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Obama admin. skeptical of Iran's election results.

Posted By: Sunflower on 2009-06-13
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/13/official-obama-administration-skeptical-irans-election-results/

U.S. officials are casting doubt over the results of Iran's election, in which the government declared President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner Saturday.

U.S. analysts find it "not credible" that challenger Mir Hossein Mousavi would have lost the balloting in his hometown or that a third candidate, Mehdi Karoubi, would have received less than 1 percent of the total vote, a senior U.S. officials told FOX News.

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khameini apparently has released a statement calling the results "final" and hailing the election as a legitimization of the regime and its elections.

Turnout appears to have reached 82 percent, an all-time high. But when asked if the turnout figures should be considered suspect, given the "not credible" counts for Mousavi and Karoubi, the official said: "Oh, it has to be [considered suspect]."

There are already reports of violence outside Mousavi's campaign headquarters, and of huge demonstrations for both sides in central Tehran, with Mousavi trying to make his way to the one in his behalf. Even if widespread violence occurs, analysts see no prospect that this event would lead to a full-scale attempt at revolution or the toppling of the regime.

The dominant view among Obama administration officials, though not uncontested, is that the regime will look so bad as a result of whipping up Iranian hopes for democracy and then squelching them that the regime may feel compelled to show some conciliatory response to President Obama's gestures of engagement.




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My best friend from NY of 43 years, who is a republican and grew up in a republican household, called me last night..and we talked politics and she sounded more like a democrat..I was so glad!  She talked about war without end, caused by Bush, corruption, by republicans, her two sons who are draft age, on and on..I have seen her growing politically since 9/11..At first she was all for the Iraqi war, then started doubting the information from Bushs WH..Im feeling pretty positive this morning..Arnold (how do you spell his last name, LOL) got defeated in his *special election*, democrats got voted in in NJ and Virginia (Virginia a red state)..The people realize the country is headed in the wrong direction and are showing this through their votes.  The one thing I dont like is the Intelligent Design theory being voted in in Kansas.  I believe in Darwins theory.
Violence flares in Iran after election.
Look at MSNBC website. Lots of protests.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31238321/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

TEHRAN, Iran - Riot police battled with protesters Saturday as officials announced that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won a landslide election victory. His opponent denounced the results as "treason".

The violence broke out as Iran's interior minister said that Ahmadinejad had gained 62.6 percent of the vote.

NBC News reported "violent clashes" between rock-throwing protesters and police in the center of Tehran.
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ALSO, some think this election as voting fraud.

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's Interior Ministry claimed hard-line incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was heading for a surprise landslide victory Saturday in the country's stormy presidential elections. But his pro-reform rival countered that he was the clear victor and accused authorities of voter fraud.

The dispute sharply boosted tensions and raised fears of a standoff after an intense monthlong race between the combative president and his main challenger, Mir Hossein Mousavi. A large turnout at the polls had boosted victory hopes for Mousavi, who is backed by a growing youth-oriented movement

Violence flares in Iran after election.
Look at MSNBC website. Lots of protests.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31238321/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

TEHRAN, Iran - Riot police battled with protesters Saturday as officials announced that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won a landslide election victory. His opponent denounced the results as "treason".

The violence broke out as Iran's interior minister said that Ahmadinejad had gained 62.6 percent of the vote.

NBC News reported "violent clashes" between rock-throwing protesters and police in the center of Tehran.
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ALSO, some think this election as voting fraud.

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's Interior Ministry claimed hard-line incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was heading for a surprise landslide victory Saturday in the country's stormy presidential elections. But his pro-reform rival countered that he was the clear victor and accused authorities of voter fraud.

The dispute sharply boosted tensions and raised fears of a standoff after an intense monthlong race between the combative president and his main challenger, Mir Hossein Mousavi. A large turnout at the polls had boosted victory hopes for Mousavi, who is backed by a growing youth-oriented movement

First proposed addition to Obama's admin....
Rahm Emanuel.  Headed the effort to re-elect Richard Daley mayor of Chicago...firmly entrenched in the Chicago political machine.  "From work earlier in his career, Emanuel considers Mayor Richard M. Daley, Senator Paul Simon and President Bill Clinton to be his professional mentors."  Could this be the shape of things to come?  Doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy so far.
Iran warns US. Israel Livini Blasts O's Iran plan

Iran warns US.


http://www.startribune.com/world/33937339.html?elr=KArks:DCiUBcy7hUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU


Israel concerned about ties with new US administration.


http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=060dd72c-c876-4e0d-b39f-c835c26b256c


And we have to worry about our own economy.  Afraid to find out what is next.


Obama to create Iran outreach post...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/19/obama-will-create-iran-outreach-position/
Heard in the news that Obama can never reason with Iran.
Maybe you all might know this, but this is news to my ears. During most of President of Iran Ahmadinejad's speeches he always states this:

0, Almighty God, all men and women are Your creatures and You have ordained their guidance and salvation. Bestow upon humanity that thirsts for justice, the perfect human being promised to all by You, and make us among his followers and among those who strive for his return and his cause.

Who is this human being promised to all?

Their new messiah. The way this new messiah appears is by getting rid of little Satan and big Satan. Iran muslims,(I was told there are 2 type of muslims) believe when messiah appears, there has to be a lot of blood shed.

WHO IS THE LITTLE SATAN AND BIG SATAN?:

Israel's role is first of all to protect itself, but also to alert others to the danger of militant Islam. They intend to go after Israel, but for them Israel is merely the "little Satan," one stepping stone on the march to world domination. For Ahmadinejad's Iran, Europe is a "middle-sized Satan" and the United States is the "great Satan."

So, how can you reason and do talks with president Iran when he thinks this way and muslims think this way? It is not all muslims that do, but this one particular type. How can you reason with Ahmadinejad when United States in his eyes is Satan? He wants us dead so this new messiah will come to them.


Heard in the news that Obama can never reason with Iran.
Maybe you all might know this, but this is news to my ears. During most of President of Iran Ahmadinejad's speeches he always states this:

0, Almighty God, all men and women are Your creatures and You have ordained their guidance and salvation. Bestow upon humanity that thirsts for justice, the perfect human being promised to all by You, and make us among his followers and among those who strive for his return and his cause.

Who is this human being promised to all?

Their new messiah. The way this new messiah appears is by getting rid of little Satan and big Satan. Iran muslims,(I was told there are 2 type of muslims) believe when messiah appears, there has to be a lot of blood shed.

WHO IS THE LITTLE SATAN AND BIG SATAN?:

Israel's role is first of all to protect itself, but also to alert others to the danger of militant Islam. They intend to go after Israel, but for them Israel is merely the "little Satan," one stepping stone on the march to world domination. For Ahmadinejad's Iran, Europe is a "middle-sized Satan" and the United States is the "great Satan."

So, how can you reason and do talks with president Iran when he thinks this way and muslims think this way? It is not all muslims that do, but this one particular type. How can you reason with Ahmadinejad when United States in his eyes is Satan? He wants us dead so this new messiah will come to them.

Didn't Bush call him a Tyrant?

Iran playing rope-a-dope with Obama...when will he learn?

So today we get these "conciliatory" advances from Ahmadinejad regarding their nuke program.  Only someone living in fairyland will fail to recognize this old ploy from Iran for exactly what it is.   Like Iran's invested $billions in their nukes and they're just going to throw it all away.


If Ahmadinejad can show that Washington is "negotiating" with him, he will shore up the position of his highly unpopular party for the elections in June.  He can say "Look - for years we've taken it to America, and now they're coming our way."


It will also undercut the democratic opposition in Iran if Washington has any truck with this deceitful regime, which has never been any more trustworthy than the most psychopathic liar that you've ever known in your life.  It will only give them more time to continue to work on their nukes, and will also undercut Israel.


Rope-a-dope is one thing, BO, but even Mohammad Ali's punch-stupid opponents weren't this easy.  Your kumbaya fantasies are incredibly naive, and frighteningly dangerous.


Israel, looks like you'll have to do the job again.


 


I am always skeptical of a post that says...
"A McCain adviser said..." He named everyone else in this article. Puhleeze. Rove and McCain have no use for each other. Have you paid any attention to the last 2 years or so? Sure he gave to McCain's campaign....he is a Republican. He probably did it holding his nose. He doesn't want Obama to win. go figure. lol. As far as those who advised Bush...they are RNC people. When Hillary went out of it, some of her staffers went over to Obama. That's politics.
I am not skeptical of the 'black man.'
I don't care what color he is. Color has nothing to do with readiness for the job or the history of his associations, how he rose through the Chicago political machine so fast...there is a lot I distrust about Obama, but none of it has to do with his color. You don't know Obama either, ignore all the red flags and defend him also...I find that kind of weird as well.

Obama is far left socialist, way too far left for me. I don't think that is the change this country needs. I think McCain and Palin are the change it needs. Until someone stops the stalemate in Washington and tries to get the two sides working together...nothing is going to fix the problems which re-surface under EVERY administration.

That being said, you should vote for who you feel is best suited for the job. That is what we all should do.
Don't they know the election is over and OBAMA WON?
HOW FUNNY!
yep, and isn't funny how after obama won the election
the dems are still as half-crazed as ever
Yes, Obama won the election. That doesn't mean he's the best man

for the job.  It just means he's good with deception.  Talk about smoke and mirrors! 


I don't know who or what Obama is and I don't know what role he will play in the years to come.  What I do know is our days are number and he will set the stage for certain prophesy to be fulfilled.  Watch and see.


Is Obama The Antichrist?  I don't know.  But the spirit of the antichrist is already in this world.


after the Obama election there are on this forum
and maybe in the whole US, only 2 sides:

pro-Obama versus anti-Obama.

And this applies to ALL fields, even to: Is Michelle pretty or fugly?
Strongly agree.....I also am very skeptical of the bill, want it slowed down.....sm
This is huge and there are no do-overs if we do not get this bill right, because it is so huge. We need to act, and I understand why the president is so eager to get things going after the past 8 or 9 years, but we must examine everything, and taken everything out that is not truly essential, necessary, and a proven stimulus....take a deep breath, study hard for another week, and GET IT AS RIGHT AS POSSIBLE! The American people need action, but not rash, irresponsible spending, we have had enough of that. I truly believe in the President, his idealism, his altruism, humanitarianism, and intelligence, but HASTE MAKES WASTE, we all have to hang in there a bit longer and really examine the bill under a microscope. Funny, I watched Meet The Press as usual this morning, and don't think I ever agreed more with the Republican side on some things...whaddya know????
Question....if Obama wins the election...
and it is determined that Iran is on the brink of a nuclear weapon, and Obama decides to go to war before they use it (pre-emptive war)...and he has said he would never take the military option off the table...if he and Congress decided to invade Iran...would you guys support that?
I am praying that Obama wins this election
I do NOT want a president/VP that condones racism, hate filled rhetoric, anti-american views.  Palin supports the Alaska Independence Group and they are anti-government and want a separate america and now Palin and McCain are basically encouraging the same thing.  Obama brings unity and diversity and I am glad that he is running.  What a breath of fresh air.  I dont care about what anyone here has to say about the rumors of this and that concerning Obama.  They have all been started and expounded upon by McCain/Palin campaign and they are lies.  And WHY is it okay to give the wealthy the breaks in this world and that is an acceptable republican concept but as soon as someone says they are going to look out for the little guy and SPREAD THE WEALTH of the ecomony evenly, they are suddenly a socialist?   Did McCain NOT approve the bailout plan that is buying STOCK into our banking system?  Did McCain NOT approve the plan for the goverment to own half of America's mortgages?  Dont talk to me about socialism McCain until you look at yourself.  And by the way, people try to associate Acorn with Obama and voter registration fraud.  What about the GOP intimidating people to change their party and telling them they HAVE to change their party in order to vote for a sexual predator law?????  That is voter fraud and McCain is the GOP. 
CNN treating Obama颼th day like Election Day

Week from Wednesday, 04/29 CNN preemptying all regular programming to relieve the Election Day electricity that ran through our country.


The network says it will compile a national report card of Obama's performance, using opinion polls and a series of viewer surveys.


The big night is April 29, a week from this Wednesday, pre-empting regular programming.


I have no doubt Obama has support...it will be a close election.
"you are one, we are many." Good lord. LOL.
Obama could win popular but still lose election - see message

It is possible.  It has happened before.  I think now especially in these final two days, when people are hearing Obama saying in a radio interview that he will bankrupt coal companies and skyrocket electricity bills, a lot of people are really wondering.  Especially the states where coal is their major industry.  They are starting to realize that a vote for the O means they'll be out of work.  Along with the birth certificate issue not being resolved, and other the other numerous questions about the O people are really wondering about him. 


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081103/ap_on_el_pr/split_decision_4


 


And that statement is ridiculous, Iran and Iraq enemies, remember the Iran-Iraq war? Iraq would jus
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The results are in....
and the Democrats have the majority.  Let's see what they do with it.
New CNN poll results
Not to shabby after his week from he!!.
yes, I am doing this, but I get 'no results'...
not with all posted links, sometimes, especially when the links contains a lot of digits...
Rasmussen poll results:

Sarah Palin has made a good first impression. Before being named as John McCain’s running mate, 67% of voters didn’t know enough about the Alaska governor to have an opinion. After her debut in Dayton and a rush of media coverage, a new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that 53% now have a favorable opinion of Palin while just 26% offer a less flattering assessment.


Palin earns positive reviews from 78% of Republicans, 26% of Democrats and 63% of unaffiliated voters. Obviously, these numbers will be subject to change as voters learn more about her in the coming weeks. Among all voters, 29% have a Very Favorable opinion of Palin while 9% hold a Very Unfavorable view.


By way of comparison, on the day he was selected as Barack Obama’s running mate, Delaware Senator Joseph Biden was viewed favorably by 43% of voters.


In the new survey, 35% of voters say the selection of Palin makes them more likely to vote for McCain while 33% say they are less likely to do so. Most Republicans say they are more likely to vote for Palin and most Democrats say the opposite. As for voters not affiliated with either major party, 37% are more likely to vote for McCain and 28% less likely to do so. Those numbers are a bit more positive than initial reaction to Biden.


After McCain's announcement, Clinton issued a statement saying, "We should all be proud of Governor Sarah Palin's historic nomination, and I congratulate her and Senator McCain. While their policies would take America in the wrong direction, Governor Palin will add an important new voice to the debate." Palin is now viewed favorably by 48% of women. That figure includes 80% of Republican women, 23% of Democratic women, and 61% of women not affiliated with either major party.


Polls are what they are and change like people change socks.  However, these are good preliminary numbers.  Time will tell how it all plays out. 


Read these poll results
Obama stretches poll lead as Mickey Mouse enters fray

By Leonard Doyle in Washington
Thursday, 16 October 2008

AP

Barack Obama has a 14 per cent lead over John McCain in a New York Times/CBS poll

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Barack Obama has opened a dramatic 14-point lead over John McCain in a new opinion poll, amid evidence that the McCain camp's character attacks are doing more to harm the Republican senator than his opponent.


A New York Times/CBS poll published yesterday shows that if the election was held now, 53 per cent of voters surveyed would vote for Obama compared to 39 per cent for McCain.

The poll also found that Republican attempts to smear Mr Obama by association with William Ayers, a 1960s radical, have hurt Mr McCain more than his rival. Voters also said they were turned off voting Republican by the choice of Governor Sarah Palin as the vice-presidential running mate.

Six out of 10 voters criticised John McCain for spending more time denouncing his opponent than explaining how he intended to lead the US at a time of unprecedented economic turmoil. The poll showed that anxiety about the economy and deep mistrust of George Bush have created a hostile environment for Mr McCain's campaign. Faced with an avalanche of bad news, the McCain campaign is seeking to capitalise on a voter scandal, which they say is an attempt to rig the 2008 vote. Democrats have a long "vote early, vote often" legacy to live down and the latest scandal has played into the hands of conservatives.

Thousands of fraudulent voter registrations were allegedly collected by a charitable organisation, Acorn, which helps people register for elections. The lists include such names as Batman, Mickey Mouse and the Dallas Cowboys football team.

There are no known examples of illegalities in early voting, but Acorn has become a rallying call for Republicans who are preparing for legal challenges to the election. They have smeared Senator Obama by association, because like Acorn, he was once a community organiser. Sarah Palin used the Acorn scandal to raise funds from Republicans, saying in an email: "We can't allow leftist groups like Acorn to steal the election."

The organisation admitted about3 per cent of the 1.3 million new voters who were enrolled by its 13,000 canvassers may be fraudulent. A spokesman, Steve Kest, said some canvassers had cheated but that the organisation has strict internal controls. "The incidence of voters registering and voting under false names is minimal," he said.

Mr Obama has distanced his campaign from Acorn, saying that fears of voter fraud in the 4 November election are wide of the mark. Canvassers "just went to the phone book or made up names and submitted false registrations to get paid," he told reporters.

Republican commentators were quick to denounce the New York Times/CBS poll yesterday, describing it as a predictably skewed view from two of the country's most liberal news organisations. But another poll, by SurveyUSA in five states where early voting is under way, reveals that Senator Obama leads by an average of 23 points among early voters in Iowa, New Mexico, Ohio, Georgia, and North Carolina.

The five states went to George Bush by an average of 6.5 points in 2004.


Greed may have disasterous results....sm
DC bars are going to stay open 24 hours a day for 4 days during the inauguration.  I can see trouble on the way...........

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/05/police-union-fears-inaugural-chaos/

OTOH, maybe they can use the tax dollars to help offset the Big 3 bailout. 
He knows DC, knows how to get results, Congress, Senate,
Yeah. Sounds like a real scary threat. Do qualified, highly skilled and immensely experienced people such as this always intimidate you so?
Don't congratulate THIS democrat ... I'm sickened by these results! (nm)
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This admin. doesn't ALLOW itself to be put on trial.
What a copout! - it's only accusations! And that's all it's ever likely to be because this administration with the help of its corrupt and partisan congressional majority simply refuses to allow any independent inquiry into its crooked dealings. Let's not pretend that we actually have a balance of power in the federal govt. sufficient to allow normal due process to occur. So go on with your just accusations simpering - try these crimes in an international court and see how long they stay that way.
You have 3 jobs because the former admin. rewards
driving MT wages down. If US MT's were the company's first choice of employees, and not their last, maybe you & the rest of us would have one, regular 40-hour a week job with health insurance and paid vacations once again. Don't you miss having a day off once in a while? Being able to afford fresh bread instead of day-old? And believing that your work actually made a difference? 'Cause it sure doesn't now. That's why you're working 3 jobs. Because you have to. Not because MT is such an enjoyable and rewarding profession that you just cant get enough of it.
Wow! I read the results, but didn't know the nay sayers were repugs...sm
I mean repubs. Interesting.
On the contrary, it indicts the Bush admin...
...just as much as their refusal to listen to warnings from the outgoing Clinton administration about Al Qaeda, and just as much as Bush's initial refusal to appoint a 9/11 commission at all. It's totally consistent with the belief that they have tried to block any serious investigation into the events of 9/11 (and silence anyone who could shed some light on it). Business as usual for them! I'm glad that crappy hand-picked group of power suckups have all been caught with their pants down. If the MSM is ignoring the story at all it's not because it puts Clinton (you know, the one who actually caught and jailed real terrorists who were responsible for attacks right here in the US)in a bad light - if a story gets ignored these days it's because it has the potential to shame Bush further. If that's possible.
Admin...we have someone codoning terror on this board


Absolutely! If you want 8 more years of the Bush Admin! nm
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You may notify admin of their email address,
and that can be blocked as well. Usually there is a link in the email that says report as spam, which will direct you to admin@mtstars.com


The people in the Bush admin that authorized
We must remedy this. If the next administration does not at least investigate here, they too are complicit.
I doubt Colin Powell would ever speak out against this admin.
It's not in his nature to be a whistle blower.

I will say though I have ALWAYS admired him, before he joined the Bush admin. I had great respect for him; in fact, when I learned that he was a republican I was surprised. I felt we had a lot in common politically. While I am a democrat, I consider myself an independent thinker and do not always vote a straight democratic ticket.

I still had respect for him though as sec of state in Bush's admin. It did turn my stomach though when he made the case for this war, I felt he was either being lied to and was falling for it or felt he had to support it because of his political affiliation.

If you've ever heard him speak publically, he's very down to earth and nonpolitical in his nature. Much to be admired still in this man.
you must be referring to the previous admin. - GW didn't like to read much......
he did miss that memo about an impending attack on our country using our own private airlines..........Boy wonder? Must be referring to his super hero underwear.
We lost our freedom with the last admin. - wire tapping, Patriot Act, etc....nm
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A Republican response to all that oppose Bush and admin....Dems are a bunch of Nuts...

but read Lurker and Imagine! Just IMAGINE!


Iran....
But, governments do speak for their people in diplomatic circles and at the United Nations, regional conferences with other nations where they live, etc.

It is not possible for other countries to differentiate between the people of Iran and the government leaders. They deal with the leaders.

You know, we were fed a line in this country as far as back the first George Bush administration back in 1988-1992 that the people of Iraq did not support Hussein and that he would be overthrown by internal forces. That did not happen. We went in there 3 years ago to free the Iraqi people and it is now a huge mess that has cost thousands of lives, mostly Iraqi, and cost an unbelievable amount of money. Now Iran is making more noise. They hated the Shah because of his close ties to the West, so they put in a lunatic Islamic cleric and turned the country into a religious state. Islam teaches brotherhood and tolerance, so why are the leaders of this religious state so full of hate and spite?

Frankly, I think we should completely withdraw from the Middle East, including Israel. We should deport all Middle Easterners from this this country and from our American territories. We should quit buying your oil and anything else you produce. Leave us alone and we'll return the favor.

I think it is apparent that democracy is not possible in Arab Islamic countries. It works in other Muslim countries, like Turkey and some other places, but obviously the Middle East is not evolved enough to be able to tolerate other people's viewpoints and value systems. Until that happens, there can be no democracy.
Iran

 • AP photographer: Gunmen fire on Iran protesters, killing one


 


I hope the link works!  If not,  sorry!


Iran

Looks like they're breaking out the tear gas and water cannons, along with the bullets.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/20/iran.election/index.html


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" In Washington, President Barack Obama urged an end to the crackdown. “We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people,” he said in an e-mailed statement. "


Till now the verbal support of Obama suffice to give the protesters enough moral support to continue with their just protests.  Khatami is detaining his own people and their relatives!


 


Iran is CLEARLY a threat and that was what he
was conveying.  Making a statement about AVOIDING World War III is not irresponsible and I didn't hear him assume WWIII would evolve out of Iran specifically.  ANY country with nuclear weapons could spawn WWIII. 
FYI, even though born in Iran, she is....sm
a natural-born American citizen.
why to worry about Iran
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89476
Acorn is over in Iran too?

LMAO.


situation in Iran

Iranian opposition leader calls for rally Thursday