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Bring us out of the 20th century and plant our feet firmly

Posted By: in the 21st. nm on 2008-11-06
In Reply to: Forgot to mention. - Morals and beliefs gone.

Keep it simple.


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Tongue firmly in cheek, please
Okay, I just checked out the website and have come to the conclusion that the whole thing is indeed a joke. Somebody's got WAAAY too much time on their hands (funny if you read it in the right frame of mind, scary if you take it seriously).
I have a nightmare...ongoing, starts Jan. 20th.....and for the next

About O's message-The 20th Anniversary of Khomenini

I don't think O's message will get through to them. Look what Iran has to say about


President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad termed the Islamic Revolution and the late Imam Khomeini's movement as inspired by God which was in continuation of movement of the divine messengers of Allah especially the Noblest Messenger of Allah Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH).
 
Addressing foreign guests who are in Iran to participate in the twentieth demise anniversary of the late Imam Khomeini in Tehran, President Ahmadinejad said that the late Imam Khomeini's movement was not a tribal, political and geographical one but it was carried out to materialize the divine messengers' goals.


Imam Khomeini rose up in a condition that the world was overwhelmed with disappointment and the dignity of human beings was crushed under the hegemony of Liberalism, Capitalism and Marxism. He revived the dignity of the human beings.
 
"Imam Khomeini confronted with anti-human powers through justice-seeking, devotion, supporting the oppressed nations and sincerity. So the human resolves were manifested in the late Imam Khomeini's goals," President Ahmadinejad added.


Pointing to collapse of Marxism and Liberalism's dead-end, President Ahmadinejad said that we can see the liberal achievements based on its false slogans are in opposition to the human values.


He added that supporting the Zionist regime which is the most atrocious regime in the history and the big deception of Holocaust revealed the real identity of the liberal democracy to the world.


"It is a mistake to think that the Islamic Revolution just belongs to Iran because it awakened all humans," the President said, adding that justice and respect to human are the only way to resolve the world problems.


Tongue firmly in cheek during that post....
after we have all been regaled here about why we should not be judgmental and be more open-minded like Barry from Chicago and the Europeans...LOL...well, the worm is turning it looks like. More power to him...at least he walks the walk as well as talks the talk. More than I can say for Barry from Chicago. lol. ;-)
We don't bring it up to dismiss Bush, we bring it up...
to show that your criticism holds no water.  It's not a political thing, it's a human thing.  People have shortcomings.  Now, if you want to have a statute of limitations on this thing, then I guess Bush is off the table as it's been about 20 years since his last drink, believe it or not (I know that's your next reply, that he still drinks, which you have no proof of so don't even try it).
Don't know about his feet.....but his
plans for this country sure do stink to high he11!
Don't think you can blame it all at the feet of conservatives....
runaway social programs are certainly not the fault of conservatives...raiding of social security was not done by conservatives...Democrats did that. You can't blame the moral relativism of today on conservatives either. Pre-emptive war was also something started by Democrats (Viet Nam). Democrats kept blacks from having the vote until the 1960's. So please...let's not try to blame EVERYTHING on conservatives...because that is a crock. No one group of people got us where we are today. It was definitely a combined effort.
"I am learning at the feet of the masters."

As I said, you seem to need to lace your posts with insults.  You've never answered how that comprises good debating technique.  You have only blamed other posters for your own behavior.


You continue to call me Teddy as some sort of taunt I suppose.  And I remember you accusing me of being other folks posting....heck we even invited you to email several of us in order to prove via email that we were different people but you declined to do so.  Apparently the belief that we were all the same person was somehow comforting in a world full of evil liberals!


why don't u just throw yourself on the floor and kick your feet
talk about childish - I never called you anything until you called me  "an old hag" - so throw your little tantrum and try to convince yourself how "real" you actually are. Actions speak louder than words and..........well, you might have a case of mistaken identity here - I don't harass anyone - I stay out of the petty pssing matches. Get all flustered up over what you consider SACRED - who cares???? I don't. And no, I DON'T have to agree with you or anyone else for that matter and I don't give a flying fk if you agree with me.
Not bickering. Holding feet to fire. Like GP...
and I agreed to. Have a good night!
Words of this century...sm
Stay the course.
It's hard work.
Liberate the Iraqis.
I'm a patriot (and you're not).

Did I mention *it's hard work, staying the course to liberate the Iraqis because I'm a patriot (and you're not).*

Any ring to those words? Boy, if Peewee were still in the playhouse now.

Anywho, the point is and you said it yourself, Fox is a conservative leaning network. And the liberal guests can debate, you may feel they can't because they are double teamed by the anchor/pundit and the conservative guests.
Maybe you should consider jumping into this century...nm
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How juvenile...why don't you throw yourself on the floor and kick your feet
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You don't think that in the 21st century people
Well, depending on who you know, maybe not. You don't know a Democrat who thinks you should help yourself and not help yourself to handouts? Wow! You really do need to get some better frends or "leaders" or something.


No, he is not pro-choice. He is the 21st century's
Hitler.
No, he is not pro-choice. He is the 21st century's
Hitler. 
I am so SICK of people like you and their ൝st century"
thinking! You CAN live on one income, if your husband is a REAL man and WANTS to support his family! That's the problem with the world today, everyone is SO selfish and wants to "keep up with the Jones'" when the reality is, is that nothing has changed. If anything kids need their parents more NOW than ever! With the crime rate and murder rate, gangs, etc. A HUGE portion of that is due to lack of parenting. "I was too busy, I didn't know, I HAD to work!" attitude! Yes, women can have careers, AFTER their children go to school! There is NOTHING wrong with that! So stop saying "we can't work w/o being bashed?!" The first 5 years of a child's life is crucial! And they WILL remember if you were or were not there for them! I am so tired of you "feminists" bashing stay-at-home moms! All it is is an excuse NOT to stay at home with your kids! Sorry, but some people just are NOT maternal! My sister-in-law is one of them, but at least she ADMITS it! She likes to work and she is not very motherly and she will tell you straight out! So stop bashing SAHM's just because you may feel you have to "assert your independence" as a free and working woman of the 21st century!
TJ did not preside over a 21st century landscape.
nm
plant
I don't know about that, but I do know what Obama said to him.
Whether Joe was really a plant or not

really doesn't matter.  The bottom line is the dems were ready to attack a nobody because of unpaid taxes and yet pubs are ridiculed for attacking appointees because of unpaid taxes.  Still a double standard from where I'm sitting and someone appointed to office is a heck of a lot more concerning to me than some guy off of the street who is a plumber.  LOL! 


I would assume that Obama didn't know these people had unpaid taxes, but he shouldn't have stood by them.  Geithner running the IRS troubles me greatly.  Whether he is a crook or honestly did make a mistake, he is now heading up the IRS?  Still don't get that. 


I understand that some are going to nit pick any person that Obama chooses, but to me unpaid taxes is a pretty big thing and for dems to freak out about people being overly critical of who Obama wants to appoint and trying to blow off unpaid taxes......well they didn't have the same view point when it came to a nobody off of the street who asked a simple question and for once got an honest answer out of our President.


Double standards.  I'm so sick and tired of politics.  Just like the dems crying out fearmongering by the pubs over last years bailout and now look what Obama is doing.....using the fear factor.  Both sides are just full of crap.  They always yell at the other side for doing something that they themselves have done or will do in the political arena.  It is a joke really and yet here we all are doing the same thing. 


Is this the way politics and history are made in tthe 21st century?..nm
nm
who care if he is a plant?
He is related to Keating! that's even funnier
More like a plant from the O campaign
What a better way to get a "racial thing" going. All the racial stuff is coming from the O side. McCain and Palin don't go there, but O sure knows how to use the race card.
Joe the plumjber was a plant.....
And Obama's team looked for the most qualified without ensuring they were squeaky clean - their bad. I am sure if you put Bush's appointees under the microscopic, you would find just as much corruption if not more. Politicians are corrupt and Obama put his trust in the hands of those who forgot how much of a microscope will be on every single candidate. He will learn the hard way what a dung pile Washington is.
Probably a plant from the O side...would she sue if she heard....
anyone threatening the other side at an O rally? Probably not.
kind of interesting about Ford plant
http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189

Note the comment about UAW at the end.
GM suspended work at Flint Plant and
will likely file bankruptcy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/16/AR2008121602675.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUSN1748966920081217
We have a meat packing plant in my town
it has been here for 60+ years and never had problems getting those "lazy" Americans to work. My uncle was employed there for years and it was backbreaking work. He wasn't lazy. He was trying to feed his family. Over the past few years, the owner has tried to sneek in illegals so he could pay less as well as a construction business making roof framework for homes. They never have had trouble finding hard working folks; they just want to get the job done for LESS and LESS. So, please don't try pulling that "lazy" American routine.
From innocent pub plant in a rally to podium sidekick
put himself out there. For some, Joe is the everyman's man...for other's, the everyman's sham, and the spectator's seem to be fairly equally splint on that impression of him. No sympathy for the plant. Beating your gms and getting all exercised over this is a waste of time and isn't going to clean up the mess McC made with Joe the unlicensed. BTW, when getting all outraged over Joe's invasion of privacy, let's don't forget McCain's hand in that one, OK?
Honey, a plant in the RALLY to yell those alleged things...nm
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Hershey closing York Peppermint Patty plant in PA

And is moving their plant to MEXICO.  It's situations like this where NAFTA should be renegotiated and remove any profit incentive for companies to take away American jobs like this.


Although I really like York Peppermint Patties, I don't think I'll continue to buy this product.


Hershey closing York Peppermint Patty plant in Pa.


By Associated Press



READING, Pa.: Production of York Peppermint Patties and other candy brands is coming to an end at The Hershey Co. plant in Reading.


After 23 years in Reading, the chocolate maker is closing the plant today and moving production to a new factory it has built in Monterey, Mexico. Hershey says it will mean the loss of about 260 jobs in the southeastern Pennsylvania city.


The plant also makes 5th Avenue and Zagnut candy bars and Jolly Rancher hard candies.


The nation's largest candy manufacturer announced two years ago that the plant would close as part of a wider move by Hershey to eliminate 1,500 jobs and one-third of its existing production lines, shifting more manufacturing to contractors in the United States.


Some workers will stay on for a few more weeks to close the plant.




READING, Pa.: Production of York Peppermint Patties and other candy brands is coming to an end at The Hershey Co. plant in Reading.


After 23 years in Reading, the chocolate maker is closing the plant today and moving production to a new factory it has built in Monterey, Mexico. Hershey says it will mean the loss of about 260 jobs in the southeastern Pennsylvania city.


The plant also makes 5th Avenue and Zagnut candy bars and Jolly Rancher hard candies.


The nation's largest candy manufacturer announced two years ago that the plant would close as part of a wider move by Hershey to eliminate 1,500 jobs and one-third of its existing production lines, shifting more manufacturing to contractors in the United States.


Some workers will stay on for a few more weeks to close the plant.


http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/39968037.html


 


Joe the plumber was a plant! Talk radio knew about him BEFORE he asked Obama a question
He is related to Charles Keating of the Keating 5 scandal that McCain was involved in.
To bring in an oil well........ sm
takes about 10 to 14 days, depending on the area being drilled.  This is for a land rig, not an off-shore rig.  I live in a very oil and gas rich area of the country and I see them going up and coming down in a matter of days. 
You know better than to bring
the Big JC into conversations on this board.  Liberal nut jobs will start screaming about how church and government should be separate and how dare we force our religion on them.  Next we will go into staying out of women's uteruses and allow the murder of unborn children but OMG.....don't even think about shooting wolves in Alaska as a predator control program because that is just horrible!!! 
Ill go there this weekend and bring
you back some posts. I just went there once and could not stomach it. I havent checked out the Dem underground board yet.
sally bring your

post regarding Mccain's lack of support for troops up the top.  It is highly relevant and I think it is buried in the muck and name-calling below.


 


Bring on the Miracle Gro. lol. nm
nm
Don't bring a bat to a gunfight.
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Aaah, you want to bring it up here....okay
You seemed to have lived a very privileged life but
my family wasn't privileged. We did for ourselves and never felt we were better than others as your family did. We didn't use others to do our work for us. My father, mother, grandfather and grandmother worked side by side with blacks, doing the same jobs they did in factories, in the fields, you name it. I was never raised to believe I was better than others as you were. You obviusly didn't despise your family's racism too much. You still used your nanny, maids, whatever you want to call them and I'm sure you didn't wait on yourself hand and foot. So please don't sit there and sound all sanctimonious about your life. I actually lived life growing up and knew what it was to not be raised to think I was better than everyone else. I never looked at black people as someone who should "do our work" for us as you did. Perhaps you would know best about prejudice, bigotry and racism, since you were so established in a family that did. What I do know is the black people that lived close to us, and there were many, worked side by side with my family members, all being paid the same and all sweating through the summer sun working until dark to plant crops and harvest them together. My family picked cotton out in the blazing summer heat side by side with blacks as well. Did yours? Of course not.

So, until YOU'VE actually lived and worked for REAL with those you want to keep down and feel so sorry for, you need to learn to keep your mouth shut.

Nobody needs your kind trying to sound so self righteous when all you're really trying to do is ease your mind and your guilt.

Don't make that my issue.
You sound like a self-righteous hypocrit.


For Obama also to bring in that Rev?
"Black will not be asked to sit in back.... brown will be asked to stick around.... and WHITE will embrace what is right".     --I am already hearing from friends who are so disappointed in that. Why do that?  That does not unite anyone....only ticks off white people who have never been racists, but may be assumed to be simply for being white. Obama should have NEVER allowed this kind of statement. I do not treat any color differently than myself. I have a Chinese friend, a black friend, a Mexican friend. When we have all come so far, to dig up the past in this way is not good. I have even experienced reverse racism when trying to get a job, yet I just deal with it. If Obama is a uniter, he needs to stop this reminder of race and act as if we are all the same color.
I bring the popcorn!!
Oh, the mental picture I get from that one!!
if in doubt..bring up an old GT post
MT, I have never posted on the conservative board..because the responses would boil my blood.  I dont know what post you are talking about..However, reading these posts this morning, one of your conservative *friends* posted about hoarding to American Woman, how she hoards information and then blasts away with old information from old posts..I have to tell ya, I laughed at that post cause, OMG, you guys, from the conservative board, have done nothing but bring up old posts that either I have posted or have been attributed to me, over and over and over and over and over and over..**If it doubt with nothing to say, bring up an old GT post**,
I figured that'd bring out the first-graders:)
Nice to know I'm not yet over-estimating the self-flagellating opposition.
I cannot bring myself to think they made it happen, but...sm
using the who stood to benefit/gain rule in solving a crime, there is room for suspicion. War is very profitable - world bankers and Halliburton? If they were incompetent, why were some promoted, and why aren't they standing trial for that? There are just too many unanswered questions, so I think in that sense they do need to reopen the investigation and do it properly. No one and I mean NO ONE will be getting away with killing 3000 Americans.
why did you even bring this up - looks like you are trying to start a fight
Everytime a subject is brought out you seem to like to interject a bash to Sam. I've been reading the posts and nowhere in response to my post here did I see sam post a "message with the express intent of wreaking havoc and instigating argument". I'm reading the responses to my post about issues and I'm not seeing one from sam called "let the games begin", so I have no idea what you are talking about. If your talking about another post awhile back, then start a new thread, but for Pete's sake don't drag it into mine. Forget sam - it looks like you are the one who is trying to start arguments. Leave your personal hatred out of this and be an adult for once. Posts like this I would expect from my 12 year old, but we are adults here. What's frustrating is to finally start reading about a lot of issues that both sides would like to know about and info they are sharing with us and then all of a sudden - bam, here comes your post bashing sam. I'm sitting here now looking at all the responses to my post and I'm not seeing the one you are talking about. Lets stick to issues and facts. It also sounds like some other posters want that too.
You bring up such a good point...
my partner drives a school bus in 2 areas, a very impoverished area, and then in the 'upper class' area, and he never gets over all the kindness and gifts he gets from the poorest of people during holidays, while the more affluent areas not even give nothing, they do not even treat him as a person.

I have noticed that during post office drives, you always see the most donated goods hanging on the mailboxes in poor neighborhoods, and very rarely anything from the huge gigantic housing developments. not to say they do not give but it really says SO MUCH.

we are musicians here where I live also and even the money-making machine bars and restaurants, they want to get everything free, they are making musicians around here go broke and do not care at all. they hold open mics and get everyone to play for free, while over-charging for every other little service, and give the musicians nothing, not even a free pop or coffee (or drink if you drink).

by the way, these establishments all boast they are christians/family establishments.
Nope, but that's where the movement to bring it
It USED to be a private decision. And even if you wackos manage to get Roe v Wade overturned, it will STILL be a private decision & procedure, and women and teenagers will still continue to obtain abortions, regardless of how much it is legislated against. The only difference will be in the safety of the procedure.

Clean hospital OR, or dimly-lit back-alley? I've had friends nearly die from the former. I choose the latter.
If you insist, we could always bring Bristol
unlike McC's supporters, I actually listen to my candidate when he says off limits. You are too covered with mud to realize he was defending your idiotic VP candidate and trying to shield her and her family from the glare of some VERY unfavorable media. The only chickens around this roost coming back are the ones that W set loose in the coop. I'll pass on following up the skeletons in McC's closet out of respect for my candidate's feelings. REAL American family values tell us not to go there.
I did not bring up Obama. The fact is
we don't need that promise from him as we are already doing it, and have been for years! Perhaps our older retired women will catch onto the new fertility efforts and start getting their pay raises, too!
Bring your balls and we'll all go!
Spare me to death.
Why do you people always have to bring "God" into