisting) and I can't even get health coverage privately. I have to struggle to work full time, even on the days I feel like my whole body is on fire, just to get group coverage. I had the 12 month preexisting condition thing, with which they are denying everything - saying that it's all related to the preexisting condition - and I pay $260 a month. I should also mention that this coverage is just for me - no children/spouse.
Hope that helps.
Thanks for the answer....
and you have a good one as well.
Right...there is no answer.
You want it your way or no way and want to squelch any kind opposition. Sounds more like the the old USSR than the old USA. There's that Marxist thing again.
answer...
Again you prove my point. And MSNBC, CNN, and the others are any different, except their slant is to the left? You really think people don't notice that? lol.
Dear...drop the condescencion. Demographics can have many meanings other than the one you describe.
I was talking about news outlets. I know there are other places to get the conservative view...but I want to get both sides. I don't watch the commentators much on either side...hard to find a point in the bashing, and that means both sides. Mostly I just turn them off.
you just know everything, don't you...have an answer for everything
no matter what anyone says, you (meaning the posters on here who continually try to bully everyone into their own way of thinking) will defend her - even if she was caught in bed literally with John McCain you would have an answer for that.
I heard an interview by Jodie Foster where she stated she literally hates weakness of any kind, in any thing. She said if there was a bird fallen out of a nest (to that affect) on the sidewalk in front of her she would want to kick it. That is the majority of what I see on these boards. Nastiness, aggressiveness, women toward women. Do you think kindness is a weakness, because I know most men do. I personally do not want to be a man.
That is okay, Jesus has said the weak shall inherit the earth - I will follow Jesus' teachings before I would ever follow people who think killing over 1 million innocent people is a good thing and are blood-thirsty for even more lives and souls, a majority of which comes right from the pulpits. I think I read somewhere those people will suffer most at the end of the world - as for me I am making sure I am not one of them.
Might is right, bigger is better - you can have all of it and women can get as aggressive as they want but you will find out it was wrong when men do it and it is wrong for women to do it.
here's the answer
I, too, am in a quandry about this election, but I do know that opening up drilling for oil in Alaska is just a temporary solution. We are spending 10 billion ($$$) a month for the war in Iraq. Why are we there? For oil. Think how far that money would go towards developing new alternative energy sources in this country in order to free ourselves from our addiction to foreign oil. Even in Dubai, where they currently have plenty of oil, they are cuttng edge in the development of alternative energy sources. Even they realize the oil is not going to last forever!!. The powers that be in this country are so ignorant and greedy that they refuse to see that this is the ONLY SOLUTION to this madness!!! Wake up, people. This is a change that will garner HUGE improvements in all matters of economy and environment, and showing the rest of the world that the US can be an example in leading the way to making these changes!!!
That's really the best answer
Don't talk to them about it. Judging by this board, things can get very heated and nasty and really, has anyone changed their minds after reading any of this stuff? I think at this point most of us know who we are going to vote for and arguing is just pointless.
Answer. sm
I realize what trouble we are in. That is why it frightens me that this bimbo is literally 1 heartbeat away from the presidency.
See answer above. Aha. nm
nm
Answer
The same number of Democrats as Republicans.
Looking for a serious answer...
I am looking for a REAL answer to this. Not a snide remark from either dems or pubs.
Why are the presidents, leaders, etc of nations we aren't "friendly" with supporting Obama?
Just real answers please. I think we are up to our ears in sarcastic remarks on this board.
Thank you for the answer - nm
nm
Got my answer
It doesn't matter and our vote will be counted.
You don't have to answer
Is it PA. That is the way it is here, God is still very much present in our schools and out, and that is a good thing.
answer this
BLACK? that's what i thought... uh... no and let me make this perfectly clear... I AM NOT INSINUATING THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS WILL RIOT.
Your answer is in the
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Yes, see your answer above. nm
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answer
into poverty, but you don't want the money it takes to care for these children to come out of your pocket???? Am I on the mark?
Answer: First of all, I wouldnt be forcing anyone to have a baby born into poverty. That would be THEIR choice. Yes, it is a CHOICE to get pregnant or not. If you dont want to get pregnant you should use BIRTH CONTROL, given out FREE to anyone who cannot afford it. Of course, you cannot actually shove it down someone's throat and make them swallow it, I guess. Second, I already DO pay for these unwanted children. It is called WELFARE.
I guess this is another so-called way to sling mud at Obama. The rich republicans can't have it both ways. You either care for the unborn (welfare for their mothers) or you allow the mother the choice... Which is it? Answer: First, I am not slinging mud at Obama. I would be against abortion no matter who was running for office. Second, I am not a rich republican but a poor democrat. Sorry to dissappoint! Third, I believe that education about birth control and sex should be funded more, there should be more support out there for teens on how to NOT GET PREGNANT in the first place. Second, there are NO unwanted children in the world. If the natural mother did not want the child, there should be, and I am sure there are, government funded programs to allow these girls to adopt out their babies to the MILLIONS of people who want to adopt. Also, our government should help fund would be parents to be able to adopt w/o having to spend thousands of dollars to do it. So that way people in the good ole' USA could adopt w/o having to go to third world countries to do it. Another thing, the government should reevaluate their priorities in that it costs almost nothing to have an abortion and commit murder versus spending thousands on adoption. Go figure that one!
Not all abortions are a form of birth control, ya' know. I knew a very religious lady that aborted her child due to hydrocephalus. The child would been born deformed/a vegetable. This would have put this lady at high risk. She prayed about it and soon after aborted the child. She had to live with that.
That is the child that God gave her. I dont have all the answers about why that would be, but murder is still murder. So does that mean because the baby was deformed that he was less of a baby, a human life? Not our call to make. As far as her having to live with that, this is true. However, as a Christian, we also have to live with whoever we put into office. They represent us, our beliefs. We have to answer for who we give the power to. We are all responsible.
Not all situations are the same. Furthermore, you can't force your child to have a baby or to have an abortion. Either way, it's her body.
In the OT of the Bible God speaks about the children of Israel. They were worshipping an idol and offering their children to it. He spoke about innocent blood be shed and he was angered by it. He speaks quite clearly that it is murder. Also, if anyone supports abortion, I think they should go to the faith board and click on the post not for everyone and find the link in there to a video, copy and paste and watch what happens to an aborted fetus. At 19 weeks what a baby looks like and see what happens to them when the are killed. I mean, after all, if you can condone it, then you should be able to watch it. |
answer s/m
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being Roman Catholic. There is something wrong when priests or pastors start threatening their parishoners with he11 fire if they don't do as they say. They need to stick with God's business and leave politics out of it.
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When I first answered Amanda her post said that anchor babies by virtue of being born on American soil are american citizens. I said I was fine with that. The reason I am fine with that is because the 14th Ammendment of the Constitution, section 1 says -
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
I have not yet found anything in the Constitution that talks about the parents of the child needing to be US Citizens.
There is a lot of info out regarding this subject. I did find an article from the Seattle newspaper that the republican party is talking about no automatic citizenship for kids born to illegal immigrants. Here's that article.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004450665_gop01m.html
Here's another article that I just found interesting. This one talks about the people who knowlingly break our laws just to have their kids born in America.
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article4435.html
All I say is that if it is in the Constitution we need to follow it. The Constituion and Bill of Rights were written with a purpose.
If an child is born in America to illegal parents, and the constitution says that baby is a US Citizen then that child should be allowed to run for President just like all the other people born in America. If the person is born outside of US soil then no they are not eligible.
Obey the Constitution and stop trying to change it (no, not you personally, that's just my motto).
Answer...(sm)
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Orderly-bankruptcy-option-auto-firms/story.aspx?guid=%7B86C06032-FA65-4B0A-AC3C-EBA0CA835D11%7D
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/orderly-bankruptcy-option-auto-firms/story.aspx?guid=%7B86C06032-FA65-4B0A-AC3C-EBA0CA835D11%7D&siteid=yhoof
There are numerous other articles about the bankrupcy thing. Just Google *orderly bankrupcy.*
As far as the ethics bill (keeping in mind that I have not been able to read the actual bill yet--can't wait to get hold of that one) employers are not allowed to reprimand employees for exercising thier rights under this bill. So, while some might be able to fire people *at will* others can't.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#28304676
As soon as I find the bill itself I'll post it or post a link.
I already know the answer to that one...
nm
Sometimes no answer is all the answer
rhetorical questions seem to throw them into a real tizzy, so I'm not expecting anything more insightful than "whichever way our winds blow."
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