Not too worried about losing Christian Right
Posted By: NeoCon women's votes. on 2008-09-03
In Reply to: We will....and so will a lot of women out there in America... - sam
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Just participating in a Christian church does not make you a Christian (sm)
Everyone who goes to a Christian church is not automatically a Christian. Only God knows if you truly are or not. He could easily still have Muslim values and attend a Christian church. Does he? I have NO IDEA. I really don't know. What I DO KNOW is that the Christian church he attended did not teach what God wants to be taught. I know that from the Bible because we are not supposed to preach hate or damnation, yet that is what his minister preached, LOUDLY.
.Sure, O is Christian. His mother was Christian
his father Muslim. In Indonesia, where O spent 4 years, age 7 to 11, he attended a catholic school and received outside the school Islamic teachings.
When he was 12 his mother took him back to the US into the care of her mother and the rest is history......
You are losing it for us, Rush.
"Whether you agree with the fact that it's going on or not, we all have come to the decision that it's best that we win it. You haven't even joined us on that. You hope we lose it. You want to lose it because you want to embarrass the leaders of the country. What must your lives be like?"
First of all, there is no war to be won. Our enemy cannot be destroyed by brute force. Our enemy hides among the population, lives among the people. They have no strongholds we can attack, no supply lines we can cut, and no army we can outmatch and outgun on a traditional battlefield. We are fighting on their terms, but we have refused to acknowledge that. I ask you, what do you think Rush means when he talks about "winning the war in Iraq?" What does he envision as victory? The end of all violence against American targets? Complete and total peace? When Iraqis welcome our soldiers into their homes, and hug and kiss them in the streets? The insurgency is a disease. We have tried to destroy the infections that we have encountered, but we have not found a cure. We cannot prevent it, we cannot vaccinate against it. So long as American forces remain in Iraq, there can be no peace. You cannot convince the average Iraqi that we are there for his benefit, when his brothers have been killed by our soldiers, his home bombed by our planes, his life governed and monitored by our Army. So long as our soldiers patrol their streets, the Iraqis cannot be free, and the insurgency will continue. The hard truth is, the Bush administration does not know what to do in Iraq. They do not know how to achieve victory, because they do not know what victory should mean.
Leave Iraq. Bring our soldiers home. Apologize to the Iraqi people. Has anyone in the Bush camp ever thought of that? We are not fighting the Iraqi people as a whole. We are fighting various elements within the population. We owe the Iraqi people an apology, for invading their lives and killing their innocents (and because it was accidental does not excuse us from our responsibility). It is wrong to hate the Iraqi people. The vast majority of them are victims, caught in the crossfire. But the longer we remain in Iraq, the more noncombatants will join the insurgency, and become our enemies. The insurgents don't need to recruit new members; we are providing the people with reasons to join the fight against us, merely by doing what we are currently doing in their country. It is the propaganda that people like Rush spread that creates more and more hate, and makes it harder and harder to really and truly win the war in Iraq.
Newspapers are not losing
their audience because of ***political suicide***. It is because of the satellite/cable 24/7 coverage of the news on TV and the internet blogs where one can go to hear whatever it is they want to hear, true or not. Most people do not read much anymore as well. There are some really **big** words in the newspapers.
its more than losing books
that concerns me. It is the mindset that her beliefs are the only true ones and that information and opinions that differ from hers should not be available to United States citizens. That is down-right mindblowing.
Whatever. But I think your candidate was losing
Sometimes he actually looked a little confused. Petit mal, perhaps?
You ain't gonna like losing.
Found this on another political message board and thought it might be an interesting read here. I know we don't all hold the same opinions on the war and on President Bush, but take a couple of minutes to read this and give it some thought.
This is from: 'You ain't gonna like losing.'
Author unknown.
President Bush did make a bad mistake in the war on
terrorism. But the mistake was not his decision to go to
war in Iraq . Bush's mistake came in his belief that
this country is the same one his father fought for in WWII.
It is not.
Back then, they had just come out of a vicious depression.
The country was steeled by the hardship of that depression,
but they still believed fervently in this country. They knew
that the people had elected their leaders, so it was the
people's duty to back those leaders.
Therefore, when the war broke out the people came together,
rallied behind, and stuck with their leaders, whether they
had voted for them or not or whether the war was going
badly or not.
And war was just as distasteful and the anguish just as
great then as it is today. Often there were more casualties
in one day in WWII than we have had in the entire Iraq war.
But that did not matter. The people stuck with the
President because it was their patriotic duty. Americans
put aside their differences in WWII and worked together to
win that war.
Everyone from every strata of society, from young to old
pitched in. Small children pulled little wagons around to
gather scrap metal for the war effort. Grade school
students saved their pennies to buy stamps for war bonds to
help the effort.
Men who were too old or medically 4F lied about their age
or condition trying their best to join the military.
Women doubled their work to keep things going at home. Harsh rationing of everything from gasoline to soap, to
butter was imposed, yet there was very little complaining.
You never heard prominent people on the radio belittling
the President. Interestingly enough in those days there
were no fat cat actors and entertainers who ran off to
visit and fawn over dictators of hostile countries and
complain to them about our President. Instead, they made
upbeat films and entertained our troops to help the
troops' morale. And a bunch even enlisted.
And imagine this: Teachers in schools actually started the
day off with a Pledge of Allegiance, and with prayers for
our country and our troops!
Back then, no newspaper would have dared point out certain
weak spots in our cities where bombs could be set off to
cause the maximum damage. No newspaper would have dared
complain about what we were doing to catch spies.. A
newspaper would have been laughed out of existence if it
had complaine d that German or Japanese soldiers were being
'tortured' by being forced to wear women's
underwear, or subjected to interrogation by a woman, or
being scared by a dog or did not have air conditioning.
There were a lot of things different back then. We were not
subjected to a constant bombardment of pornography,
perversion and promiscuity in movies or on radio. We did
not have legions of crack heads, dope pushers and armed
gangs roaming our streets.
No, President Bush did not make a mistake in his handling
of terrorism. He made the mistake of believing that we
still had the courage and fortitude of our fathers. He
believed that this was still the country that our fathers
fought so dearly to preserve.
It is not the same country. It is now a cross between
Sodom and Gomorra and the land of Oz. We did unite for a
short while after 9/11, but our attitude changed when we
found out that defending our country would require some sacrifices.
We are in great danger. The terrorists are fanatic
Muslims. They believe that it is okay, even their duty, to
kill anyone who will not convert to Islam. It has been
estimated that about one third or over three hundred
million Muslims are sympathetic to the terrorists cause...
Hitler and Tojo combined did not have nearly that many
potential recruits. So... We either win it - or lose it -
and you ain't gonna like losing.
America is not at war. The military is at war.
America is at the mall, or watching the movie stars.
(Remember Obama said in his book 'Audacity of
Hope', 'I will stand with the Muslims should the
political winds shift in an ugly direction'.....what
better place for the Muslims to control our country, than
in the office of the President of USA .
No wonder their network is losing
Evidently they had invited GB on their show to discuss his views on current issues. Instead, 7 minutes of air time was wasted on this? This wasn't even comedy, nothing funny, just junk. Seven minutes of crap about a seat on a train!
Oh please - no one is losing their freedom
I read the article. Their freedoms are not being taken away. However, they are treating the home like it is a business and bring the congregation to a private home conducting business there without a license. This should be kept in the churches.
The "homosexual community" had nothing to do with this and no where in the article does it say that.
You'll be the first to try and take away the rights of the gays and lesbians, but you sure don't like it back do ya.
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But we are losing our ability to choose every day.
Can't have a fast food place in low income neighborhoods in California anymore because someone has decided because people have low incomes, they obviously can't make their own choices.
Can't have trans fat because someone has decided we can't decide for ourselves what those are.
Businessowners can no longer decide to allow smoking in their bars where majority of patrons are smokers in many places because someone else has decided it's for the greater good if they don't.
I could go on. It isn't Democrat or Republican, it's WE THE PEOPLE allowing these things to happen, allowing ourselves to be duped by studies, doctors, and scientists who think they know what is best for everyone and that we aren't capable of making choices on our own. If we don't stop it in its tracks, it won't matter which party or who is in office. It will continue to spin out of control until we no longer have the choices of which you speak! But in order to make any difference, we have to be united and stop turning on each other.
He's losing his bearings alright...
I sincerely think that melanoma has affected his brain. He used to be a maverick, especially when he ran against GWB in 2000. Now he's just old, real old. Think it's time for him to retire.
Biden - is he losing his mind?
Headline on Drudge - Biden taps on reporters chest and tells him "you need to work on your pecs"
Is he that touchy feely to go up and touch a strangers chests? I sure hope we don't see that same "love-fest" we saw between Kerry & Edwards.
Losing arguments and saying nothing significant
The OP obviously knows a whole lot more about what she is talking about than you have demonstrated with your snips. If this is how your party thinks they can win friends and influence people, no wonder they are so far down in the tank. This kind of response make you look very small.
You are right... they are upset because they are in a losing battle too, and sm
also what you said is 100 percednt correct. Bullying cowards.
LOL I'm good at losing my temper too. n/m
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They ARE dying. They're losing every one of them.
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You are right about the trash talk losing
all the trash talk from the biased liberal media trying with all their might to destroy individuals, politically and personally. And all of you liberals still cannot give it up, trash talk anyone who has any moral values at all. Try to trash talk everyone who does not want our whole world to be generic.
i would be the one losing my ACTUAL HOME
UNFORTUNATELY, I TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and i pay my mortgage, even if i was one of the ones that they should not have given a loan to. and i have an ARM, and an interest only loan, which i pay more to each month, etc. etc.... BUT if i was in default, maybe i'd get some help...
and you cannot deny that Clinton put this into action
and that McCain or Bush did not foresee it and ask for an overhaul.
no matter who is at fault WHO IS THE ONE THAT TRIED TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT LONG BEFORE THIS MESS???
You are confusing tyranny with losing
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=223862&title=Baracknophobia---Obey
I don't think that we're losing interest...(sm)
The govt in Iran has really been cracking down on communications. From what I understand (from news last night) they are confiscating computers, cell phones, etc. Because of this, there just simply isn't as much news coming out of Iran.
From some acconts from yesterday it has been said that they started yielding axes (of all things) along with the clubs and tear gas, and threw at least one protester off a bridge.
However, there are still postings on YouTube daily of the brutality going on.
Hey, the palestinians have been fighting and LOSING. They've been given every
opportunity to coexist peacefully, to have their own state, their own government --- THEY CHOSE TO FIGHT!
And Israel has offered up land that is rightfully theirs only to have the palestinians kill their innocents with suicide bombers.
'stop betting......you're losing.....
I've paid taxes all my life - federal, state, city, sales, property - I contribute to the greater good. I also have organized charity for families and painted and nailed and laid carpet and tile in poverty stricken homes when I barely had a pot to piss in myself - that was my Christmas gift to my children. I have donated to veteran's halfway houses when I was only making $5.30 an hour - so keep betting on 3-legged horses. I moved in with my parents and took care of my father who was dying while working full-time as a supervisor several states away (thankfully, my employer was cooperative). I always GIVE to my community even when I have only my labor to give. I also donated to Obama's campaign and went door-to-door handing out pamphlets in an attempt to wrench this country from the greedy grasp of the heathen right. AND, WE were successful. So, while the current socialist party inhouse is passing out the last of China's loans to the banks - Obama's team will have a fine time trying to shovel us back to prosperity. You think you are paying too much in taxes now? Since we have the worst unemployment rate since 1945 - I do believe you will be seeing a whole lot more being spent to try to save the citizens of this country and through sheer stubborn ignorance - you will blame Obama instead of the reichwing neo-cons who put us in this position in the first place. All of this impacts our lesser fortunate - the mentally ill and the disabled. Jobs won't go to them. Wait a minute. What jobs?
Actually, I will be MUCH more worried about
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Is anyone else worried about
what all they put into this bailout bill? I'm half scared to know what all kind of crap they put in there to entice some of these politicians to vote for it. What was in it for them that they finally said "yea" to?
When Dodd gave a speech about the bill last night, I wanted to throw something at the TV. He was all praising the people who are to blame for this and saying that they were such great help during these proceedings. He is lucky I couldn't reach through the TV and choke him.
I'm not too worried about that. s/m
If necessary we will heat our home totally with fireplaces. Plenty of wood and a good outdoor kitchen of Dutch ovens so we can feast without a speck of energy. Might not like it too much but we could survive with kerosene lamps for light of which we have a number. No internet but oh well......
Has anyone thought that just eating may be a problem? Someone mentioned $10 loaf of bread. We are among the fortunate who live on a farm. We have farm animals and an abundance of wildlife. We know how to raise a garden and how to roam over the hills and gather wild food that is etable. If we enter the next GREAT DEPRESSION, we'll be fine....provided we can keep those who don't have a clue of how to survive from stealing from us. Might be a good time to read up on the Foxfire series of books instead of spending so much time squabbling about who will be the best (WORST) president.
I'm more worried about you being..
able to vote on Nov. 4th.
worried about what is to come
I am worried about our country. My friend is in the military and he said that people in his unit are split now over this election. Not dem versus repub but black versus white. It is bringing out the worst in people, fueling deeply hidden racism, on both sides, and bringing it to the surface. He said that it is getting so bad they are actually fighting, he said like ready to kill eachother. They are forbidden to talk about politics. Scary, this is just one unit in small part of America. What is going to happen if he doesnt win. What is going to happen if he does?
Well, I am definitely worried!
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O comes across as if he is more worried about
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You are losing it gt, starting to scream and rant. Best rest now. nm
Doesn't matter - my 401K is losing an average of $3K
per DAY. Not per week, per DAY. If the loss continues at this rate, it will hit a zero balance and I'll have nuthin' to lose. So I'm voting for Obama, cuz I sure as he11 don't want that old Republican prune taxing my HEALTH CARE next.
Losing your parental rights is a reality in the near future.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87929
His ratings are skyrocketing! Liberal news is losing
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Loony Left is LOSING Clout in Europe
Once again (how many times do we have to do this?) socialist ideas are being thrown 'on the trash heap of history' where these losers belong.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124425154944290829.html
Worried about Rove?
Am worried about Roe v Wade, but not about Rove. He is not worry-worthy - way too much effort. I AM concerned that nothing will happen to any of them that are involved in Plamegate unless it is some third-string low-on-the-totem-pole flunkie who will be completely blindsided when he gets blamed/fired/arrested. This shadow administration is far more evolved than the Nixon guys. I predict nothing will happen to them but what is worse, we have been lied to so often for the last 4+ years that most of us won't even care. They are going to do what they are going to do...the end. Here in Florida we voted last election for smaller class sizes and not to build a bullet-train between Tampa and Orlando. Jeb just changed both of those things. We are building the train set up and class sizes stay the same. I wonder why we vote on these amendments at all. What difference does it make? And so it is with D.C. It has not mattered for so long what a great number of us have felt about Iraq and all the lies surrounding it. They just do what they want. And before anyone says "we elected him" as a plausible argument, 51% is not a mandate. One half of this country is on the other side. Our country does not deserve the autocratic theocratic government that has been forced upon us. When the shoe is inevitably on the other foot I suspect you won't like it either.
Well, Obama needs to be worried.
I wonder who is transcribing the medical notes of Senators Clinton and Obama.
I'm only saying this because a few years ago, I worked for a company that (I believe) didn't offshore, and on one of my jobs, the patient had the very same name as a prominent Washington politician who was considering running for President.
I kind of giggled and thought the patient must get teased a lot for having the same name. I realized that, as lawmakers, certainly their medical information would be very secure. I stopped giggling when I got to the "Social History" where the patient's occupation was revealed, and I realized that the patient was indeed that politician.
Fortunately, that politician's note was transcribed by an American transcriptionist, but it seemed to be by the luck of the draw, rather than by rule.
After 9/11, I can't believe this country is still so careless. 
I have always been worried about Russia
There was a great quote from 40 or 20 years ago, from a Russian professor, I'll have to search for it. But, basically it said something like, "We will bring them in with good will and kindness, and then we will crush them with our iron fist!"
However, the issue with Russia doesn't raise any concerns over Obama with me. Maybe he can use a little diplomacy instead of just trying to bomb everything off the map, lol!
Yes, I am worried about Russia.
I do not mean to sound churchy, but I have been brought up that it states in the Bible that Russia (known as another name in Bible, but shows it on a map where Russia is) to be very worried. When the country Russia comes into play, need to worry about Amargeddon, The End Times. Not the countries of Iran, North Korea, etc., but Russia. Yes, I am concerned about Russia.
You should be more worried about Obama and
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but she did not say she is not - I am not worried - just interested - nm
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Pugmon: We were so worried about you after
you told us your story about your UTI, depicted as a really life-threatening situatuon, and we asked you to keep us updated immediately what happens to you and you just disappeared and posted only after 1 week!
Not nice!
So the thousands getting laid off weekly are to blame for losing their homes???? nm
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Worried about $2,000 debit card? Oh please!
I was reading some posts on MTStars main board last night and OMG some people are wondering what will happen to the $2,000.00 debit card money the victims will get. One posted she did not want her tax money going to alcohol or drugs!! Would she be saying that if it had been a middle class white neighborhood or just because most of the victims are black, so she thinks they spend all their money on alcohol and drugs. These people had jobs, they had lives, they had homes, they had animals..they now have NOTHING, due to not fault of their own, due to our governments inaction and criminal neglect. So, until they can get their lives back on track (dont know if I ever could, sure hope they can..God help them all), our government is their employer and whatever money they get through the government, they can do with what they want. My God, they have nothing, nothing. I cannot imagine. It blows my mind and each day I get sadder and more angry over the horror. I gotta tell ya, if I went through what they did, when I got that $2,000.00, I probably would buy a bottle of wine along with finding a home to rent, clothing, food, getting my kids back in school and paying for transportation so I could find another job and then I would relax the first night in my new home with my kids and drink that darn bottle of wine..and thank the powers that be that I am still alive.. I am glad my tax dollars will help these unfortunate people.
Worried about a recession?? Here's the solution s/m
With Recession Looming, Bush Tells America To ‘Go Shopping More’
Today, President Bush held a news conference where he discussed the “way forward” for the economy in 2007. Renowned Morgan Stanley economist Steven Roach says the the “odds of the U.S. economy tipping into recession are about 40 to 45 per cent.” New York Times columnist Paul Krugman notes that “the odds are very good — maybe 2 to 1,” that the U.S. will teeter toward a recession in 2007. Bush’s solution? “Go shopping more.”
It ain't Russia I'm immediately worried about...
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I'm more worried about Obama hob-knobbing with
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Guns are not all the "pubs" are worried about....
but it is a legitimate concern. It is a guaranteed constitutional right. Why would you defend other constitutional rights and be so willing to give that one up?
Personally I think all the give me all the handouts you want to at the expense of others posts are getting pretty darned old.
Obama supporters worried, sorry
I'm less worried about the blame game....(sm)
and more worried about what she is saying now. Just the other day she had the audacity to say that she would glad to help and support Obama and yet in the same interview reiiterated that she is still worried about his associations with terrorists. She's not getting any smarter. In fact, the more interviews she does, the worse she looks.
I love fashion too, but right now, more worried about
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