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O is not under investigation for voter fraud

Posted By: except in your paranoid fantasy world. sm on 2008-10-11
In Reply to: Here's a deal - the pubs will take the wrap for troopergate if - sm

First of all, "voter fraud" is a bit hard to prove BEFORE the election. ACORN has been targeted by right-wingers for the past 38 years, since the day of its inception. While I do not condone it, this comes as no surprise that poverty-stricken workers who are paid by the signature and have quotas would turn in falsified statements. Barack Obama did not tell them to do that.

Nobody is swallowing anything, including your deluded ramblings. Those soup kitchen patrons, rock concert audiences and homeless are American voters with much more human dignity than you are able to display. We do not live under a Nazi fascist system. Their votes are equal to yours.

The kind of hatred you hold says a lot about you. You have a flock mentality. Original thought or ideas are beyond our grasp. It takes a lot of energy to harbor that kind of hate. Your life will be cursed until you let that go, and your campaign will be doomed to failure if you give Americans so little credit as to think that anyone in their right mind would want to join you and subscribe to such trash.

By the way, just how is McCain going to fix that pesky economic crisis you are trying so diligently to avoid acknowledging?


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Google voter fraud 2000, voter fraud 2004 and
The pubs have been down this road before.
Voter fraud by democrats ...sm
Being a big problem is a huge myth put forth by repubs. Don't believe Fox News and the like. Just Google it. The extent of the problem has been wildly exaggerated. (I wish I could find the link I had on this because it was nonpartisan, but I didn't save it.)

Now if you want to talk about voter suppression fraud OTOH, the Repubs are experts on that. Here's one article:

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Using the Department of Justice, friendly governors, and its usual propaganda outlets, the GOP has propagated the myth of voter fraud to purge the rolls of non-Republicans.

Read it at:
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_republican_war_on_voting
Voter fraud does not register with SS# and
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The purpose of investigating voter fraud...sm
It is not to be able to go back and forth, but to get to the core of the problems and solve them. On this board, you will see articles about voter fraud against liberal voters. That's not saying it doesn't happen on both sides, but which do you think WE are concerned about.
Acorn voter fraud in Detroit...
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809140383
Google ACORN and voter fraud....
they have a political arm who Democrats use to register new Democratic voters. Problem is, they use illegal tactics to do so. Four under indictment in Missouri from 2006; right now Detroit is investigating voter fraud because of fraudulent registrations, all submitted by ACORN.

Obama used to be their lawyer back in Chicago. He trained their operatives during annual conventions. That is a matter of record. He failed to publish $800,000 in donations from them, recently corrected by his campaign.
Explain what you want fixed? The voter fraud
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I am ready to talk voter fraud with a pub
You can cry wolf 'til the cows come home on this, but it's not going to change those poll numbers except maybe in a downward direction. People are fixated on the one topic your candidate refuses to talk about. Your smear campaign is so intense that we all have smear fatigue by now and even if you could dig up any sort of legitimate attack, nobody outside the choir is listening. Don't you get that?
Ruling on Ohio voter fraud.....hmmmmm
http://thurbersthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/10/breaking-federal-court-says-ohio.html
So voter fraud in ང doesn't count?
Voter fraud of this organization is only the tip of the problem. This is a corrupt organization in so many other ways, it should be very troubling to everyone but because so many of you who want Obama in office regardless of the consequences don't even want to hear the involvements he is in, is the very reason we are on a path of ignorance.

This organization is involved in so much garbage it should be shut down altogether and probably will after the election but as long as Obama is still in the running, no democrat wants to actually go after them for obvious reasons. But even the democrats will go after them when the election is over. Many of them despise this group.
One that doesn't care if it takes voter fraud to
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Pubs wrote the book on voter fraud.
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ACORN bribing voter fraud with cigarettes
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Obama campaign launches voter fraud web site

http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-campaign-launches-voter-fraud-web.html


 


 


Investigation
Why did conservatives think it so important to pursue a private personal situation with President Bill Clinton back in the late 1990s instead of pursuing terrorists?  We knew back then about bin Laden, we knew back then of terrorists wanting to harm Americans.  So, pray tell, why was it so important back then to turn this country into a laughing stock for the world and persecute a person for a private matter instead of focusing totally on terrorists?  Tieing up the presidents hands and holding down the government and wasting millions so that nothing else was done?  Well, I personally think lying to the American people and causing thousands of deaths because of the lies and spending billions of American tax dollars is important and needs investigating and boy oh boy will the truth be known when this happens. and thank you dear Lord, thank you for answering my prayers. 
no investigation
into Pelosi's allegations that the CIA lied? How can they do that? That's giving her (and anyone else) carte blanche to say and do anything with no consequences. I generally am not in any way partisan, but in this case the Democrats just gave themselves a big black mark in my book by blocking this. Either way, the issue has to be resolved. Either Congress is lying or the CIA lied. We deserve to know which. The American people need to demand an answer. To me, Dems blocking the investigation makes them definitely look guilty.
What do you think about the investigation into Roberts' SM
adoptions?
You're right there....... FBI investigation
If it were McCain you better believe the FBI would start an investigation but with all his involvement with corrupt organizations and terrorists groups, the FBI will not look into him at this point. They are waiting to see how this election turns out. No, he wouldn't pass an FBI investigation. There are many that have been in or done far less than him that haven't.
I should have said Lunsford *investigation*, not trial...sm
I don't think that crumb cake has had his trial yet.
Individual independent investigation
I agree it is important to look at raw facts and draw conclusions for yourself. So much of what we see and hear out of the mainstream media is slanted to one side or the other. I believe it is very important for one to get info from independent sources in order to draw enlightened conclusions. I think it's naive at best to trust solely the mainstream media and even partisan sources exclusively for your news. Things can be spun so many different ways. This is one area where we agree.
I said I prefer to wait for the investigation and
Letting an official process play itself out is what open-minded, objective people do before they make judgments.
News on the hacker investigation

Update: FBI serves search warrant against UT student in Palin case
Becky Simmons Updated: 9/22/2008 5:40:46 AM Posted: 9/18/2008 4:53:06 PM


The FBI is stepping up its investigation into the possibility that a University of Tennessee student hacked into the personal e-mail of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin.


A person who identified himself as a witness tells 10 News that agents with the FBI served a federal search warrant at the Fort Sanders residence of David Kernell early Sunday morning. Kernell lives in the Commons apartment complex at 1115 Highland Ave.


David Kernell is the son of Mike Kernell, a Democratic state representative from Memphis.


A Department of Justice spokesperson confirmed there has been "investigatory activity" in Knoxville regarding the Palin case, but she said there are no publicly available search warrants, and no charges have been filed.


A separate law enforcement source confirmed to 10 News that a search warrant was served on Kernell's apartment.


According to the witness, several agents arrived at The Commons of Knoxville around midnight.


They presented their badges upon entering Kernell's apartment, where several students were having a party, and took down their names.


The witness tells us they asked him and those who did not live in the unit to go outside. He believes the investigators took about 1.5 to 2 hours taking pictures of everything inside the apartment.


Witnesses say Kernell and his friends fled the apartment when the FBI agents arrived.


Kernell's three roommates were also subpoenaed, and must testify this week in Chattanooga, according to the witness.


Knoxville blogger and WBIR contributor Terry Frank has posted what she says are images from Kernell's Facebook page.


Numerous web sites say someone going by the name "Rubico" has admitted to hacking Palin's email. According to www.wired.com, "Rubico" made the claim in an internet posting. This person said it was easy to access Palin's yahoo account by using information like her zip code and birthdate. Various people on the internet have quickly associated Rubico with David Kernell.


Previous StoryThe son of state Rep. Mike Kernell has been contacted by authorities in connection with a probe into the hacking of personal e-mail of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, Kernell confirmed on Thursday.


Kernell, a Memphis Democrat, said his 20-year-old son David had been contacted by authorities investigating the hacking of Palin's personal email account.


The FBI and the Secret Service started a formal investigation on Wednesday into the hacking.


David Kernell is a student at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville. Mike Kernell said he spoke to his son on Thursday, as he does on a regular basis.


Kernell otherwise declined to comment, or discuss his son's whereabouts and whether he was in custody.


Reports that Palin's e-mail had been hacked bounced across blogs and into the news on Thursday.


Obama wants a thorough and unbiased investigation and so he sm
has called for a special prosecutor.... you know Acorn is signing up dems and repubs...these repubs are so desperate that they are even turning off their long time followers.

We will soon find out once the investigation is complete
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The investigation IS complete. Have you been sleeping? nm
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More investigation into the Palin "decoration"

Even Keith Obermann doesn't think this is right and I haven't agreed with him in about 2 months.  Luckily the secret service or FBI is investigating this house.  Not a hate crime?  Right!  As KO says "It's not the spirit of Halloween, it's the spirit of hate".


http://www.newsday.com/topic/la-me-palineffigy29-2008oct29,0,6159217.story


All living human beings should not be made into a "display like this" no matter who they are.  I just posted this message because a new update is that the FBI or secret service is investigation.


Maybe they should also investigate that lady who put "death" standing behind Obama as a display too.


People can be dispicable.


 


downing street memo investigation





Republican Congressman Breaks Ranks, Joins Demand for Documents on Downing Street Memos






Related stories: antiwar




src=http://www.politicalaffairs.net/images/1x1.gif 8-24-05, 10:58 am

Congressman Jim Leach (R, Iowa) has informed Congresswoman Barbara Lee (D, California) that he will co-sponsor her Resolution of Inquiry into Bush Administration communications with the U.K. about Iraq at the time of the Downing Street Memos.  Leach is the first Republican member of Congress to publicly support a demand for an inquiry into the Bush Administration's pre-war claims.  The 131 congress members who have signed Congressman John Conyers' letter to the President about the Downing Street Memo are all Democrats.  The 11 Senators who have asked the Senate Intelligence Committee to do the investigation it committed to in February 2004 but never did are all Democrats.
 
The Resolution, H. Res. 375, is a privileged resolution which must be brought to a vote in the House International Relations Committee by September 16th, or Lee is permitted to demand a vote of the full House.  Fifty-two Democrats, including Lee, have co-sponsored the Resolution.  Leach is the first Republican to join them, and he is a member of the International Relations Committee..
 
The International Relations Committee has 27 Republican members and 23 Democratic members.  Thus far 10 of the Democrats have co-sponsored the Resolution.  If the other 13 vote for it as well, then along with Leach, one more Republican vote will be needed for a tie, or two more for passage.
 
Leach has questioned Bush's war policies for years and was one of five Republicans in May to vote for Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey's amendment requiring an exit strategy.  Another of those five, Congressman Ron Paul of Texas, also serves on the International Relations Committee. 
 
Congressman Leach has broken the silence of the Republican Party on the Downing Street Minutes, said John Bonifaz, Co-Founder of the After Downing Street Coalition.  His willingness to co-sponsor Congresswoman Barbara Lee's Resolution of Inquiry is bound to make the White House nervous.  It is not possible for the President to paint this demand for documents as coming solely from his opponents.  This is a demand for the truth.  Did the president deliberately deceive and mislead the United States Congress and the American people about the basis for going to war against Iraq?  We as a people -- from Crawford to Des Moines to Washington, DC, regardless of our political persuasion, deserve to know the answer to that basic question.
 
Congress returns to Washington from its summer break on September 6, said David Swanson, Co-Founder of the After Downing Street Coalition.  The first 10 days will test the Democrats' ability to stand together and challenge the Bush Administration, as well as Republicans' willingness to break ranks on an issue where public opinion has diverged widely from White House policy.
 
The text of the Resolution, H. Res. 375, a list of current co-sponsors, and what you can do to help: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/902

From AfterDowningStreet.org


The Obama campaign welcomes the investigation. nm
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Isn't Fitzgerald's grand injury investigation into Rove, et al.

about to come to an end soon?


I think October is going to be a very interesting month.


She's under investigation by her state for corruption and McCain still picks her?
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Zogby Poll: Over 70 Million Voting Age Americans Support New 9/11 Investigation.sm

Zogby Poll Finds Over 70 Million Voting Age Americans Support New 9/11 Investigation.


Link to article on web page that represents survivors and victims families. 


http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060522022041421


 


 


The Voter
The voter...that is where the shoe leather hits the carpet.
Most OPs know he is a fraud. SM














A statement from the American Indian Movement Grand Governing Council
© Indian Country Today February 04, 2005. All Rights Reserved
Posted: February 04, 2005
by: Dennis Banks
Dennis J. Banks, Ojibwa, and Clyde H. Bellecourt, Ojibwa -- Guest columnists

Ward Churchill was scheduled to speak at Hamilton College in Clinton, N.Y.on Feb. 3. His appearance was canceled by the college after he caused a public furor over his loathsome remarks about the 9/11 tragedy in New York. AIM's Grand Governing Council has been dealing with Churchill's hateful attitude and rip-off of Indian people for years.

The American Indian Movement Grand Governing Council representing the National and International leadership of the American Indian Movement once again is vehemently and emphatically repudiating and condemning the outrageous statements made by academic literary and Indian fraud, Ward Churchill in relationship to the 9/11 tragedy in New York City that claimed thousands of innocent people's lives.

Churchill's statement that these people deserved what happened to them, and calling them ''little Eichmanns,'' comparing them to Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann who implemented Adolf Hitler's plan to exterminate European Jews and others, should be condemned by all.

The sorry part of this is Ward Churchill has fraudulently represented himself as an Indian, and a member of the American Indian Movement, a situation that has lifted him into the position of a lecturer on Indian activism. He has used the American Indian Movement's chapter in Denver to attack the leadership of the official American Indian Movement with his misinformation and propaganda campaigns.

Ward Churchill has been masquerading as an Indian for years behind his dark glasses and beaded headband. He waves around an honorary membership card that at one time was issued to anyone by the Keetoowah Tribe of Oklahoma. Former President Bill Clinton and many others received these cards, but these cards do not qualify the holder a member of any tribe. He has deceitfully and treacherously fooled innocent and naive Indian community members in Denver, Colo., as well as many other people worldwide. Churchill does not represent, nor does he speak on behalf of the American Indian Movement.

New York's Hamilton College Kirklands Project should be aware that in their search for truth and justice, the idea that they have hired a fraud to speak on Indian activism is in itself a betrayal of their goals.

Dennis J. Banks, Ojibwa, is chairman of the Board of the American Indian Movement. Nee Gon Nway Wee Dung, a.k.a., Clyde H. Bellecourt, Ojibwa, is the National executive director of the American Indian Movement. For more information, write to Ministry for Information, P.O. Box 13521, Minneapolis, MN 55414; call (612) 721-3914 ; e-mail aimggc@worldnet.att.net or visit www.aimovement.org.

Fraud ??
This article doesn't mention fraud of any sort. We will have to see how it plays out.
Do you really want to get into campaign fraud?
You really don't want to, because the left has a corner on that market One example is the DNC registering dead people in Detroit. You know, we could tit for tat all day long about these things, but the conspiracy that elections are fixed is just that, a conspiracy.

Your energies would best be served by trying to help the the schizophrenic Democratic party finding a unified vision and an action plan other than dissing the Republicans. It's not our fault you're losing it's yours. The article you posted proves that energies are being wasted on the wrong things. But really, I don't care if you lose just so you do.

It's called fraud
I happened to get a call from the police in Arizona a few months ago. I have always lived in Ohio. It seems someone (several someones actually) had LISTS of people across the country of personal info, account numbers, passwords, email addresses, etc. pretty much everything you need, even machines to make the credit cards and license IDs. Arizona puts the fraudsters away just for having this info without your permission. Apparently they had a large fraud bust out there and they don't waste their time on proving what they did with it. YEA ARIZONA!
Obama voter here sm

Frankly I do not see much good coming from the policies of the last 8 years. An out of sight deficit, home foreclosures, terrible price hikes and job losses, I can;t see the pluses in these. Has Iraq made us safer? My gut tells me no. If there had, in fact been weapons of mass destruction than I would feel differently. I think what has matterd the most protecting the US have been more careful survellience domestically in the form of airline survelliences and the like.


I think Obama has the potential to make some positive changes, domestically and worldwide as well. While there is no guarantee of that I really don't feel that McCain will do to much except to continue more or less to promote the same policies as in the last eight years. We can do better than that. The post 9/11 politics of fear are eating the country alive economically.  While there is never a guarantee that another terrorist attack will not occur, as they do every so often world-wide,  I think it is foolish to sink your economy and play on the fears of its people on the remote chance that another one 'might occur someday.'


I like the message of hope and change that Obama speaks of, and if elected I hope that he is able to achieve some of his goals.


Joe the P is just another repub FRAUD

just one of many many many and the sheep who won't open their eyes to the mess the repubs have made will never learn


 


So voter suppression OK by you?
Being one of those that got misdirected and lost 3 hours of my time, I can tell you I didn't appreciate it one bit. Hope they bring charges against the creep.
Can we say voter suppression? (sm)

CNN just reported in Raleigh, NC-- people standing in line for 2 hours, and opps, all the sudden there are no ballots....there they are.....they are wet and will not go through the machine, so just put those to the side and we'll run them later. 


Flyers going out saying if you are a dem then voting day is Nov 5.


If you are in college your parents will get taxed if you vote at school.


There seems to be a HUGE list of this kind of stuff.  And who benefits from a lower voter turnout?  Hmmm. 


Voter Suppression is Right!
The Black Panthers were just blocking the doors of a polling site in Philadelphia.

Can't we all just get along? LOL


According to Rush, one voter who was
ex-military and had to push through the 2 of them earlier was told that the "black people were going to win the election."
No, all voter registration were not and still have not
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What is that BACKWARDS VOTER?
hahaha
Voter's remorse....sm
Does anyone know anybody who regrets who they voted for?


My husband was talking to his 25-year-old son the other day on the phone, and they touched upon the election. We know for a fact that he was an Obama supporter in the summer. He has also been in college for over six years, and acts like he's been brainwashed sometimes, by all his college professors.

Be that as it may.....DH asked DS who he voted for. DS hesitated for well over a minute....finally said he voted Libertarian. DH asked him who the Libertarian presidential candidate was, as DH said he didn't remember....DS said it was...Ralph Nader.....(who was Independent, not Libertarian...)

Now, we are fairly certain DS lied to his father about who he voted for. Why he lied, we are not certain about. Could be he just didn't want to admit to his father that he voted for Obama, because quite frankly, all the way through to November, he couldn't even coherently tell us why he supported Obama, just the familiar hope and change line, with no real substance as his usual reply.

Anyhoo.....then I got to thinking, that maybe he really wished he hadn't voted for Obama, but still woudn't tell his father that......still don't know for sure....



Interesting, though, to say the least.......
Every voter should read this.

First, let me say this testimony by a Cal State professor of economics pertaining to the proposed "cap-and-trade" program isn't light reading, but it isn't very long or overly technical, either. It's only a little over 3 pages, double-spaced with generous margins, and takes less than 10 minutes to read, especially since the whole first page is taken up with the economist's credentials and background which you can skip if you wish.


Second, we have to bring a certain mental framework to things like this, which I compare to digging the meat out of a walnut shell.  People like this don't typically use the kind of sensational language that we're accustomed to hearing on the news, and they tend to be rather polite and very low-key in the way they say things, especially when they're addressing a Congressional committee.


So nothing here is "bolded" or "underlined" in the way it's expressed, and ordinary reader like ourselves can easily miss the significance of what this economist is trying to tell the committee, which - if you want to cut right to the chase - is that "cap-and-trade" will destroy our economy.  Now, the economist uses somewhat less drastic terms but only SLIGHTLY less so, and if you simply think about the consequences of his predictions (which he expects the committee members to do), his meaning is quite clear. 


Cap-and-trade is admittedly INTENDED to make energy costs higher, on the theory that higher prices will induce reductions in energy use, hence pollution, etc., etc.  While this might sound like a good theory (odd, though, that those who support it are the very same people who laugh at "trickle-down" economics, which is exactly what this is, in reverse), it actually hides new taxes that consumers will ultimately pay for either directly or in the form of higher prices for literally everything because every good and every service includes an energy cost of one sort or another (and that, in turn, will also mean another layer of increased tax because you pay a higher sales tax when the price of anything goes up - a double whammy, in other words). At 8%, something that costs you $10 today = $10.80.  If the price goes up to $15, you pay $16.20 - which is not only a 50% increase in the price, but also a 50% tax increase on that item.  (It's critical to learn to think in percentages, and also to learn how prices are related to taxes!)


Cap-and-trade may just be the most horrendous idea ever to come down the pike.  This economist thinks so, calling it the "most anti-consumer" idea proposed to any Congress in our history.  This has nothing whatsoever to do with any political party.  It's simply another example of the absolute madness that seems to grip Washington these days - and members of both parties are afflicted with this insanity.


So, as always, here's the link for those who wish to paste it into their browsers, and it's also in the clickable link below.  This is a PDF file and I can assure you that there's no virus risk.


http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/robert-michaels-testimony-april-23-2009.pdf


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No voter redo for Florida
CBS/AP) Facing strong opposition, Florida Democrats on Monday abandoned plans to hold a do-over presidential primary with a mail-in vote and threw the delegate dispute into the lap of the national party.

While the decision by Florida Democrats left the state's 210 delegates in limbo, Democrats in Michigan moved closer to holding another contest on June 3. Legislative leaders reviewed a measure Monday that would set up a privately funded, state-administered do-over primary, The Associated Press learned.

In Florida, a frustrated Democratic Party chairwoman Karen L. Thurman sent a letter announcing the decision.

"A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the party were to pay for it," Thurman said. "... This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April."

Members of Florida's congressional delegation unanimously opposed the plan, and Barack Obama expressed concern about the security of a mail-in vote organized so quickly. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign expressed disappointment with Florida's decision.

"Today's announcement brings us no closer to counting the votes of the nearly 1.7 million people who voted in January," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said. "We hope the Obama campaign shares our belief that Florida's voters must be counted and cannot be disenfranchised."

college educated voter in the

suburb up the road says farmer is an ignorant redneck who does not check facts.


 


Then maybe that college educated voter......... sm
might like to test that theory by working a season or two in the redneck farmer's fields.

I live in an area where there are a lot of immigrant workers. The truth of the matter is that farmers really cannot afford to pay a wage high enough to be able to afford even a modest apartment, let alone buy food and pay utilities. I live right down the road from a poultry farm which employs a family of Mexican immigrants. The farmer, while making a fairly decent living (at least until Pilgrim's filed bankruptcy) provides a mobile home for the family to live in, pays utilities on said home and also pays the family wages to work on his poultry farm. No doubt this family recieves Medicaid and food stamps as well and the children probably get free lunches at school. It is very hard, if not impossible, to get Americans to work these kinds of jobs. I'm not condoning illegal immigrants, but if legal immigrants will do the job, then why not hire them?
Gad - another voter minus a few chromosomes.

ACORN has already admitted to fraud.
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