Only if I felt that all available options had been considered and rejected...sm
Posted By: oldtimer on 2008-09-04
In Reply to: Question....if Obama wins the election... - sam
How long has the US had nuclear weapons? More than 60 years. Iran, if they have any capability, it is very limited. Any serious threat or attack by them would only result in their ultimate annihilation. However extremist they may be, they know that.
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That needs to be rejected. (sm)
 Yet more christians running a political campaign. I really wish we could get religion out of politics and keep it there.
Ad rejected by NBC during superbowl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2CaBR3z85c
Coretta King Rejected War (period).
We must remember it was Coretta's funeral, so sentiments were made in HER honor, NOT SUGAR COATED FOR THE BUSHES.
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President Bush may have tried to claim a little bit of the legacy of Coretta Scott King with a warm and generous reference to her at the opening of his State of the Union address this week, but it should be remembered that King was a foe of this president and a frequent critic of his abuses of power.
On the eve of the invasion of Iraq in 2003, King celebrated the anniversary of the birth of her late husband, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., by recalling that the slain civil rights leader had been outspoken in his opposition to unnecessary and unwise wars.
We commemorate Martin Luther King Jr. as a great champion of peace who warned us that war was a poor chisel for carving out a peaceful tomorrow. We must pursue peaceful ends through peaceful means. Martin said, 'True peace is not just the absence of tension, it is the presence of justice,' Coretta King told a crowd that had gathered at Atlanta's Ebenezer Baptist Church. She continued, May his challenge and his example guide and inspire us to seek peaceful alternatives to a war with Iraq and military conflict in the Middle East.
Coretta King continued to speak out against the Bush administration's policy of pre-emptive war-making, and she always make it clear that she disagreed passionately with this president.
Coretta Scott King ponders a reporter's question in front of a painting of her late husband, civil-rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr., in this Jan. 14, 2003 file photo from Atlanta.
When Bush showed up to lay a wreath at the Rev. King's grave in January 2004, Coretta King was polite but pointed in her remarks. Before greeting Bush, she said at another event at Ebenezer Baptist that she sided with those who opposed the war rather than supported it, and she lamented the fact that those people are not in charge of making the policies of their nations. If they were, she added, I think we would have more peace and more justice.
There will be many celebrations of Coretta Scott King's brave and inspiring life, as well as her rich legacy of activism.
But none will be so appropriate as those that recall her absolute opposition to this president's illegal and immoral war-making.
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Given the two options, I definitely
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There are options out there....(sm)
but a lot of it depends on where you live. I live in TN. TN had the grand idea that they didn't want the govt controling medicaid here, so TN just took the funds and set up their own program. Since that time they've been dropping people like hot cakes simply because of mismanagement of funds by the state, and at this point they are just about bankrupt. So, at this point if you live here you can't get regular medicaid, and about half of the population who would normally qualify for it can't get TennCare coverage either. There are some other programs out there, but not many, and a lot of people don't have the resources to find them.
Nobody is forcing her or you to use those options -
That is what I don't understand. Why do you feel "forced" in any way because that option is available.
Cigarettes kill millions of people - do you feel like they are forced on you?
Alcohol kills millions of people in one way or another - do you complain that that is forced on you?
Drugs kill millions of people - do you feel that is forced on you?
You have the choice of educating your daughter and letting her know that you do not believe that is an option in your lives - nobody is forcing you to make that choice... it is just like the other things I mentioned above, they are available in this world, but they are not options for me and my family and they are not forced on me because they exist.
Both options stink, but if I have to vote
I'd vote a)---the lesser of two evils.
Distressed Homeowners Get New Options
President Barack Obama's plan to aid troubled homeowners, set to be unveiled Wednesday, will include efforts to cut monthly mortgage payments, allow more borrowers to refinance their loans and give bankruptcy judges greater power to modify mortgages, according to people familiar with the proposal.
$50,000,000,000.00 Taxpayer funds to modify mortgages
303,824,640.00 US Citizens
$164.57 Cost per citizen
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123491170791203563.html
You have other options and yelling wont do any good
I have been around longer than most and frankly, my dear, I could care less about what one "perceives" the government to be doing with "our" money. We have funded so much crap in these states, 1 more does not faze me in the least. Get off your soap box, get back down to earth, better start thinking about how you (or you and your family) are going to raise that $10,000 apiece for the buyout when your last president left. If it does not affect me and my immediate family, I could care less.
Have you ever considered that..(sm)
dems would love to see Rush running for pres or become a serious voice in the pub party? The farther right the pubs go, the better the vote for dems. There is no way that Rush doctrine would be able to win an election, so why not see if we can goad him into trying. Looks like he's going for it -- check mate....LOL
So is this considered a bad thing?
Seriously, have you ever considered an antipsychotic?
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CNN is considered reputable right?
This is one I found from CNN with Barack's half brother, George. I respect the fact that George says he isn't expecting a handout from his brother. A lot of Americans can learn from him!
Still, I can't help but wonder why Obama wouldn't at least make an effort to help his village. If he wasn't talking so much about "world changing" and what not I wouldn't ask, but since he is, shouldn't he start with his family? It would sadden me greatly to see even a half brother or sister living like that.
This is the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV5sZtQvGKs
Not trying to smear, just asking a legitimate question.
Shouldn't you have considered all that BEFORE you
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As an IC, I'm considered a small business, so
but not really sure which will benefit me the most. ICs must all think like small businesses and consider taxes based on that, not as individual taxpayers.
I actually don't agree with either one on all tax issues, so I'm still on the fence. I doubt Barack will be able to enact and MAINTAIN the tax cuts he has promised. I agree with giving seniors a break on taxes when they are on a limited budget, for example, but Barack has said seniors making less than $50K. That means if they make $49K (which is more than I make, BTW), they don't have to pay ANY taxes?? Lower that amount a tad and I might see it as reasonable, but a senior making more than me, receiving senior discounts, Medicare, etc., and then not having to pay taxes. Seems a little off balance somehow.
And simplifying tax preparation isn't one of my top priorities, I have TurboTax for that. A lot of his other tax proposals pretty much mirror McCain's so I don't see much difference there, like the R&D, small biz, etc. I like his ideas on taxes, but IMO, his website is full of promises that he will have a VERY hard time fulfilling.
I like that Barack addresses credit card practices. I feel this is a BIG problem. Good creditworthy people are getting screwed by shady practices of credit card companies left and right. I don't see where McCain has addressed this.
I like McCain's summer gas tax holiday, lowering gas prices in the summer, since historically, gas prices always climb through summer especially around the holidays. I also like his HOME plan, as this would make the people truly affected by subprime loans eligible to trade their mortgage. But probably what I like most is McCain's view on healthcare - restoring control to the PATIENTS. I know people that live in countries with Government provided healthcare, and they do not have any more control over that than any of us with paid insurance policies do. I feel the only way to change this issue is to crack down on the insurance companies, force their hands to make premiums more affordable, make them honor their premium terms, limit their restrictions on patients and pre-existing conditions, and do not allow them to tell patients what procedures they can and can't have and what doctors they can and can't see.
I am independent and considered Obama, but
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I seriously considered voting for Bob Barr
I don't want to waste my vote though and there is no way that Bob Barr can win. So why take votes away from McCain? My goal this election is to keep Obama out of office.
No, I haven't considered it, and the people who own dailykos...
have owned up to it, apparently, because of the firestorm it caused. It is exactly the kind of stuff dailykos engages in on a daily basis.
child support is not considered a garnishment -
He darn well makes enough to pay her what he owes her and even if they won't hold it out of his check, then he is still responsible for paying it and should be sending the difference.
Child support is not like a regular garnishment - it is a court order, not just something the military can decide whether they want to do or not. What they ordered is not an unreasonable amount.
My husband's child support sure comes out of his check even though it is 42% of his pay since he is on disability now because of an on the job injury. When he went to court because he was getting behind, the judge told him she did not care if he was working or not, that he better come up with 100% of the money every week or go to jail - that her order was her order; so out of a $300 weekly check, the mom gets $124.13 a week.
My daughter's ex is sitting up there making more babies (at last count, 3 more to 3 different moms), has already paid for another abortion that we know about, and driving new cars and living in a very nice apartment complex, while my daughter cannot clothe her children without help, and guess what, he is good friends with the commander who told my daughter if she needed child support of more than $400 a month then she did not need her children and needed to give them to their dad (who by the way has only seen the 1 year old daughter 1 time in her life)...
The thing is, in the state of Georgia, he is getting further and further behind and so hopefully the next step is to pull his security clearance so that he loses the job in the Navy he wants, then when he is discharged in April and moves back to Georgia, they are going to pull his driver's license and also start holding his federal income taxes this year.
Our Founding Fathers were considered terrorists. sm
God forbid, there are people out there who want to defend our Constitution. Americans should be ashamed of themselves for letting things go this far. Real change needs to come from us. It should alarm people. Stalin, Mao, and Hitler used the same tactics to stifle dissent. People who support the Independent Party, Christians, and pro lifers are also on it. DHS distributed that memo to 70 or 80 different fusion centers throughout the US. Many thanks are due the concerned and honest police officer who leaked the one that went to Missouri.
Why is fairness in taxation considered a handout? This isn't welfare... it's paying the right
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Bush considered taking Obama's approach last summer
efforts to forge peace in Israel/Palestine.
Bush floated the idea of re-establishing a diplomatic US interests section in Tehran last summer which for the time being has been shelved.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081004/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iran_no_deal
Here's the no-brainer rule-of-thumb on this topic. If you wwant war, you don't negotiate with opponents. If you want peace, you sit down aat the table.
When evaluating the credibility of this ad, as yourself that basic question..."Who stands to benefit the most" by taking this position? As they have demonstrated over the past 60 years, it is in Zionist's best interest to perpetuate war in their region. They have been able to enrich their nation immensely with US taxpayer dollars and enjoy an uncontested nuclear bully status in the region as the US's most favorite global puppet. The notion that the US would promote peace or stability in the region would diminish their status exponentially and are the last nation on earth that would like to see the US play the disarmament card.
I felt that way too,
which was why I registered as a Libertarian. Socially progressive & fiscally conservative describes me well, or as I like to say (tongue in cheek but not entirely), Do whatever you like, just don't make me pay for it.
But I went to the Libertarian website, not that a Libertarian has a real chance of competing in any election, but what the hay. That guy Barr seemed way too extreme for me, I couldn't relate at all. In the end I might change my affiliation if it feels really important to vote for someone in a primary, but it works better for me to just find the individual with the greatest amount of overlap with my beliefs & go with it. In this case it's Obama. & I have to say, I'm way more scared of Palin than I am of McCain. I find her stupidity & vulgarity absolutely terrifying. So I guess you could say I voted for Vice President this time around. I don't try to vote along party lines any more.
Maybe the DNC felt they, like anyone else, could
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I almost felt sorry for him
when I quit laughing.
I felt the same way at first....
I am generally a Republican, but everyone knew from the start, this would be the year for a Democrat. I thought too a change would be good. And in the beginning, I was impressed with Obama. But too soon, that impression soured. He contradicted himself too often and changed his message to suit the audience until the deceit became obvious. His support, judging by the poll numbers was starting to wane as people started to realize what he was, or at least that we had no idea who he really was.
This year should have been a shoo-in for a Democrat. But it wasn't. And not because he was black since as many people voted FOR him for that reason as against him, but because the Democratic candidate was such a poor choice.
That was exactly how I felt, too, especially
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Now you know how WE felt for
You learn to suck it up. It didn't matter that we didn't want Bush taking our country into a trumped up war, didn't want his stimulus package which had absolutely NO oversight or accountability. Bush never cared what the American people wanted, yet he got his way.
You will just have to do what we did for 8 years. Take it or move out of the country. Those are basically your only 2 choices.
Apparently Barr, Ron Paul, & Baldwin supporters are considered terrorists. sm
A Missouri State Policeman leaked this information last week. This should raise some alarm bells. Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr are supposed to be preparing statements about it.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/mar/14/fusion-center-data-draws-fire-over-assertions/
I meant I felt like it was an act....
I believe it was theatrics. The Hollywood reference was meant to say they would be proud of the acting job...nothing to do with all of Hollywood being amoral, though I believe a good portion of it is. But that could be said for other areas as well. I am also aware of staunch conservatives in Hollywood and I think God for them.
I felt dumb because
I had to look up officiousness. But then I found this:
"Officiousness is used about 3 times out of a sample of 100 million words spoken or written in English" and then I did not feel so dumb. LOL
It is perfect though.
It did not suggest to you that she felt...
"separation to avoid assimilation" was a good thing? That is segregation, and when practiced by whites against blacks, was viewed as racist. And it does not support what her husband said he is about: "There is no black america, there is no white america, there is only america." That thesis is the polar opposite of that line of thought...and brings to mind her comment about "we have a hole in our soul" talking about America.
Sorry...I believe she has an agenda shared by her husband and they want the white house as a bully pulpit to further their personal agenda. Still, that is only a secondary concern. My first concern is he is a far left radical socialist and wants this country to go the way of Cuba (only he thinks it will work here. Didn't in Cuba, didn't in Venezuela...hasn't anywhere it has been tried). I strongly disagree and will not vote for someone who believes that and fully intends to put it into practice.
I have felt in the past...
that I was being attacked for saying something that was never really meant to be offensive. I feel that we should all be able to act like adults and refrain from personally attacking anyone. I just thought that the response was unnecessarily nasty. I hope you have a great evening! I hope the other person does, as well.
I felt his pain.
I really expected him to endorse McCain. My respect for him just grew because he had the guts to stand up against his own party for what he considers the good of the country. I really feel there was more to his resignation from the Bush cabinet than meets the eye AND I cannot abide Condalesa (sp?) Rice!!!!!
That's how I felt when I saw the helicopter sm
The announcer was saying this is usually the most moving moment when the departing president blah blah and I was thinking GET IT OUT OF HERE ALREADY!!!!!
Maybe you should ask Dixie Dew what it felt like to be accused by you
of being an alcoholic (and there wasn't even a STORY written about her). You do this kind of thing to posters on this board on a daily basis. And you're doing it again to GT. She has said point blank that she DOESN'T wish that on him, but that doesn't coincide with your lying attack against her so once again the truth doesn't count.
That's how I felt about her until I read about her history
Read about her on Wikipedia. I think that site is not for or against someone they just state what a person has done. I was a very very hard "Obama all the way supporter and defend him to the end". I'm not a republican in any way nor am I a democrat. I agree with some issues and disagree with others but that's on both sides.
This is what I was thinking and asking myself these questions. There is no doubt I cannot stand McCain. I think he is one of the worst choices ever and just a rotten person. Whether people want to believe it or not he is Bush continued.
However...I didn't know who she was so I read about her and what she stands for. She is not the usual "republican". She has worked for people and she does'nt (and won't) put up with any BS. She has done a lot for the state of Alaska and the people there. I read (don't know exact words to use) but I heard she gave every Alaska citizen I think it was $1200 and she took it out of the profits of the oil companies. She was a city council member for 4 years, then a mayor for 6 years, Chairperson for the Alaska Oil & Gas Conservation Commission for a year, and Governor of Alaska for 2 years. I also went to Wikipedia to read about Obama because I wanted to prove all those who say he doesn't have experience wrong. What I found is he was a member of the Illinos Senate for 7 years and has been a senator from Illinois for 3 years.
So she has 11 years experience and he has 10. Pretty close. One can argue that one job over the other gives you more experience (or not). To me it's not how many years each has been doing their job, it's been what have they accomplished doing their job.
No, Palin doesn't have any "Washington DC" experience but that is exactly what I like about her. I also like that she is pro-environment. She grew up in a family like mine (not wealthy) and like Barack she has worked for what she has.
She is really worth the time researching her. At first I was shocked on the pick, but I had to put the anger aside and look at her from a non-committed approach.
McCain - yes I can't stand him one iota. I can't trust him as far as I can throw him. I think he is as slimy as all the other Bush, Cheney, Rove and all the other "bad" republicans in DC. I cringe thinking about what it would be like if he wins. It literally makes me nautious. But if it does happen I have a mute button and don't have to listen to him or watch him. But Sarah Palin I like her a lot. I think she is a woman of principal and I do believe whe will be able to step in as president.
Also you cannot argue that she has no experience because neither did Bill Clinton and everyone says he was a good president (even thought I beg to differ).
Not saying I don't like Barack. I think he's okay. I do like Biden. I think he's a man of principal and a wealth of knowledge. But right now I think what Washington needs is someone who is not "Washington". This country needs a fresh face and someone who is not afraid to stand up for what is right for Americans and I believe she will. I'm tired of being "mowed over" by our government. Tired of big business and CEOs and oil companies becoming wealthier while the rest of us continue to become poorer.
Also who do you think was out meeting with "the people" who really run our country. Barack and Hillary. This is the group (name unmentioned) that hold secret meetings every year where no reporter is allowed near the facility and they have posted guards outside. Nobody is allowed in unless your in the group (which Obama and Hillary are and they tried to hide it) and they sit around and determine the fate of what will happen. You should ask yourself why didn't they want Americans to know they were at this meeting. If Obama gets in sure his ideas are great and inspiring, but he is still being controlled by others. Palin is not and not afraid to say "no".
Here's another thing I read about her. Not only are Pilosi and other democrats worried, but the best thing is Hillary has seen her dreams of ever becoming "First Woman President" go down the drain - which I am utterly and ecstatically thrilled about, but what is even better that helped cinch it for me. Two things... first JM was "told" to pick her. This was not his choice no matter what you want to believe. He was getting ready to announce Lieberman was his running mate, but he was told she was going to be the VP choice. That right there tells me that JM will not be making any serious decisions. The people who run him make the decisions and tell him what he will do. That is very important to me because I don't trust his decisions. But second and this is equally as important... Bush and Cheney are not happy she was picked. Hence we will finally have someone in there who is not a Neocon.
All I say is its going to be a very interesting rest of the campaign. I'm really interested to hear all the debates. I can't tell you whether I have a strong feeling that one will win over the other, so it will be interesting.
I've always felt like a misfit
What is generation x? I'll have to look it up. We always called it generation excrement. HA HA HA - ooh and now I find I'm one of them. Too funny.
I've felt a few of those flames...LOL..nm
I felt this way about Republicans under Bush. sm
I am a small government conservative and liberty lover and it knocked me out of that paradigm. Other than Ron Paul, I will not be voting for anymore Republicans or Democrats. The whole system has been taken over by socialists, Dem and Republican. They are going to put our children, grandchildren, and generations after us in debt.
The most insane piece of pork in that bill is Nancy Pelosi's 35 million dollar mouse.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/12/earmark-less-bill-gives-pelosis-mouse-cookie/
Well, I have never felt more unsafe in my country
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Wonder how many who worked at the WTC felt safe on 9/10/01?
I'd bet about 100%. Doesn't mean much, does it? In fact, the majority are often wrong when it comes to things like this.
Israel felt pulling out of Gaza was okay. sm
Oh, okay, that explains all those wailing Jews being forcefully removed from their homes of 30 plus years. Glad you cleared that up. Your statement is ridiculous. But then, they all are. Gosh, your lying comment is getting really old. Does anyone else think so?
I didn't know that Lurker told you how she felt.
In that case, I apologize.
And regarding looking in my own back yard, with all due respect to you and the board and your rules, I thought this WAS my back yard. Out of respect for you and your rules, I have not posted on the Conservative Board.
All I'm asking is that, unlike me, THEY respect your rules.
Dems have already felt that way for the past 8 years...
Get over youselves. It's not fatal.
Not honoring her son by wanting answers, and speaking what she knows he felt.sm
He joined the army in 2002 before the Iraqi war began, so it's plenty possible he didn't agree with the Iraqi war.
No logical thinking person would have thought that Bush would focus his attention after 9-11 on Iraq.
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