Yeah, and the SP thing is ridiculous. She is found

• Do pubs ever take personal responsibility for anything? - McC campaign trying to blame O for Troopergate. s
  • Oh, what a tragedy. But, being friends with a - terrorist and lying about it is less important?nm
    • Are you illiterate, dyslexic, have ADHD or hard of hearing? - Pay attention this time. sm
      • name-calling, same old liberal. Comparing SP to - Saint Obama. HE is the scary one.nm
        • Yeah, and the SP thing is ridiculous. She is found - guilty, but "broke no laws"..keep trying.nm
      • Here's a deal - the pubs will take the wrap for troopergate if - sm
        • Why don't you just come out and say it? - U couldn't give direct answer if UR life depend
        • O is not under investigation for voter fraud - except in your paranoid fantasy world. sm
          • My life will be cursed? What kind of freakazoid are you? - nm
          • ACORN has already admitted to fraud. - Obama used to be their lawyer, but who cares? nm
        • What an ugly thing to say. Keep spewing hate. We will see on Nov 4 - won't we? nm
          • Guess what - those people are Americans too - - Amanda
      • PS; The Alaska State Legislature is - controlled by republicans. nm
    • Yeah, Rev Wright does not matter, Rezko does not - matter, ACORN doesnt matter -denial.nm
      • Time to find another mantra. McCain has - defennded Obama's decency. sm
        • Geeze, even Obama would have "been nice" - sm
          • This post is about a coherent as JM's economic plan. - What are hou talking about? nm

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that I posted about yesterday.  I am still trying to find some info to support what Sam had said about tax breaks so the companies can come back and hire US workers.  Even though I think that him saying that or thinking that is such a piece.  When you give tax breaks to these companies they are going to keep the tax breaks and continue to use cheaper workers from other companies.  There is no real incentive, or provision to make them, hire US workers.

A quote from the below article from McCain to possibly support that thought:

"I can't tell you these jobs are ever coming back. The old jobs aren't coming back"

http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/14/mccain-red-white-and-outsourced/

I see where Perle and Rice take exception to some of his statements, but that's all I could find.  And I guess that would expected as they do have to protect themselves.  Also, it's very hard to find opinions that do not have a noticeable right or left slant.  If anyone out there has suggestions on middle-of-the-road, non-politically-sided information sites please let me know.

My point was how many people have to step forward and report that the White House manipulated the truth before it gets addressed?  How many can you dismiss as saying they had a book to sell, or they were protecting their careers, etc.?  At what point does some of what they are saying (Clark, Tenet, Powell to name a few) become believable?

An eagle-eyed reporter for the ABC affiliate in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, noticed something missing from Democratic presidential contender Sen. Barack Obama's, D-Ill., lapels.

"You don't have the American flag pin on. Is that a fashion statement?" the reporter asked, at the end of a brief interview with Obama on Wednesday. "Those have been on politicians since Sept. 12, 2001."

Catch David Wright's report tonight on "World News with Charles Gibson."

The standard political reply to that question might well have been, "My patriotism speaks for itself."

But Obama didn't say that.

Instead the Illinois senator answered the question at length, explaining that he no longer wears such a pin, at least in part, because of the Iraq War.

"You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.

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"Instead," he said, "I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism."

In Iowa, some Obama supporters applauded the candidate's fashion statement. Said Carrie Haurum of Waterloo: "He doesn't need to wear that flag on his lapel. He wears it in his heart."

But talk radio and cable news quickly pounced on the issue.

"It just shows you he's not ready for the big time," conservative Laura Ingrams opined on Fox News.

Said Sean Hannity: "Why do we wear pins? Because our country is under attack!"

The Obama campaign declined to expand on the senator's statement. Spokesman Bill Burton said, "His comments speak for themselves."

But, Obama responded to the mini controversy.

"I'm less concerned with what you're wearing on your lapel than what's in your heart," Obama said Thursday while campaigning in Independence, Iowa.

"You show your patriotism by how you treat your fellow Americans, especially those who serve. And you show your patriotism by being true to your values and ideals. And that's what we have to lead with, our values and ideals," Obama said.

Of course, if he had said that in the first place, he might have avoided any controversy.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/24/eveningnews/main4476173.shtml

 This is not the military they are talking about. This is everyday people who have skills that can be used to help in the nation-building, desk jobs, PR jobs, all that sort of thing. An over-50 overweight person most certainly could do these things, clerical, educational.  In my neighborhood a 52-year-old national guard guy got called up for MILITARY duty so why would they not expect 50-somethings to lend whatever their professional abilities might be to lend a hand in desk job sort of work. 

 Am I going???? Are you nuts???

Of course not. I have fought against our occupation of Iraq from 2002 to this present day. I did not vote for Bush. I am just saying those of you that did, and those of you who just pretend everything is okay, this is your chance to show your true colors. I mean, after all, you are with the president or you're not (so he says). 

We are not rebuilding anything in Iraq. They are on the verge of civil war. They can't put a constitution together and who in their right minds would expect them to be able to. You don't go from years of a monarchy to democracy overnight...and they are ending up with an Islamic government, sort of like...The Taliban!

Two simple questions.

What did my ______ die?

Are the Bush supporters, those who voted for him, are you going to join the civilian corps to support the cause you believe in?

Below is copied directly from the link.  It doesn't talk about punishment of any kind for those who don't wish to participate.  It DOES talk about rewards, though, for those who do wish to participate.  It offers a choice.  You don't have to participate in it if you're rich and can afford to send your kids to college, but why do you want to deny those who can't the opportunity to do so?

You're filling this board with fiction and calling it truth.  THIS is the TRUE message of the link:

"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free."

just last month, Rendel was crying the blues about not having enough $$ to keep the state running, so took all this bailout money. He is doing a double duty bailout by following what O is doing and Rendel duplicates O's programs. He should be run out on a rail and thank heavens, this is his last term.

Tea Party in Harrisburg on April 15.